Ihsan997
Shy Guy
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
That's a bold statement, but is it truly unpopular? I'm sort of inclined to agree with you.
Unpopular opinions about the Mario series
- Thread starter Smashley
- Start date
That's a bold statement, but is it truly unpopular? I'm sort of inclined to agree with you.
I'm the lil bro.
I'm hooked on the brothers!
- Pronouns
- kit/he
This may honestly not be that hot of a take (it may be more popular than I think it is because it does feel like the kind of opinion that should be at least semi-popular), but everyone I've spoken to disagrees with me on this except like, one person, so:
I think the Mario & Luigi RPG series is overall more engaging and more fun to play than the Paper Mario series. It has more consistent quality and the battles are more fun overall. I also think the stories are consistently better (Super Paper Mario is an outstanding exception). Not to say the Paper Mario series is bad or anything like that, obviously not, but I've seen a lot of people wish the Mario & Luigi RPG series was gone so that Paper Mario could be the main RPG series and thinking that they were taking up space. This is not a recent point of view of course (RIP AlphaDream) but it was prevailing for quite some time. (Personally I thought the two could co-exist, but... that's a bit of a tangent.)
Yes, this does mean I think most of them are better than TTYD. TTYD is a good game, but a lot of issues I have with it are virtually nonexistent in the M&L RPG series.
I would say the main thing dragging any M&L RPG story down (besides the weird sterilization of it in Paper Jam) is Starlow, but that part isn't really all that hot a take nowadays, I think a lot of people don't like Starlow these days haha.
I think the Mario & Luigi RPG series is overall more engaging and more fun to play than the Paper Mario series. It has more consistent quality and the battles are more fun overall. I also think the stories are consistently better (Super Paper Mario is an outstanding exception). Not to say the Paper Mario series is bad or anything like that, obviously not, but I've seen a lot of people wish the Mario & Luigi RPG series was gone so that Paper Mario could be the main RPG series and thinking that they were taking up space. This is not a recent point of view of course (RIP AlphaDream) but it was prevailing for quite some time. (Personally I thought the two could co-exist, but... that's a bit of a tangent.)
Yes, this does mean I think most of them are better than TTYD. TTYD is a good game, but a lot of issues I have with it are virtually nonexistent in the M&L RPG series.
I would say the main thing dragging any M&L RPG story down (besides the weird sterilization of it in Paper Jam) is Starlow, but that part isn't really all that hot a take nowadays, I think a lot of people don't like Starlow these days haha.
I've only just gotten past the superstar saga earlygame so I can't really speak on average M&L quality but also the "M&L is stealing PM's story" is such a dumb take that is both just straight up not true and also another example of people heavily misinterpreting interviews
- Pronouns
- she/her
- MarioWiki
- Mario
I've always liked Mario & Luigi a lot more than Paper Mario so
I feel that the Mario RPGs are merely serviceable in this day and age, unless they make a new Mario RPG that involves one of the other major Mario characters in a significant manner. Original characters are fine, but making a familiar Mario character a major presence in an RPG satisfies fans of the characters and even adds a breath of fresh air to the RPGs through the addition of never-before-seen characters (in an RPG, anyway).
What I mean is, Mario has a wide cast of characters, but the RPGs tend to only focus on the three or four main characters: Mario, Peach, and Bowser (+ Luigi). It's rare that Yoshi even gets involved, even if he got his turn (thank you, Mario + Rabbids). The partner characters in Paper Mario don't fill the void because well, they've never gotten much involvement beyond the game that they were introduced, have they? The same logic applies to Mallow and Geno, who only made sense in the game that they are introduced in (though to be fair, Mallow is more open for a future appearance compared to Geno despite the former's unpopularity).
Partners in Time is an example of what I mean as a positive change: sure it's just Baby Mario and Baby Luigi, but both of them have been involved in a Mario game before and so it's nice to see established characters go on a significant adventure. It's your favourite characters doing some grand stuff. Donkey Kong never even got this chance, because his DLC campaign in Mario + Rabbids is a separate adventure that doesn't involve teaming up with Mario. So in this case, a Mario and Donkey Kong teamwork RPG game has great potential, as the movie even shows that a team-up between both works spectacularly.
Likewise, an RPG that involves some lesser-used major characters like Daisy, Wario, and Waluigi (and maybe Toadette and Birdo, but they had the benefit of appearing in an RPG so it's less pressing for them) would be such a treat to me. I admit that on Paper Mario: The Origami King's feedback survey, I even mentioned that I would like to see Daisy appear as a major player in a future Paper Mario game. (To be clear, major player might even just be a non-player role like Peach, just make her have a non-negligible role, unlike Luigi in Sticker Star)
Maybe you might see me listing Daisy and Waluigi as "major characters" and do a double take here. However, I stand by my stance that both of them are major Mario characters. This leads to another unpopular opinion of mine, where I view them with a similar level of prominence as what others would consider as major like Wario and Rosalina. For one, on Nintendo's character portals, both of them have their own profiles, which is not something you see for just about any character (not even Kamek has a profile). Also, the Mario series is not known for canonity, so it's not like how Legend of Zelda dictates which characters are "canon" based on the games they star in; by saying that say, Waluigi, doesn't count because he's not in the main game, it's reinforcing the view that the main games are more canon than spinoffs and thus doesn't align with the lack of canon adherence in the Mario series, when Waluigi is more prominent than many characters in a Super Mario platformer due to his frequent appearances. Of course certain games don't get referenced often like Mario Party, but Mario Kart and sometimes Dr. Mario are plentifully referenced so it's not like spinoffs are off-limits.
(On the note of Boo in the character portal: since Boo is not established as having THE Boo in the same way Yoshi and Toad have THE Yoshi and THE Toad, Boo can't be considered a character as much as it is a species)
Thank you for reading.
What I mean is, Mario has a wide cast of characters, but the RPGs tend to only focus on the three or four main characters: Mario, Peach, and Bowser (+ Luigi). It's rare that Yoshi even gets involved, even if he got his turn (thank you, Mario + Rabbids). The partner characters in Paper Mario don't fill the void because well, they've never gotten much involvement beyond the game that they were introduced, have they? The same logic applies to Mallow and Geno, who only made sense in the game that they are introduced in (though to be fair, Mallow is more open for a future appearance compared to Geno despite the former's unpopularity).
Partners in Time is an example of what I mean as a positive change: sure it's just Baby Mario and Baby Luigi, but both of them have been involved in a Mario game before and so it's nice to see established characters go on a significant adventure. It's your favourite characters doing some grand stuff. Donkey Kong never even got this chance, because his DLC campaign in Mario + Rabbids is a separate adventure that doesn't involve teaming up with Mario. So in this case, a Mario and Donkey Kong teamwork RPG game has great potential, as the movie even shows that a team-up between both works spectacularly.
Likewise, an RPG that involves some lesser-used major characters like Daisy, Wario, and Waluigi (and maybe Toadette and Birdo, but they had the benefit of appearing in an RPG so it's less pressing for them) would be such a treat to me. I admit that on Paper Mario: The Origami King's feedback survey, I even mentioned that I would like to see Daisy appear as a major player in a future Paper Mario game. (To be clear, major player might even just be a non-player role like Peach, just make her have a non-negligible role, unlike Luigi in Sticker Star)
Maybe you might see me listing Daisy and Waluigi as "major characters" and do a double take here. However, I stand by my stance that both of them are major Mario characters. This leads to another unpopular opinion of mine, where I view them with a similar level of prominence as what others would consider as major like Wario and Rosalina. For one, on Nintendo's character portals, both of them have their own profiles, which is not something you see for just about any character (not even Kamek has a profile). Also, the Mario series is not known for canonity, so it's not like how Legend of Zelda dictates which characters are "canon" based on the games they star in; by saying that say, Waluigi, doesn't count because he's not in the main game, it's reinforcing the view that the main games are more canon than spinoffs and thus doesn't align with the lack of canon adherence in the Mario series, when Waluigi is more prominent than many characters in a Super Mario platformer due to his frequent appearances. Of course certain games don't get referenced often like Mario Party, but Mario Kart and sometimes Dr. Mario are plentifully referenced so it's not like spinoffs are off-limits.
(On the note of Boo in the character portal: since Boo is not established as having THE Boo in the same way Yoshi and Toad have THE Yoshi and THE Toad, Boo can't be considered a character as much as it is a species)
Thank you for reading.
Wintertime Peach
King Bowser
Michaeloll said:
I'm not even a Michaeloll fan or supporter, but I have to admit that we have plenty of things in common and we share similar opinions...
Koopa con Carne
Lidl K. Rool
- MarioWiki
- Koopa con Carne
googling who that person is (because i have nothing better to do before bed) led me to the discovery of a fandom wiki dedicated to the friggin' GameFAQs userbase
Wintertime Peach
King Bowser
Michaeloll is the self-proclaimed biggest Princess Daisy fan who resided in GameFAQs around 2012-2016. He would mainly post in the Smash 4 board to try and gather support for Daisy so she could be added in Smash. He was a rather infamous user who got under a lot of people's skin, and I would say that he did the opposite of what he was trying to accomplish. Rather than getting more people to support Daisy's inclusion in Smash, he turned more people off from that character.
He briefly returned to GameFAQs in 2018 and later closed his account that same year. I guess since he got his wish and Daisy was announced as a newcomer for Ultimate, he must've felt that he accomplished his goal.
But yeah, like I said, not a very well-liked dude even by some Daisy fans. As for my opinion on him, I understand the Michaeloll hate, but I will say that he is nowhere near as bad as memoryman3. He's the other infamous Daisy fan who used to even have an account here before he was banned (good riddance). I think he's infinitely worse than Michaeloll and someone who I can actually say I strongly dislike and would have rather never met online.
Now as for what I said about me having plenty of things in common with Michaeloll, let me explain. We're both dudes who prefer the female characters in the Mario and Smash series, we're both big fans of Honey Queen and Tiny Kong, he likes the baby princesses like I do, at one point he even said that he liked Baby Peach better than Baby Daisy which made me respect him a little more. He also likes Pink Gold Peach. We have similar taste in characters and we both like the unpopular female characters, although I don't share his love for Daisy.
As for that post, it was from a topic he made in the Super Mario 3D World board where he made a poll asking which character will you play as the least. Most people responded with Mario, and that post was his response. I do agree with him that Mario is the most boring choice to play as in the spinoff games and Smash, but thinking that he should be removed as a playable character is kind of laughable. Like yes, I do find the Mario brothers to be very boring to play as, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that they shouldn't be playable in Smash.
He briefly returned to GameFAQs in 2018 and later closed his account that same year. I guess since he got his wish and Daisy was announced as a newcomer for Ultimate, he must've felt that he accomplished his goal.
But yeah, like I said, not a very well-liked dude even by some Daisy fans. As for my opinion on him, I understand the Michaeloll hate, but I will say that he is nowhere near as bad as memoryman3. He's the other infamous Daisy fan who used to even have an account here before he was banned (good riddance). I think he's infinitely worse than Michaeloll and someone who I can actually say I strongly dislike and would have rather never met online.
Now as for what I said about me having plenty of things in common with Michaeloll, let me explain. We're both dudes who prefer the female characters in the Mario and Smash series, we're both big fans of Honey Queen and Tiny Kong, he likes the baby princesses like I do, at one point he even said that he liked Baby Peach better than Baby Daisy which made me respect him a little more. He also likes Pink Gold Peach. We have similar taste in characters and we both like the unpopular female characters, although I don't share his love for Daisy.
As for that post, it was from a topic he made in the Super Mario 3D World board where he made a poll asking which character will you play as the least. Most people responded with Mario, and that post was his response. I do agree with him that Mario is the most boring choice to play as in the spinoff games and Smash, but thinking that he should be removed as a playable character is kind of laughable. Like yes, I do find the Mario brothers to be very boring to play as, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that they shouldn't be playable in Smash.
