Smash Bros. Character/Roster Merit
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Yeah, if "Toad" has any chance of ever becoming a playable, even though I don't care for him, it'll be under the guise of Captain Toad who's been around pretty much since Sunshine (he wasn't Captain Toad then, but whatever).
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I keep forgetting to research Ghirahim and Impa a little more. So I'm going to have to save them, Shulk, and Dixie for next week. But this time I thought I'd put a roster merit ranking for each game with only the characters that debuted from that game.
1. Mario
2. Donkey Kong
3. Link
4. Kirby
5. Pikachu
6. Samus
7. Fox
8. Captain Falcon
9. Ness
10. Yoshi
11. Luigi
12. Jigglypuff
Reasoning: Mario as Nintendo's flagship character will always be #1 Merit in both Smash 64's Merit and all-time. There is not debate on that even if there are a few characters that have been in Smash that are older then Mario. The merit is based on their merit towards Nintendo. The ranking also bases on new franchises + unique movesets. It's also slightly based on how long the character has existed. Donkey Kong is #2 because of the original Donkey Kong game where both him and Mario debuted in. Also while Jigglypuff had a more unique moveset then Luigi, Luigi's existence was far longer and him and Jigglypuff are the only characters in Smash 64 that aren't the 1 rep of their franchise. Yoshi is below Captain Falcon and Ness because of his Sub-Series status. Also don't fret too much about Jigglypuff being last, as I really have come to like Jigglypuff over the years. She's just the closest to being the odd one out when everyone else in Smash 64 each are no-brainer excellent meritable inclusions. I certainly like her more then what are my least favorite inclusions of the other 3 games thus far
1. Mr. Game and Watch
2. Bowser
3. Peach
4. Zelda
5. Mewtwo
6. Marth
7. Falco
8. Ice Climbers
9. Ganondorf
10. Young Link
11. Roy
12. Pichu
13. Dr. Mario
Reasoning: Game & Watch is actually the most meritable inclusion of Melee's newcomers as a rep of Nintendo gaming that predates Mario. That doesn't make his merit bigger then Mario's. But nonetheless the Game & Watch era perhaps helping Nintendo rise to where they could make Mario later on gives him huge credit and I think he has the honor of the most deserving of the Melee newcomers. From there it's no brainers that most of the other unique newcomers that came out from Melee are all in places #2-#6 while the rest I already explained about in the first time I went over Melee. Ganondorf would be around where Zelda is if it weren't for the fact he was just a slower, stronger Captain Falcon.
1. Sonic
2. King Dedede
3. Wario
4. Diddy Kong
5. Pokemon Trainer
6. Ike
7. Meta Knight
8. Pit
9. Olimar
10. Snake
11. ROB
12. Wolf
13. Lucario
14. Lucas
15. Toon Link
Reasoning: I am a lil' iffy on putting Sonic on top because I do feel that might be a slight bias thing on my part. But there is the fact that Sonic was once Mario's biggest competition in early 90's. And competition is overall good in buisness because it strives both sides to try hard to match the other in terms of game quality. After Sega effectively lost to Nintendo (Even if they were actually shut down the most by Sony. Not Nintendo) though, Sega became a 3rd Party and basically ended up supporting Nintendo systems almost immediately after they turned 3rd Party. Porting Sonic Adventure 2 and the classic Genesis games onto the Gamecube. And then created a series of platformers on the Game Boy Advance with the Sonic Advance series. And Sonic's been a heavy 3rd Party supporter for Nintendo. Even making exclusives (Though with varying quality) for Nintendo systems. Sonic's inclusion is the perfect symbol of a business rivalry turned into a business friendship, as well as including a character that was so massively requested during Brawl they had to delay the game a little longer just to have enough time to get him into the game. That has to be some kind of force for a character to do that, no other Smash character can claim they've had that feat happen. But from there we get to the many other awesome inclusions that Brawl included. Toon Link's inclusion is really the only one I don't really get. But Toon Link is an improvement over Young Link in that it actually represents a different part of the Zelda series.
And I don't need to put a reasoning for the Smash 4 newcomers so far. But I'll list it again anyway.
1. Mega Man
2. Mii Fighters
3. Little Mac
4. Pac-Man
5. Villager
6. Robin
7. Palutena
8. Wii Fit Trainer
9. Rosalina
10. Lucina
11. Greninja
I'd like to do an all 51 character ranking as well. But that's where it gets kinda complicated as the list needs to be as objective as possible. I definitely think that the bottom characters of Melee especially Dr. Mario take up Dead Last. And pretty much most if not all of the Original 12 should be in the Top 20. Would anyone like to discuss what an All-Time Merit list regarding Smash Bros. would ultimately be?
If you need help on what counts for merit, this is most if not all what I account for: Overall Impact on Nintendo, Moveset Originality, Importance in their Series, Popularity, How long the Character has existed, and Impact on the Smash Bros. franchise. I also tend to view that characters that represent new IPs have more merit then additions to an already repped franchise or is a sub-series of another franchise. (Which is why Ness and Captain Falcon are above Luigi and Yoshi in my Merit rankings of the original 12) That is unless that new IP character isn't really that important to their game (Why Wii Fit Trainer is still low despite representing a new IP. You can play Wii Fit without seeing too much of the Trainer.)
1. Mario
2. Donkey Kong
3. Link
4. Kirby
5. Pikachu
6. Samus
7. Fox
8. Captain Falcon
9. Ness
10. Yoshi
11. Luigi
12. Jigglypuff
Reasoning: Mario as Nintendo's flagship character will always be #1 Merit in both Smash 64's Merit and all-time. There is not debate on that even if there are a few characters that have been in Smash that are older then Mario. The merit is based on their merit towards Nintendo. The ranking also bases on new franchises + unique movesets. It's also slightly based on how long the character has existed. Donkey Kong is #2 because of the original Donkey Kong game where both him and Mario debuted in. Also while Jigglypuff had a more unique moveset then Luigi, Luigi's existence was far longer and him and Jigglypuff are the only characters in Smash 64 that aren't the 1 rep of their franchise. Yoshi is below Captain Falcon and Ness because of his Sub-Series status. Also don't fret too much about Jigglypuff being last, as I really have come to like Jigglypuff over the years. She's just the closest to being the odd one out when everyone else in Smash 64 each are no-brainer excellent meritable inclusions. I certainly like her more then what are my least favorite inclusions of the other 3 games thus far
1. Mr. Game and Watch
2. Bowser
3. Peach
4. Zelda
5. Mewtwo
6. Marth
7. Falco
8. Ice Climbers
9. Ganondorf
10. Young Link
11. Roy
12. Pichu
13. Dr. Mario
Reasoning: Game & Watch is actually the most meritable inclusion of Melee's newcomers as a rep of Nintendo gaming that predates Mario. That doesn't make his merit bigger then Mario's. But nonetheless the Game & Watch era perhaps helping Nintendo rise to where they could make Mario later on gives him huge credit and I think he has the honor of the most deserving of the Melee newcomers. From there it's no brainers that most of the other unique newcomers that came out from Melee are all in places #2-#6 while the rest I already explained about in the first time I went over Melee. Ganondorf would be around where Zelda is if it weren't for the fact he was just a slower, stronger Captain Falcon.
1. Sonic
2. King Dedede
3. Wario
4. Diddy Kong
5. Pokemon Trainer
6. Ike
7. Meta Knight
8. Pit
9. Olimar
10. Snake
11. ROB
12. Wolf
13. Lucario
14. Lucas
15. Toon Link
Reasoning: I am a lil' iffy on putting Sonic on top because I do feel that might be a slight bias thing on my part. But there is the fact that Sonic was once Mario's biggest competition in early 90's. And competition is overall good in buisness because it strives both sides to try hard to match the other in terms of game quality. After Sega effectively lost to Nintendo (Even if they were actually shut down the most by Sony. Not Nintendo) though, Sega became a 3rd Party and basically ended up supporting Nintendo systems almost immediately after they turned 3rd Party. Porting Sonic Adventure 2 and the classic Genesis games onto the Gamecube. And then created a series of platformers on the Game Boy Advance with the Sonic Advance series. And Sonic's been a heavy 3rd Party supporter for Nintendo. Even making exclusives (Though with varying quality) for Nintendo systems. Sonic's inclusion is the perfect symbol of a business rivalry turned into a business friendship, as well as including a character that was so massively requested during Brawl they had to delay the game a little longer just to have enough time to get him into the game. That has to be some kind of force for a character to do that, no other Smash character can claim they've had that feat happen. But from there we get to the many other awesome inclusions that Brawl included. Toon Link's inclusion is really the only one I don't really get. But Toon Link is an improvement over Young Link in that it actually represents a different part of the Zelda series.
And I don't need to put a reasoning for the Smash 4 newcomers so far. But I'll list it again anyway.
1. Mega Man
2. Mii Fighters
3. Little Mac
4. Pac-Man
5. Villager
6. Robin
7. Palutena
8. Wii Fit Trainer
9. Rosalina
10. Lucina
11. Greninja
I'd like to do an all 51 character ranking as well. But that's where it gets kinda complicated as the list needs to be as objective as possible. I definitely think that the bottom characters of Melee especially Dr. Mario take up Dead Last. And pretty much most if not all of the Original 12 should be in the Top 20. Would anyone like to discuss what an All-Time Merit list regarding Smash Bros. would ultimately be?
If you need help on what counts for merit, this is most if not all what I account for: Overall Impact on Nintendo, Moveset Originality, Importance in their Series, Popularity, How long the Character has existed, and Impact on the Smash Bros. franchise. I also tend to view that characters that represent new IPs have more merit then additions to an already repped franchise or is a sub-series of another franchise. (Which is why Ness and Captain Falcon are above Luigi and Yoshi in my Merit rankings of the original 12) That is unless that new IP character isn't really that important to their game (Why Wii Fit Trainer is still low despite representing a new IP. You can play Wii Fit without seeing too much of the Trainer.)
My version of those lists:
Smash 64:
1. Mario
2. Pikachu
3. Link
4. Luigi
5. Kirby
6. Donkey Kong
7. Yoshi
8. Samus
9. Fox
10. Captain Falcon
11. Ness
12. Jigglypuff
Melee:
1. Bowser
2. Peach
3. Zelda
4. Mewtwo
5. Falco
6. Ganondorf
7. Roy
8. Young Link
9. Pichu
10. Mr. Game & Watch
11. Ice Climbers
12. Marth
13. Dr. Mario
Brawl coming later.
Smash 64:
1. Mario
2. Pikachu
3. Link
4. Luigi
5. Kirby
6. Donkey Kong
7. Yoshi
8. Samus
9. Fox
10. Captain Falcon
11. Ness
12. Jigglypuff
Melee:
1. Bowser
2. Peach
3. Zelda
4. Mewtwo
5. Falco
6. Ganondorf
7. Roy
8. Young Link
9. Pichu
10. Mr. Game & Watch
11. Ice Climbers
12. Marth
13. Dr. Mario
Brawl coming later.
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3D Player 2004 said:
Roy has more merit then Marth?
Pichu has more merit then Mr. Game and Watch and Marth too? That's ridiculous
Marth's only video game appearance is in a game only released in Japan (4 games technically). Smash Bros is an Internationally released Franchise. Get the problem. Ness somewhat gets a bye because Smash 64 was originally intended to be a Japan only game and when localizing it after it sold very well, they didn't want to remove any content.
