Would you like a different story/villain every once in a while?

I could literally write out my exact same argument and it would still be valid
 
And you'd still be wrong. Other media has things like, stories and plots, developed characters and shit that would actually justify changing that stuff.

Mario doesn't, nor is it ever going to. Thus, no reason to change the badguy.

They tried that shit with Donkey Kong and what happened? Most people just wanted King K.Rool back.
 
Except they actually completely omitted K Rool for every game after DK64, while Bowser has always been here, in spme way or another, mostly as a villain. No one said replace him, just basically... have something different every once in a while.

I mean, I'm not bothered by Bowser being the main bad guy, but I get the people who are.

BUT you can still do things with Bowser, if different is all we want. Odyssey at least threw some recurring appearances here and there, so I can say they made him a nice villain there, just as much as, say, Mario Galaxy, where you would somewhat feel a sense of threat around him. These are times I was thankful Bowser was the villain, because he's just the one who suits the role the most.
 
Even back then when it was just one game he was absent from people still just wanted King K.Rool back, the fact that it kept happening has just made it worse over the years.

And I know no one is saying permanently replace him, my argument is that (as far as the platformers go) the logistics offer no justification for it even for just one game.
 
Sonic fans just want Eggman back as a main villain. I know I do and I'm not a Sonic fan.

Why aren't you guys sick of Mario being the main good guy? You're scared I'd be offended?
 
Yeah I don't want Eggman being constantly sidelined by villains who are generic, bland, and boring. Don't like how that's been happening to him constantly.

Luckily, I don't think the same thing will happen to Bowser. Bowser has been the de facto villain in most Mario Party games (except Super) and I enjoy him all the time.
 
Mcmadness said:
And you'd still be wrong.
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you heard it here first folks, mcmadness told us our opinions are wrong, so they're wrong. might as well lock the topic now.

Mcmadness said:
Other media has things like, stories and plots, developed characters and shit that would actually justify changing that stuff.

Mario doesn't, nor is it ever going to. Thus, no reason to change the badguy.
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Mcmadness said:
They tried that shit with Donkey Kong and what happened? Most people just wanted King K.Rool back.
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probably because k. rool was insanely popular as a character, not just as a villain. they wanted him back regardless of whether he was a villain or not
 
Is Bowser not insanely popular as well?
 
of course, which is why i think they shouldn't rule him out as a character, but simply change up the villain scene once in a while

remember how good bowser's inside story was with bowser as a playable character instead of a villain? or mario and luigi superstar saga where bowser was a supporting character/minor antagonist? it works, these games are at least evidence of that, so i don't see why this should be just shot down immediately like our lives depended on it
 
Shiny Pichu said:
you heard it here first folks, mcmadness told us our opinions are wrong, so they're wrong. might as well lock the topic now.
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I'm not arguing opinions. I'm arguing from a developers stand point. They have absolutely no reason to do it.

Shiny Pichu said:
*coughcoughmarioandluigicoughcoughpapermariocoughcoughsupermariorpglegendofthesevenstarscoughcough*
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Exceptions don't make rules. The rpgs make up what, 10% of the games in this franchise? Besides, I'm talking about the platformers only.

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probably because k. rool was insanely popular as a character, not just as a villain. they wanted him back regardless of whether he was a villain or not
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Not true, I lost track of how many tiki vs kremlings or Kremlings vs Snowmad arguments I saw back when both those games were coming out. Hell I often still see them now.


Shiny Pichu said:
of course, which is why i think they shouldn't rule him out as a character, but simply change up the villain scene once in a while

remember how good bowser's inside story was with bowser as a playable character instead of a villain? or mario and luigi superstar saga where bowser was a supporting character/minor antagonist? it works, these games are at least evidence of that, so i don't see why this should be just shot down immediately like our lives depended on it
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This is where my bias comes in.

Yeah I remember Bowser's inside story. It's also the only time he's ever been a supporting character that didn't completely suck shit and I have no confidence in anyone doing that again properly.

His role in superstar saga was fucking awful and I never want to see anything like it again. He spends most of the game as either an amnesiac with a completely different personality or possessed by someone else who then proceeds to literally do exactly what he does thus making the entire concept of the new villain completely moot anyway. Superstar Saga is a good game in spite of his role in it, not because of it.
 
I have to agree with Mcmadness. Bowser also gives his first impressions as a bumbling fool especially up against the new characters when he's not being practically other characters. His derpy sprite didn't help at all.