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I thought Wii Fit Trainer was an acquired taste kind of thing; she grew on a lot of people, and some even say she's attractive.Ninelevendo said:
Who is the worst Smash inclusion ever?
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Some people have actually done some analysis on the differences between Pit and Dark Pit. And it's looking even worse for him.
Cause this is quite literally the only differences between Pit and Dark Pit. While everything else remains pretty much the same.
*Dark Pit has less arrow control but stronger arrows (his arrows are not faster or slower)
*Dark Pit's Side-B does 0.5% more damage and launches at a diagonal angle instead of Pit's directly upward angle
*Final Smashes
*Which side of the bed they woke up on
That's literally it. Everything else is EXACTLY THE SAME down to even the average KO percentage.
Meaning Dark Pit may have even less differences with his counterpart then even the Melee clones.
Cause this is quite literally the only differences between Pit and Dark Pit. While everything else remains pretty much the same.
*Dark Pit has less arrow control but stronger arrows (his arrows are not faster or slower)
*Dark Pit's Side-B does 0.5% more damage and launches at a diagonal angle instead of Pit's directly upward angle
*Final Smashes
*Which side of the bed they woke up on
That's literally it. Everything else is EXACTLY THE SAME down to even the average KO percentage.
Meaning Dark Pit may have even less differences with his counterpart then even the Melee clones.
GalacticPetey
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He also has unique taunts.
On a competing level, Dark Pit will probably be different enough from Pit for players to notice a difference. But on a casual level, they are basically the same thing.
Lucina is even worse because the only differences are the blade sweet spots and taunts.
On a competing level, Dark Pit will probably be different enough from Pit for players to notice a difference. But on a casual level, they are basically the same thing.
Lucina is even worse because the only differences are the blade sweet spots and taunts.
I should stop talking about toon link
I don't know about anybody else but I don't find myself wanting to play as him because his moves might be different, I want to play as him because he's Dark Pit. Just on the most basic level, I care so little that he is practically no different from Pit mechanically that I just brush it off as not my concern.
Lee Chaolan
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I like Dark Pit mainly because:
An dark character of an already existing character that's more angry? Great.
Has Electric attacks when compared to Pit's side special.
If he has altered moves, he adds a completely different play style to the original character.
Although really I think I overlook clones because my main in the 64 game was the original clone.
An dark character of an already existing character that's more angry? Great.
Has Electric attacks when compared to Pit's side special.
If he has altered moves, he adds a completely different play style to the original character.
Although really I think I overlook clones because my main in the 64 game was the original clone.
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Arguably, Lucina is better off if you think about any attack that uses her sword; its property is slightly different.GalacticPetey said:
Why are clones being amplified as clones this generation? I thought Brawl tried to reduce the clone amount, but it seems that a step was taken backward here.
Baby Luigi said:
you forgot dr. mario
also i dont buy that semi-clone bs this time i go by looks not by moveset
Lee Chaolan
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By looking at him the does look quite a bit different from Mario though.Dr. John H. Watson said:
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But the clones are more concentrated, if you get what I mean.Baby Luigi said:
If you go by looks, not moveset, then you really don't know what makes up a clone.Dr. John H. Watson said:
Dr. Mario said:
i said this time
im well aware that his moveset differes that doesnt change the fact that he is mario after all
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but you're also conveniently ignoring the fact that we received a ton of other unique characters with a unique playstyle
i don't really see the complaint of "zomg they made more clones than they did in brawl" or something
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I said "concentrated".Baby Luigi said:
Less of them, but the "clonliness" is more pronounced.
Dr. John H. Watson said:
Well crap, then Toon Link is a clone of Link, Luigi is a clone of Mario, ZSS is a clone of Samus, and Jigglypuff is a clone of Kirby.
I didn't realize that just because they look alike means they are a clone.
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You can't just change the rules for clones. Dr. Mario is a semi-clone this time around (which I'm thankful for), as a lot of his moves are different.
I bet you that if Paper Mario was playable and had moves based on what he does in the Paper Mario series you wouldn't be saying he is a clone.
Lee Chaolan
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Cloneability can still be discussed though, and some peoples personal preferences as to what makes a clone give them a different opinion. For example, I would consider Luigi a bit less than a semi-clone. (Not much, but not too far behind the difference of Fox and Wolf or Kirby and Jigglypuff)
It all really depends on how much or less they play as the two characters and what their factors are of making them a clone.
The set standard is more a guideline, you can bend it whichever way you want, as long as it doesn't stray too far.
It all really depends on how much or less they play as the two characters and what their factors are of making them a clone.
The set standard is more a guideline, you can bend it whichever way you want, as long as it doesn't stray too far.
GalacticPetey
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Jigglypuff and Wolf aren't even semi-clones. They're unique.
Tell me, what moves do Fox and Wolf share besides special moves? What do Kirby and Jigglypuff have in common besides body shape and multiple jumps?
Tell me, what moves do Fox and Wolf share besides special moves? What do Kirby and Jigglypuff have in common besides body shape and multiple jumps?
Jigglypuff is considered a semi-clone of Kirby in smash 64 because they share quite a few very similar moves and animations, but Melee onward they were completely differentiated.
Lee Chaolan
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I never said I though that they were semi-clones. If anything I implied the opposite.GalacticPetey said:
Jigglypuff does still have the same smashes and some aerials (and obviously the weaker argument of jumps), can't remember my reasoning behind Wolf (vaguely similar specials aren't the only reason), but they most certainly aren't cloned enough to be "semi-clones".