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[Koops]

The RPGs are actually what give the characters besides Mario their personalities, such as showing that Bowser is the type of bad guy that doesn't always think through stuff and ends up failing, and is sometimes overestimating himself, and also... well... you see my point. And those traits are still here in Color Splash, when Bowser regains consciousness and begins talking by himself.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

They are more than this:
Bowser is evil
Wario is bad, greedy, gross
Luigi is a coward
Daisy is very very very loud

The thing is, everything that you said is just a generic personality that you could slap onto anyone and instantly create a character. These personality aspects are never explored, developed or anything of the sort since doing so would require story and character development, which is barely ever used in Mario games. That's what makes characters from movies/books/anime/whatever interesting. So while Mario characters have personality, it's never used to make them any more interesting than the initial impression from playing one round of Mario Kart with them. It's what they're designed for, they aren't meant to be deep characters.

The Mario RPGs do a little for characters like Bowser and Luigi, since those games are more story driven and can afford to do stuff like that to make the game interesting, but that's basically it for the main cast.

 

[Xiahou Ba]

none of these traits are much semblance of any personality outside of being stock

 

[Mcmadness]

Personality is not this series strong point. Never has been.

 

[Starlight24]

Rosalina has the most personality out of all the characters.

Or at least , the less generic one in Mario games.

everybody else is more of the same tbh.

 

[memoryman3]

Rosalina has the most personality out of all the characters.

Or at least , the less generic one in Mario games.

everybody else is more of the same tbh.

Heh.

Also, I would like Yoshi to be an optional powerup that changes based on character. It would have 6 colours.

 

[Magikrazy]

I like that idea, actually.

 

[Mcmadness]

Rosalina has the most personality out of all the characters.

Or at least , the less generic one in Mario games.

everybody else is more of the same tbh.

Nah, she's also pretty average. Just your typical cosmic lady who speaks mysteriously.

 

[Daisy and Rosalina]

They are more than this:
Bowser is evil
Wario is bad, greedy, gross
Luigi is a coward
Daisy is very very very loud

The thing is, everything that you said is just a generic personality that you could slap onto anyone and instantly create a character. These personality aspects are never explored, developed or anything of the sort since doing so would require story and character development, which is barely ever used in Mario games. That's what makes characters from movies/books/anime/whatever interesting. So while Mario characters have personality, it's never used to make them any more interesting than the initial impression from playing one round of Mario Kart with them. It's what they're designed for, they aren't meant to be deep characters.

The Mario RPGs do a little for characters like Bowser and Luigi, since those games are more story driven and can afford to do stuff like that to make the game interesting, but that's basically it for the main cast.

The personality traits I've wrote are not the same that your quote has, those you listed are acutally generic, the others are not.


Rosalina? She is ok in terms of personality but that is not her strong point. At all.

 

[Xiahou Ba]

explain how any of those characters are not generic.

i'll requote you

Bowser is evil and shows different traits in RPGs.

evil and showing different traits? most competently written villains are already that, but are far more complex and nuanced than "he wants power".

Wario is bad, greedy, gross and the minunderstood one.

"misunderstood"? where did you get this from? all depictions of him portray him as a greedy, selfish slob. i don't see where else he's misunderstood. even so, that's the stock description of someone who looks this way but is actually this instead.

Luigi is a coward that shows some courage when it's necessary, he is also really really clumsy.

most competently written cowards show courage in times of distress. i mean, that's what adrenaline is for.

Daisy is energetic, loud, sassy and tomboyish.

yeah, this sounds completely generic to me.

I mean, don't get me wrong, characters can still be enjoyable despite having bare minimum, generic qualities, but you shouldn't give too much credit to these characters.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

The personality traits I've wrote are not the same that your quote has, those you listed are acutally generic, the others are not.

The only difference was that you mentioned their secondary aspects which are generic for their archetype. Cowardly main characters will always get past their fear to do something heroic for example, Luigi isn't unique in that regard.

Regardless the main point of my post was that the personalities of the characters never gets developed which is what makes them unique. Luigi for example is never going to change, we're not going to see some arc in the story that makes Luigi realise that he shouldn't be trying to be his bro and instead be his own person. Bowser is never going to become a permanent good guy. Wario is never going to change his ways and go to the gym or give out money. Daisy is never going to shut up.

Changing a character by means of the story is what develops a character into having a good personality. Mario characters have got practically nothing because there's barely any story or unique dialogue in general, and that's not going to change.

Edit: Ninja'd by Baby Luigi, she brings out similar points so read that as well.