Super Smash Bros. for Wii U & 3DS Discussion

[MoonAge]

please let this true

I'd pay $10 just to get shovel knight, /please/

 

[Baby Mario Bloops]

Tournaments have more power and sway in the community than a few bitter people on a message board. They're treating it as its own game.

The community doesn't decide what is a game and what is not.

That's like saying that if a fan-fiction is popular enough, it is it's own story, even though it is not published nor is it created by the people that created what was the origin behind that fan-fiction.

Project M is a very popular Modded version of Super Smash Bros. Brawl that is used in unofficial tournaments because it runs better in a tournament setting. Heck, even the creators of Project M call it a mod made by the community to make a smoother, better gameplay version of Brawl.

With all due respect, if you're referring to all the people on here "bitter" just because you're trying to argue the reasons why you feel that PM is it's own game without even refuting the arguments as to why it is not a game, then I believe you need to re-think your entire stance before trying to insult a bunch of people.

 

[GalacticPetey]

sto·ry1
ˈstôrē/
noun
1.
an account of imaginary or real people and events told for entertainment.
"an adventure story"

A fan fiction is by definition a story, even though it's based on something else. By what you're saying, a sequel shouldn't count because it requires an earlier story to exist.

What makes Project M stand on its own is the community. I'm not insulting anyone. You're getting upset over something trivial. By some technicality it may not fit the traditional sense of a "game" but it has such a fan base that it is, for all intents and purposes, its own thing.

I'm done with this discussion. I made my point clear awhile ago but others insisted on dragging this out. This is a Smash 4 thread.

 

[Baby Mario Bloops]

If you are done, then I respect that, but I just want to set it straight that a lot of people were arguing over the fact that it does not qualify it as a game and instead as a mod due to the fact that it dependent on Brawl in order to exist, meaning that there has to be a Brawl file to make it it's own game, thus why people are calling it a mod and not it's own game. It is not published/approved by the creators, so if we are to consider it a game, it is simply a unofficial fan-game. I don't want you to mix up or twist my/their words into believing something I/they did not say.

 

[Xiahou Ba]

Tournaments have more power and sway in the community than a few bitter people on a message board. They're treating it as its own game.

Those "few bitter people" you're talking about (me) know how Project M modifies game data and how it runs. I'm not even bitter, lol, I have nothing but praise for Project M, since I do understand the effort that goes into making the mod, and that it's an ungodly amount of times better than vanilla Brawl. It's ---ing hard work. However, I do know its limitations; hell, the limitations confined by Brawl's current engine is also another element into why it cannot be its own game.

But whatever, I don't want to drag this out any more. We can go debate in the Project M thread instead.

As for the topic at hand, mmmm don't be surprised if Shovel Knight comes in :]

 

[Xiahou Dun]

Tournaments run it as a separate event and under a different name. It's its own game.

Oh yes, the almighty tournaments. I'm sure that having a modded game played there makes it completely official, even though it's still dependent on having a Brawl disc in it. I am so sorry that I even underestimated the merits of Project M and that if it appears in a tournament that it automatically makes it a game. Nope, has nothing to do with it just being a popular modded game that it's a lot easier to label it by itself than having to draw out things to people that already know about it.

That sarcastic attitude came out of nowhere. Don't resort to that when you're arguing with someone who disagrees with you.

Tournaments have more power and sway in the community than a few bitter people on a message board. They're treating it as its own game.

Tournaments don't decide whenever a game is a standalone, at least as far as I know. As Stargazing pointed out, they separate Project M from vBarlw in tourneys because its gameplay and following is different enough. They don't say "we host Meele, 64, Barlw/Project M", they deliberately separate Project M for convenience. Its dependency on Brawl's engine makes it a mod. Finally, having a tourney following by itself isn't the difference between a mod and full-fledged game. It has no bearing on the game structure itself.

If tournies do insist that Project M is a separate game, then they're misleading people and I'll continue criticizing them for that. Sure, they're an authority figure, but a flawed argument is a flawed argument.

Project M isn't the only tourney option anyway. Brawl- has its own niche following in tournies as well, but people usually don't bring it up in discussions pertaining to their favorite Smash Bros. game. Would you consider Brawl- a separate game?

I'm done with this discussion. I made my point clear awhile ago but others insisted on dragging this out. This is a Smash 4 thread.

Not like your point was very strong, and we pointed out the flaws in your points. Don't be surprised that you think it's just "dragging it out".