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2257

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[11:35] 6.22e+6590: this is where we slag off the supper mario broth guy for working hard to provide new fun facts each day to the public out of a limited pool of content, right
[11:35] 6.22e+6590: https://twitter.com/MarioBrothBlog/status/1031351592967196673
[11:35] 6.22e+6590: i dont like this description
[11:35] 6.22e+6590: it shouldnt be described as different methods of transliteration
[11:36] 6.22e+6590: there's no standard japanese romanisation system that would result in yosh or yossy
[11:37] 6.22e+6590: im under the impression that the name was concieved in the latin alphabet as "yossy", and ヨッシー is actually derived from that, not the other way around
[11:37] 6.22e+6590: i'm not sure, but
[11:38] 6.22e+6590: its not that uncommon in any culture to name something in a foreign language using features that your own language doesn't really support
[11:39] 6.22e+6590: and then horribly mangle your attempts to pronounce it
[11:39] 6.22e+6590: actually my name is sort of like that :thinking:
[11:39] 6.22e+6590: anyway the point is, yossy and yosh arent actually transliterations of ヨッシー
[11:40] 6.22e+6590: to be honest, neither are yoshi or yosi
[11:40] 6.22e+6590: iirc proper transliterations would be yosshī according to hepburn and yossî according to kunrei siki
[11:52] Glowsquid: https://twitter.com/desmond_kof/status/1032011294189256705 relatable
[11:52] Glowsquid: @6.22e+6590 if you posted thjis on the forum's supper mario broth thread he'll actually see and respond to it
[11:55] 6.22e+6590: i dont thihnk its actually that important
[11:55] 6.22e+6590: i thought this was jsut what we do
[11:55] 6.22e+6590: torture the poor man for his innocent mistakes
[11:57] Glowsquid: I'm sure he'll appreciate the constructive criticism and opportunity to improve his content
[11:59] 6.22e+6590: :shrug: ok
 
2257 said:
[11:39] 6.22e+6590: anyway the point is, yossy and yosh arent actually transliterations of ヨッシー
[11:40] 6.22e+6590: to be honest, neither are yoshi or yosi
[11:40] 6.22e+6590: iirc proper transliterations would be yosshī according to hepburn and yossî according to kunrei siki
I must admit that I do not actually know any Japanese, and have to go off other people's descriptions and translations to present Japanese content. This is all entirely my fault and I will simply not mention the word 'transliteration' in the future as I clearly do not have a solid grasp of its intricacies.
Edit: I have deleted the post. I will no longer make posts that rely on inaccurate information in this manner.
 

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well, since it concerned you enough to think it was worth deleting, i'll try to explain it more

'transliteration' means rendering text that is originally in one script into another. wikipedia says that typically that means capturing the original characters unambiguously rather than the original sounds, but my experience is that in the case of japanese, it is almost always used to mean capturing the sounds. 'romanisation' refers to the subset of transliteration that outputs text in the latin alphabet

the most important systematic romanisations of japanese are called hepburn and kunrei-shiki, and there are various other, less well-known systems as well. broadly, they all tend to agree on most details, but there are some areas where they disagree (long vowels, unstable consonants, and the rendering of ん / ン account for most differences).

the problem is that when nintendo renders the japanese names of their characters in latin script, they often don't follow any system of romanisation at all, but make up some kind of idiosyncratic spelling instead. yossy, yosi, yosh and yoshi are all ad-hoc spellings of the japanese name, ヨッシー (and 'yosh' might even be an error; i was told that that image doesn't depict an official product). 'koopa' is another example: the original spelling is クッパ, which should be rendered 'kuppa' according to all of the romanisation systems i'm familiar with, but nintendo frequently prefers the idiosyncratic spelling

anyway, had it been me, i don't think i would have deleted the tweet over this. of course, it's your twitter and you can do what you want with it, but the basic fact that yoshi's name has been spelled various ways in the latin alphabet by official material is true. it's just the explanation of why that probably happened that wasn't accurate
 

winstein

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So this is apparently how Princess Peach could have looked like, but they went with a human design in the end. Personally, if that were to be Peach's design, my first impression of hew wouldn't be that she's generic. Then again, the people who loved Peach wouldn't have like this one.

Thank you for reading.
 

Marie

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I think if you removed the mushroom head and gave her regular hair, she'd be just as generic as Peach.
 

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Czario said:
I think if you removed the mushroom head and gave her regular hair, she'd be just as generic as Peach.
If you remove the mushroom head and give her regular hair, you essentially get Aurora. I had heard that original Aurora-resembling design existed, but wow, I was not expecting it to look that similar.
 

Dr. Mario

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She certainly does look like Aurora from Sleeping Beauty from the chest down. I was about to point it out, but time constraints and I also forgot her name at the moment.
 

Sgt Jack V

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Sorry it took too long to get this done.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bvq4w1ynky40jc2/suppermariobroth%20-%20Copy.zip?dl=0

I think some things are missing that you would usually get if you used the downloader I mentioned before due to a thunderstorm knocking out my power at the tail end of the downloading process for these files.
 
Sgt Nate V said:
Sorry it took too long to get this done.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bvq4w1ynky40jc2/suppermariobroth%20-%20Copy.zip?dl=0
Thank you very much for doing this. I have taken a look at it and the amount of content to sift through to find the deleted posts is daunting, so please understand if this will take me a while, especially with the new added responsibilities of the Patreon I just launched. However, once I am finished, I will contact the original author to get some additional commentary (as my readers seem to enjoy that) and publish everything in an Imgur album. You will be credited prominently for your work.
 

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winstein said:


So this is apparently how Princess Peach could have looked like, but they went with a human design in the end. Personally, if that were to be Peach's design, my first impression of hew wouldn't be that she's generic. Then again, the people who loved Peach wouldn't have like this one.

Thank you for reading.
Actually, that comes from a NA guide released in 1987, considering how in 1986 Princess Peach's modern design by Kotabe was finalized, I'm not sure if that was an actual design from Nintendo Co., Ltd. or just one of those marvelous "reinterpretations" that were so common at the time.
 

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Mister Wu said:
Actually, that comes from a NA guide released in 1987, considering how in 1986 Princess Peach's modern design by Kotabe was finalized, I'm not sure if that was an actual design from Nintendo Co., Ltd. or just one of those marvelous "reinterpretations" that were so common at the time.
The name of the book is 'How to Win at Super Mario Bros.', and I found out not long ago that it's actually a localization of Tokuma Shoten's スーパーマリオブラザーズ 完全攻略本 (Super Mario Bros. kanzen kouryaku bon, or "perfect capture book"), which was apparently one of the best selling pieces of literature in Japan in 1985. So yeah, the art is actually from Japan after all...!
 

Dr. Mario

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Finding old posts is pretty hard! What happened to that post related to Mario Strikers Charged (the Brawl trophy one in particular)? I found that Super Smash Bros. Brawl is an odd choice to single out that particular Mario, especially with the conclusion being that it's the only Mario game where Mario has visible gums and individual teeth.
 

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IIRC at one point I saw my Sticker Star-style Dimentio shared on Supper Mario Broth years ago. Looks like that's not in the archive though. It's terrible art anyway but I wish I could verify if it was indeed shared or if it's my memory fabricating it out of 2 unrelated memories :p
 
Princess Mario said:
Finding old posts is pretty hard! What happened to that post related to Mario Strikers Charged (the Brawl trophy one in particular)? I found that Super Smash Bros. Brawl is an odd choice to single out that particular Mario, especially with the conclusion being that it's the only Mario game where Mario has visible gums and individual teeth.
The post is still here: https://twitter.com/MarioBrothBlog/status/979186313541967875
As for finding old posts, I constantly delete old posts that have people show me counterexamples to my point. My policy is, "if anyone can show proof that the post is not 100% correct, delete it immediately". And if you have an example of another Mario model with separate teeth, I will delete the above post as well.
Fawfulthegreat64 said:
IIRC at one point I saw my Sticker Star-style Dimentio shared on Supper Mario Broth years ago. Looks like that's not in the archive though. It's terrible art anyway but I wish I could verify if it was indeed shared or if it's my memory fabricating it out of 2 unrelated memories :p
It was reblogged by the original author sometime in 2013, but was deleted by me in 2016 when I removed all fan content posts. In retrospect I wish I simply put a disclaimer on those posts instead. I apologize. You must understand that back when I removed those posts, I was under the impression that it would infuriate readers to leave them up, as they would be confused as to which of them were factual and which were not. The disclaimer idea simply did not come to me until it was too late.
 

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I find that post still very odd. I'm not sure why you mention "within the Super Smash Bros. series" when it's a notable thing for the Mario series as a whole. You can tell from the responses that the context of "within the Super Smash Bros. series" doesn't really work, so I think the post is giving people misleading impressions. And I think this is a better image to show Mario's teeth, as his mouth is spread and you can even see the gum details there.



If you're going for shock value (which the post has accomplished apparently), this image better suits the bill. Anyone who says "it's a mouthguard" hasn't played Mario Strikers Charged.
 
Princess Mario said:
You can tell from the responses that the context of "within the Super Smash Bros. series" doesn't really work, so I think the post is giving people misleading impressions.
You are right. I have deleted the post for being misleading. Thank you for pointing this out.
 

ZelenPixel

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absolutely love this blog, been following it since 2016, keep up the good work!
i was wondering if the carrot sprite could change someday to some other carrot, maybe similar to its artwork?
not asking it to be changed, its very good already and its iconic, so id be perfectly fine if it stayed! im just curious if that could happen.
 

Dr. Mario

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Is there an easier way to browse through older posts? I wish there's a way to check out all the tags rather than parse through posts of related content and then finding the tags there.
 

Sgt Jack V

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Princess Mario said:
Is there an easier way to browse through older posts? I wish there's a way to check out all the tags rather than parse through posts of related content and then finding the tags there.
There used to be a search function, but an update at some point removed it.
 
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