Unpopular opinions about the Mario series
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YoshiFlutterJump
Power Star
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I'm on the side that says get it
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BlueShelledKoopaTroopa
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Funny enough, I was expecting Color Splash to get ported to Switch.
Pokerninja2
Cheep Cheep
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Never liked the Tiki Tak Tribe. They're designs aren't interesting and they lack a lot of personality compared to the Kremlings and Snowmads.
The bosses are fun though.
The bosses are fun though.
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The football players did come back for Super Mario 3D World and was a capturable enemy for Super Mario Odyssey, so it's not a stretch at all to want them in a 2D Mario platformer.
MetaWeegee
Dancing is Forbidden!
I'd only really be interested if their variations returned. That's what really made them, was pretty dissapointed in their 3D World appearance for that reason
WeirdRaptor
Goomba
I love the U.S. "Super Mario Bros 2" and think they need to revisit that style of gameplay again in the future.
"Super Mario Sunshine" is annoying to play.
"Super Mario Sunshine" is annoying to play.
I know it's not unpopular to hate TTYD chapter 4. After all, it is a very poorly designed chapter that forces you to go through the same boring area a bazillion times in order to foster a false sense of difficulty that just ends up being time padding. I hate this chapter, and I hate it more than any other Paper Mario chapter, yes even Chapter 6 in Spm, because at least you're only required to fight 20 of the sammer idiots and the chapter is short in the main game.
But that is not what I am here to discuss. The actual unpopular opinion I have today is about... Vivian herself.
I don't like her that much. I don't dislike her, mind you, but I'm pretty sure everyone loves her, enough that I'd consider my opinion on her unpopular.
Having you liking Vivian kinda feels... forced, if you ask me. Sure. A lot of characters have to do things specifically to give you a reason to like them. Let's start by looking at Vivian's appearance before her recruitment.
Vivian is seen just hanging out with her sisters normally. You don't really get a glimpse into their relationship till Chapter 2. Then everyone's chill with each other until Beldam starts being a bitch out of nowhere. There's absolutely no hints that she abuses Vivian beforehand and it just feels sudden. And it's not even known at this point if she's been doing this for years or if it's just started to happen now, which is odd considering the sheer number of years they must've spent coexisting. Vivian looks cheerier than someone who's been constantly abused for life, so I don't think that's the case, and as such Beldam yelling at her is just... you know, it's just there to tell you "hey look, this is the antagonist you're supposed to feel bad for". I wanna actually get to like Vivian myself, I don't need the game to tell me I'm supposed to. What's more, is her appearance in Twilight Town. When she complains about the bomb being broken you have no option to be mean to her. This wouldn't be a problem for me if not for the fact that you can be mean to every other one of your potential partners. You can refuse Koops's proposal, you can tell Flurrie you're not in the mood for finding the necklace, you can tell the little Yoshi right to his face that YOU WANT TO EAT THE EGG. Yet when it comes to Vivian, you don't have such an option, as if the game is just trying its hardest for you not to do the same to her. I get it. Her life's been hard (or at least just during the two chapters, according to my conclusion), but I need to find reasons to like her myself. She's sweet and kind, if the game had just showed me that instead of shoving it into my throat that she needs affection I would have liked her a lot, and I mean a lot more.
The final nail in the coffin is during the Doopliss battle. She says Mario's been kinder to her than her sisters ever were. That effectively means she was abused her whole life (which is maybe not true but considering the game's direction on this plot point, it's safe to assume that). And I can't imagine that someone like that could have the willpower to put on a brave face temporarily. Vivian looks normal right up until she gets scolded. And it doesn't make any sense.
Now, with all that said, I do think she is the female partner I like best in this game. Not a high bar to beat when Goombella exists in said game but whatever, that's something. Also I'm gonna take this opportunity to say how much I hate the fact that every single one of the female partners have to kiss Mario at least once (looking at you, Mowz).
But that is not what I am here to discuss. The actual unpopular opinion I have today is about... Vivian herself.
I don't like her that much. I don't dislike her, mind you, but I'm pretty sure everyone loves her, enough that I'd consider my opinion on her unpopular.
Having you liking Vivian kinda feels... forced, if you ask me. Sure. A lot of characters have to do things specifically to give you a reason to like them. Let's start by looking at Vivian's appearance before her recruitment.
Vivian is seen just hanging out with her sisters normally. You don't really get a glimpse into their relationship till Chapter 2. Then everyone's chill with each other until Beldam starts being a bitch out of nowhere. There's absolutely no hints that she abuses Vivian beforehand and it just feels sudden. And it's not even known at this point if she's been doing this for years or if it's just started to happen now, which is odd considering the sheer number of years they must've spent coexisting. Vivian looks cheerier than someone who's been constantly abused for life, so I don't think that's the case, and as such Beldam yelling at her is just... you know, it's just there to tell you "hey look, this is the antagonist you're supposed to feel bad for". I wanna actually get to like Vivian myself, I don't need the game to tell me I'm supposed to. What's more, is her appearance in Twilight Town. When she complains about the bomb being broken you have no option to be mean to her. This wouldn't be a problem for me if not for the fact that you can be mean to every other one of your potential partners. You can refuse Koops's proposal, you can tell Flurrie you're not in the mood for finding the necklace, you can tell the little Yoshi right to his face that YOU WANT TO EAT THE EGG. Yet when it comes to Vivian, you don't have such an option, as if the game is just trying its hardest for you not to do the same to her. I get it. Her life's been hard (or at least just during the two chapters, according to my conclusion), but I need to find reasons to like her myself. She's sweet and kind, if the game had just showed me that instead of shoving it into my throat that she needs affection I would have liked her a lot, and I mean a lot more.
The final nail in the coffin is during the Doopliss battle. She says Mario's been kinder to her than her sisters ever were. That effectively means she was abused her whole life (which is maybe not true but considering the game's direction on this plot point, it's safe to assume that). And I can't imagine that someone like that could have the willpower to put on a brave face temporarily. Vivian looks normal right up until she gets scolded. And it doesn't make any sense.
Now, with all that said, I do think she is the female partner I like best in this game. Not a high bar to beat when Goombella exists in said game but whatever, that's something. Also I'm gonna take this opportunity to say how much I hate the fact that every single one of the female partners have to kiss Mario at least once (looking at you, Mowz).
