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Re: Super Smash Bros. Reflections - Week 3 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl Week
Really?Baby Luigi said:
Super Smash Bros. Reflections - Week 4 (Last Week) - Smash 4 Speculation Week
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Well that's why I said "I think"
I remember used to be being hyped for Brawl and all. Every day Sakurai updates feels like a great day, and it was awesome.
here I'm barely paying attention to any of the news Smash 4 is providing.
I don't know if Brawl is the cause of my lowered hype, I think it is, but i'm not 100% certain since I'm sure there are other factors.
Well that's why I said "I think"
I remember used to be being hyped for Brawl and all. Every day Sakurai updates feels like a great day, and it was awesome.
here I'm barely paying attention to any of the news Smash 4 is providing.
I don't know if Brawl is the cause of my lowered hype, I think it is, but i'm not 100% certain since I'm sure there are other factors.
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Re: Super Smash Bros. Reflections - Week 3 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl Week
It's probably the roster leak.
It's probably the roster leak.
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Re: Super Smash Bros. Reflections - Week 3 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl Week
Ah, I see.
Ah, I see.
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Re: Super Smash Bros. Reflections - Week 3 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl Week
I'll never really understand this. But I suppose it's just different experience/opinions with the game. I was satisfied with Brawl, while others weren't. So for me it's still every Smash game turns out better then the last for me.
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I'll never really understand this. But I suppose it's just different experience/opinions with the game. I was satisfied with Brawl, while others weren't. So for me it's still every Smash game turns out better then the last for me.
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I'm anything BUT competitive and I highly prefer Melee's mechanics to Brawl. The only reason I even play Brawl over Melee is better soundtrack, characters, and, most of all, modding (especially with hacks like Project M and Brawl -)
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I'm anything BUT competitive and I highly prefer Melee's mechanics to Brawl. The only reason I even play Brawl over Melee is better soundtrack, characters, and, most of all, modding (especially with hacks like Project M and Brawl -)
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Re: Super Smash Bros. Reflections - Week 3 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl Week
If I successfully hack my Wii, that tier list is going to change. I mean buff Ganondorf even though I don't play as him.Baby Luigi said:
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We're in the real final week of Smash Bros. reflections. In case you forgot what we reflect over in this week. This time it doesn't exactly cover a game and our experience with it. As of course Smash 4 isn't out yet. We can't reflect on a game that isn't even out yet. And this isn't a week devoted to Project M, because in case I didn't make it clear last week. I don't consider it a separate game cause you can't play it without having a Brawl disc in the first place. This is a reflection on the speculation for the game that will officially be over by the end of the week. Perhaps even earlier depending how many people manage to get it prior to the official release in Japan (I think I remember Brawl's full roster being known for sure at least a day or two before the official release in Japan),
The speculation to this game sure has been interested. Feels quite a bit different from the Pre-Brawl days for better or for worse. I think I mentioned this when I was talking about Brawl. But Smash 4's speculation felt rather tame in comparison to Brawl. Perhaps because of the difference of the way official information was shared. Instead of having the DOJO which both showed something new and usually explained something about it. We only got pics that were occasionally something new, and usually not really that big for the exception of course of character reveals. I also mentioned how different the approach to Character Reveals are between the Pic of the Day and the DOJO. The DOJO felt like a character could be revealed at any moment and we never knew who it would be. In contrast, we pretty much knew everytime when a Newcomer would show up for Smash 4 and we could even guess who it'd be at times. Even if there were times when we were quite wrong (Examples: Everyone thinking a Donkey Kong newcomer was being revealed but then suddenly it turns out to be Little Mac, or everyone expecting Chrom in the July newcomer reveal but instead we got Robin and Lucina), The only time Smash 4 really felt like the reveal came out of nowhere was Peach and Marth's reveals (Most of us weren't really aware of the Super Mario Bros. anniversary in September) otherwise we had some kind of hint a character was coming because we kept an eye on anniversaries and/or we knew one was coming through a direct or other kind of special announcement. Even if we didn't know who it was going to be exactly, the fact we knew a new character was coming just took away some of the surprise that the DOJO offered.
It was also tamer in how excitement was handled. While it may have led to a bit of too much hype for Brawl that caused the game to be a huge disappointment for some. The new info every week felt like a treat every day while Smash 4's pic of the day could be something totally filler (Luigi's nose anyone?) or something we already knew for the most part. The DOJO had it's weak updates too sure, like I remember a whole month was about just random items or other small things. But Smash 4's just kinda had more extended times like that where the Pic of the Day felt like it wasn't showing us too much. Which I get why, it's so that not everybody knows just about everything about the game prior to release. It's just too easy to remember the hiatus of decent updates that have happened after Sonic's reveal and also the time where we were hoping we'd get something good in March, or at least Yoshi's reveal (Even if he was saved for the next month's direct) Smash speculation just felt dry during these points as we just end up talking about the same things we've already discussed for a while since the previous notable update. However I can definitely see how some could think Smash 4's speculation was better in how that it felt less crazy and most of the surprises would come from the game itself rather then being shown beforehand. I think it all depends on preference though. If you liked how anything could be the update of the day, and the huge excitement. You probably preferred Brawl's speculation scene. If you prefer a more tamer approach and wanting to know less about the game before getting it, you probably liked Smash 4's speculation style. Though enough comparing it to Brawl's speculation. How about I talk about each and every one of the decent sized events. The events in this exact order are: E3 2013, Sonic's Return announced in the October 2013 Direct, Rosalina's reveal in the December 2013 direct, Little Mac's reveal in the Feburary 2014 direct, the Smash Bros. direct in April 2014, E3 2014, Robin & Lucina's reveal in July 2014, Shulk's reveal at the end of Last Month, and lastly the Roster Leak
June 2013 - E3 2013
It's always easy to know how if a new Smash Bros. is being made, E3 is always an anticipated time for Nintendo fans because no matter what we're going to something cool shown. Heck, just learning that a new Smash Bros. was planned as far back as E3 2011 was exciting to hear. And while we got little-to-none for next year (Because the game probably wasn't far enough in development at the time to show off anything) we finally got our chance last year. Immediately showing us many returning characters from the get go. All of them being veterans we knew were returning anyway. But that's why the Newcomers are the thing that usually defines the hype. And we got a total of three during the entirety of E3.
The first one we got was Villager who has the honor of being the first announced newcomer for the game. And history shows it took some Sakurai changing his mind in order for it to come to pass. As back during Brawl's development he considered Animal Crossing characters as too peaceful for the fighting in Smash. But this time around he did some good work placing stuff people know of the Animal Crossing series and making it a viable moveset. I've said this during the Merit thread, but I think it's absolutely great that Smash Bros. series is not restricted to characters that are known for fighting. So I welcome Villager's inclusion because it's just another of those characters that make the argument of "This character doesn't fight!" completely useless. And I think for the most part the Smash Community also welcomed Villager with open arms. Even if a quite a bit of his hype came from the "Serial Killer" memes that popped up after his reveal. He's going to be an interesting character come the release of the game.
However I don't think there was anything that topped who came next after the Villager (And arguably still the most hype reveal), and that was Megaman. After Sonic already got in the series through Brawl, Megaman became the next most wanted 3rd Party. And while he missed the chance Pre-Brawl, he managed to give just the right spark for Smash 4 in his initial reveal in the very first trailer for the game. As with previous 3rd Party reveals, the internet went crazy over the news and there are still many videos of pure glee of the reveal on Youtube that truly show just how huge this was for people. Sakurai even tugged at the heartstrings even more by making Megaman a lot like his 8-bit form and the moveset borrowing from different powers Megaman could get from Robot Masters in his games. I do have to say, Megaman is the most deserving 3rd Party in Smash. I even say that as a Sonic fan that in all honesty that Megaman should of been in the series before Sonic did. But I'm surely not going to complain either way. What matters is that we know both of them are in Smash 4 already and that's really all that counts. I myself am very happy for all the Megaman fans out there as I know what it means to have a dream inclusion get in myself thanks to Sonic's reveal for Brawl. I'd really like as many people to have that same feeling as possible. As it's just one of the greatest feelings in the world. While many Megaman fans are upset there hasn't been a new Megaman game in a while, at the very least in a few weeks they'll be able to enjoy playing as him in the Smash Bros. series.
And lastly, we get to the rather controversial part of E3. The Wii Fit Trainer wasn't revealed as sudden as Villager and Mega Man was, the news of her just slowly spread and many people at first thought it was just a joke a day or two after Smash 4's first trailer was shown. There was this mixture of confusion, anger, laughter, etc. as the confirmation of the Trainer set in. It definitely was an odd choice for sure. When people researched it a little more, we found out it might of not been totally out of nowhere. As Wii Fit was one of the best selling games for the Wii. #3 in fact only below Wii Play and Wii Sports. But even knowing that it is still a little confusing at the time because you think to represent those games they'd show off the Miis. We'd find that out later that they couldn't inform us of the Miis yet because they're a huge part of the Custom Movesets which we wouldn't get more explanation on until the next E3, the same E3 in which the Miis themselves were revealed in the first place. But I'll get to that part soon enough. Over time, the Wii Fit Trainer has actually grown on a decent amount of people. And while there are still people who are really mad and probably won't get over it ever. She (Or sometimes he, considering the Male alt. costume) will have the chance to prover her worth as a fighter soon enough.
October 2013 - Sonic's Return
After E3, things settled down for Smash. We did get a few obvious returnees like Olimar, Luigi, and Peach in the coming months after E3. And even just days prior to the October Nintendo Direct we got the return of Toon Link which surprised people because at that time he was considered one of the most likely candidates to not return in the game. But we wouldn't even get a full week to contemplate Toon Link's return fully before the next character reveal. Because lo and behold, Sonic was shown off a little during the very early October direct. Just nine days prior to the 6th anniversary of Sonic's reveal for Brawl. Even though I personally knew it was pretty obvious that Sonic was going to return. What with Sega and Nintendo being the buddies they are, the theory I had that the three game Nintendo Exclusive deal had Sonic's inclusion as a hidden clause, How Popular in general Sonic is, and it didn't make any sense to continue the Mario & Sonic Olympic games without having Sonic come back in the Smash Bros. series too. I was quite happy to hear the news, I wouldn't say as much as I was for his reveal in Brawl (My celebrating was more so how it finally proved any doubters wrong, because there were people who were afraid or even wanted Sonic to be gone because they had though that Sonic would be a Brawl exclusive guest). But cool nonetheless. We were promised Mario, Sonic, and Megaman together. And while that would be topped by yet another 3rd Party reveal having Sonic and Megaman being in the same game for the first time was clearly an exciting thing. It also gave me reassurance that Sonic is here to stay, with his appearance in a game he is an official Smash veteran. He may still be a "guest" as said on the back of the box. But he's also a returning veteran in every sense of the word. I already think his return in Smash 4 makes him a Series staple, even if not on the same level of the Original 12. Ice Climbers might disprove that being in two games does not etch you in stone. There are several differences between the Ice Climbers and Sonic that I think Sonic's popularity alone will keep him around. Just seeing the words "veteran fighter" and Sonic in one sentence makes me smile. And I can't wait to be Smashing at Sonic Speed come October 3rd ^^
December 2013 - Rosalina's Reveal
With October's reveal done. Things kinda slowed down on the update front. When we got a total of three characters within 2-3 weeks, I guess some of us were thinking they might get a little more mad with character reveals. But even though Sonic was the last of the three reveals, things just slowed down if you get the joke there ^^'. There was the unexpected reveal of Marth in November, which I think was one of the few that actually did come out of nowhere instead of being predictable. Because I don't think anyone found a Fire Emblem anniversary in November. But at least we would be awaiting the Direct in December. And sure enough we did get a Newcomer. A rather interesting one too, because it was the first new Mario newcomer in quite a while since Brawl added no new Mario characters whatsoever (Well not counting the Subseries like Wario representing his namesake series and Diddy for the Donkey Kong series anyway). And it wasn't even one of the four that seemed the most likely (Which were Toad, Bowser Jr, Waluigi, and Paper Mario) turning out to be Rosalina from Super Mario Galaxy. Researching it a little more, Rosalina was included as a special tribute to the success Super Mario Galaxy was and also a little to Rosalina's overall popularity. It's easy to see why Rosalina is popular, she's one of the few characters in the Mario series that has a more clear and interesting story to her if you ever watched Rosalina's Storybook in the first Mario Galaxy. And having a more calm demeanor, and the capability of magic making her not as much of a constant damsel-in-distress like Peach is, and not overly loud like Daisy could be in the Spin-offs. I personally think by far she's the best of the Mario Princesses and I am quite interested in how she is in Smash 4. Though there is a part of me that's a bit nitpicky about this inclusion because at the time it kinda seemed like she was going to be the only additional Mario character which would of made me confused of "Why her ov
The speculation to this game sure has been interested. Feels quite a bit different from the Pre-Brawl days for better or for worse. I think I mentioned this when I was talking about Brawl. But Smash 4's speculation felt rather tame in comparison to Brawl. Perhaps because of the difference of the way official information was shared. Instead of having the DOJO which both showed something new and usually explained something about it. We only got pics that were occasionally something new, and usually not really that big for the exception of course of character reveals. I also mentioned how different the approach to Character Reveals are between the Pic of the Day and the DOJO. The DOJO felt like a character could be revealed at any moment and we never knew who it would be. In contrast, we pretty much knew everytime when a Newcomer would show up for Smash 4 and we could even guess who it'd be at times. Even if there were times when we were quite wrong (Examples: Everyone thinking a Donkey Kong newcomer was being revealed but then suddenly it turns out to be Little Mac, or everyone expecting Chrom in the July newcomer reveal but instead we got Robin and Lucina), The only time Smash 4 really felt like the reveal came out of nowhere was Peach and Marth's reveals (Most of us weren't really aware of the Super Mario Bros. anniversary in September) otherwise we had some kind of hint a character was coming because we kept an eye on anniversaries and/or we knew one was coming through a direct or other kind of special announcement. Even if we didn't know who it was going to be exactly, the fact we knew a new character was coming just took away some of the surprise that the DOJO offered.
It was also tamer in how excitement was handled. While it may have led to a bit of too much hype for Brawl that caused the game to be a huge disappointment for some. The new info every week felt like a treat every day while Smash 4's pic of the day could be something totally filler (Luigi's nose anyone?) or something we already knew for the most part. The DOJO had it's weak updates too sure, like I remember a whole month was about just random items or other small things. But Smash 4's just kinda had more extended times like that where the Pic of the Day felt like it wasn't showing us too much. Which I get why, it's so that not everybody knows just about everything about the game prior to release. It's just too easy to remember the hiatus of decent updates that have happened after Sonic's reveal and also the time where we were hoping we'd get something good in March, or at least Yoshi's reveal (Even if he was saved for the next month's direct) Smash speculation just felt dry during these points as we just end up talking about the same things we've already discussed for a while since the previous notable update. However I can definitely see how some could think Smash 4's speculation was better in how that it felt less crazy and most of the surprises would come from the game itself rather then being shown beforehand. I think it all depends on preference though. If you liked how anything could be the update of the day, and the huge excitement. You probably preferred Brawl's speculation scene. If you prefer a more tamer approach and wanting to know less about the game before getting it, you probably liked Smash 4's speculation style. Though enough comparing it to Brawl's speculation. How about I talk about each and every one of the decent sized events. The events in this exact order are: E3 2013, Sonic's Return announced in the October 2013 Direct, Rosalina's reveal in the December 2013 direct, Little Mac's reveal in the Feburary 2014 direct, the Smash Bros. direct in April 2014, E3 2014, Robin & Lucina's reveal in July 2014, Shulk's reveal at the end of Last Month, and lastly the Roster Leak
June 2013 - E3 2013
It's always easy to know how if a new Smash Bros. is being made, E3 is always an anticipated time for Nintendo fans because no matter what we're going to something cool shown. Heck, just learning that a new Smash Bros. was planned as far back as E3 2011 was exciting to hear. And while we got little-to-none for next year (Because the game probably wasn't far enough in development at the time to show off anything) we finally got our chance last year. Immediately showing us many returning characters from the get go. All of them being veterans we knew were returning anyway. But that's why the Newcomers are the thing that usually defines the hype. And we got a total of three during the entirety of E3.
The first one we got was Villager who has the honor of being the first announced newcomer for the game. And history shows it took some Sakurai changing his mind in order for it to come to pass. As back during Brawl's development he considered Animal Crossing characters as too peaceful for the fighting in Smash. But this time around he did some good work placing stuff people know of the Animal Crossing series and making it a viable moveset. I've said this during the Merit thread, but I think it's absolutely great that Smash Bros. series is not restricted to characters that are known for fighting. So I welcome Villager's inclusion because it's just another of those characters that make the argument of "This character doesn't fight!" completely useless. And I think for the most part the Smash Community also welcomed Villager with open arms. Even if a quite a bit of his hype came from the "Serial Killer" memes that popped up after his reveal. He's going to be an interesting character come the release of the game.
However I don't think there was anything that topped who came next after the Villager (And arguably still the most hype reveal), and that was Megaman. After Sonic already got in the series through Brawl, Megaman became the next most wanted 3rd Party. And while he missed the chance Pre-Brawl, he managed to give just the right spark for Smash 4 in his initial reveal in the very first trailer for the game. As with previous 3rd Party reveals, the internet went crazy over the news and there are still many videos of pure glee of the reveal on Youtube that truly show just how huge this was for people. Sakurai even tugged at the heartstrings even more by making Megaman a lot like his 8-bit form and the moveset borrowing from different powers Megaman could get from Robot Masters in his games. I do have to say, Megaman is the most deserving 3rd Party in Smash. I even say that as a Sonic fan that in all honesty that Megaman should of been in the series before Sonic did. But I'm surely not going to complain either way. What matters is that we know both of them are in Smash 4 already and that's really all that counts. I myself am very happy for all the Megaman fans out there as I know what it means to have a dream inclusion get in myself thanks to Sonic's reveal for Brawl. I'd really like as many people to have that same feeling as possible. As it's just one of the greatest feelings in the world. While many Megaman fans are upset there hasn't been a new Megaman game in a while, at the very least in a few weeks they'll be able to enjoy playing as him in the Smash Bros. series.
And lastly, we get to the rather controversial part of E3. The Wii Fit Trainer wasn't revealed as sudden as Villager and Mega Man was, the news of her just slowly spread and many people at first thought it was just a joke a day or two after Smash 4's first trailer was shown. There was this mixture of confusion, anger, laughter, etc. as the confirmation of the Trainer set in. It definitely was an odd choice for sure. When people researched it a little more, we found out it might of not been totally out of nowhere. As Wii Fit was one of the best selling games for the Wii. #3 in fact only below Wii Play and Wii Sports. But even knowing that it is still a little confusing at the time because you think to represent those games they'd show off the Miis. We'd find that out later that they couldn't inform us of the Miis yet because they're a huge part of the Custom Movesets which we wouldn't get more explanation on until the next E3, the same E3 in which the Miis themselves were revealed in the first place. But I'll get to that part soon enough. Over time, the Wii Fit Trainer has actually grown on a decent amount of people. And while there are still people who are really mad and probably won't get over it ever. She (Or sometimes he, considering the Male alt. costume) will have the chance to prover her worth as a fighter soon enough.
October 2013 - Sonic's Return
After E3, things settled down for Smash. We did get a few obvious returnees like Olimar, Luigi, and Peach in the coming months after E3. And even just days prior to the October Nintendo Direct we got the return of Toon Link which surprised people because at that time he was considered one of the most likely candidates to not return in the game. But we wouldn't even get a full week to contemplate Toon Link's return fully before the next character reveal. Because lo and behold, Sonic was shown off a little during the very early October direct. Just nine days prior to the 6th anniversary of Sonic's reveal for Brawl. Even though I personally knew it was pretty obvious that Sonic was going to return. What with Sega and Nintendo being the buddies they are, the theory I had that the three game Nintendo Exclusive deal had Sonic's inclusion as a hidden clause, How Popular in general Sonic is, and it didn't make any sense to continue the Mario & Sonic Olympic games without having Sonic come back in the Smash Bros. series too. I was quite happy to hear the news, I wouldn't say as much as I was for his reveal in Brawl (My celebrating was more so how it finally proved any doubters wrong, because there were people who were afraid or even wanted Sonic to be gone because they had though that Sonic would be a Brawl exclusive guest). But cool nonetheless. We were promised Mario, Sonic, and Megaman together. And while that would be topped by yet another 3rd Party reveal having Sonic and Megaman being in the same game for the first time was clearly an exciting thing. It also gave me reassurance that Sonic is here to stay, with his appearance in a game he is an official Smash veteran. He may still be a "guest" as said on the back of the box. But he's also a returning veteran in every sense of the word. I already think his return in Smash 4 makes him a Series staple, even if not on the same level of the Original 12. Ice Climbers might disprove that being in two games does not etch you in stone. There are several differences between the Ice Climbers and Sonic that I think Sonic's popularity alone will keep him around. Just seeing the words "veteran fighter" and Sonic in one sentence makes me smile. And I can't wait to be Smashing at Sonic Speed come October 3rd ^^
December 2013 - Rosalina's Reveal
With October's reveal done. Things kinda slowed down on the update front. When we got a total of three characters within 2-3 weeks, I guess some of us were thinking they might get a little more mad with character reveals. But even though Sonic was the last of the three reveals, things just slowed down if you get the joke there ^^'. There was the unexpected reveal of Marth in November, which I think was one of the few that actually did come out of nowhere instead of being predictable. Because I don't think anyone found a Fire Emblem anniversary in November. But at least we would be awaiting the Direct in December. And sure enough we did get a Newcomer. A rather interesting one too, because it was the first new Mario newcomer in quite a while since Brawl added no new Mario characters whatsoever (Well not counting the Subseries like Wario representing his namesake series and Diddy for the Donkey Kong series anyway). And it wasn't even one of the four that seemed the most likely (Which were Toad, Bowser Jr, Waluigi, and Paper Mario) turning out to be Rosalina from Super Mario Galaxy. Researching it a little more, Rosalina was included as a special tribute to the success Super Mario Galaxy was and also a little to Rosalina's overall popularity. It's easy to see why Rosalina is popular, she's one of the few characters in the Mario series that has a more clear and interesting story to her if you ever watched Rosalina's Storybook in the first Mario Galaxy. And having a more calm demeanor, and the capability of magic making her not as much of a constant damsel-in-distress like Peach is, and not overly loud like Daisy could be in the Spin-offs. I personally think by far she's the best of the Mario Princesses and I am quite interested in how she is in Smash 4. Though there is a part of me that's a bit nitpicky about this inclusion because at the time it kinda seemed like she was going to be the only additional Mario character which would of made me confused of "Why her ov