Unpopular opinions about the Mario series

Pokerninja2

Goomba
Not surprising that Super Mario RPG hasn't aged all that well, considering it's the series' first take on the genre. At least its successors improved on the formula.

The villains are still cool tho
 

Doctor Healmore

Shine Sprite
Poll Committee
The thing is that pretty much everything about Super Mario RPG is great except the actual game itself. The story and characters are great, but the platforming sucks, the battles suck, and the areas suck. There's a good reason Super Mario RPG is my least favorite of the RPGs.

I'd love to see a remake of the game, as many of the game's flaws are there solely because of its age, but I also know that a remake will never happen because Stingy Square. Shame, too; had it been released on better hardware it could have been a genuinely great game.
 

Pokerninja2

Goomba
The thing is that pretty much everything about Super Mario RPG is great except the actual game itself. The story and characters are great, but the platforming sucks, the battles suck, and the areas suck. There's a good reason Super Mario RPG is my least favorite of the RPGs.

I'd love to see a remake of the game, as many of the game's flaws are there solely because of its age, but I also know that a remake will never happen because Stingy Square. Shame, too; had it been released on better hardware it could have been a genuinely great game.
I feel ditching the whole isometric angle they were going for and streamlining it with the rest of the RPGs would go a long way to fix a lot of its clunkiness. For the most part you're moving in diagonal angles, which is harder than moving in the cardinal directions like you can in Paper Mario or Mario & Luigi, especially when platforming gets involved.

Also bring back Big Yoshi while you're at it. Give him the spotlight he deserves!
 
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Wittgenstein

TLW-728 Supercomputer Prototype
Yeah the gameplay is the main reason I still haven't finished the game. I think I was spoiled by PM:TTYD being my first Mario RPG, but idk the gameplay in SMRPG is a bit primitive in comparison. The story, characters, and designs are great and I agree a remake would be great. I think the Dream Team engine would be a perfect fit for a SMRPG remake, though since the 3DS is dead it might need to be rebuilt for the Switch.
 

ArthurEngine

Blooper
Here are some more.

-Super Mario 3D Land wasn't that great. It felt like a wasted opportunity to bring back Sarasaland, especially considering I was hoping it would be a 3D remake of Super Mario Land hence the title.

-Scott Burns' Bowser voice > Kenny James' Bowser voice.

-Mario Kart 64 didn't age that well. It did have great music, but the graphics and gameplay feel outdated.
 
It's too easy and short and Geno is so effing overrated and ugly and Booster and Valentina are the only good things about it and Culex was the only real challenge

However I'm not a diehard prolific RPG fanatic so maybe I'm wrong
 

winstein

Justice is not limited, it is a universal quality
About Super Mario RPG, it's fascinating to see that support for Geno is the strongest in Smash, as opposed to the Mario series where you don't see a lot of fans of that character. From what I seen, Geno is just a minor character in the grand scheme of things, appearing in only one spin-off game. Even a derivative of a major character that appeared once (Mr. L) has more support than Geno here. I mean, if you ignore Smash (there is a thread in Smash Boards where Geno has the most posts), what kind of support is there for Geno, and how much are there?

I don't know if you will ever see a lot of pushback on Mario Kart 64 not aging well, because for all intents and purposes the earlier Mario Kart games are not known for their looks, since Mario Kart 8 is when Mario Kart truly looked phenomenal. In fact, the game's use of billboarding (use of 2D sprites in a 3D environment) makes the characters look unnatural. Plus, each track is pretty narrow compared to newer Mario Kart games.

Thank you for reading.
 

Pokerninja2

Goomba
About Super Mario RPG, it's fascinating to see that support for Geno is the strongest in Smash, as opposed to the Mario series where you don't see a lot of fans of that character. From what I seen, Geno is just a minor character in the grand scheme of things, appearing in only one spin-off game. Even a derivative of a major character that appeared once (Mr. L) has more support than Geno here. I mean, if you ignore Smash (there is a thread in Smash Boards where Geno has the most posts), what kind of support is there for Geno, and how much are there?

I don't know if you will ever see a lot of pushback on Mario Kart 64 not aging well, because for all intents and purposes the earlier Mario Kart games are not known for their looks, since Mario Kart 8 is when Mario Kart truly looked phenomenal. In fact, the game's use of billboarding (use of 2D sprites in a 3D environment) makes the characters look unnatural. Plus, each track is pretty narrow compared to newer Mario Kart games.

Thank you for reading.
You probably don't see a lot of love for Geno here since there's no real way he can make a comeback outside of Smash or a Super Mario RPG remake / sequel. It's not like the RPG characters are being used for Mario Kart.

Which imo would be fantastic if they were included since the RPGs hold some of the franchise's most interesting characters and it's a shame that they're one-and-done, but that's neither here nor there.
 

winstein

Justice is not limited, it is a universal quality
You probably don't see a lot of love for Geno here since there's no real way he can make a comeback outside of Smash or a Super Mario RPG remake / sequel. It's not like the RPG characters are being used for Mario Kart.

Which imo would be fantastic if they were included since the RPGs hold some of the franchise's most interesting characters and it's a shame that they're one-and-done, but that's neither here nor there.
And even then, it's interesting because Geno is literally a one-and-done character since he possessed a doll at one point and then departed from it in the same game, whereas Mallow has never disappeared. Still, Mallow is the unpopular of the two despite having more potential to appear in the future.

The comparison between the RPG characters and two regulars who debuted in a spin-off game (Waluigi and Toadette) is interesting, because those two were made with the intention of being reused in future games, and they certainly were more productive compared to the likes of most RPG characters whose purpose is literally made for the game they were introduced in (some like Fawful, the Star Spirits and especially Baby Peach were luckier).

Thank you for reading.
 

Mcmadness

The idiot who puts things in the wrong board.
Must. Not. Start. Argument.
 

Speedrunner Mario

The Ultimate Speedrunner
I'll start it for you.

Mr. L is a personification of Luigi's very small dark side. If the dark side were to be removed, Mr. L would be a separate entity. If Nintendo thinks of that, Mr. L can be reused in the future.

As for Geno, he's a no-hope-er. He is literally a doll possessed by (what I assume is) an angel. The only reason that he exists is that some little kid's Barbie Doll got chose by an angel to be a host. I don't get why so many people like him. He's just a Barbie Doll.
 
Idk why but for some reason me thinks RPG characters would be really unfitting as characters appearing regularly in games as though they were part of the main cast.
 

Dr. Eggman

I am the enemy, I will succeed
I'll start it for you.

Mr. L is a personification of Luigi's very small dark side. If the dark side were to be removed, Mr. L would be a separate entity. If Nintendo thinks of that, Mr. L can be reused in the future.

As for Geno, he's a no-hope-er. He is literally a doll possessed by (what I assume is) an angel. The only reason that he exists is that some little kid's Barbie Doll got chose by an angel to be a host. I don't get why so many people like him. He's just a Barbie Doll.
bias
 

Doctor Healmore

Shine Sprite
Poll Committee
As for Geno, he's a no-hope-er. He is literally a doll possessed by (what I assume is) an angel. The only reason that he exists is that some little kid's Barbie Doll got chose by an angel to be a host. I don't get why so many people like him. He's just a Barbie Doll.
That's...a very dumb reason to dislike a character, tbh. It's not the doll people like. It's the spirit that took the body of the doll and temporarily used the name of the doll. Not the doll itself.

But even then, while I still like Geno, I just find Mallow to be the better character. His character development throughout the story is far more noticeable, he had a pretty tragic backstory (resolved near the end of the game, too!), and he has more dialogue than any other partner in the game.

Geno gets...an insane amount of attention to say the least, especially considering his rather low amount of dialogue and character development. Prime example of a character that isn't bad, but is still incredibly overrated.
 

winstein

Justice is not limited, it is a universal quality
Perhaps the huge rallying of support for Geno being playable in Smash has caused some misconception on how important Geno actually is in the grand scheme of things. I mean yes, it's true that Sakurai has mentioned his interest in Geno and that Super Mario RPG is a game many people liked, but Geno is really an inactive part of Mario's cast of characters (and one that is apparently on the Square side of the character rights divide). It's not like Rosalina who only appeared in a handful of games prior to Smash, but managed to stick around in a more significant manner around the Smash time (for example, she stuck around as playable in every Mario Party since 10).

That reminds me of how Miyamoto mentioned his reason for preferring a flexible timeline where game sequence doesn't matter, as restricting the timeline also restricts the role of a character. In this case, Geno's only reason to be alive was that the game's plot was unresolved, and once the Smithy threat is over there's no reason for him to live on. Mallow may have a bit of restriction but it's a far more loose case since he is still alive by the game's end (and the player first encountered him in the same game anyway).

I wouldn't be surprised if between Mallow and Geno, and Nintendo could keep either one for their own use, Mallow is the most likely pick for better adaptability. On the other hand I could see that Geno would probably be picked only because he's the clear fan-favourite between the two despite making less sense for him to return.

Thank you for reading.
 

Pokerninja2

Goomba
Realistically speaking if one of the two is gonna be in Smash, it's Geno.

Not just because he's the fan-favorite and Ultimate has given us a bunch of fan-favorites already but because Sakurai has said he wanted Geno in the roster not once, but twice. Not many candidates can say that.
 
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