Super Mario Maker 2

This looks like a skip to me but hey I don't have any great expectations to begin with.
 
Ray Trace said:
yeah just because it was expected doesn't make it any less shitty
Click to expand...

Shitty? Their online is one of the best deals any company has ever given for online. The fact that it's not required to play other levels online is downright fucking generous.
 
MetaWeegee said:
I expected NSO to be forced for level creators, but doing it for people trying to download levels too? That's just *bleep*ed up.

(And judging from how they phrased it, Luigi, Toad and Toadette might only be usable in single player. Please tell me I'm just paranoid.)
Click to expand...

nso is a shit service in general so most things associated with it are going to turn out badly

this game feeling the results of this "feed us money to access features that were once free" is one of the reasons it wasn't acceptable and will never be acceptable

Mcmadness said:
*bleep*ty? Their online is one of the best deals any company has ever given for online. The fact that it's not required to play other levels online is downright *bleep*ing generous.
Click to expand...

if by best you mean by "least shit" then sure thing
 
Ray Trace said:
MetaWeegee said:
I expected NSO to be forced for level creators, but doing it for people trying to download levels too? That's just *bleep*ed up.

(And judging from how they phrased it, Luigi, Toad and Toadette might only be usable in single player. Please tell me I'm just paranoid.)
Click to expand...

nso is a shit service in general so most things associated with it are going to turn out badly

this game feeling the results of this "feed us money to access features that were once free" is one of the reasons it wasn't acceptable and will never be acceptable

Mcmadness said:
*bleep*ty? Their online is one of the best deals any company has ever given for online. The fact that it's not required to play other levels online is downright *bleep*ing generous.
Click to expand...

if by best you mean by "least shit" then sure thing
Click to expand...

Look servers don't grow on trees. I can hardly blame them for wanting a little money with the upkeep. I wish we lived in some money free society where everybody wanted for nothing but we don't.

$10 a YEAR (which is the price of a combo at a fast food joint where I live) is so minor that unless you are dirt poor (and if you are that poor you shouldn't be buying video games anyway) then it really is a non issue.

And the only reason it was even free at first to begin with, is because it was an extended free trial. What they gave was MORE than acceptable.
 
So this game is looking to be so much better than the first, as it should be. As for playable characters, I'm fine with what we have. I would like to see more characters down the line though. Apparently there's no Yellow Toad, unless I missed something.

And about Nintendo's online service, I'll just say that the low cost compared to the competition is the best thing/only good thing about Nintendo's online service.
 
i've seen this trope "they can't afford the costs" be talked over about a million times in this industry, (and it is especially egregious when it is concerning huge megacorporations such as nintendo) and it isn't any less bad here. first of all, the nintendo ds, wii, and wii u had free online for many years, both ds and wii had astronomically-sized player bases that the service was able to handle just fine. maybe it was a bit *bleep* because it relied on poor netcode, but the nintendo switch's online netcode isn't much better than the free online anyway.

second of all, there are no servers. there are cloud servers that do store content for levels, but everything else is p2p. paid online did little, if jack all, to fix server issues found in multitudes of games, and it also did nothing to stop hackers running rampant in say splatoon 2.

and third of all, cheap price is still for a cheap *bleep*ty service where that 20 dollars can be used to satiate your appetite for the day or a purchase of a far better game title on the indie market or heavily discounted games or go towards buying a vpn or towards buying anti-malware or whatever. it's still a bad deal for what used to be a free service, and no, twisting it to mean "extensive trial" doesn't change the fact that it was once free and nintendo still chugged along perfectly fine. 20 dollars is also testing the waters to see what they can get away with. fuck that's why companies started with small microtransactions first, then to gameplay microtransactions, and then finally to loot boxes before they were struck down. 20 dollars is a tactic for a foot-in-door so that it becomes more accepted and more the norm and becomes worse over time. which is why sony and microsoft can get away with charging premium online "services".

if a huge games company like nintendo has intentions of developing an online centric game that it can't afford to maintain servers from purchase of their game sales (and other merchandise tie-ins and whatnot) without resorting to nickel and diming their consumers such as charging for a sloppy service that used to be free as well as being without extra cost pc and multiple hugely popular online games, they should not be in business. period.
 
The direct was mostly “meh” for me. I’m still not getting this game because I was disappointed with the first one, but many things I wanted revealed, such as Mystery Mushrooms coming back weren’t even shown. Toadette being playable isn’t an excuse for me to get this game for no other good reason. If I disliked it the first time, I’ll probably dislike it the second time too. No regrets!
 
MetaWeegee said:
(And judging from how they phrased it, Luigi, Toad and Toadette might only be usable in single player. Please tell me I'm just paranoid.)
Click to expand...

I thought they said that you can only use them in online multiplayer? Where'd you get that from?

Also about the online thing. I only have one sentence to address that with:
I'm disappointed but not surprised.