Super Smash Bros. for Wii U & 3DS Discussion

[Lee Chaolan]

well i for one think its really cool how theyre bringing back old school samus, and its pretty neat how theyre including pretty much all her different suits
if they brought back the bikini from the very first metroid then yea i mean obviously thatd be kinda dumb but this is just her in a 2 piece that isnt even revealing or anything.

i always wondered though, does she still have those chozo markings on her back or is that only for her zero suit? cause in fusion shes like this when she has her back turned

At least it looks like she's better dressed there.

 

[Contra(dictory)]

Yes how dare I get mad at this. How dare I question the design choices, regardless of the gender of the person who did this.

yo I'm just saying I think you're overreacting

it's no big fucking deal, and if it was I'm wondering where you've been the past twenty years Samus has been shown off in various outfits for fanservice

what act of grand evil is a woman wearing clothes that reveal her midriff and legs? is Samus wearing something less revealing than a common swimsuit reversing all progress women have made in society?

 

[Crackin355]

Are you trying to say that they put the same amount of effort replacing suit with skin and making the leftover suit textures look like they did in the Zero Mission end screen as they did making Male and Female WFT different? lol okay, sure.

They put the same amount of effort making this costume as they did with murica mario and skyward sword clothes link. The skin stretches in that picture just like her suit does, it seriously just looks like they reskinned her to look like she does.

I know what I'm talking about because I had 3D modeling experience: some aspects on her are way too complex to be mere texture alterations such as different topometry on her legs, where the socks are. Possibly some of her details such as the wrinkles are a result of a bump map, if possible, or it could be a completely different polygon. Either way, you also need to create new textures. Zero Mission is a GB game anyway, so it uses sprites, therefore, you need to either make a new texture or alter the existing one and if you DO alter the existing one, it's not a mere edit but a complete overhaul of it, by the looks of. Plus you might need to remap the UVs as well.

Wii Fit Trainer uses more simple single color textures and Male Wii Fit Trainer seems to use the same or similar stature, as well as similar mapping. He looks like a vertex edit. A well made one regardless but still, I think it takes as much effort to make this than this Zero Suit Samus.

Whereas, America Mario is ONLY a texture change, there seems to be zero vertex alterations on his model compared to the base. Skyward Sword Link also appears to be a retexture as well, as with maybe a new polygon or two.

Hmm, those are some good points so I'll agree with you. I still don't think they seriously put too much effort into this though (more than WFT as you said, but much less than Lucina who was originally going to be just a costume), whereas something like adding a helmetless power suit would kind of make her bulky/alter hitboxes and we already have regular Samus for power suit related things.

Though imagine if they did add this, that'd be hilarious.

 

[Xiahou Ba]

Yes how dare I get mad at this. How dare I question the design choices, regardless of the gender of the person who did this.

yo I'm just saying I think you're overreacting

it's no big *bleep*ing deal, and if it was I'm wondering where you've been the past twenty years Samus has been shown off in various outfits for fanservice

what act of grand evil is a woman wearing clothes that reveal her midriff and legs? is Samus wearing something less revealing than a common swimsuit reversing all progress women have made in society?

As I said earlier, I can tolerate Zero Suit Samus being in a jumpsuit. I'm not going on some evil propaganda to petition for the removal of this, that's plain insane. A little fanservice here and there won't be a GAME DESTROYING thing, it's just that...that's where I draw the line.

I'm sorry, but female sexualization like this just....turns me off. I cringe at it. I can't help it. I mean I would definitely love to maybe at least tolerate it but sexualization of any kind has a natural tendency to make me cringe. Yes, including male sexualization. And no, I am ignorant of how this is actually canonical design, but I asked before....can't they use something ELSE for Zero Suit Samus? I mean, the base suit is already sexy and all, but can't they do something else for people who don't really like this as an option?

The problem is that I don't see any male humanoid fighter wearing a scantily dressed outfit (excluding Little Mac, but he's a boxer, so that's understandable) and I find it off to be fighting in barely any clothing. I'm talking about humans of course, so nonhumanoid creatures like Donkey Kong don't count.

Maybe I DID overreact. Perhaps once I've grown into it I'll be less disgusted. Still, it's not like I'll get over this and stay neutral about it.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

Yes how dare I get mad at this. How dare I question the design choices, regardless of the gender of the person who did this.

yo I'm just saying I think you're overreacting

it's no big *bleep*ing deal, and if it was I'm wondering where you've been the past twenty years Samus has been shown off in various outfits for fanservice

what act of grand evil is a woman wearing clothes that reveal her midriff and legs? is Samus wearing something less revealing than a common swimsuit reversing all progress women have made in society?

1. This is Smash, not Metroid
2. The Midriff and legs aren't the problem. The model, on the other hand, is.