What's your take on NSMB "Yellow/Blue Toad" routine?

Title Question

  • I'm fine with the use of generic toads in SMB

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • I want other built unique toads to be playable in SMB instead

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • I think Yellow/Blue Toad deserve to be actual main characters with design updates

    Votes: 9 52.9%
  • Total voters
    17
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Dorayaki

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Well, we've gone through quite a long time with the use of Yellow/Blue Toad in various NSMB mainline games. Now I'm curious, what was you guys' take on them back in early Wii era? And do your opinions remain the same today?

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I think the major complaint was not allowing fans to choose the "classic" Toad as part of the default, furthermore, there are some other available toad characters to expand the options, but they were all rejected.

On that basis, Nintendo usually regard Yellow/Blue as the duplicate of generic toads that wouldn't count as additional main cast in mainstream advertisings, of course, Nintendo wouldn't try to build distinctive personality and character on Yellow/Blue despite of their precense as SMB player.

Tbh, I can understand Nintendo alittle bit that they're avoiding to add more major toads to the main cast. While I think it's unnecessary to remove secondary toad characters from RPG stories, it's also relunctant to push more major Toads which would add obstacles to spin-off rosters, much like how Koopalings just cannot recieve a sport race invite.

But I also think it's unnecessary to restrict the use of toads in NSMB. I think it could had been more open with a wide set of color options (e.g. Purple Toad, Green Toad), of course allowing the classic Toad to join as well. Likely Nintendo hesitate because the color palette would get complicated with the power-ups, but would be fun if Nintendo figure out a custom color system for a playable Toad.
 
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Nintendo probably should have just made a third human character for New Super Mario Bros. Wii, allowing the game to have regular Toad in the fourth slot. Having Toad, Yellow Toad, and Blue Toad all exist simultaneously doesn't really contribute that much. All three of them are Toads who step up to help save the Mushroom Kingdom. And then maybe the third human character could have been female, helping round out the cast earlier than New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe. (I say this in full awareness that making a new model and animations for a new character is more expensive than building off of the already in the budget Toad model by making color swaps and animations for it, but we're on an Internet forum so we live in Magical Christmas Land where budgets aren't a concern.) Since Yellow Toad and Blue Toad already exist, its a good idea to keep them around.
 
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I would like Yellow Toad and Blue Toad to be depicted as their reference counterparts in the Super Mario Bros. Movie. I think they could be fleshed out as two goofy sidekicks to Mario and Luigi.
 
Blue Toad was probably carried over from SMB2. SMB2 had Peach as a playable character, and since Peach was kidnapped in NSMBW they decided to replace her with another toad. So for me, Yellow Toad felt like a filler character, whereas Blue Toad did not. And also the reason why there isn't a playable Red Toad in the NSMB games is probably because Mario is already red, which would make the points that appear on the screen clash. But since points don't exist in SMBW, it makes it easier for characters to share the same color.

I'm actually quite surprised Captain Toad made it in SMBW. Even if he was just a cameo. That means we're one step closer for Hint Toad to sneak his way in... hehehe

(By the way, I agree with all of your poll options)
 
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the only way i'd go with the design updates is if the designs actually set them apart from all forms of generic Toad in more than just outfit. Nonstandard palettes, body type differences, facial hair, that kind of stuff, and were given suitably unique names to solidly define them as distinct characters. The way Paper Mario nailed Toad designs on the first go and yet it never stuck always bothered me. There's little I wouldn't do or sacrifice to manifest a timeline where the species in general is portrayed like those games & early Mario Party design wise.

If the redesign option isn't to that extent however, I'd rather the existing unique Toads get used over the various color variants of "it sure is a Toad". Toadette's inclusion is good, I'd also throw Toadsworth in there. though to be honest, for NSMBWii I'd have much rather seen Peach, Wario or Waluigi be playable over players 3 and 4 being Toads. If Peach being playable means she can't be kidnapped, good, the story gets to be more interesting than the bare minimum. i'd choose her being playable over kidnapped any day.
 
Tinselina said:
the only way i'd go with the design updates is if the designs actually set them apart from all forms of generic Toad in more than just outfit. Nonstandard palettes, body type differences, facial hair, that kind of stuff, and were given suitably unique names to solidly define them as distinct characters. The way Paper Mario nailed Toad designs on the first go and yet it never stuck always bothered me. There's little I wouldn't do or sacrifice to manifest a timeline where the species in general is portrayed like those games & early Mario Party design wise.

If the redesign option isn't to that extent however, I'd rather the existing unique Toads get used over the various color variants of "it sure is a Toad". Toadette's inclusion is good, I'd also throw Toadsworth in there. though to be honest, for NSMBWii I'd have much rather seen Peach, Wario or Waluigi be playable over players 3 and 4 being Toads. If Peach being playable means she can't be kidnapped, good, the story gets to be more interesting than the bare minimum. i'd choose her being playable over kidnapped any day.
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I don't think Peach is going to be kidnapped ever again with the new character direction set by the Super Mario Bros. Movie. I hope 2D Mario stays like Wonder as, though I love the classic format of the NSMB series, I love the wild and unexpected way that Wonder is (making it my favorite 2D game) and I do think it's cool that Peach is helping Mario and Luigi out in their adventures now.
 
This is only tangential to the topic of blue and yellow toad, but I think they should have other toads with hair-like extensions to their head like Toadette's pigtails. You could easily imagine how the concept could be translated to resemble bun or a ponytail or other kinds of hairstyles which could increase the variety of Toads while keeping to the the current lore that the mushroom cap is a part of their head and not a hat that they wear over any hair.
 
I guess Blue Toad looks spiffy enough. I just never understood this situation with the roster. The first four-player game in the series basically has a whole three characters to choose from, but one of them is twice because oops. I would never have believed this was a plausible outcome if they didn't do it and brazenly pretend that nothing was amiss there. The nickname rumors were so tempting because i was sure there had to be something more to these character choices, even if Bucken-Berry and Ala-Gold are audibly some sort of mental keysmash.