Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions

[Fawfulthegreat64]

I think that while the changes in M&L are baffling and not really necessary, they're also not nearly on the level of Paper Mario and the story/OCs from SSS is intact so a PMCS-level uprising would feel incredibly petty.

 

[PrinceLarryKoopa88]

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I bet they're gonna give Leston some dialogue
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[Mcmadness]

Since they brought back the guide I wonder what affect it will have on other tutorials in the game?

 

[Fawfulthegreat64]

I never used the guide in Paper Jam, what exactly did it do?

 

[memoryman3]

This is going to be superior to the original game purely for it's amiibo support opening the gates for other characters not ever seen in these kinds of games before actually appearing and having an impact on gameplay.

 

[The Superstar Saga]

I on the other hand, would rather see noise get made so Nintendo higher ups can leave AlphaDream and IntelligentSystems alone to be original and creative with story and characters. But I always respect people who take the high road more than radicals such as myself. I respect you.

Any proof that it's nintendo who's been ordaining all of this, and it's not AlphaDream/IntelligentSystems taking the initiative here?

This:

AlphaDream has more autonomy, so it's fair to hold them responsible for trust. But Intelligent Systems cannot be blamed for trust issue and mistakes. It's the higher ups in Nintendo, like Miyamoto, that are responsible for the restrictions.

• What we do know is that AlphaDream fights back against Nintendo higher ups when restricted, and has more autonomy:
  • Dream Team: "The requests and suggestions by Nintendo on Alpha Dream were not always accepted and often required meetings, or discussions with the SPD producers. Sometimes both parties got annoyed with each other. " -http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=67599871postcount=1, https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/interview/aymj/vol1/index.html
  • Paper Jam: "Oh no, nothing to do with that! This time, since we had so many paper characters and doubles of the same character together, we had to prioritize moving the story forward and communicating the contrast between them. It would have been really difficult to put in original characters and work out when would be the best time for them to appear." -Ōtani, https://www.gamnesia.com/news/nintendo-explains-why-they-didnt-make-any-new-characters-for-mario-luigi-pa
  
  
• And Intelligent Systems on the other hand, gives in and obeys the Nintendo higher ups when restricted:
  • Sticker Star: "Aside from wanting us to change the atmosphere a lot, there were two main things that Miyamoto-san said from the start of the project-"It's fine without a story, so do we really need one?" and "As much as possible, complete it with only characters from the Super Mario world."
    -Tanabe, http://kotaku.com/5964444/miyamoto-convinced-the-people-behind-paper-mario-sticker-star-to-ditch-the-story
  • Color Splash: "Mario is not an IP that I created. From the position of someone borrowing the IP, I think it’s only natural to show respect to the person who created it, and let that feeling of respect guide us. So when Miyamoto-san, the father of Mario, asks us “could you make a game with only characters from the Mario family?”, I think it’s only natural for us to give it our best shot. In other words, we are not currently thinking about returning to old NPCs. Incidentally, I do think Color Splash may have proven that we can still make a game entertaining, even if our original characters don’t appear as NPCs. And with that belief, we will keep on continuing to do our best." -Tanabe, http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2016/12/28/afterwords-paper-mario-color-splash.aspx

Repression of story and original characters remains present in Paper Mario as Intelligent System submits to higher ups restrictions. But AlphaDream seemed to fight back and has since gained a lot more autonomy from Nintendo higher ups. So it's not so much about trusting the devs, the higher ups are typically the ones responsible.

The trend heavily implies it, of course, I could be wrong.

 

[Mcmadness]

I never used the guide in Paper Jam, what exactly did it do?

Tell you how to play instead of putting you through a forced tutorial.

This is going to be superior to the original game purely for it's amiibo support opening the gates for other characters not ever seen in these kinds of games before actually appearing and having an impact on gameplay.

Just keep telling yourself that.

 

[Czario]

Hrm, I probably won't bother getting this since I have the original on Virtual Console and I'm not all that impressed with this version.

 

[PrinceLarryKoopa88]

This is going to be superior to the original game purely for it's amiibo support opening the gates for other characters not ever seen in these kinds of games before actually appearing and having an impact on gameplay.

The original is king, no matter how many revisions you put into the new one.
Amiibo can't buy me out.

 

[Fawfulthegreat64]

This is going to be superior to the original game purely for it's amiibo support opening the gates for other characters not ever seen in these kinds of games before actually appearing and having an impact on gameplay.

The only way it'll be superior is if extra content is added to the main game, such as a Battle Ring. Even then, there's things the original still does better: more expressive pixel art and some designs being better suited to their role. Amiibo will only make a difference if they actually work in the main game, which I strongly doubt they will, but I'll eat my words if we get a boss fight against Wario and Waluigi in which they use their own twisted Bros. Attacks, OR if they give any original SSS character in this game an amiibo. But if amiibo support is just on the level of Paper Jam, no way in hell that alone will make this superior.

 

[Harpesian]

I've been seeing some things I prefer about the original but also things that I prefer about this version... I honestly feel like the optimal Superstar Saga to own is both of them lol.