Unpopular opinions about the Mario series

Vivian

Shadow Siren
I would say liking Super Paper Mario more than TTYD would have been very controversial in the past but now not so much.
I'd say that's still very much an unpopular opinion, though it's one I also hold (I love both of them so much that i don't like to pit them against each other though, both stand as my ideal direction for the Paper Mario series story-wise than anything that came after Super)

I always play solo because none of my friends are into MP.
I always play solo because i don't have any IRL friends tbh

Despite what my Switch would erroneously tell you, I've not played much of Super Mario Party at all for that reason.
 

YoshiFlutterJump

Shine Sprite
Poll Committee
Honestly, these days, disliking SPM seems to be the unpopular opinion. And while I don't hold that opinion to the extreme, I do consider it to be the weakest Paper Mario and also the most overrated game in the entire franchise.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Paper Mario 1 and 2 as much as anyone. Color Splash seemed to be a love-it-or-hate-it game for the Paper Mario fanbase, but I am very much on the love-it side and consider it to be as great as the first two. Even Sticker Star, which is probably the most universally hated Mario game there is, is one I feel to be criminally underrated even if it wasn't as great as the first two.

But SPM is just...I can't get behind it. The gameplay was unique and a nice change of pace at first, but eventually it just became monotonous and repetitive. The story was very bland with zero charm or humor, and I can't understand the praise it gets. The characters and setting feel as if the devs forgot they were creating a Mario game. I feel it's a decent game on its own merits, but I also feel it falls short of its predecessors...and its successors.
 

Vivian

Shadow Siren
I don't think they forgot they were making a Mario game, they just opened their minds to explore new territory past the conventions of the main Mario games, TTYD already did that to an extent, SPM just took it further. I loved taking Mario & co. across the entire universe and dimensions to stop all worlds from being literally erased, stakes like that just really excite me. I also can't understand how you could think the story was bland or has zero charm? The villains are like a big family together and it's cool to see them bicker amongst themselves in the intermissions, there's lines like "I love going on message boards and complaining about games I've never played" and they wrote unique lines for all 100 Sammer Guys--- granted the gameplay there is indeed monotonous but the writing is great. And the first visit to Chapter 6 is one of the best subversions of expectations ever, putting to rest any assumption that the Void was only a background detail to drive the plot. Nope, here you get to see the threat first-hand and then go back in to explore the wasteland it created!

I've never held the Paper Mario series to be faithful to the main series. It was pretty faithful in the first game, but it still had plenty of new characters and charm. Starting with TTYD I believe Paper Mario started to become a more serious take on Mario adventures, not without humor of course, but the stakes were getting higher, and you were moving away from the standard Mario-vs-Bowser plot you see in every mainline game. SPM was the next logical step story-wise, now I could see how you might be turned off by the character designs but in terms of the writing and story, I think it was a much better Paper Mario experience than the retread of old, worn ground SS and CS were. Granted CS was a step in the right direction but I personally don't believe the Paper Mario I loved will fully return until they do away with the "no new characters, keep it extremely close to the main series (which are a different genre and don't rely as much on story), this should be more of a cute little romp than a grand epic adventure" mentality.

And with M&L possibly gone, this might be the only hope the Mario RPGs I loved so much to keep going, I sure hope we're not looking at a future where all Mario RPGs have the same regular character cast and a generic story.

Also with how torn opinions on SPM are, I think both liking and disliking it count as unpopular.
 

MiracleDinner

Fantastic Flower
Wow I was going to PM YFJ to defend Super Paper Mario but looks like someone beat me to it.
@Vivian I believe you are the same person as Fawfulthegreat64/greatdimentio? If so I more or less agree with your "Super Paper Mario Video review" (Story 10/10, Gameplay 8/10, Presentation 9/10, Overall 9/10).
 

Vivian

Shadow Siren
Yes that's me! But lmao please don't remind me of that terrible video, it's a pretty shoddy excuse for a "review" lol. I don't believe I even acknowledged any flaws with the game which it does have, I just love the rest of it too much to care :p
 

Nossie

Dinosaur Land's greatest grape treader.
I've never held the Paper Mario series to be faithful to the main series. It was pretty faithful in the first game, but it still had plenty of new characters and charm. Starting with TTYD I believe Paper Mario started to become a more serious take on Mario adventures, not without humor of course, but the stakes were getting higher, and you were moving away from the standard Mario-vs-Bowser plot you see in every mainline game. SPM was the next logical step story-wise
This opened my mind to a new way of looking at the series and I love it. Now I'm sitting here remembering despite the common generic enemies/npc's in SS and CS, they continue to push the limits of what they can do with a paper universe, and I'm starting to think the whole series is pretty cool. I mean I always new the gradual elevation of the gimmick, but I hadn't thought about how it was also being introduced to Mario himself. o.o I have a newfound respect to the newer pm's thank you

P.s. I know this wasn't the point you were making, but one thought led to another
 
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YoshiFlutterJump

Shine Sprite
Poll Committee
Hotel Mario?
Nah, that one's just inherently bad; it's the subject of a lot of jokes, but I have yet to see someone with an actual hate passion against it. Behold the Fail Awards results of the past few years, where anything and everything related to Sticker Star got voted in the top 3 no matter how good or bad it may have been compared to the other nominees.
 

Nossie

Dinosaur Land's greatest grape treader.
Hotel Mario had genuinely good ideas for the Koopalings (who wouldn't want a flying Lemmy and a psychic-lighting Ludwig?!) , and the "hotel" themes were pretty visually pleasant considering when it was made and for what platform. And that whole door thing was a weird popular game mechanic for early day pc's so I don't blame them for that. The only thing that really bugs me is the voices, even the talking to the player thing is ok imo since it really was aimed for young children.

Overall I think they had decent ideas on what I assume a low budget with minimal computer specs to work on.
 

Baby Luigi Rescuing Mario

*insert Shakira music here*
I think Mario Kart Tour has elements that deserve more universal hate than Sticker Star to be really honest. If the hate isn't universal, it's at least more intense.

Hotel Mario is more ironically hilarious than anything else. Thank you so much Russian animators.
 

LeftyGreenMario

Mushroom Kingdom's second greenest plumber
Mario Kart Tour should be the fanbase's most hated game. Sticker Star might be an objectionable game that simply made the mistake of experimenting and ending up aliennating fans in the process, but it still isn't a kid's pipe-tugging gambling machine with Mario's face painted over it.

And with M&L possibly gone, this might be the only hope the Mario RPGs I loved so much to keep going, I sure hope we're not looking at a future where all Mario RPGs have the same regular character cast and a generic story.
While Mario RPGs definitely have a brother series down, we just had Luigi's Mansion 3 recently! It's filled with new characters! Only Luigi, Peach, Toad, King Boo, Boos, Mario, and E Gadd are recurring characters (while Polterpup has been limited only to Dark Moon which should count it as an OC like how a recurring RPG character Fawful is an OC) while every other character is brand new and has its own personality. The story, however, may be a kidnapping plot, but that just leaves only Luigi and E Gadd and King Boo while the rest can duke it out against Luigi!
 

Renjamin

Yellow Gooigi paisano
While Mario RPGs definitely have a brother series down, we just had Luigi's Mansion 3 recently! It's filled with new characters! Only Luigi, Peach, Toad, King Boo, Boos, Mario, and E Gadd are recurring characters (while Polterpup has been limited only to Dark Moon which should count it as an OC like how a recurring RPG character Fawful is an OC) while every other character is brand new and has its own personality. The story, however, may be a kidnapping plot, but that just leaves only Luigi and E Gadd and King Boo while the rest can duke it out against Luigi!
You know I won't go to far into the detail, 'cuz spoilers but I gotta say LM3 is IMO the best story we've had told in this franchise. It has tons of unique and fun characters and places whilst still having the Mario charm and the brothers at the forefront of the adventure. (Also the most expressive and personality filled we've ever seen these characters)
 

LeftyGreenMario

Mushroom Kingdom's second greenest plumber
"Inherently worse" is an odd phrase. It makes two character qualities... essentialist, as if they're fundamental and rigid. And that's not true. It's all up to interpretation and opinion. You either like or dislike a character, and if you dislike a character, you shouldn't justify opinions behind condescending "objective"-sounding phrases like "inherently worse".
 

Lorenz Hellman Gloucester

absolutely the best boy dont even try to debate it
yeah theres a lot of people in mario related circles who constantly complain about mario being SO AWFUL AND SUPER BAD GRR which always comes across super shittily, Mario characters are pretty much the most inoffensive characters ever, so i dont get why people always say such things
 

LeftyGreenMario

Mushroom Kingdom's second greenest plumber
Well he's as cute and huggable as Luigi. I'm sure that if you like Luigi, you should like Mario too because they share physical appearances, cute demeanor, and they're so good as foils for each other.
 

Mcmadness

The idiot who puts things in the wrong board.
Must....not.....rain....on....parade.
 

Baby Luigi Rescuing Mario

*insert Shakira music here*
Ha! My list would be like

1. Baby Luigi
2. Baby Luigi
3. Baby Luigi
4. Baby Mario
5. Baby Luigi
6. Baby Luigi
7. Toadette
8. Baby Luigi
9. Toad
10. Baby Luigi
 

Vivian

Shadow Siren
I'll have to make a list one of these days on there. I know Fawful and Dimentio would be at the top but as for the full list that would take some serious thinking.
 
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