Unpopular opinions about the Mario series

Mcmadness said:
Luigi in SPM was terrible. I mean Mr L is a funny novelty for a bit but this game was the most Luigi has ever done in this series and he spends most of it not as himself and is only around party wise for 2 chapters, one of which you don't even get to use him for the finale.
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I'm not going to deny you the right to dislike SPM's presentation of Luigi but I personally adore and whether you like him or hate him there's no denying that Mr. L is hugely popular, which I would say was with good reason. Having him as a villain was certain to be entertaining to people of all ages and give us a unique look at a gentleman-thief persona of Luigi but who still seems to remember Mario (e.g. by calling him "Mr. Jumpsallthetime")
 
Mr L is hardly "super popular" like most Mario rpg folk he has a loud but relatively small fanbase.


He also wasn't a gentleman thief type either, he was a Tatsunoko-esque character with the exaggerated poses, the mask and the robot he pilots.
 
Mcmadness said:
Mr L is hardly "super popular" like most Mario rpg folk he has a loud but relatively small fanbase.


He also wasn't a gentleman thief type either, he was a Tatsunoko-esque character with the exaggerated poses, the mask and the robot he pilots.
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Well considering how underrepresented the Mario RPGs are imo he did very well.

Haven't heard of "Tatsunoko." Meh, didn't think about that comparison too much but he's still really cool to me.
 
The rpgs are as "under represented" as any other Mario spin off. In that they aren't. They get as much attention as anything else that isn't absurdly popular like Mario Kart.

Tatsunoko is an anime company that made a lot of major series that many other things have parodied and made homages to over the years. The fact that you don't know doesn't surprise me.
 
Mcmadness said:
The rpgs are as "under represented" as any other Mario spin off. In that they aren't. They get as much attention as anything else that isn't absurdly popular like Mario Kart.
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I get that compared to a lot of VG franchises they do get a lot of attention and after all Mario is the most famous VG franchise in the world, but still... they just have this awesomely unique charm to them that I haven't found, and doubt I can find, in anything else, and that they're just overshadowed by shallow driving games and platformers, the former of which I have never really been into but will give a second chance per MK8D.

Have you read my VG fav list?
 
It's Mario, it's "shallow" by nature, including the rpgs. The only reason the rpgs come off not as such to you as due to the genre by it's very nature requiring less reflexes and more basic number crunching for stats and puzzles to be solved.

And you make no effort to actually explore outside of them so you'll never find this "unique charm" you think they have.
 
Mcmadness said:
It's Mario, it's "shallow" by nature, including the rpgs. The only reason the rpgs come off not as such to you as due to the genre by it's very nature requiring less reflexes and more basic number crunching for stats and puzzles to be solved.

And you make no effort to actually explore outside of them so you'll never find this "unique charm" you think they have.
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I was talking about the story, characters, dialogue, enviroments, atmospheres, and music rather than gameplay mainly there but if I am talking gameplay I actually find games such as TTYD the perfect balance between too simple and too complex. Though SPM when I was younger was cool for that as well in that it was not at all complicated but unique with a few RPG elements thrown in there and I still find it tolerable at least nowadays.

Well not really, it's just that I don't feel I can attach myself to non Mario RPGs as much. I tried Zelda and it was good but not the same. I'm trying Fire Emblem some time as well but IDK. I just don't feel I can deeply attach myself to an RPG from a franchise famed for being deep and fantasy-like and doesn't involve that beloved plumber. I mean I've said this several times before but you get the point I hope.
 
Even the stories are "shallow" basic stuff as well. You have the good guys and the badguys who are trying to takeover/destroy the world because evil. Or in Count Bleck's case because sad. There is no real moral complexity, no deeper meanings, no intricate political or philosophical themes to be explored.

It's all simple and basic because these games were meant to be played by anyone of any age, including small children.

Also for somebody like you I'd probably recommend more action oriented rpgs like the Tales of series or the mana series. Those are pretty good places to start.
 
Mcmadness said:
Even the stories are "shallow" basic stuff as well. You have the good guys and the badguys who are trying to takeover/destroy the world because evil. Or in Count Bleck's case because sad. There is no real moral complexity, no deeper meanings, no intricate political or philosophical themes to be explored.

It's all simple and basic because these games were meant to be played by anyone of any age, including small children.

Also for somebody like you I'd probably recommend more action oriented rpgs like the Tales of series or the mana series. Those are pretty good places to start.
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I said, it's deep for a Mario game and this makes it quite special to many including myself.

Yes, I appreciated SPM and BIS as a small child and I have grown up to continue loving them. That is the kind of magic Mario RPGs have, to entertain a child who will retain nostalgia decades into the future. I'm not sure playing Final Fantasy or something would have been able to pull me in as much even at that age.

Ok I might give it a thought but I doubt anything as big as Paper Mario will come out of this. Don't have a Playstation though so that might be a limiting factor. I was going to go for Radiant Dawn (same composers as SPM + already have the hardware to play it)
 
"Deep for a Mario game" isn't exactly saying much. It still isn't deep.

I haven't played Radiant Dawn myself but its story is actually pretty good imo. A lot of things happening in the world, multiple POVs, and it's a rather complex development (I know you even can unlock quite a bit of story if you play a second time). Oh and the narration is voice-acted.

Although if you can I'd definitely recommend playing Path of Radiance as well. Really amazing game. When I say a game surpassed Mario Galaxy in my list of faves, you know that game did something.