Super Smash Bros. for Wii U & 3DS Discussion

[GalacticPetey]

Yeah, it was made for casual play in mind, but Melee still appealed to the hardcore fighting game community. Sakurai saw this and said "no, screw competitive play". Melee proved both sides could coexist. There was no reason to remove those elements.

Think of it like this. I go to a restaurant and I order a bacon cheeseburger. I get my bacon cheeseburgers and bite into. First, i notice there is no bacon or cheese in the burger whatsoever. Okay, that's kinda bullshit. Then I realize they've put some disgusting new sauce in there that makes it taste awful. I suppose I should just accept and adapt, right?

And believe it or not, a lot of Melee fans want more than just Melee. But if Sakurai continues this attitude of "competitive play is bad and everyone should be a winner", then people don't have a choice.

Again, I love both games and play them both. At least from a spectator's perspective, a match of melee is infinitely more entertaining than a match of Brawl.

Melee is a good game, but competitively, it really not fun. All that spasmic dashing to the left and right, wavedashing and crap gets tiring fast.

Well that's grossly oversimplifying the whole thing.

I find it ironic you say Melee felt unpolished. Sakurai has stated before that it was the "sharpest game in the series".

 

[ernesth100]

Who wants to play me in Brawl right now?

 

[DaKid]

Yeah, it was made for casual play in mind, but Melee still appealed to the hardcore fighting game community. Sakurai saw this and said "no, screw competitive play". Melee proved both sides could coexist. There was no reason to remove those elements.

Think of it like this. I go to a restaurant and I order a bacon cheeseburger. I get my bacon cheeseburgers and bite into. First, i notice there is no bacon or cheese in the burger whatsoever. Okay, that's kinda bull*bleep*. Then I realize they've put some disgusting new sauce in there that makes it taste awful. I suppose I should just accept and adapt, right?

And believe it or not, a lot of Melee fans want more than just Melee. But if Sakurai continues this attitude of "competitive play is bad and everyone should be a winner", then people don't have a choice.

Again, I love both games and play them both. At least from a spectator's perspective, a match of melee is infinitely more entertaining than a match of Brawl.

Melee is a good game, but competitively, it really not fun. All that spasmic dashing to the left and right, wavedashing and crap gets tiring fast.

Well that's grossly oversimplifying the whole thing.

I find it ironic you say Melee felt unpolished. Sakurai has stated before that it was the "sharpest game in the series".

I'm not trying to persuade or prove which game is better. I honestly don't care which one you like most or the Melee competitive base. Same for Sakurai. Don't care about what he says regarding how Melee felt for me. Just saying.

Melee fans are a small minority, like a grain of rice of a minority. It's obvious nobody wants what they want or feel the same.

I'm just tired of the constant moaning and antagonistic behavior of a lot of them.

 

[Baby Mario Bloops]

Yeah, it was made for casual play in mind, but Melee still appealed to the hardcore fighting game community. Sakurai saw this and said "no, screw competitive play". Melee proved both sides could coexist. There was no reason to remove those elements.

Think of it like this. I go to a restaurant and I order a bacon cheeseburger. I get my bacon cheeseburgers and bite into. First, i notice there is no bacon or cheese in the burger whatsoever. Okay, that's kinda bullshit. Then I realize they've put some disgusting new sauce in there that makes it taste awful. I suppose I should just accept and adapt, right?

And believe it or not, a lot of Melee fans want more than just Melee. But if Sakurai continues this attitude of "competitive play is bad and everyone should be a winner", then people don't have a choice.

Again, I love both games and play them both. At least from a spectator's perspective, a match of melee is infinitely more entertaining than a match of Brawl.

Melee is a good game, but competitively, it really not fun. All that spasmic dashing to the left and right, wavedashing and crap gets tiring fast.

Well that's grossly oversimplifying the whole thing.

I find it ironic you say Melee felt unpolished. Sakurai has stated before that it was the "sharpest game in the series".

Says the person that still believes Ridley is going to get into Sm4sh

Well for the minority of people that actually focus on how competitive you can be in the Smash series, Melee did have the best gameplay. However, that's all it had. Like, everything else about it felt rushed, last minute additions. I played it for like a month or two and then I stopped because I was honestly bored with it. Nothing seemed that great about it.

And that connection you made with the burger is completely wrong. It's more of you had a steak cooked one way and another steaked cooked another. People are going to prefer them differently. Sorry that your stomach can't handle that steak that many find superb over the other one. Maybe you find the sauce "bad", but others might completely love it. And if they make a new sauce that you don't like, then don't eat it. It's not like bitching and moaning will change the fact that it happened.

EDIT - Lol at DaKid agreeing with the minority thing.

 

[Magikrazy]

Who wants to play me in Brawl right now?

1. Wrong topic
2. Wii's online was discontinued

 

[ernesth100]

Who wants to play me in Brawl right now?

1. Wrong topic
2. Wii's online was discontinued

2. You can play Brawl online on the Wii U. But nevermind.

You know everyone here should be greatful Sakurai makes new smash games. Instead of complainig.
THIS CHARACTER DOESN'T BELONG.
or

THIS ISN'T AS GOOD AS MELEE.

 

[Contra(dictory)]

This discussion is giving me cancer.

 

[ernesth100]

This discussion is giving me cancer.

Too bad there's no cure.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

What type of cancer? Maybe you need Megavitamins.

 

[Lumastar]

Pic of the day. This time, you can challenge every fighter in All-Star Mode from the moment you turn on the game!! This is a survival battle with limited recovery items and no option to continue. However, this mode will be incomplete until you've unlocked every fighter... Until then, you can only play against characters that are already available. This is a picture of the bottom-screen menu, with a padlock indicating that the mode is still incomplete.

In these battles, multiple opponents appear in one stage, and you clear the battle by defeating a number of them. The rest area that appears between battles displays the next opponents and the year the characters made their first appearances, and it also holds recovery items and an occasional reward. The characters you fight against appear pretty much in chronological order. Behold, the history of Nintendo games!!

Ridley haters gonna hate!

 

[Pokemon DP]

If you believe the leak, then Dr. Mario, R.O.B., and Game and Watch are missing.

 

[NSY]

If you believe the leak, then Dr. Mario, R.O.B., and Game and Watch are missing.

However, this mode will be incomplete until you've unlocked every fighter... Until then, you can only play against characters that are already available. This is a picture of the bottom-screen menu, with a padlock indicating that the mode is still incomplete.

read again

 

[GBA]

*stuff

Cool, so you can play All-Star mode without having to unlock everyone first. Brawl's was tedious, but this is much better (until you unlock everyone then it'll be a nightmare). I guess we'll know the full roster once images of the menu icon w/o the lock emerge after release.

 

[Lumastar]

*stuff

Cool, so you can play All-Star mode without having to unlock everyone first. Brawl's was tedious, but this is much better (until you unlock everyone). I guess we'll know the full roster once images of the menu icon w/o the lock emerge after release.

Or before!

 

[Pokemon DP]

If you believe the leak, then Dr. Mario, R.O.B., and Game and Watch are missing.

However, this mode will be incomplete until you've unlocked every fighter... Until then, you can only play against characters that are already available. This is a picture of the bottom-screen menu, with a padlock indicating that the mode is still incomplete.

read again

my bad, somehow misread lumastar's comment as a jab at ridley supporters... don't even know how

where are my glasses

 

[Tyrell Badd]

*stuff

Cool, so you can play All-Star mode without having to unlock everyone first. Brawl's was tedious, but this is much better (until you unlock everyone then it'll be a nightmare). I guess we'll know the full roster once images of the menu icon w/o the lock emerge after release.

It won't count as completed until you beat it after you've unlocked every single character. Every. Single. One.

Spoiler

probably not

edit: obligatory page 420 mention

 

[Crackin355]

edit: obligatory page 420 mention

 

[Lumastar]

Didn't Sakurai mention that Assist Trophies will come into play? Is that what Starfy's for? Can you select a set number of Assist Trophies and summon them in battle?

 

[Tyrell Badd]

That's a trophy.

Also, does this potentially mean that the ESRB leak is incomplete? The lock was present in the pictures with DHD, Dr. Mario, and Dark Pit...

So does that mean Lucas and Ice Climbers...

Spoiler

i doubt it, but a man can dream

 

[GBA]

edit: obligatory page 420 mention

It won't count as completed until you beat it after you've unlocked every single character. Every. Single. One.

and beat it with every character you've unlocked

then you get a trophy which makes it all better

 

[Crackin355]

edit: obligatory page 420 mention

 

[Lumastar]

edit: obligatory page 420 mention

 

[GalacticPetey]

If you can play all-star without all the characters, then that picture from the Japanese commercial is null and void. The Ridley train is still alive.

 

[freakworld]

The Ridley train is still alive.

As is the Tingle for Hyrule Warriors train!

...what you say the game was already released in japan?`

...shit

 

[DragonFreak]

LOL, this topic while I was gone.

Still...

The Ridley train is still alive.