Yoshiwaker
Star Spirit
Hardships in life, insanity, etc.
Do you beleive in Jesus?
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Dr. Javelin
Nathan Latsk
Ugh...I really hate this line of thinking. It's part of the reason I'm a feminist.Brick Tamland said:
Exactly. The point of organized religion is so that members of one faith can reach out to one another and support each other in times of need. Have you never been inside a church? They are always running donation drives and such for people in need. If the religion was individualized, that wouldn't happen. There are also mission trips funded by the church and staffed by the church that go out to help with disaster relief. Organized religion brings much more good than bad.Herr Shyguy said:
BLT said:
That would be the fault of extremists. Contrary to popular belief, Islam is not evil. In fact, at least 90% of the Muslims on Earth are peaceful people. It's the 10% who are extremists and decide to kill others that give the rest a bad reputation. There will always be evil people out there who find that religion becomes a great tool for evil, just as can be a great tool for good as well. Take Hitler for an example. He incited all of Germany to rise up and purify themselves of the Jews and other peoples in the name of Christianity.BLT said:
Zero777
Middle Eastern Federation
Also, religion doesn't cause all those things. People cause those things to happen. The relationship between religion and those actions is similar to your life span and the age of the universe, it doesn't even register, there are hundreds of other things that causes that.
ShyGuy27
The Cardinal is dead -- long live The Cardinal!
Remember Stalin, the greatest mass-murderer in modern history? The Soviet Union was pretty anti-religious IIRC.BLT said:
That's not supposed to be chauvinistic, the reason for life is to pass on your genes to the next generation. The easiest way to accomplish that is through sex.Dr. Javelin said:
Kyoko Sakura
Celestial Guide
I disagree; there are plenty of insane atheists.BLT said:
Oh I guess Shyguy already covered that but I was thinking more along the lines of paranoid ones and such.
Unless you want to call aliens an organized religion.
Kyoko Sakura
Celestial Guide
You can't have it both ways! I think almost anything that two or more people agree on or follow can be seen as a religion.BLT said:
Kyoko Sakura
Celestial Guide
BLT, your initial point still seemed to
If you don't have a religion, I think it's weird to say it can cause insanity. In theory, wouldn't it cause NOTHING?
Alfred Kinsey and Jeffrey Dahmer were atheists. (Need I continue from that point?)
Stalinism had a personality cult, but that's not a true cult. Technically, you could say the revere of Stalin was a cult, but Kim Il-sung is still revered after his death, which is usually the difference between a cult and a religion. North Korea is more like a religion than Stalinism.BLT said:
Nazism was the most extreme form of fascism. Unlike other forms, it didn't use religion (usually Catholicism just based on demographics) as part of the regime, but intended to make worship of Jesus into worship of the State (of course, being fascism, that also means worship of the Party and the Fuhrer).
Religion brings people peace of mind, and filled a useful void before modern science in explaining the world. Organized religion is even more useful because it can build the backbone of a community, increase togetherness, and yes, be exploited by elites and extremists to meet their goals.
Kyoko Sakura
Celestial Guide
*before modern science in explaining the world
Sin, of course.BLT said:
Dr. Javelin
Nathan Latsk
I might just sig this. Seriously? One of the 10 commandments is "Thou shalt not commit murder."BLT said:
Dr. Javelin
Nathan Latsk
War is not murder as long as there is a reason for it. World War I was murder because it didn't accomplish anything except death. World War II was not murder because we had to fight back against Hitler.
So find an instance where people killed without God's orders and weren't punished.
So find an instance where people killed without God's orders and weren't punished.
BLT said:
Mason said:
Yes.
That doesn't mean I like that.
Nationalism, racism, etc...BLT said:
Religion is just a tool in the oppressor's shed. But it's more than just that.
As for World War I being murder... it was senseless slaughter, don't make it worse by telling everyone drafted that they were forced to commit murder too! The Holocaust was murder. The Eastern front was murder when there was no quarter for POWs.
The Bible was not written all at once, so of course it's inconsistent. In the Old Testament God is one scary mofo, in the New Testament he mellows out.
Zero777
Middle Eastern Federation
And do you even know who are you talking about, are you ignoring what Sodom and Goliath did? Goliath and Sodom both cursed at God (one of the commandments), had sexual immoralities (sex with animals, sex with kids, sex with parents, sex with neighbors, sex with priest and priestess, and even sex with the same gender), and both practice barbaric and pagan rituals and practices. Also, even if they commit these things, God is gracious enough to give the WAY over too many times, enough warnings of what consequences will/may happen if they continue, one of them being death; according to the honor system, a sin like that is punishable by death, but God is willing to give warnings, second chances, etc. to anyone.
agreedPlumber said:
Dr. Javelin
Nathan Latsk
Speaking of that...how can homosexuality still exist? I mean, if someone can't pass on their homo genes, then how could anyone possibly be born gay/lesbian? Logic says it's their choice, and I really don't know why anyone would choose to.Mutsuki Minase said:
Dr. Javelin
Nathan Latsk
Who? And you're also referring to the Old Testament, where God had to be more harsh because humanity was less civilized. These days he can afford to be more merciful.