Is Mario (character) more remembered for being reputable or being disreputable?

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It's no doubt that when it comes to the Mario series and the Mario games, Mario is considered reputable for the quality of the games, not to mention how trustworthy the series generally is. However, this topic is more talking about Mario as a character. In general, Mario doesn't display too much about his character in the games that are present, where he's normally silent, or if something had to be said, another character will do the talking. In fact, Mario talking is rare, where there are games like Mario vs. Donkey Kong (GBA) or Fortune Street where he actually said more frequently than the average speech time. Because of how Mario doesn't really display his character a lot, his personality might seem like it's more open-ended, even though Mario's character in the Nintendo guidelines portray him as heroic and virtuous.

That doesn't really stop fans from portraying Mario as character in their own ways. In fact, quite a lot are more inclined to portray him as disreputable, in which Mario is portray to partake in many vices, do things that paint a bad light to the character, or interpret the character under a negative light. As an example, we have the SuperMarioGlitchy4 series that portray Mario with a callous attitude and a general affinity for spaghetti in a gross manner, because apparently portraying Mario as he is made is "boring". There's also how he's portrayed as partaking in substance abuse, merely because mushrooms are a source of power-up in the games. And that's not to mention how one of Game Theory's more infamous and well-known theories concern Mario being in the morally wrong that essentially painted him as a villain. Mario is very commonly depicted as a wrongdoer that sometimes it's easy to forget how Mario is intended to behave, similar to how Mickey Mouse is assumed to be a villain even though the character himself is one of heroism and adventure-seeking (the comics portrayed him as such). Also, unlike every Mario movie voice actor, he is strongly associated with the person who voiced him that makes one wonders if every voice actor is invalidated (including Charles Martinet), unlike every other character (so for example, nobody called Peach "Anya Taylor-Joy" as a joke, at least not in the long term).

And thus we have a sort of dichotomy here: the original creators intend for Mario to be typically heroic, but the idea that Mario is anything but heroic is more tempting to portray by fans. Because of how wildly different the portrayals are, there might be some fans who would be affected by irony poisoning that they might believe that Mario is not at all a good guy. This is not to say that portraying Mario's heroism is completely absent from fan works, but it's more that Mario is a very easy character to mock. In fact, it even seems like Luigi and Wario have a better reputation than Mario because the former is portrayed by fans as someone who could never do wrong, while the latter is basically immune to disrespect.

And so, we get right down to the topic on hand: is it more common for Mario to be portrayed as someone who is straight-up good, or someone who has sinister intentions? In a Mario forum, I can totally understand if the former is perceived to be the more common interpretation because well, we are more invested in the series than others so we understand Mario better, but perhaps it could also encompass the external environment as well. So, what say you?

Thank you for reading.
 
Mario's personality is a strong selling point for me all the way back to his NES SMB3 Boxart.
An adult man with childlike wonder and vibrantly expressive personality, was and is a role model I've needed to not hate our world entirely. (I grew up surrounded by toxic masculinity both at home and school)

As for the question of Mario's moral compass, I hate the question in itself. I've always hated the fans edgy take that he's bad or selfish. Fuck the Youtubers who keep that stupid NewGrounds shit take alive.

Oop, sorry lost my cool for moment..

Realisticly, just like you said, I believe the fans who put him in negative lights know full well they're twisting his character, similarlly done with Elmo and Chipmunks ie. They're either making their ver. of him out of personal experiences, or second hand knowledge from edgy media.

RE: What's more common?
I think if we were to put circles of how far in as a fan someone is to the Mario franchise, the more someone spends time on the franchise aka the more in the circles they are, the less likely they are to make Mock Mario fics. With that said, the majority of playerbase are casuals and multi-franchise-focused competitive gamers who are more likely to make and enjoy Mock Mario content, therefore Mock Mario is more common on platforms that cater to the general populous, Twitter and Youtube IE. Whereas places like Tumblr that are more fanatic catering will show the characters in better or accurate light more often.
So in the end it really comes to which environment you're in as to if Mario will be portrayed as intended or a parody.
 
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And so, we get right down to the topic on hand: is it more common for Mario to be portrayed as someone who is straight-up good, or someone who has sinister intentions?

Thank you for reading.

since im a avid mario/jjba fanfic reader i know my way around when you can tell an author doesn't like mario, even if they are trying to have mario seem like a good guy in the story. like those mario and luigi brotherly "hurt and comfort" fanfics where the conflict (hurt part) is mario literally verbally abusing luigi and luigi storms out. hell i read one of these where the conflict was mario getting so mad at luigi HE BURNED THE SIDE OF LUIGI'S FACE WITH HIS FIREBRAND ABILITY. very tramatic fic and im glad it is deleted. i should mention that yes, the authors of these are avid mario fans, so it's very weird and gross to see stuff like this. thankfully it's getting rarer to find these and the mario and luigi "hurt/comfort" genre has gotten a lot better.

another time where mario is portrayed more badly is with luaisy fanfics. i have no freaking clue what is up with luaisy shippers and believing that daisy is the only person who truely cares abt luigi. mario in these fanfics is often portrayed as egotistical from his high status in the kingdom and will almost 100% forget his brother for anything related to peach. there were even fanfics i read where mario disregards luigi's feelings or talks down to him with using the most pitiful insults like "oh you're just player two" or some shit like that. but then daisy comes into the story and sweeps luigi off his feet and actually treats him like a real person. there's also quiet often a part where daisy goes up to mario and gives him a piece of her mind and at the end people in the mushroom kingdom care abt luigi or something idk. this is one of the biggest reasons why i hate luaisy, the fact they seem to have a need to make luigi this loser until daisy comes into his life is just ugh.

i also wanna mention that most authors who write a more dickish mario are guys. this isn't always the case, but even so i have never seen a male author write a brotherly fluff fic (best mario fanfic genre). also with your example of SMG4, i don't think he's the best example to give as he is more of a parody account, and parodys are often more """mature""" than their source material.
 
As an example, we have the SuperMarioGlitchy4 series that portray Mario with a callous attitude and a general affinity for spaghetti in a gross manner, because apparently portraying Mario as he is made is "boring".
smg4 (derogatory)
( sorry )

i think its more common to portray him as a poopy head outside of the fandom because apparently poopyheads lend themselves better to the same adult jokes video game parodies wont stop going for therefore we get a plethora (too much) of Mushroom Drug?? Mario Punch Luigi And Yoshi And Cheat On Peach With Toad??? jokes over and over and over
inside the fandom huh i guess it varies but ive personally seen more nice mario than not
nice mario is better! stop butchering him for your Funny Adult Humor Which Amounts To The Same Few Unfunny Jokes Every Time
 
I disagree on the notion that mario doesn't display character for most of the series just because he never speaks. I believe there are many ways in which a character in any form of media can have a prominent personality, and while dialogue is indeed the most common means of showcasing such a thing, one's own personality traits can shine through one's actions, specific reactions to given situations, as well as their relationships, hell, even down to the very way they look. Designs tend to do a better job of conveying what a character's all about more than anything else given that that is the thing you will be using your eyes, the agents of the most prominent of all five senses, to interpret. And in that sense, Mario's character is illuminating due to how unique his design is.

Unfortunately, to answer the question would mean no less than to admit that yes, Mario is constantly regarded in the public eye, although rather jokingly, as the more negative adjective. As zelen pointed out, boring adult humor is much too easy to attribute to a middle aged-looking man such as mario, making his design something of a double-edged sword. I've personally seen more cringe mario than cool mario in my time but I don't see much mario online period so what I've seen is but a sample. Doesn't mean it isn't present, if not prevalent.
 
People overstate Luigi's personality compared to Mario. It's just that Luigi has negative character traits and clear flaws, but it's not like Mario doesn't have a personality and charm on his own about him either.

Anyway, I can't really say much about that character as I don't have much investment in him. Personally, I see people view him in a more positive light than not, and the questions asked are a typical thing where negative qualities are shone in a brighter light because...well they're negative. I've seen my share of SFM videos where Mario is portrayed as he should, and most fanart has him drawn like he should be. Only a few people make him out to be like a womanizing sociopathic asshole (such as Dorkly), and they're typically the "hahaha we're adult and edgy" type of people anyway. And internet content in general doesn't speak for the people offline where we have no data of, but I can tell you that a lot of Mario's playerbase are children who likely don't view Mario in this manner either.
 
I think Mario needs more positive interpretations. The fan projects we create here are a good start.

SMG4 is not a good interpretation of anything Mario. It has good ocs, and the episodes can be funny, but Mario, Peach, and especially Bowser, suck in this series. At first, the Bowser model looked completely fine, but in later videos, He Looks Like A Completely Different Character! Why did they do this to him?!

And SML isn't any better. Bowser's interpretation is ok, but the rest are flat, one-note, and either very mean, very smart, or very stupid. And the ocs, especially Jeffy, are very bad. I'm glad they got sued, but they haven't improved at all.

Mario isn't stupid. Mario isn't mean. Mario doesn't date with Rosalina. Mario is not a father to a stupid kid. And finally, Mario is not a boring character. Period.
 
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*sniffs deeply* I always love a good topic about my favorite plumber.

First, I just want to clear the notion that Mario's uniquely "characterless": keep in mind that ALL characters are defined by only a few personality traits and people often overstate Luigi, Waluigi, Wario, and Bowser's personalities. Additionally, I'd argue that Yoshi and Toad have quite similar traits to Mario yet doesn't get anywhere near apparent flak for a lack of personality than Mario, but Yoshi is way more boring to me as Mario has benefit of main character and having a twin brother (whereas Toad... yeah he does get singled out when people oppose him for Smash Bros. but I don't see people going about how bland he is in the games, though he serves as a commentator for Mario... not my favorite trope of the Mario series).

As far as I know, fans/third parties do sometimes like to depict Mario as... more antiheroish such as one of my least favorite depictions of Mario coming from Super Mario Glitchy 4 (where he's a raving idiot who does assholish things out of stupidity and cares only about pasta; would blow up his friends for pasta) and Dorkly (ohhhh boy Mario's unbearable to watch in a lot of these episodes). However, I've seen more positive depictions of Mario in some fan ways. When I see fansthird parties portray Mario, such as DeviantArt comics, often times, Mario's cheerful, positive, confident, but comparing to Luigi, I almost always see him as more mature and sometimes being no-nonsense and having more common sense. Kind of like Mario in Super Mario Adventures,

I disagree with SMG4's reasoning that Nintendo's Mario would be "too boring". You can write a character that's similar to Nintendo's Mario but add more traits to him to help him stand out better. For instance, I can write Mario as an open-minded figure. He's mentally competent (probably contradicts with the games somewhat, but Mario isn't exactly a brain-dead moron in the game... he's just a silly cartoon character), but he can come off as "stupid" and stubborn, being accustomed to being a leader. He's mature, practical-minded, doesn't easily fall for traps, can make snap decisions, all because he has so much experience being in similar situations (though the lack of gullibility contradicts with how gullible Mario is sometimes in the games). I mean you can write all of this in, add some more relatable flaws than "hahah he's a big fat stupid obnoxious jerk" (I personally love the notion that he's actually as insecure as Luigi but hides it better behind acting confident, and not sacrifice the essence of Mario's character, which I think is confidence, positivity, leadership, open-mindedness, etc.

since im a avid mario/jjba fanfic reader i know my way around when you can tell an author doesn't like mario, even if they are trying to have mario seem like a good guy in the story. like those mario and luigi brotherly "hurt and comfort" fanfics where the conflict (hurt part) is mario literally verbally abusing luigi and luigi storms out. hell i read one of these where the conflict was mario getting so mad at luigi HE BURNED THE SIDE OF LUIGI'S FACE WITH HIS FIREBRAND ABILITY. very tramatic fic and im glad it is deleted. i should mention that yes, the authors of these are avid mario fans, so it's very weird and gross to see stuff like this. thankfully it's getting rarer to find these and the mario and luigi "hurt/comfort" genre has gotten a lot better.

another time where mario is portrayed more badly is with luaisy fanfics. i have no freaking clue what is up with luaisy shippers and believing that daisy is the only person who truely cares abt luigi. mario in these fanfics is often portrayed as egotistical from his high status in the kingdom and will almost 100% forget his brother for anything related to peach. there were even fanfics i read where mario disregards luigi's feelings or talks down to him with using the most pitiful insults like "oh you're just player two" or some shit like that. but then daisy comes into the story and sweeps luigi off his feet and actually treats him like a real person. there's also quiet often a part where daisy goes up to mario and gives him a piece of her mind and at the end people in the mushroom kingdom care abt luigi or something idk. this is one of the biggest reasons why i hate luaisy, the fact they seem to have a need to make luigi this loser until daisy comes into his life is just ugh.

i also wanna mention that most authors who write a more dickish mario are guys. this isn't always the case, but even so i have never seen a male author write a brotherly fluff fic (best mario fanfic genre). also with your example of SMG4, i don't think he's the best example to give as he is more of a parody account, and parodys are often more """mature""" than their source material.
Yeah, I can totally seeing fan depictions of Mario being abusive to Luigi. Again it kind of reminds me of the abusive shit that Dorkly made Mario out to be. I can't believe you'd sit through those stories, since those seem downright unbearable to read. You mention about Luigi "storming out" but all I can imagine is Luigi bursting into tears. If I were to write Mario and if he were to yell at Luigi like this, readers would know from body language (if the story is not told from Mario's perspective) that Mario would instantly feel regret, though still angry and feeling like Luigi's in the wrong and he's in the right. Wouldn't be periodical abuse like what I'm getting from you, but y'know, angry arguments sibling to sibling are a fact of life.

YIKES on Mario striking Luigi with a firebrand though (context matters though, cartoonish shenanigans could make it acceptable (e.g. Mario lighting a fire under Luigi for Luigi snoring too loud; but if it's like going way too close to real abuse, then yeah). As for hitting someone, I can only imagine Mario being at his complete limits but I feel that's a once in a lifetime thing if Mario were to ever hit his own brother, since that memory and deep regret is going to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I'm also going to assume these people don't really have experience of a close sibling, much less a twin sibling. These people who want Mario neglect Luigi for Peach are seriously underestimating the dynamic of a TWIN relationship, and they're assuming Mario and Luigi are regular old siblings. I don't know if you know any fanfic writer that has asked for twin perspective, has twin siblings, or is a twin themselves, but I think twins would make for the best writers for Mario and Luigi. I don't wanna come off as bragging or something, but anyhow, why not actually write that twin dynamic? It's the one biggest stand-out feature Mario has. There simply isn't many twin depictions in media, why not write Mar