Unpopular opinions about the Mario series

Oh I'm not going to make many friends with my opinions!

-The cars in Mario Party 9 and 10 don't bother me.

-Mario Party Star Rush is the best Mario Party to date.

-I love Daisy's "Hi I'm Daisy!" quote.

-Diddy Kong, Dixie Kong, Tiny Kong, Daisy, Waluigi, Toadette and Birdo are underappreciated.

-Daisy and Waluigi should get games to themselves.

-Rosalina is my least favourite female character. And no, I don't hate her, and this opinion of mine has nothing to do with the attention she's getting.

-The New Super Mario Brothers series is my least favourite series in the Mario franchise.

-Super Mario Sunshine hasn't aged well with me. I could never beat it, and the Piantas weren't very nice.

-I find Funky Kong's voice, even though it can get annoying, funny.

-Mario Tennis Ultra Smash is the weakest Mario Tennis to date.

-I don't like Mario Kart 8's DLC that much.

-Of the Mario Kart series, Mario Kart Double Dash is the one I enjoy the most. Yep, even more than 64, Wii and 8.

If I ever think of anymore, I shall return.
 
I see some of your opinions being things that everyone thinks of, especially "Waluigi should get his own game".
 
TheCapeLuigi said:
Mister Wu said:
TheCapeLuigi said:
- The Mario & Luigi games are overrated.
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Considering how frequently I see them bashed in favor of the "superior" Paper Mario games (just look at the comments when Risa Tabata said that the only Mario RPG series was going to be the Mario & Luigi series, or Arlo's video on the matter), I don't know if I would use the term "overrated"...
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Really? I always saw people saying that Mario and Luigi was the better series. Although, I have to admit, I don't really know how I feel about Mario and Luigi; I thought "I think it's overrated" was the best term, but I think I'm more indifferent about it, probably. I've been considering buying a M&L game, so maybe I'll be able to see how I feel about it then.
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Now, we can elaborate on this point, since I now realize what you were trying to say. For some vocal fans Paper Mario: Sticker Star and, on lesser terms, Paper Mario: Color Splash "ruined" the series, so we end up with Mario & Luigi being liked more, especially by the users of this wiki, however if we consider how the individual games were appreciated, I see that Superstar Saga (if you want to start with a game in the series, I recommend to start with this one!) and Bowser's Inside Story were indeed praised, but the other three weren't that much. Partners in Time was often considered, before the 3DS games, the weakest in the series (although I only found it short and lacking in exploration elements and extra quests, and definitely enjoyed the time I had with it); Dream Team was very often bashed because of the many tutorials and, from what I understand, because of many sections that seemed artificially long, only to make the main quest longer; Paper Jam was bashed for many many reasons related to it being rushed, some of which (the story, settings and characters, with a lack of original characters and settings) were even acknowledged by the developers themselves during the Miiverse interview with them (props for admitting that, by the way). And this is without even comparing them to the Paper Mario series. When the comparison starts, you see some odd words coming out, like GameXplain saying in the Paper Jam review that the Mario & Luigi series is more "consistent", or Arlo's video saying that it is more or less about right timing and not about strategy and it is also incapable of being as serious as the Paper Mario games. Maybe it's just me, but outside of this forum I don't find many people who try to compare the best Mario & Luigi games to the first three Paper Mario games in favorable terms.
Ultimately, in my opinion there are people who like this series, but I see mainly two games being praised and any favorable comparison with the best games in the Paper Mario series avoided as much as possible, which makes me think they are being "properly" rated at best. Of course, now that for some vocal fans the Paper Mario series is "ruined", I can see how the opinion of the Mario & Luigi series being better is becoming popular, however I suspect this doesn't come from a reevaluation of the games in the latter series.
 
TheCapeLuigi said:
Yes, I kind of assumed that was one of the reasons you actually disliked SPM as a whole. I can't criticize that, though, since TTYD's Bowser is a reason for why I don't like TTYD as a whole, either.
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Well I have many grievances with the game. Bowser's portrayal is just the extra shit on a shit sandwich.
 
One thing that I'll never get is why the characters are so stupid to not see through disguises that are extremely obvious. Mr. L is literally Luigi, but everyone acts like they've never seen him before. Even Lord Crump's disguise is very bad.

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How can you NOT tell that it's Lord Crump.
 
well honestly thats more of a cartoon thing as the same crap happens in sly 2 where all sly does is where a tuxedo and not take off his mask in the process but no one but his acquaintances recognize him.
 
Zae Eildus said:
well honestly thats more of a cartoon thing as the same crap happens in sly 2 where all sly does is where a tuxedo and not take off his mask in the process but no one but his acquaintances recognize him.
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In a similar dilemma, in Sly 3, Sly acquires disguises that he can use the fool the enemies, but he does have to tell the enemies the correct password to avoid getting attacked. So in a way, the disguise will fail if you get the password wrong.

On an additional note, such disguises can probably fool enemies who are not very intelligent, or are unfamiliar with their adversary. I just don't get how someone like Mario would not know that Mr. L is really Luigi. Is Luigi really that forgetful?
 
It didn't bother me with Crump since they make it blatantly obvious and the joke is that the game pretends it's a twist with the dramatic music.

Mr L bugs me however because:
1. it's re-using an old joke
2. The idea of Mario not recognizing his own brother is insulting
3. When Luigi is revealed to be Mr L by Dimentio during his "ultimate show" it's played completely straight.
 
I guess I just don't get the idea of fooling intelligent people with poor disguises. We all know that Bruce Wayne is Batman, but his disguise is able to cover up his real identity from most normal people and villains. Of course, different Batman installments have different stories.
 
Mcmadness said:
It didn't bother me with Crump since they make it blatantly obvious and the joke is that the game pretends it's a twist with the dramatic music.

Mr L bugs me however because:
1. it's re-using an old joke
2. The idea of Mario not recognizing his own brother is insulting
3. When Luigi is revealed to be Mr L by Dimentio during his "ultimate show" it's played completely straight.
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1. Do you want me to show you a whole list of all the gags and jokes re-used throughout the entire series? Mr. L isn't even the cream of the crop.
2. To be honest, I think it's a pretty cruel now that I think of it. I'm starting to wonder if Intelligent Systems actively dislikes Luigi.
3. I have no idea what you mean by "straight"; I guess you mean that it's serious, and the reveal isn't played out like a joke, as with Crump. But considering the present situation that the reveal was played out in was serious, joking around with it would probably ruin the mood.
 
Yes I know, I generally dislike re-used jokes unless used in a different way, which they didn't.

And the mood should have never have been so serious to begin with, it's part of why I hate the game so much. Mario should never take itself that seriously.