Unpopular opinions about the Mario series
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MnSG
Cosmic Beauty
I still remember how bad the motion controls are in Looney Tunes: Acme Arsenal. You have to use the Nunchuk for certain motion controls, and yet the game often doesn't respond; this often leads to deaths when trying to jump over large abysses. I've played some games that have had bad reviews, but Looney Tunes: Acme Arsenal was definitely one of my least enjoyable games, despite the fact that I did complete it.
And for those who need a reminder as to why that game was bad, just look at the following video, which showcases a long level with a good amount of frustrating moments.
Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 are at least fortunate that their motion controls don't involve Nunchuk usage.
And for those who need a reminder as to why that game was bad, just look at the following video, which showcases a long level with a good amount of frustrating moments.
Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Galaxy 2 are at least fortunate that their motion controls don't involve Nunchuk usage.
Princess Céline
It's teatime!
Of the minigames in Mario Party 8, only Flagging Rights requires the use of a Nunchuk
Princess Céline
It's teatime!
Rew said:
I wouldn't call that unpopular, since I've seen it torn between those who agree with you and those who don't.
Since Paper Mario: Color Splash, I think that saying "love that they've been included in so many Mario games since 2009. May they be featured in many more!" is one of the most unpopular things you can say about the Koopalings in the Mario games, to the point of almost sounding sarcastic.Deinosuchus said:
Just look at the comment sections of YouTube videos of the new 3D Mario game or of the aforementioned game on GameXplain's channel...
Princess Céline
It's teatime!
On TV Tropes, they are also listed on the "Base Breaking Character" page for the Mario franchise.
[quote author=TV Tropes]
The Koopalings have shifted from Ensemble Darkhorses to this largely thanks to spending three 2D platformers in a row as the end-world bosses, with Paper Mario: Color Splash adding an RPG offender to this trend as well. While they're still loved for being a Quirky Miniboss Squad with distinct appearances and quirks, and for Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam giving them more dialogue and not making them take up the roster of every major boss fight, a portion of the fanbase believes that they are becoming overexposed and are a large sign of the lack of creativity in the New Super Mario Bros.-based games.
Wishes for the franchise to have more original bosses like the first New installment have also been on the rise just about every time they are confirmed to make an appearance. Most of their boss fights in the New-era platformers having an exploit where you can simply jump on them right after they emerge from their shell does not help, with some saying that they make boss fights too easy.
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[quote author=TV Tropes]
The Koopalings have shifted from Ensemble Darkhorses to this largely thanks to spending three 2D platformers in a row as the end-world bosses, with Paper Mario: Color Splash adding an RPG offender to this trend as well. While they're still loved for being a Quirky Miniboss Squad with distinct appearances and quirks, and for Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam giving them more dialogue and not making them take up the roster of every major boss fight, a portion of the fanbase believes that they are becoming overexposed and are a large sign of the lack of creativity in the New Super Mario Bros.-based games.
Wishes for the franchise to have more original bosses like the first New installment have also been on the rise just about every time they are confirmed to make an appearance. Most of their boss fights in the New-era platformers having an exploit where you can simply jump on them right after they emerge from their shell does not help, with some saying that they make boss fights too easy.
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Rew
Goomba
Yeah, these days I feel like I'm the only one who still likes the Koopalings. 
I think it's because I'm an older person and still remember playing SMB3 as a child (when it was new!) and how groundbreaking and cool at the time the notion of seven Koopa kids was--even if their boss battles in that game had very little variation. After SMW, I waited years and years for them to make a comeback (I never could make myself feign much interest in Bowser Jr., blagh) and was finally rewarded with their reappearance in NSMBW after nearly two decades!
I do agree that nowadays they could be implemented with greater ingenuity--in fact, game producers now could take a page out of Yoshi's Safari's book, a very early game that nevertheless does something unique and different with the Koopalings (giving them their own distinct mechs to fight in). Something like that could be useful in an upcoming 3D Mario game... if it weren't for the loud outcry that would result from having the Koopalings in a 3D Mario game, that is. :P
I think it's because I'm an older person and still remember playing SMB3 as a child (when it was new!) and how groundbreaking and cool at the time the notion of seven Koopa kids was--even if their boss battles in that game had very little variation. After SMW, I waited years and years for them to make a comeback (I never could make myself feign much interest in Bowser Jr., blagh) and was finally rewarded with their reappearance in NSMBW after nearly two decades!
I do agree that nowadays they could be implemented with greater ingenuity--in fact, game producers now could take a page out of Yoshi's Safari's book, a very early game that nevertheless does something unique and different with the Koopalings (giving them their own distinct mechs to fight in). Something like that could be useful in an upcoming 3D Mario game... if it weren't for the loud outcry that would result from having the Koopalings in a 3D Mario game, that is. :P
Well, it's easy to find here NES/SNES era guys who still aren't destroyed by some recent reappearances, especially the NSMB and the SSB4 ones. Still, I'm glad I am not aloneRew said:Yeah, these days I feel like I'm the only one who still likes the Koopalings.
.I think that Color Splash was a slap in the face regarding Morton's personality (SMB3 manual, where are you?), but I don't find the rest that bad (mind you, Larry doesn't belch in the Japanese and Italian version), still if they wanted to choose one of the worst moments in which to put the Koopalings as bosses in the Paper Mario series, they really nailed it, as it was yet another series that, like the NSMB series, is being heavily criticized for the lack of creativity, in this case right in the characters' department.
The fact that a positive thing is said about Paper Jam makes me happy, though, I think this is one of their best modern appearances, and not only because of those "dad/father" that slip in two European translations... if anyhting that's the only game where we see dialogue between them.
Gosh, you even mentioned that game! Great catch!Rew said:
After the Super Mario Galaxy games, I'm not convinced about just fighting mechs, I think that Bowser Jr.'s fights in those games were less interesting than the chases in Super Mario Sunshine, where Bowser Jr. showed to have the same moveset and agility as Mario. Then we can discuss about how well implemented they were, but I think the idea was at least nice.
Maybe Ludwig in Color Splash would be the right direction to implement something similar - in the concept of fighting them in big vehicles and in the end on foot, not in the implementation that was actually one of the most only-one-way-to-win I have seen...
At the moment, with some exceptions in the RPGs and of course Yoshi's Safari (which I haven't played), I think the Koopalings aren't particularly good bosses, I like them as characters, not as bosses. This is why I'd like to see them as talking NPCs or as playable characters. That being, said, I too fear that their appearance in the next 3D Mario game, unless it's incredibly well done and not at the expense of creativity, would just make the situation worse. :P
My "top priority" for now is the removal of the retcon, possibly not at the expenses of poor Bowser Jr. that I actually like and that has already enough troubles with the Junior Clown Car... just saying that they are disinherited biological children would be enough for me, it wouldn't even strictly contradict the 2012 statement...
