'Shroomfest (Round 8) - FANTASY vs SCI-FI

To quote Peppy Hare, "It's quiet... TOO quiet." Hopefully everyone didn't get abducted by aliens, I promise I didn't call in that much backup!

Well, it's character week, so I'm going to talk about some characters, kind of. Specifically, I'd like to talk about one of my favorite pieces of superhero media, The Spectacular Spider-Man. It could be argued that superheroes are a genre in and of themselves, but I don't think that makes it mutually exclusive. You can have sci-fi superheroes, horror superheroes, and yes, even fantasy superheroes! Spider-Man's had his fair share of incarnations and mythos that go all over the place, but Spectacular provides a relatively grounded take on the friendly neighborhood wall-crawler.

I think anyone even somewhat familiar with Spider-Man knows his origin story by now. He goes to a science lab and gets bit by a radioactive spider which gives him free superpowers, then becomes a superhero. Even Spider-Man has to rely on his own tech though, specifically his web shooters! Those more familiar with the Tobey Maguire incarnation of Spidey and other portrayals influenced by those movies might be surprised to learn that his web shooting usually isn't a natural power granted by the spider bite, and is instead something he built himself.

But you know what? Heroes didn't win the first 'Shroomfest...

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Batman aside, Spider-Man has likely the most iconic rogues gallery of any superhero, and they're out in full force in this show. Almost all of Spidey's villains in this show either heavily use technology to combat him and commit their crimes (Doctor Octopus, Vulture, etc.), are the direct result of some lab experiment or accident (Rhino, Electro, etc.), or sometimes both! Even the alleged sorcerer Mysterio turns out to just be really good with special effects. And then there's Venom, the alien parasite who accidentally gets brought back to Earth on a space mission and breaches containment when Spider-Man investigates a break-in at the lab where it's being studied. Incidentally, this leads to one of my favorite episodes of the show where Spider-Man, under the influence of the symbiote, fights the Sinister Six (seen above) for the first time.

What's really cool about this show is that a lot of the villains don't just drop out of the sky to be evil. We get to see a lot of their origin stories, and often pop up in earlier episodes prior to taking on their new alter-egos as the plot continues to build. They're also pretty interconnected - a lot of them are created either intentionally or inadvertently by Oscorp and/or the mafia bosses that control the city. Case in point for both of these, Otto Octavius shows up in the first episode of the show and is a recurring character working under Norman Obsorn. It's not until episode eight that a lab accident turns him into Doc Ock, but of course anyone who knows the lore knows exactly where it's going from the get-go, which is pretty cool. (Have I mentioned I like this show?)

As a matter of fact, I liked these guys so much I based a whole lot of extra art in my Scribble Smorgasboard run around them! So there's some extra fun for those of you into the projects we get up to around here.

(Sadly, the real villain of this show was corporate meddling. It was canceled after only two seasons because of the Disney buyout and ended on a cliffhanger and several unresolved plot threads...)

I could go on about these characters in more detail, but for now, hopefully that gets the ball rolling again!
 
take a closer look at specific characters of those genre.

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I hear y'all are searchin' for some characters? Pardon me buttin' in, I just couldn't help from leanin' in close when I heard y'all hootin' 'n' hollerin' 'bout sci-fi and fantasy!

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Partitio Yellowil, at your service, 'n' I s'pose I oughta give an endorsement to team fantasy. Now why's that? Way I see it, you step into my boots and retrace my steps, where you end up'll look an awful lot like a land of fantasy. Monsters, magicks, swords, a pantheon all our own, yessiree, we got ourselves all the trappings of what you'd call fantasy!

But don't go gettin' me wrong, none. We ain't all elves and hobbits. Y'see, we take a tack that's a smidgen different, combinin' our settin' with the early trappin's of modernity. Fact is, my story revolves around the widespread adoption of the steam engine, 'n' the questions it raises about the concentration of wealth in the hands of a few! I ain't lookin' to toot my own horn, but I reckon I'd say grapplin' with burgeonin' industrial production, rudimentary patent law, and the aspirations to build a fair society that can offer plenty to everyone without lettin' a mighty few put a boot down on the rest of the world's part o' what makes me an interestin' character.

It ain't just me, either. We got more faces scramblin' to usher in a new era 'n' grapple with the changes it brings than a dog's got fleas! It's more a passin' detail than dwelt on, but my pal Osvald's got the gumption to formulate mathematical equations to describe magic, 'n' some other scholarly types are researchin' the phsyiology behind magic or takin' down a proper mappin' of the stars.

Not every tale 'round my parts is one o' modernity. Plenty sticks to its fantasy roots, usin' 'em for some compellin' character-driven dramas. What's it mean to lend a helpin' hand when you ain't got a clue as to your roots? What'd'ya do when some group with ill-intentions gets too big for its britches? How'd'ya carry on through losin' all that means the world to ya? These kindsa questions... you can't pin 'em down to one place or one genre, 'cause they're timeless.

...'fraid my point's startin' to get away from me, so I'll put a lid on this right quick. You can make a mighty fine story and a real memorable cast o' characters in a fantasy story, and you take a step in a new direction with your world - say by addin' a pinch of industrial modernity as flavorin' - and you can get yourself some real beautiful characters.

That's all I got. Y'all carry on now!
 
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Florida:
Like Dude if where talking about characters man then we GOTTA talks about that pink marshmallow dude kirby that dude is SICK cause not only can he use magic by copying whatever he sees dude but he's also like a god man? Idk if this accurate but that pink dude has destroyed not only a giant robot planet but also a super evil version of himself called Void Termina? And not only that but he also took down dark matter and evil jester dude and many many more big bad dudes in the past so with this dudes magic powers to copy anything means that no matter WHAT you throw at that dude he's always able to get back up man also like me Boo and some other dudes endorse Fantasy man.
 
In the wise words of Gandalf:

"A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to."
- Gandalf​

But this isn't about Gandalf!​

Now, for WEEK 2!

Question of the Week:
Let's take a deeper approach in the genre, and take a closer look at specific characters of those genre. Which character stand out among the crowd and best represent the Fantasy genre or the Sci-Fi genre? Which is your favorite? Which is the most impactful? It's now up to you and bring up your case!
Looks like I brought Joe Jenkins in too early. Oh well! Better early than never.

I also brought in King Harkinian, Gwonam and Morshu, all of which are hilarious meme-worthy characters. That's great and all, but jokes won't win this battle!
"For my next trick, I'm bringing an old friend."
- A quote from the character I'm about to introduce

I present: Vez'nan!​

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"All magic comes with a price."

Vez'nan is the main antagonist of the Kingdom Rush franchise, the best Tower Defense series as of today! He is a dark wizard who has an evil army of goblins, orcs, dark knights, demons, etc. and resides in his tower. Plus he's purple, my favorite color!

But did you know he wasn't always evil, per se? It isn't just Sci-Fi that has origins of villains. Speaking of Origins

I'm going to go over this guy based on the timeline of the games. That means Kingdom Rush: Origins is the starting point of my summary! During the events of the game, Vez'nan was sided with the good guys (the Elves) and joined them on their battle against the evil Gnolls, Twilight Elves (and their Queen Malicia) as well as one of the spider queens, Mactans. During this adventure, he fought alongside what would be the future king of the Kingdom of Linirea (Denas, known as Prince Denas at the time). After the defeat of the Spider Goddess (the result of Malicia and Mactans fused together via the Tear of Elynie, a magical artifact), the Elves realized that the two villains corrupted the Tear of Elynie, the artifact provided by the goddess of the Elves herself, Elynie. Because it's corrupted, the artifact is now dangerous and must be cast into the Rift of Cinders to destroy it for good. Vez'nan volunteers to perform the task!


Not to destroy it however…
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…but to use it to his advantage. And thus, the evil wizard Vez'nan was born.

Many years later…

In the first Kingdom Rush game, Vez'nan is the main villain. After traveling through the Kingdom of Linirea, winter mountains and the dreaded realm of Valurdul, the good guys make it to Vez'nan's tower. There is no turning back - it's time to test their mettle! After a rousing battle, Vez'nan was killed, and the threat to the kingdom is over.

That is, until Lord Malagar picks up his staff and becomes the bad guy of Kingdom Rush: Frontiers! But he's not Vez'nan, so I'm skipping him.

Fast-forward to Kingdom Rush Vengeance! But Vez'nan is dead… right? Wrong!
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After his "death", Vez'nan became imprisoned by one of the demon lords, Moloch. Because he has been sending demons to the kingdom, he must be stopped. After kicking his big rear end, Vez'nan's cage is destroyed, and he is nowhere to be seen… ooh!

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Free from imprisonment, Vez'nan returns to the Kingdom of Linirea, hoping to relax in his hot tub. To his horror, he discovers that his tower has been turned into a museum and carnival!
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It's time for revenge! Regathering his evil army (with new recruits too, like Twilight Elves and ghosts), Vez'nan journeys throughout the Kingdom of Linirea, conquering everything in his path. This includes the Dwarven Kingdom, the frozen north, and of course, Linirea itself. After breaking into King Denas's Castle, he banishes the poor king in a portal, causing him to disappear.
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Thus, Vez'nan has finally ruled over everything!
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Unfortunately for him, it turns out there's a bigger threat out there: The Unblinded Cult. That's for Kingdom Rush: Alliance.

One month after the events of Vengeance, the remainder of Linirea's forces ventured to the southern continent (the same one where the events of Origins took place) to look for their banished King. Vez'nan and his army arrive to inform them about a greater evil (The Unblinded Cult) that Denas failed to see, but the wizard himself was aware of. He then offers an alliance to stop the new threat and to find King Denas's, to which the good guys agree too. Sure, he took over your entire kingdom but that's water under the bridge now! Turns out there's guy has some pretty great negotiation skills.
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The Alliance manages to rescue King Denas from the cult and stop the evil deity they worship - The Overseer. Awesome! Oh, and Vez'nan allows Denas become the King of Linirea again. That's very nice of him!
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It's a happy ending! Well, not really. One word would describe this entire plot - Deception! With the cult dealt with and the Overseer petrified, Vez'nan retrieves the corrupted Tear of Elynie from his carcass (it was broken off of Vez'nan's staff after Lord Malagar was killed in Frontiers, and a cult member brought it to the Overseer), therefore regaining his true power. What a brilliant plan! What will happen next?! Find out in Kingdom Rush 6, whenever that releases.
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So that's the story of Vez'nan. What are his powers though? Other than banishing people?

Powers and abilities​

Vez'nan has extremely powerful magic, both with and without his staff. For one, he's capable of stealing souls, turning his victims into ashes in the process. That's one way to win arguments!
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Bonus gems!💎

He can also lock up towers and slam his staff for one powerful shockwave!
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When threatened, he can even transform into a powerful demon! He only does this in the first game though, not sure why.
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Oh and he can also summon demons!
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He's got lots of other specials, but there's too many to list here!

Vez'nan also has evil bad jokes. Like:
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Yikes. Wouldn't want to be part of that.

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He likes to quote pop culture! Guess he's The Joker now.

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Not the Ghostbusters, because he ain't a ghost!

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Ooh, spooky!

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He's aware of Sci-Fi I see. The quote is from a badly translated (and also meme-worthy) game…

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Watch out Gandalf!

And with that, I conclude my Vez'nan post! He's a pretty cool villain, definitely a combination of evil, smart, and goofy. Fantasy has lots of great characters, and I decided to go with one I know very well. What can I say? Kingdom Rush is awesome, and so is Fantasy!

I'm endorsing Team Fantasy! We have Magic on our side!
 

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Florida:
Like Dude if where talking about characters man then we GOTTA talks about that pink marshmallow dude kirby that dude is SICK cause not only can he use magic by copying whatever he sees dude but he's also like a god man? Idk if this accurate but that pink dude has destroyed not only a giant robot planet but also a super evil version of himself called Void Termina? And not only that but he also took down dark matter and evil jester dude and many many more big bad dudes in the past so with this dudes magic powers to copy anything means that no matter WHAT you throw at that dude he's always able to get back up man also like me Boo and some other dudes endorse Fantasy man.

Now hang on a minute, if we're gonna bring Kirby into this I definitely feel inclined to respond. While it's true that there are magic elements within the series and the home planet of Popstar does feature a lot of empty meadows, there's a lot of sci-fi elements in the series!

A significant amount of Kirby games involve intergalactic threats. The anime has got a lot going on too: including a monster of the week being teleported to Dreamland, calling Kirby, Meta Knight and others "star warriors", and the finale reveals that Meta Knight built a starship in secret which they use to pursue the overarching antagonist living in deep space once and for all.

To prevent this from going on too long, you mention a robot planet, void termina, dark matter, and evil jester dude specifically, so we're only going to go into these (even though there's way more than that to pull from Kirby).

Giant Robot Planet (Planet Robobot): A foreign object from outer space crashes into the planet. We learn that this was sent by the Haltmann Company, who wishes to turn the entire planet into machine in order to steal its resources. Now, I recognize nature vs man is a common fantasy trope, but a hostile takeover from an alien/alien invasion is definitely sci-fi. Not to mention the main mechanic is taking over different robots. That's not even counting other plot details like Meta Knight getting captured and experimented on through mechanical alterations, President Haltmann cloning his daughter Susie into a robot because he lost her in an accident , Kirby turning into the Halberd and flying into a space battle to take down the Star Dream

Void Termina (Star Allies): The final world in Star Allies involves Kirby traveling throughout deep space to confront Void Termina. It's pretty massive before you can get to the core but the entire arena is a giant space battle, with black holes and galaxies afoot.
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Dark Matter: I need to be honest, I haven't played enough of Dream Land 2 or Dream Land 3 so honestly I can't make an accurate rebuttal off memory but I am pretty sure you shoot a thing in the sky to fight Dark Matter in KDL2

Evil Jester Dude (Marx): Hey I know that one! In Kirby Super Star's Milky Way Wishes, the premise is that the sun and moon are fighting. So, Marx tells Kirby to collect the wishes to ask the Galactic Nova to get them to stop. Each wish is scattered across a different planet so we've got star systems in play here. Once you collect them all, you talk to the Nova, but Marx pushes Kirby out of the way and steals the wish for himself to become powerful. The Galactic Nova starts crashing into Planet Popstar, and to stop him you have a 2D space shooter to destroy its mechanisms from within. Once that's done, you confront Marx on a nearby planet and stop him once and for all (until The True Arena in Kirby Super Star Ultra anyway).

We could go on all day with Kirby and his space adventures. The Forgotten Land goes into multiple dimensions and genetic mutations. Kirby's Return to Dreamland has you travel across the planet, into another dimension, and sets its finale in yet another space shooter segment (albeit with dragons). Kirby 64 has each world take place on a different planet, with one of them involving several destroyed favorites and an epic climax in the sky as you shoot crystals into a bloody eye.

Yes there are plenty of fantasy elements to be found in Kirby too, but there's so much happening throughout the stars and galaxies within the series that I think it's worth mentioning them. Yes yes, there's more to sci-fi than just space, and just because something is in space doesn't necessarily mean it's sci-fi. However, for a game series that in Japan translates to "Kirby of the Stars" I think it's completely fair to say it counts as sci-fi.
 
Fantasy my beloved....

I don't have much energy to type out a big long post right now but I would like to take this time to direct everyone's attention to a fantasy anime called Frieren: Beyond Journey's End. I still need to finish watching it but I absolutely adore the handful of episodes I have seen. If you love the Fantasy genre then you will love this.
 
I endorse Team Sci-Fi but NOT Fi! Sword spirits are too fantastical! Cortana is far more realistic.

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