My new Shadow the Hedgehog Theme

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Baby Luigi said:
MattMVS7 said:
But anyway, I am speaking words of wisdom and truth here and you should listen to me. You should not dismiss my musical claims as nonsense or that of an inflated ego. As I said before in one of my packets, I am a messenger of truth and I am not trying to insult anybody, not trying to inflate my ego, and I have every justified reason to be convinced that these themes I hear in my mind truly are that great as I describe them to be. As a matter of fact, you shouldn't dismiss my worldview that I explain in my book and other packet since these could very well be words of truth and wisdom, too, despite how much nonsense it might all seem to you right now. I instead see every justified reason to treat me with honor, praise, respect, glory, and to see me as having every right to my own personal values without deeming said values as spoiled, childish, etc.

Didn't I already tell you that execution of concepts into the art form you are seeking is what matters far more than the ideas you in your head? It's far easier to imagine your great concept in your head than to actually conceive it. ALL art is like this, and this is something you need to understand.

Also, I get the sense of inflated ego with paragraphs and paragraphs of un-adulterated, fluffy nonsense and the use of certain adjectives every time you post. Just because you say you don't doesn't mean we don't get that sense with your actions, which speak louder than your words. Your Family Guy tangent isn't much better, and I agree with Glowsquid that I didn't find it funny.

I'm not a music expert, but if you created something I have some expertise in (3D rendering), I'll criticize the hell out of it if you describe your first render as "honor, praise, respect, glory".

Glowsquid said:
this is exactly as unfunny as your average family goy joke so you have a tremendous natural ability to imitate hack tv writers, if nothing else.

Now, I am not defending my ego here. Rather, I am defending a certain position. I am defending the position that, for example, if you simply listened to the notes themselves of Amazing Grace or any other beautiful song without the chords, proper instruments, bass line, harmony, etc., then that melody would still convey that beautiful power. Perfecting Amazing Grace would definitely improve and complete the craft, but that is just icing on the cake to fully bring out the beautiful power of Amazing Grace. The fact of the matter is, the notes themselves are all that is needed to convey the beautiful power of Amazing Grace. I am also defending the position that simple themes such as the themes I have made can also convey profound, powerful, beautiful, dramatic, etc. emotion without the harmony, bass line, etc. I could very well just have the notes alone of any simple, compelling theme and it be enough to convey its power. Have you ever seen those wind up dolls or music boxes that play a tune? Well, that is enough to convey the power of those tunes. When they play the tune, it is just the tune itself without the accompanying chords, bass line, etc.

With all of this beings said, all I am doing here is sharing to you the notes of my simple, compelling themes for now until I can perfect them later on. I am expecting praise and glorification just from the simple themes themselves and the power they convey despite the fact that they are not perfected into full themes or songs. To tell you the truth, I am so tired of people who dismiss the power of any given theme or song simply because of other factors such as having too high of a musical standard and expecting any song to be as great as Beethoven's or Bach's music, expecting the person to be famous and rich and dismissing the very power of the music he/she has come up with simply because said person was not famous and rich while famous and rich people who create awful music have their music deemed as great, and the list goes on. Another one of these factors would, of course, be the factors here in this topic which are factors that are preventing people from embracing and appreciating the very power that my simple themes convey as they are now in note form.
 
Having standards isn't elitist. Craftmanship matters.
 
MattMVS7 said:
Now, I am not defending my ego here. Rather, I am defending a certain position. I am defending the position that, for example, if you simply listened to the notes themselves of Amazing Grace or any other beautiful song without the chords, proper instruments, bass line, harmony, etc., then that melody would still convey that beautiful power. Perfecting Amazing Grace would definitely improve and complete the craft, but that is just icing on the cake to fully bring out the beautiful power of Amazing Grace. The fact of the matter is, the notes themselves are all that is needed to convey the beautiful power of Amazing Grace. I am also defending the position that simple themes such as the themes I have made can also convey profound, powerful, beautiful, dramatic, etc. emotion without the harmony, bass line, etc. I could very well just have the notes alone of any simple, compelling theme and it be enough to convey its power. Have you ever seen those wind up dolls or music boxes that play a tune? Well, that is enough to convey the power of those tunes. When they play the tune, it is just the tune itself without the accompanying chords, bass line, etc.

Which none of your tunes have. Stuff like Amazing Grace are composed by professionals who had years of experience.

The sum of the piece is worth more than its parts. You'll lose meaning if you remove essential parts like instruments, bass line, harmony. Hell, with Amazing Grace, if it was composed with JUST the bare bones parts, no one would remember the tune that fondly: the other stuff contribute just around as heavily as the main center-piece structure itself. Small details matter.

MattMVS7 said:
To tell you the truth, I am so tired of people who dismiss the power of any given theme or song simply because of other factors such as having too high of a musical standard and expecting any song to be as great as Beethoven's or Bach's music, expecting the person to be famous and rich and dismissing the very power of the music he/she has come up with simply because said person was not famous and rich while famous and rich people who create awful music have their music deemed as great, and the list goes on. Another one of these factors would, of course, be the factors here in this topic which are factors that are preventing people from embracing and appreciating the very power that my simple themes convey as they are now in note form.

Hint: if you don't want people to harshly criticize your pieces, don't be so arrogant and label your pieces with heavily loaded words like "glory", "honor", or any other synonym in the first place. You wanted us to have these expectations in the first place.
 
MattMVS7 said:
You are saying that I can't simply have the notes themselves and that be enough? If, for example, I just presented to you the notes of Amazing Grace without any chords, bass line, etc. just like how I did with my Shadow theme, you are saying that the power of that theme would not get across to others? Wouldn't we just consider the perfecting of Amazing Grace to be simply icing on the cake? That is, something that would definitely improve and perfect Amazing Grace. Although, the notes themselves of the theme or song would be enough to convey its beautiful power.
Not necessarily, but yes, if you were to strip down Amazing Grace to its bare elements, it won't have the same "beautiful power" and I say it probably won't match the original. What makes something work is the sum of all the parts it has; every single aspect of that song is that way for a reason. There is nothing wrong with remixing or covering the song, but you'll have to do it right and maintain the general essence of the song. That's how I think anyway, I'm not a music person. You can't half-ass pieces and then say "bruh simplicity is great and why is no one appreciating my work" and cite "bruh minimalism". Even the simple art pieces are deceptively complex and probably took a lot of tweaking and planning to perfect. Everything good takes effort. Stripping music down is NOT effort.

MattMVS7 said:
I am expecting praise and glorification just from the simple themes themselves and the power they convey despite the fact that they are not perfected into full themes or songs. To tell you the truth, I am so tired of people who dismiss the power of any given theme or song simply because of other factors such as having too high of a musical standard and expecting any song to be as great as Beethoven's or Bach's music[...]
And I find it strange you use Beethoven and Bach's music as a standard as those pieces are highly intricate, brimming in complexity soup, pretty much the opposite of the simple thing you champion so much

also that Family Guy "joke" you made was so sexist and overall terrible, I lost my will to laugh

Frankly, you're naturally funny on your own with your crazy ramblings and nonsensical music, and with your own lofty self-inflated expectations, with "expecting praise and glorification". You don't need to write Family Guy jokes when you can just continue writing and making.... whatever the hell this is, while doubling down when people laugh at you.
 
Baby Luigi said:
MattMVS7 said:
Now, I am not defending my ego here. Rather, I am defending a certain position. I am defending the position that, for example, if you simply listened to the notes themselves of Amazing Grace or any other beautiful song without the chords, proper instruments, bass line, harmony, etc., then that melody would still convey that beautiful power. Perfecting Amazing Grace would definitely improve and complete the craft, but that is just icing on the cake to fully bring out the beautiful power of Amazing Grace. The fact of the matter is, the notes themselves are all that is needed to convey the beautiful power of Amazing Grace. I am also defending the position that simple themes such as the themes I have made can also convey profound, powerful, beautiful, dramatic, etc. emotion without the harmony, bass line, etc. I could very well just have the notes alone of any simple, compelling theme and it be enough to convey its power. Have you ever seen those wind up dolls or music boxes that play a tune? Well, that is enough to convey the power of those tunes. When they play the tune, it is just the tune itself without the accompanying chords, bass line, etc.

Which none of your tunes have. Stuff like Amazing Grace are composed by professionals who had years of experience.

The sum of the piece is worth more than its parts. You'll lose meaning if you remove essential parts like instruments, bass line, harmony. Hell, with Amazing Grace, if it was composed with JUST the bare bones parts, no one would remember the tune that fondly: the other stuff contribute just around as heavily as the main center-piece structure itself. Small details matter.

MattMVS7 said:
To tell you the truth, I am so tired of people who dismiss the power of any given theme or song simply because of other factors such as having too high of a musical standard and expecting any song to be as great as Beethoven's or Bach's music, expecting the person to be famous and rich and dismissing the very power of the music he/she has come up with simply because said person was not famous and rich while famous and rich people who create awful music have their music deemed as great, and the list goes on. Another one of these factors would, of course, be the factors here in this topic which are factors that are preventing people from embracing and appreciating the very power that my simple themes convey as they are now in note form.

Hint: if you don't want people to harshly criticize your pieces, don't be so arrogant and label your pieces with heavily loaded words like "glory", "honor", or any other synonym in the first place. You wanted us to have these expectations in the first place.

LeftyGreenMario said:
MattMVS7 said:
You are saying that I can't simply have the notes themselves and that be enough? If, for example, I just presented to you the notes of Amazing Grace without any chords, bass line, etc. just like how I did with my Shadow theme, you are saying that the power of that theme would not get across to others? Wouldn't we just consider the perfecting of Amazing Grace to be simply icing on the cake? That is, something that would definitely improve and perfect Amazing Grace. Although, the notes themselves of the theme or song would be enough to convey its beautiful power.
Not necessarily, but yes, if you were to strip down Amazing Grace to its bare elements, it won't have the same "beautiful power" and I say it probably won't match the original. What makes something work is the sum of all the parts it has; every single aspect of that song is that way for a reason. There is nothing wrong with remixing or covering the song, but you'll have to do it right and maintain the general essence of the song. That's how I think anyway, I'm not a music person. You can't half-ass pieces and then say "bruh simplicity is great and why is no one appreciating my work" and cite "bruh minimalism". Even the simple art pieces are deceptively complex and probably took a lot of tweaking and planning to perfect. Everything good takes effort. Stripping music down is NOT effort.

MattMVS7 said:
I am expecting praise and glorification just from the simple themes themselves and the power they convey despite the fact that they are not perfected into full themes or songs. To tell you the truth, I am so tired of people who dismiss the power of any given theme or song simply because of other factors such as having too high of a musical standard and expecting any song to be as great as Beethoven's or Bach's music[...]
And I find it strange you use Beethoven and Bach's music as a standard as those pieces are highly intricate, brimming in complexity soup, pretty much the opposite of the simple thing you champion so much

also that Family Guy "joke" you made was so sexist and overall terrible, I lost my will to laugh

Frankly, you're naturally funny on your own with your crazy ramblings and nonsensical music, and with your own lofty self-inflated expectations, with "expecting praise and glorification". You don't need to write Family Guy jokes when you can just continue writing and making.... whatever the hell this is, while doubling down when people laugh at you.

I could have sworn though that I listened to musical tunes I never heard before on certain wind up dolls or music boxes and said tunes conveyed their very power to me even without the accompanying musical factors. But you say that my tunes don't convey any great, beautiful, etc. power. This all goes back to what I stated since the very beginning. I said that there is a memory of the truly great and powerful tunes in my mind blinding me from seeing the reproduced tunes for the complete crap that they really are. I mean, I have the truly great and amazing tunes in my mind, but such memories do not allow me to see the reproduced tunes for what they truly are and all their flaws that make them complete crap. Lastly, as for my Family Guy scene, I think it really is that great and funny and that there are those factors I've mentioned before that are preventing people from truly embracing and appreciating its comical greatness. That factor could be something such as the fact that I, myself, am not famous and am apparently a disliked individual here. Remember, fame and how you get along with people plays a great role in how others judge your works of art.
 
MattMVS7 said:
I said that there is a memory of the truly great and powerful tunes in my mind blinding me from seeing the reproduced tunes for the complete crap that they really are. I mean, I have the truly great and amazing tunes in my mind, but such memories do not allow me to see the reproduced tunes for what they truly are and all their flaws that make them complete crap.

Welcome to Art 101, you just stated the very basic foundation of art that everyone, including nonartists, know.
 
Baby Luigi said:
MattMVS7 said:
I said that there is a memory of the truly great and powerful tunes in my mind blinding me from seeing the reproduced tunes for the complete crap that they really are. I mean, I have the truly great and amazing tunes in my mind, but such memories do not allow me to see the reproduced tunes for what they truly are and all their flaws that make them complete crap.

Welcome to Art 101, you just stated the very basic foundation of art that everyone, including nonartists, know.

But the thing is, some of my tunes I might be able to accurately reproduce just as how I hear them in my mind. I mean, my current tunes might have failed, but do you mind if I try out one last tune and see if it is all just a bunch of random keys plucked out on the keyboard or if the theme I have envisioned in my mind truly has gotten through to you and others?

I will say one last thing here. Now, I am not thinking I am special in the sense of being one of a kind. There are, in fact, many other naturally gifted people like me out there. It would anger me to not only see my compositions and funny scenes deemed as stale, bland, or not that good when they really are deserving of great recognition and praise just as how it would get to me to see works of arts of other gifted people like me out there being given the same treatment. If my themes and their power did not get across to others, then that is not their fault. But if they did and other people are simply not giving them the recognition and praise they deserve due to all of the factors I've mentioned, then that would get to me and it would also anger me to see the same treatment being given towards others and their works of art. I say that as long as my themes and funny scenes possess the actual power/comedy I thought them to be and said power of my themes and scenes are clear to others, then that is what is deserving of the praise and recognition. If my themes and scenes really do possess that greatness, but other people were blind to that greatness due to any given factor, then that would get to me, too.
 
So if we were to turn this whole thing into yet another Super Saiyan analogy, then what this would mean is that these pieces are so profound and impactful, they have ascended beyond mortal comprehension. The power emanating from that which is clad in the ki of gods is untracable to mortals who lack god ki themselves. Only a god can sense a god, while a mortal senses nothing. A fascinating concept.

So if it takes a god to accurately judge the merits of a god, then it follows that it would require a guy with his head up his ass to perceive the true value of a guy with his head up his ass.

What a powerful statement.