Unpopular opinions about the Mario series

Pokerninja2

Goomba
My favorite interpretation of Bowser is the one in Paper Mario, who manages to be both threatening and have some real funny dialogue. Though Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story also handled Bowser's personality and playable role really well imo.
 

Jolly DönerMax

Super Smashed Brother
I think Mario Party did Bowser best, though he's legit pretty threatening in Mario Party 4.
 

Mcmadness

The idiot who puts things in the wrong board.
My favorite interpretation of Bowser is the one in Paper Mario, who manages to be both threatening and have some real funny dialogue.
That's also the only time in Paper Mario he's actually been worth a crap. TTYD I find myself wondering why he's there as he contributes nothing to the plot and SPM he's just all around terrible.

And SS and CS he is just his usual "not seen till the very end" self. Nothing all that notable.
 

ChristmasDinner

The Red-Nosed Dayzee
chapter 5 is the worst whatyousaying.
The only bad part of Ch5 imo was the block puzzle in 5-1 which you can skip by looking up the code.

Personally my favourite presentation of Bowser is Bowser's Inside Story since he's epic and funny and you get to explore his body.

SPM comes second because he wasn't that epic but he was abolutely hilarious.
 

Mcmadness

The idiot who puts things in the wrong board.
DT Bowser is pretty great too especially when he double-crosses Antasma and absorbs the power of the Dream Stone.
Couldn't have happened to a blander villain too.
 

Mcmadness

The idiot who puts things in the wrong board.
Not surprising, after all the tutorials it was the most debated part of the game.
 

ChristmasDinner

The Red-Nosed Dayzee
No I'm saying that I'm annoyed that I saw an internet spoiler about Bowser and Antasma but that was before I read your post so don't worry.

I mean I can't stop people from discussing sensitive information about games anywhere on SM boards but if it's clearly a discussion involving someone who hasn't played it then I'd take a bit of care.

Oh right forgot the use of spoiler tags. How do you use them?
 

Merry Fiora

Koops, King of cowards.
You can just type the word spoiler between square brakets [like so] and close the spoiler [/like so], except you type spoiler instead of "like so".

Ok, unpopular opinion time...

I agree that TTYD is a game that deserves a lot of praise, and I agree with the fact that it's a pretty good game.

But what makes the game so good is not at all the story. NOT AT ALL. It's no terrible story, mind you, but... it's not exactly what I'd call a story to shatter the earth and sky, really. If anything, it borrows a lot from its predecessor and many times, it feels to me like it's being a bit too "epic" for my tastes. The ONLY. I repeat, ONLY thing that makes this game really as enjoyable as it is to me is the gameplay.

Also, I can't stress it enough, the party members needed to have some dialogue together, instead of acting like Mario's braindead bodyguards. I mean, I shouldn't bring FE into this but it was made by the same company as specifically Paper Mario and it has a mechanic that lets your characters interact, and they should've made use of it somehow here. The only character that I fealt really got some development was Vivian, really. And all she has is starting out on the enemy side.

So yeah. TTYD's real claim to fame in my opinion is pretty much its core gameplay, mainly the battle system. The bosses are pretty good.
 

ChristmasDinner

The Red-Nosed Dayzee
Nah the story was great. I prefer SPM's, but given how shallow most Mario games are, I'm glad to see an epic quest to a treasure in an ancient underground city, which:

Turns out to be an almighty ancient demon who kills Grodus and possesses Peach so you have to use the Crystal stars to stop her overthrowing the world

As for the partners I sort of agree with you in that they did not have enough dialogue together but they were still very relateable and they made me feel like the adventure had a sense of progress and familiarity.

I actually played this game before Paper Mario 1 which I still haven't played.
 

Mcmadness

The idiot who puts things in the wrong board.
You can just type the word spoiler between square brakets [like so] and close the spoiler [/like so], except you type spoiler instead of "like so".

Ok, unpopular opinion time...

I agree that TTYD is a game that deserves a lot of praise, and I agree with the fact that it's a pretty good game.

But what makes the game so good is not at all the story. NOT AT ALL. It's no terrible story, mind you, but... it's not exactly what I'd call a story to shatter the earth and sky, really. If anything, it borrows a lot from its predecessor and many times, it feels to me like it's being a bit too "epic" for my tastes. The ONLY. I repeat, ONLY thing that makes this game really as enjoyable as it is to me is the gameplay.

Also, I can't stress it enough, the party members needed to have some dialogue together, instead of acting like Mario's braindead bodyguards. I mean, I shouldn't bring FE into this but it was made by the same company as specifically Paper Mario and it has a mechanic that lets your characters interact, and they should've made use of it somehow here. The only character that I fealt really got some development was Vivian, really. And all she has is starting out on the enemy side.

So yeah. TTYD's real claim to fame in my opinion is pretty much its core gameplay, mainly the battle system. The bosses are pretty good.
You can't even call it opinion, it's a fact that this game's story is really nothing special by the rpg genre standards.
 

Merry Fiora

Koops, King of cowards.
I mean everyone seems to mainly praise it for its story so I thought it was justified to post that here.
 

ChristmasDinner

The Red-Nosed Dayzee
I know I'm not denying anyone the right not to be entertained by TTYD's story I'm saying why I am and that even without my personal bias it is a deep plot for a Mario game.
 

Luma

WoOOOoo!!
But the partners do get unique dialogue throughout the game when talking to both main & side npc's. They do go through their whole plot development though on their own specific chapters that is true (except the above mentioned Vivian who sort of has plot multi-chapter), but there is some variant in npc chats depending on which partner you have out.
 

Merry Fiora

Koops, King of cowards.
Even then you have to have them out so they do that which sucks. If you just stick to one guy no one else is ever gonna talk. Not that this talking adds to their character. It's pretty much "This is X partner talking".
 

Mcmadness

The idiot who puts things in the wrong board.
I mostly just kept goombella out regardless. I found her to be the most practical partner.
 

Santa Claws

Rebel with a Cause
Poll Committee
I mostly just kept goombella out regardless. I found her to be the most practical partner.
Finally, someone agrees. I've always felt that enemy tattles are an indispensable tool for new enemies, and that field tattles are an important part of the game's overall personality. The other partners always felt more like situational tools than actual characters (although at least it's not as bad as SPM, where they're all situational tools with no personality).

And to clarify, I hold the same opinion of Goombario from PM1 compared to the other partners.
 

ChristmasDinner

The Red-Nosed Dayzee
where they're all situational tools with no personality
I said earlier, the pixls barring Tippi are NOT your real partners, Peach Bowser Tippi and Luigi ARE. I always found these partners much more relatable, emotional, and charming than those in TTYD, and better suited to the game's plotline. I especially praise Tippi's development as she regains her memory and

finds herself in a very difficult emotional dilemma surrounding Blumiere, but eventually forgives him for all his evil and still holds him dear to her in her heart. Also the sacrifices that Peach, Bowser, and Luigi make over the course of Chapter 8 finally to be ended by Bowser yelling "You never give up this easy when you attack MY castle!"

It was very humorous also to see Bowser set aside his differences and voluntarily work with Mario, Luigi, and Peach, the last of which he still calls his wife. Also this is in a relative minority of Mario games which places Peach in an active role, as well as the only Paper Mario game to do so I believe.

At the very least I am almost certain it is better than Sticker Star, which although i haven't played, I know from several internet sources that it only has one partner, Kersti, whom most people seem to hate.
 
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Merry Fiora

Koops, King of cowards.
I actually think the Pixls were better character wise than the actual partners.

At least by looking at a Pixl you don't expect them to have a personality.
 

ChristmasDinner

The Red-Nosed Dayzee
They did have cool personalities but the sheer lack of dialogue they had prevented them from being anywhere near the same level as those from TTYD or Peach+Bowser+Luigi+Tippi from SPM.

I haven't played PM64 but I'm optimistic for the partners in there.

Sticker Star and Color Splash on the other hand....
🤬😡🥵😥😱😰😨😭😤😠
 

Santa Claws

Rebel with a Cause
Poll Committee
Sticker Star and Color Splash on the other hand....
🤬😡🥵😥😱😰😨😭😤😠
You might not like Kersti but don't throw Color Splash into that lump because Huey is a genuinely great character.

Also you give SPM's partners too much credit, all main party members except Tippi were pre-established characters with personalities already set in stone. Tippi has some pretty great character development but she's really the only one.
 
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