Super Mario = Paper Mario?

ChristmasDinner said:
I mean just scrolling through comments of YouTube videos to do with Paper Mario it seems that most people like it.

To test I just went to Hero's "What happened to SPM" and he himself said that he didn't like Super Paper Mario but when I went to the comments sure there were a few people who agreed with him but there were a huge number of people who came to its defense.
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who is Hero and why should I care about the opinion of him and his fanbase
 
Jack Black said:
who is Hero and why should I care about the opinion of him and his fanbase
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He's a youtuber, I don't know much else about him other than he has some affiliation with PM and doesn't like SPM

True the comments section of a YouTube video is not a fair test as it depends on the people who watch them, but given this dude clearly isn't an SPM fan anyway, things like this convince me SPM isn't all that hated anymore. It's not just that video, I've seen many others with similar comments sections of YT videos relating to Paper Mario.

On the other hand though I just went to the title sceen theme for sticker star and it actually had some positivity in the comments, but not overwhelming. I suppose people are more likely to watch a video or listen to music about a game they love than a game they hate but not all of these videos really have that bias in favour of SPM if you ask me.
 
All what we have are anecdotes. We cannot accurate gauge the overall consensus of a fanbase. However, this isn't a debate, it's all a matter of opinion, and my point still stands: there are common, prevalent, shared negative opinions on Super Paper Mario and they aren't to be dismissed, regardless if they're a smaller group of people or not.

Comment sections on YouTube videos don't really invite all that much discussion to begin with. They're mostly echo chambers with most people with similar views already agreeing with the said YouTuber, since those types of people are the sort of ones that their channel attracts in the first place. Someone like me won't be clicking YouTube videos for those sort of subjects, and thus won't be leaving comments behind. I know there are a few weirdos who click on such YouTube videos just to hate on the games and write a negative comment but those get like downrated to oblivion and are practically invisible anyway unless the author ironically pins that comment.
 
I generally see more praise for Super Paper Mario than hate in the Paper Mario subreddit, which is a fandom hub for the Paper Mario series in general.

Usually when someone posts a negative opinion on SPM, they're met with downvotes/angry reacts, unless it's a genuinely well-constructed and constructively critical post in which case the responses are mostly "i respect your opinion but disagree/i see your point but i don't think that ruins the game"

That being said it's definitely the most controversial game in the series, with the consensus on SS/CS being more negatively skewed and 64/TTYD being more positively skewed. I think that's actually pretty poetic considering SPM's theme of light/dark and balance between the two sides.
 
I think this thread went too far on a tangent of "how unpopular is SPM?"

Anyway, I'd say that to conclude it, SPM to me seems much more unpopular than Galaxy is relative to how famous they are, but SPM still is a lot more popular than SS or CS ever will be, so it at least loosely fits the analogy I quoted in the OP.
 
Well, it's the same situation on Marioboards. You aren't going to find people who aren't fans of Mario on Marioverse, since this forum doesn't attract these sorts of people. You're not going to find questions such as "Why don't you like Paper Mario?" on a Paper Mario subreddit. As I said, it's an echo chamber of opinions and people critical of Paper Mario aren't going to be on there. I do dislike trolls and people who say shit like "Paper Mario has never been good" and make low effort bait but still, you're not going to find much honest, effortly crititcal posts because again, it doesn't attract this sort of people to begin with: most people are nice enough to just leave fandoms alone if they don't like the games they represent.

I do agree that Super Paper Mario has a stronger fanbase than either Sticker Star or Color Splash though. Especially Sticker Star. It's one of the most hated Mario games out there.
 
Redshift said:
I do agree that Super Paper Mario has a stronger fanbase than either Sticker Star or Color Splash though. Especially Sticker Star. It's one of the most hated Mario games out there.
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Last time I checked on TheTopTens SS was 10th and SPM and TTYD were both above 100. SPM was actually lower than TTYD but I don't think that's accurate.
 
I wouldn't call the content of TheTopTens "inaccurate", it's really just their opinion, unless you meant that you misremembered their placements.
 
I just checked now and TTYD is still higher on the "worst" list than SPM is. But I mean from all other anecdotal experience TTYD is less hated than SPM so idk how that happened.
 
Probably the author's unpopular opinion then. Like how I have the unpopular opinion that PM64 is better than TTYD.