Same sex marriage

[Zae]

so how do you explain stuff like "i am the way and the truth and the light; no one comes to the father except through me"

My views on Christianity are probably different from others. To me that quote says that Jesus decides who gets in, so if you live a moral life in his eyes then you get in, and I don't see how being gay is immoral in the eyes of a person who taught others that they should love and accept.

you can believe that but jesus is basically the only way

people want to believe its only morals because they dont want to surrender to the ways of jesus

 

[Duskull]

That's why I said through his eyes, if Jesus views you as moral then you'll get in.

 

[Zae]

That's why I said through his eyes, if Jesus views you as moral then you'll get in.

But you can only do that if you surrender to him.

I guess being born again can be seen as that but people think being morally good alone will save them.

 

[Duskull]

I'm fairly certain it does, seeing as Jesus died for our sins and forgave everyone. So as long as you don't majorly fuck that up all should be good.

 

[Zae]

I'm fairly certain it does, seeing as Jesus died for our sins and forgave everyone. So as long as you don't majorly fuck that up all should be good.

But it says in the bible that the only way you can be saved is surrendering to jesus and thats the only way you can be saved

therefor cancelling that out completely

wtf why are we talking about this in a same sex marriage thread

 

[Duskull]

Religion got brought up because some people try using it as an excuse to justify not making it legal, which is pretty ridiculous.

 

[MCD]

Surely in a country with freedom of religion no particular religion should have such a large influence on the law.

 

[Dr. Javelin]

it's an indirect influence due to democracy, really. when you have lots of christian voters in a democracy it's entirely possible to have many laws reflect that, even if the religion isn't itself the basis of the government

that being said, general public opinion has been shifting in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage for a while now, so democracy's going to take its course and get rid of the laws soon enough

 

[Kyoko Sakura]

separation of church and state

the constitution just states that the federal government cant establish an official religion

Yeah but "separation of church and state" is a quote from one of the founding fathers (Thomas Jefferson) so I think it's a valid interpretation of the intention of the law.

 

[Aiko Heiwa]

separation of church and state

the constitution just states that the federal government cant establish an official religion

Yeah but "separation of church and state" is a quote from one of the founding fathers (Thomas Jefferson) so I think it's a valid interpretation of the intention of the law.

not just thomas jefferson, other founding fathers used it to and the supreme court has ruled that the clause in the constitution that prohibits a national religion was intended to to erect a wall that separated church and state

of course, this is the same country that has people sworn in to office on fucking bibles lmao

 

[Nabber]

there's a theoretical separation of church and state but has that ever really been upheld

i only know a little bit of american history but as far as i can tell america hasn't actually held up a lot of its own laws