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Walkazo

Walkazo

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Due to the recently-passed proposals (MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_44#Redesign_RPG_infoboxes_and_bestiaries) all the existing RPG infoboxes have been redesigned, and one template's been created (Template:Pm2enemybox). Most infoboxes require inputs to be updated, changed and/or removed, and any infoboxes in stats sections need to be switched to the horizontal form (using "|align=horizontal"). Also, infoboxes buried in history sections should be moved to "Official profiles and statistics" sections; if there isn't a stats section yet, make one. If an RPG infobox is the article's overall infobox, at the top right corner, then that's fine, but anywhere else is just clutter.

The same proposal also approved the redesign of bestiaries, but I've left the prepared PM draft for Megadardery to implement himself, as he did most of that work. IMO, updating the infoboxes is higher priority than the bestiaries, since the bestiaries are functional in the meantime, whereas many infoboxes are conspicuously outdated now, and so, community effort should be on updating them anyway. Anyone who wants to help with the rollout of the infoboxes, feel free to do as much as you want.

Below is a list of all the things that need to be changed for each template (besides the alignment stuff). The template pages themselves include lists of the inputs, explanations (very important), and links to the bestiaries, charts and/or external links where all the required to-be-added stats can be found. Template:Spmenemybox requires no input changes, not does Template:Pjenemy, although the latter needs to be added to the wiki (and the few pages that have it already only have partial stats). Completely full/updated sets of values for Template:Pmenemybox can just be copied from Megadardery's bestiary draft (User_talk:Megadardery/Sandbox#Enemy_Stats_chart) - just switch "User:Megadardery/Sandbox" to "Pmenemybox", remove the colour-coded names (just plain names for pages with identifiers) and add the align variable, and everything else should be there already. As for the rest:

Template:Pm2enemybox - This infobox needs to replace all "pmenemybox"es with "|PM=yes": this should be one of the highest priorities, as the now-outdated infoboxes currently mislabel every set of TTYD stats as "PM". The "PM=" variable itself needs to be removed, and the following need to be added, although they're already found on User_talk:Megadardery/Sandbox2, so just cut and paste them from there.
|coins=
|lvl=
|exp=
|sleep=
|stop=
|dizzy=
|confuse=
|burn=
|freeze=
|tiny=
|soft=
|fright=
|gale=
|ko=

Template:Pmssenemy - "sticker=" needs to be added.

Template:MLinfobox - "item=" and "item2=" need to be combined and replaced by "items=". Also, make sure stats that need to be greyed out are done so using the format {{color|STAT|grey/gray}}, rather than <font> formatting making them silver (which doesn't show up well against the new background colours).

Template:Pitenemy - "defense=" and "experience=" need to be switched to "def=" and "exp=". "related=", "title=" and "notice=" need to be removed; the latter involved references, so keep an eye out for now-blank reference sections on the articles that now need to be removed too. Also remove superfluous image captions.

Template:Bisenemy - "defense=" and "experience=" need to be switched to "def=" and "exp=". "gear=" needs to be incorporated into "items=". "related=" needs to be removed. The following need to be added:
|fire=
|burn=
|dizzy=
|statdown=
|ko=
|lvl=

Template:Dtenemy - "defense=", "experience=" and "level=" need to be switched to "def=", "exp=" and "lvl=". "geardrop=" and "raredrop=" need to combined and turned into "items="; "coindrop=" needs to be incorporated into "coins=". "related=" needs to be removed. "weak=" and "nohitter=" need to be added.

Template:Smrpgenemy‎ - Nothing needs to be added. "fodds=" and "sucrate=" need to be incorporated into "flower=" and "cookie=", respectively. "related=" needs to be removed. The following inputs need to be changed:
attack --> atk
defense --> def
mgattack --> matk
mgdefense --> mdef
attacks --> moves
itemdropped --> items
coinsdropped --> coins
strengths --> strong
weaknesses --> weak
expgained --> exp
 
Any good resource to fill in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door information? Because MarioWiki's own bestiary disappointed me, and I'm not sure if GameFAQs is going to deliver; I've already looked through the enemy FAQ.

By the way, I've already done major changes to Chain Chomp, Blooper, Crazee Dayzee, Wiggler, Lava Piranha, Spiny, and Red Chomp, and the lack of Thousand-Year Door stuff is really bothering me, lol.
 
The infobox's page links to this chart, which has all the extra TTYD stats (File:Pm2enemystats.png). Except item drop rates, anyway, which are on GameFAQs, here (also linked to on the infobox's page), but leave them out of the infobox because it would be way too much trouble and clutter with all that in there. Also, for the chart, just ignore the "Ex%" column for the coins, since again, too much clutter and wonky math to be worth the trouble: just put the range of coins in the form "minimum - maximum".
 
Yeah, good luck! Don't let MarioWiki get in the way of real life! Looking through the bestiaries to find specific information is frequently a pain, and, while the chart Walkazo provided definitely helps, it's tricky to navigate. Which is why I really dislike that kind of formatting. I think our new format's gonna change this though, but I need to keep this mind whenever people design tables to be so reader unfriendly (like in Mario Kart stats). Ugh.
 
Also, just a note that the opening post has been updated to reflect a couple things:

* Template:Pjenemy has been redesigned and all three pages that used it are updated, save for missing stats that I couldn't provide anyway. Getting this one up is lower priority than fixing the current ones anyway.

* All the templates use "lvl" for level inputs, following the precedent set by the M&L:SS infobox, but which I kept forgetting to make consistent in the drafts (I fixed the articles you listed above, rather than forcing you to have to go and alter them - lookin' good, btw).

* the M&L:SS infoboxes need to be converted from using messy, bad, too-light <font color=silver>STATS</font> formatting to {{color|STATS|grey/gray}} (both spellings work).
 
Dr. Mario said:
Yeah, good luck! Don't let MarioWiki get in the way of real life! Looking through the bestiaries to find specific information is frequently a pain, and, while the chart Walkazo provided definitely helps, it's tricky to navigate. Which is why I really dislike that kind of formatting. I think our new format's gonna change this though, but I need to keep this mind whenever people design tables to be so reader unfriendly (like in Mario Kart stats). Ugh.
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Did you really think I had that much of attention span to get the data from this thing? (File:Pm2enemystats.png) The creator of the chart kindly put them in an Excel spreadsheet as well. Which I put in an app to create the parameters. If the chart also had all the other stats (Location(s), tattle, log, etc.) I would have probably finished the bestiary the same way I did to the pm bestiary. I'm going to do the bestiary after all the pmttyd infoboxes have been updated. That way, it is just a matter of copy and paste.... or... give me a few minutes because I have an idea...
 
Walkazo said:
Also, just a note that the opening post has been updated to reflect a couple things:

* Template:Pjenemy has been redesigned and all three pages that used it are updated, save for missing stats that I couldn't provide anyway. Getting this one up is lower priority than fixing the current ones anyway.

* All the templates use "lvl" for level inputs, following the precedent set by the M&L:SS infobox, but which I kept forgetting to make consistent in the drafts (I fixed the articles you listed above, rather than forcing you to have to go and alter them - lookin' good, btw).

* the M&L:SS infoboxes need to be converted from using messy, bad, too-light <font color=silver>STATS</font> formatting to {{color|STATS|grey/gray}} (both spellings work).
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Should the MLinfoboxes use a more consistent naming? The first one looks fine, but it's inconsistent with the rest (MLinfobox compared to pitenemy, bisenemy, dtenemy, and most likely pjenemy).

Thanks for that, I thought it was oversight on my part. I also had to fix the "#" part at one point thanks to trial and error, so just letting you know that.

Shaggy said:
Dr. Mario said:
Yeah, good luck! Don't let MarioWiki get in the way of real life! Looking through the bestiaries to find specific information is frequently a pain, and, while the chart Walkazo provided definitely helps, it's tricky to navigate. Which is why I really dislike that kind of formatting. I think our new format's gonna change this though, but I need to keep this mind whenever people design tables to be so reader unfriendly (like in Mario Kart stats). Ugh.
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Did you really think I had that much of attention span to get the data from this thing? (File:Pm2enemystats.png) The creator of the chart kindly put them in an Excel spreadsheet as well. Which I put in an app to create the parameters. If the chart also had all the other stats (Location(s), tattle, log, etc.) I would have probably finished the bestiary the same way I did to the pm bestiary. I'm going to do the bestiary after all the pmttyd infoboxes have been updated. That way, it is just a matter of copy and paste.... or... give me a few minutes because I have an idea...
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But it's hard to navigate through because of the way the columns are set up. I had to use MS paint and copy/drag the top column down to view stats. But all in all, it's not a huge deal and I've already mentioned my work around. Just a slight inconvenience overall. But reading through the bestiary pages to copy/paste stats is more painful overall.
 
I've been thinking about that. I figure, yes, it should be changed to "ssenemybox", but that's a really simple blowthrough later, so I figured, why complicate our lives even further now when we have to worry about fixing inputs and filling gaps. Superfluous stuff like that can wait.

You mean the "|#" instead of "|#="typo in the legend? Yeah, I saw that fix, thanks, but all the infoboxes should've had that input already anyway, so it should've been no big D on the functional end of things.

Dr. Mario said:
Shaggy said:
Dr. Mario said:
Yeah, good luck! Don't let MarioWiki get in the way of real life! Looking through the bestiaries to find specific information is frequently a pain, and, while the chart Walkazo provided definitely helps, it's tricky to navigate. Which is why I really dislike that kind of formatting. I think our new format's gonna change this though, but I need to keep this mind whenever people design tables to be so reader unfriendly (like in Mario Kart stats). Ugh.
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Did you really think I had that much of attention span to get the data from this thing? (File:Pm2enemystats.png) The creator of the chart kindly put them in an Excel spreadsheet as well. Which I put in an app to create the parameters. If the chart also had all the other stats (Location(s), tattle, log, etc.) I would have probably finished the bestiary the same way I did to the pm bestiary. I'm going to do the bestiary after all the pmttyd infoboxes have been updated. That way, it is just a matter of copy and paste.... or... give me a few minutes because I have an idea...
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But it's hard to navigate through because of the way the columns are set up. I had to use MS paint and copy/drag the top column down to view stats. But all in all, it's not a huge deal and I've already mentioned my work around. Just a slight inconvenience overall. But reading through the bestiary pages to copy/paste stats is more painful overall.
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You did see Megadardery's text dump of the chart (User talk:Megadardery/Sandbox2) that he linked to a few posts back, right? You don't need to use the image version of the chart anymore, or any bestiary workaround - just copy and paste all the new inputs directly from there. (EDIT: I just added it to the intro post now, to make sure it's clearly visible.)