The Super Mario RPG (the user) reversion project

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Super Mario RPG (aka Super Game Gear, henceforth referred to as "SGG" because we don't want to besmirch the good name of Square's kino) was a highly prolific editor up until his ban in 2025. Highly dedicated to the cause of "making the wiki more professional" and "removing unencyclopedic content", SGG diligently rewrote hundred (maybe thousands?) of pages with a particular focus on Mario Party and sport spin-off minigames, making sure to shorten them as much as he could.

He was also really fucking bad at it.

Endemic problems to his rewrites include a bizarre fixation on removing any and all details about the gameplay of a game (even on "gameplay" topics like minigame pages), clunky and obviously not proofread writing obsessed with shoving as much information as possible with no regard to clarity or readability, and a deeply unfortunate habit of not researching whatever subject he was rewriting, which lead him to misinterpret the existing statements and falsify information or remove useful details. While we initially put up with it because we had other preoccupations and it at least seemed well-meaning, looking into his edit history deeper after his ban made it painfully obvious the large majority of his rewrites are at best an obvious downgrade. Even in the cases where a pre-SGG revision does exhibit problems, it's invariably preferable to SGG's attempt to fix it

While in some cases it's as easy as saving over the immediate revision prior to his rewrite, in other cases, pages that were "rewritten" by SGG (or "souped" as the staff called it) have since been edited by other contributor with often valid and informative writing, and it's not fair to the hard work of those editors to remove it wholesale alongside SGG's mess. Those take a greater effort to be fixed. As such, the staff set up this thread to track and discuss the effort to unfuck all of these pages. It was initially for the use of our staff board, but as the extent of the damage became apparent, we felt it was appropriate to publicly draw attention to the cleanup.

Here is the list of contributions again, for easy access:
https://www.mariowiki.com/Special:Contributions/Super_Mario_RPG

For keeping track of articles that have had SGG's sweeping rewrites reverted.

Arrow Sign
Artist on the Court
Ashley
Baby Park
Balloon Panic
Barrel Batter
Beach Volleyball (Mario Party 5)
Big Popper
Blame It on the Crane
Bob-omb Barrage
Bob-omb Derby
Bullet Bill
Bullet Bill Blast
Bunny Belt
Chain Chomp Sprint
Chain-Chomp Challenge
Cloud Puffer
Coin Cache
Coin Collectors
Cosmic Coaster
Crank to Rank
Crazy Crosshairs
Crushed Ice
Dr. Mario (game)
Flashfright
Forest Jump
Game Guy's Magic Boxes
Glacial Meltdown
Gnat Attack
Gold Ghost
Goomba's Booty Boardwalk
Goomboss
Gooper Blooper Volley
Hexagon
Hexagon Heat
Hoopster
Hop-O-Matic 4000
Ice
In the Nick of Time
Koopa's Seaside Soiree
Kosha.
Lantern Ghost
Lava Bubble
Light Speed
Luigi's Mansion Court
Mario Hoops 3-on-3
Mario Matrix
Mecha-Bowser Mayhem
Message Block
Midbus
Mosh-Pit Playroom
Mushbert
Mushroom Mix-Up
Order Up
Peach Dome
Peek-n-Sneak
Petal Guy
Photograph
Pink Block
Piranha Panic
Punch-a-Bunch
Pushy Penguins
Rakin' 'em In
Rock Kroc
Scuttlebug
Shell Stack
Skeleton Goonie
Ski
Slot Synch
Snag Bag
Snow Ride
Space Swap Hex
Spotlight Swim
Star Dash
Study Fall
Sushi Cliff
Swirly Spinner
Switch Way?
Terror Tennis
The Floating Whirlindas
The Great Deflate
Thwomp Pull
Tic-Tac-Glow
Trace Race
Toad Highlands
Wall Ball
Water Ball
Woody
World 1 (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island)
World 2 (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island)
World 3 (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island)
World 4 (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island)
World 5 (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island)
World 6 (Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island)
Yoshi Touch & Go

Also while we've made our frustration with has transpired quite apparent, we ask you keep the thread focused on the cleanup effort instead of dunking on SGG.
 
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I undid the revision on Kosha.

Update: Did the same thing on Snag Bag.

Update #2: Double Dice also has been reverted.
 
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Thank you for being fast and decisive about this process and we hope we can proceed forward eventually getting rid of all this user's edits and trying to preserve edits that weren't related to this one. I've done several already.

I do want to say, but won't go into much more detail, that this user is kind of a jerk on top of all the stuff they pulled off after they were admonished so many times, so maybe that can push some of you to participate in the process. At least, don't feel bad about undoing this person's edits.
 
Did rollbacks on the following pages:
- Mushbert
- Peek-n-Sneak
- Crushed Ice
- Switch Way?
- Big Popper
- Forest Jump
- Bunny Belt
- Sushi Cliff
- Slot Synch
- Cosmic Coaster
- Spotlight Swim
- Bob-omb Barrage
- Rakin' 'em In
- Pushy Penguins
- Thwomp Pull
- Game Guy's Magic Boxes
- Shell Stack
- Toad Highlands
- Cloud Puffer
- Ski
I suggest double checking these since I didn't really look through them much before reverting. I'm sleepy and am going to bed shortly.
 
I've done some minigame pages and a really awfully butchered Shy Guy's skillshot page from Mario Strikers Charged. For bigger articles that he did, like for Mario Hoops 3-on-3 and Yoshi Touch & Go, two articles I have meticulated and brought to featured status, his edits were such a colossal fucking mess that you're really better off reverting everything he tried to do because you and I have better things to do than to read every single thing he did wrong in those types of articles.

Hexagon Heat
Mushroom Mix-Up
Hexagon
Bullet Bill Blast
 
I think it bears noting that a lot of the interim additions since those edits were simply people unknowingly adding things back that he removed by assuming that they were never covered in the first place. The main exceptions, of course, are newer games and foreign name citations.
 
Doc von Schmeltwick said:
I think it bears noting that a lot of the interim additions since those edits were simply people unknowingly adding things back that he removed by assuming that they were never covered in the first place. The main exceptions, of course, are newer games and foreign name citations.
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Yeah what he did to the Bullet Bill Blast article. A later user added a rewrite template on that article asking for stuff like if the Bullet Bill knocks people back, in which the article did state until SGG got rid of it.
 
have been poring thru these off-and-on since last night. if it helps anyone, we think it's easier to demonstrate just what goes into de-souping a page by comparing with the last revision before souping, rather than the souped version. for instance, take Space Swap Hex:
for instances where a page's most recent edit was its souping, we think editing the previous version and adjusting its prose to fix any issues it has is the way to go. heck, sometimes you get lucky and the original prose is fine, and you just need to manual revert.
 
have taken a stab at fixing Lava Bubble, feel free to help us fix anything we might've missed.
 
The Great Deflate

Dude for no reason got rid of the information that the Thwomps get higher pitched the more they get smashed.
 
Snow Ride
Light Speed‎
Flashfright

Have been reverted. A thing I need to mention is that he would randomly cite sentences for no reason, in the Snow Ride article, he added a citation for the fact that players ride snowboards while avoiding Warp Pipes or the fact that the solo player chases the team players in Flashfright, both extremely apparent things judging from the image of the article and/or if one has played the game, which is just blatant confirmation to me that he didn't.
 
I was editing Bullet Bill because I wanted to touch up the Odyssey section, and kind of ended up half cleaning up the article by changing the sections for games from 3D Land to Odyssey. It was exhausting comparing two large revisions to the current page and trying re-add what was lost and now I'm worried all of my edits are going to make it more difficult for the person who actually cleans up the entire article. (The article also needs to have the games of the Yoshi series put under one header, but I didn't do that because moving the sections around absolutely will make the cleanup much harder.)

I did a similar thing for Message Block but for the whole page, and I think with the edit after mine the page can be considered done.

EDIT: So, does anyone know what we're going to do in the cases where SGG split a page? The options available to normal users don't seem to have an option for comparing a revision of one page to a revision of another page, making the fix much more difficult, and the possibility for multiple things being lost in this user's splitting process is very high. An example of a page he split is History of Toad from Toad.

I can't get a full list of pages he split, but this link to his article creations make finding all of them easy. I listed all of them out. https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Super+Mario+RPG&namespace=0&tagfilter=&newOnly=1&start=&end=&limit=50

Toad Town (Paper Mario: The Origami King)‎
Toad Town (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)‎
Peach's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga)‎
Toad Town (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)
Toad Town (Paper Mario)‎
Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG)‎
Yoshi's Island (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)‎
Yo'ster Isle (Super Mario RPG)‎
Mushroom Castle (Super Mario RPG)‎
Princess Peach's Castle (Paper Mario)‎
Peach's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time)‎
Peach's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story)‎
Peach's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam)‎
Bowser's Keep‎
Bowser's Castle (Paper Mario)‎
Bowser's Castle (Paper Mario: The Origami King)‎
Bowser's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga)‎
Bowser's Castle (Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
History of Toad
List of Assist Trophy characters
List of Final Smashes

The pages below were split off by him, but later got merged back into the main page. But that could mean SGG revisions are hidden across the histories of two pages instead of just one.

History of coins (Coin)
History of Koopa Troopas (Koopa Troopa)
History of Boos (Boo)

I think the pages that solely consist of data are probably not a big deal (Can't write data poorly, after all) so they're in this spoiler.
List of Fire Flower profiles and statistics
List of Zinger profiles and statistics
List of King Boo quotes
List of stickers in Super Smash Bros. Brawl
List of Donkey Kong Jr. profiles and statistics
List of Thwomp profiles and statistics
List of Fly Guy profiles and statistics
List of Cranky Kong profiles and statistics
List of Lava Bubble profiles and statistics
 
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Undid Rock Kroc. I checked the other DKC enemies page, but beside a weird fixation with replacing mentions of "the GBC port" and "the GBA port" with the "first remake" and "second remake", his edits there are uncharacteristically non-destructive.

To add to what was said in post #13, one of his many editing quirks was to randomly add citations for basic gameplay facts. If you see markup like "A Goomba is defeated when Mario jumps on it[7]", there's a good odd a page was "souped".
 
Woody sells minigames, not soup.

Edit: I have also updated the list. It's not getting any smaller. I'm not sure if @Salmancer has made any edits, but I did list Message Block and Bullet Bill, assuming he did.
 
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I made some reverts in the past myself. Particularly concerning instances where the subject's name would be repeated ad nauseam as the first word in every sub-section ("Scuttlebugs are enemies in Super Mario 64." followed by "Scuttlebugs are enemies in NSMB." etc.), lending to monotonous writing.
I have a sneaking suspicion the guy was rather socially awkward and tried extremely hard to assimilate, but I understand that nobody really had an idea how to help him, which led to a lot of clinches and eventually his ban.

He had positives alongside the negatives, too. He was articulate and extremely perseverant, which can be tremendous qualities in themselves. I even made sure to let him know that I found him genuinely useful, and indeed we would often work shoulder to shoulder on some articles, mostly in adding new technical syntax or enforcing proposals. Unfortunately, a lot of his other efforts were misguided and often led to other users, myself included, having to carry him by the hand through situations that would feel intuitive to someone else. I was also getting frustrated with his rewrites, particularly with his clunky rephrasings, which, as he admitted himself, derived from a specific fixation rather than genuinely bad language command.

However, for the better part of his stay, what I saw in him was an attempt to stay civil in the face of adversity and remain open to feedback, often going out of his way to ask for it. Not to say his conduct was immaculate, but the instances where he snapped at others for differing views were few and far between--and, let's be honest, the year 2024 saw a rather heated and tense community on Mario Wiki, a spirit whereto I sadly contributed myself; I'm impressed his unhappier interactions remained so rare within that context, and I'm convinced he was otherwise acting in good faith.

The moment things went, for one reason or another, truly south, he resorted to desperate methods to better assert himself, such as making that questionable proposal, vandalizing, and insulting other users, saying for instance that AI would do a better job than the human mods. It was honestly very heartbreaking to see him just kind of ruining himself and leaving such a sour impression on people. I've been there, thankfully never pushing through to this degree, but I maintain that a lot of his misguided acts mirrored mine over the course of many years.

I don't blame others for being frustrated with him or kicking him out for the community, but I also don't exactly breathe a sigh of relief that he's gone. I hope this does not read as though I'm being critical of anyone here, or trying to gaslight you into thinking you were the "corrupt system who opposed the misunderstood efforts of a Poor and Noble Soul with a Heart of Gold"; however, I'm also trying to express some sympathy towards his tribulations, because much of that stubborn grit he had that brought him to this position, I also have it.

Super Mario RPG, should you read this, I hope you can move on and find happiness in other endeavors. I know you cared a whole lot about Mario Wiki and that parting with it has been extremely messy and difficult, which is why I hope that you at least take away some positives from the ordeal. Whatever you do, remember that online spaces are, by their very nature, NOT the right place to seek inner rest and fulfilment.
 
If you need me to, I can tackle the data and list pages, those seem pretty easy for me to do. :new:
 
If we're reverting edits made by SGG, can we also change anything that looks out of place, like in Crazy Crosshairs' translation table, where it says it shares the same French name as Cannonball! (minigame)?
 
Luci said:
If we're reverting edits made by SGG, can we also change anything that looks out of place, like in Crazy Crosshairs' translation table, where it says it shares the same French name as Cannonball! (minigame)?
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Seems minor, but you can do it. However we need to keep the overview sections due to a passed proposal that's supposed to remove these "intro" segments.

Meanwhile I did edits in St. Giga and Game Boy Camera; these were older edits and a bit more difficult to unsoup due to consecutive edits.
 
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