Would you like a T-rated Mario game?

FirePuppy

Goomba
I know that virtually all Super Mario games are either rated E or E10+, in the case of Super Mario Odyssey, but would a T rated Mario game be in your favor? If so, what would it be?
 

10000 Needles

Koopa Troopa
I don't think there's any reason Mario would need to be more "mature." The only possible scenario where I would want that is if for some reason they made a game adaptation of the garbage live-action movie. In which case: go full on M.
 

Mcmadness

The idiot who puts things in the wrong board.
Super Paper Mario should've been rated T imo.
There is nothing in it remotely making it worthy of that rating.

To answer the topic question, absolutely not. Mario's philosophy is for anyone of any age and the only reason why some of the games get an E10 rating is due to weird laws about cartoon violence.
 

Starfire

Alien superhero princess
Super Paper Mario should've been rated T imo.
Oh my god yes

Murder-suicide, omnicidalism, existential nihilism, psychopathy, immortal rulers of heaven and hell giving up their only daughter to suffer eternal misery, dying wishes of a robotic dragon, generations of ancient beings sacrificing everything to allow the future to survive, xenophobia, watching an innocent anime girl reveal herself as an evil shapeshifter before cracking her neck to turn into a giant robot spider, the creepy music, going to hell and meeting Satan, being dragged into a river of undead souls by immortal white gloved hands as you hear them screaming in the background.

...and that is what makes SPM my favourite game of all time.


Back to the main point, well, you know me 😉
 

Wicked Clown-nak

Too Fat to Release
Oh my god yes

Murder-suicide, omnicidalism, existential nihilism, psychopathy, immortal rulers of heaven and hell giving up their only daughter to suffer eternal misery, dying wishes of a robotic dragon, generations of ancient beings sacrificing everything to allow the future to survive, xenophobia, watching an innocent anime girl reveal herself as an evil shapeshifter before cracking her neck to turn into a giant robot spider, the creepy music, going to hell and meeting Satan, being dragged into a river of undead souls by immortal white gloved hands as you hear them screaming in the background.

...and that is what makes SPM my favourite game of all time.


Back to the main point, well, you know me 😉
This is pretty much why I think it deserved that rating. Mature themes don't always have to be graphically in-your-face (imo explicit violence, gore and sexual shit is the most shallow way to increase a rating). And if a game like SPM could get a T rating today then yes, sign me up for a T-rated Mario game. I want the rating to be higher from heavy plot themes and writing though, not from graphical explicitness.
 

Princess Mario

✨Mushroom Kingdom's fabulously glittery plumber✨
HOLD YOUR YOSHIS I just realized, we DO have a 12+ Mario game. TWO of them actually.

This one and that one.

I blame Luigi. That squinty eyed menace.

E10 is such a redundant rating.
It used to make sense when Donkey Konga had some lyrics and Super Smash Bros. and Mario Strikers Charged were a little TOO violent for E but not violent enough for T, but it's been applied to games like Mario & Luigi: Dream Team (but not Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam; AND Dream Team used to be E) and Super Mario Odyssey (and it's rated B in Japan rather than A), and probably every major recent Kirby game I think.
 

Redshift

Enjoying dinners at 9:00 PM
This is pretty much why I think it deserved that rating. Mature themes don't always have to be graphically in-your-face (imo explicit violence, gore and sexual shit is the most shallow way to increase a rating). And if a game like SPM could get a T rating today then yes, sign me up for a T-rated Mario game. I want the rating to be higher from heavy plot themes and writing though, not from graphical explicitness.
To be fair, most if not all of the aforementioned themes in MiracleDinner's post can be found in your average classical Disney movie (even including a River of Styx-like setting (Hercules) and the Devil himself (Fantasia)).

Also, games that typically get a T or M rating are types of games that are aiming to sell to an older audience anyway, so they're more likely to aim for themes in T-rating games to begin with, one example of a game being Metroid Prime. Games like Left 4 Dead 2 and Doom want to be M-rated anyway, as it's much more satisfying seeing the gore spew out of zombies and other baddies when you do them in.

It really depends on the context. Though for some reason, Shadow the Hedgehog is an example of a game that wants to be edgy to get a T rating but still got stuck with an E10+ one with out of nowhere guns, darker themes, and mild swearing.

I think if Mario were to get a T-rating, like my sister said, probably be from rhythm games due to lyrics, like Donkey Konga did.



By the way, if you want the worst possible example of a game unfairly getting a higher rating because of "cheap" themes, look no further than the Russian rating for Miitopia.



It's 18+ in Russia, because of sensitive reactionary snowflakes who get their panties in a twist over the thought of same-sex relationships existing as a normal thing.
 
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Princess Mario

✨Mushroom Kingdom's fabulously glittery plumber✨
You'll be surprised how agencies treat swearing worse than violence in terms of age ratings.
 

Bowser II

Just like the first one, except better.
Words that are perceived as bad literally only because we give them that meaning? Completely unacceptable.

Explosions? Gore? Brutal and detailed murder? Yeah that's fine.

I don't think video games cause violence. However, I don't think it's good to give your 10-year-old a game where they can stab someone to death in graphic detail. Obviously I'm exaggerating a bit here, cause a game like that wouldn't be E10+. But the principle still stands.
 

Princess Mario

✨Mushroom Kingdom's fabulously glittery plumber✨
I agree too but you might be surprised at how there are some PG movies that have more violence than an R movies, so I imagine it can't be horribly different for the rating agencies for video games

I love this particular quip (in bold) from a study that questioned the CARA rating board

In terms of the content descriptors, we found numerous glaring contradictions that were also identified in a recent study by Thompson and Yokota.14 For instance, when objectionable language was identified as the primary factor (which it most often was in PG and PG-13 films), violence levels were as high as those rated for violence. In addition, it was surprising to find that 5 PG films that were rated primarily for language had ≥14 violent acts. Likewise, in the R category, several films that were rated principally for language were saturated with violence. We understand this to mean that for the CARA rating board, transgressions of the norms governing speech decorum are more offensive than violence.
 

Princess of Tennis

the one that hearts a lot
It's funny in the sad kind of way.
In some cases it can make sense if the swears have oppressive connotations,
but then there's swears like "fuck" and "shit" that don't really do anything other than express anger.
I suppose in these cases it becomes, how is the swear being used. Did someone stub their toe, or are they being abusive towards another person? Except, the rating system doesn't seem to care how it's being used, they only care if it's being used at all, for the reason Lefty mentions.
 

Rinka Hayami

Koops, King of cowards.
I'd be down for it. Hell I'm almost reaching M territory myself in terms of age so I say I'm cool with it.

This is pretty much why I think it deserved that rating. Mature themes don't always have to be graphically in-your-face (imo explicit violence, gore and sexual shit is the most shallow way to increase a rating). And if a game like SPM could get a T rating today then yes, sign me up for a T-rated Mario game. I want the rating to be higher from heavy plot themes and writing though, not from graphical explicitness.
I honestly kinda disagree. Unless they'rr blatantly shown, concepts like that tend to go over a kid's head. Maybe I'm just basing myself on personal experience here but I'm gonna on a limb and say that indirectly talking about something like, say, genocide, sure, it sounds bad, but the more you grow up, the more you start to think deeper on these things. When you're a kid, you tend to dismiss it as just some kind of tragedy that you as the hero have to stop. You don't take into account everything that goes into what actually makes it that bad. Me right now am way too terrified now of things I thought trivial at the time. As you mature, you start really dissecting the meaning of various things, and that may just uncover things you don't want to know at all. At least that's what I think. If you want a game rated high, it has to show stuff.

Then again I'm not the guy who gives ratings to games. Some rating companies may be stingy with the stuff they do, so Idk. Just my opinion.
 

10000 Needles

Koopa Troopa
Most of the time violence in media is
Except, the rating system doesn't seem to care how it's being used, they only care if it's being used at all, for the reason Lefty mentions.
Because a child wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Kids aren't great at nuance. Controlling your language is part of being an adult. While swearing doesn't hurt anyone, that doesn't mean there aren't any sort of consequences to just running your mouth unfiltered. In most cases violence in media is in a situation that's far enough removed from normal life that it's not really comparable. Most of us aren't going to end up in a sword fight, or in a car chase after robbing a bank, etc. It's very likely that a child will get frustrated with their teacher, peers, and family, and later in life their boss, clients, and coworkers. You'll deal with the temptation of telling someone to fuck themselves a lot more than you'll deal with the urge to go on a killing spree.

Obviously real world violence is worse than swearing, but it's not unreasonable for people to care what kind of language their kids are exposed to.
 

JoeRunner

Enough said.
HOLD YOUR YOSHIS I just realized, we DO have a 12+ Mario game. TWO of them actually.

This one and that one.

I blame Luigi. That squinty eyed menace.
This is late, but those are rated higher because, like, two of the minigames have gambling elements (the same minigames as well, since they appear in both SM64DS and NSMB). The original releases didn't even have those ratings - they were applied after the games' releases. It's sort of stupid

but probably also Luigi had something to do with it
 

Princess Mario

✨Mushroom Kingdom's fabulously glittery plumber✨
This is late, but those are rated higher because, like, two of the minigames have gambling elements (the same minigames as well, since they appear in both SM64DS and NSMB). The original releases didn't even have those ratings - they were applied after the games' releases. It's sort of stupid

but probably also Luigi had something to do with it
Yeah I think they're overreacting to the whole gambling thing. I mean we just had two Mario games this year that's gambling, but if you want your T-rated Mario game, just put casino minigames in there.
 

JoeRunner

Enough said.
(well, they actually weren't T they were E10 plus)
 
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