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[Princess Céline]

TR-8R's real number is actually FN-2199.

 

[Dr. Javelin]

he's anakin but with an actually competent actor and good writing

as opposed to just being a badass like every other star wars villain, he tries to project an image of being cool without ever being able to come close to being a new darth vader. and that frustrates him, thereby making himself even more powerful and dangerous

yeah, my favorite kind of villain: hilariously incompetent

plus, he actually still clearly wants to not be a dickhead, which makes him a lot more interesting

isnt literally his whole motivation that he wants to be MORE of a dick

kylo ren is gr8

i liked when he channelled his inner TR-8R

TR-8R is the true final boss of VII, VIII, and IX. search your feelings, you know it to be true.

its kind of sad when, no joke, tr-8r was actually the most competent antagonist in the whole movie

 

[Nabber]

sorry jav but not all villains can be wordless badasses like darth maul

 

[Brock]

sorry jav but not all villains can be wordless badasses like darth maul

the point isnt that all villains should be one dimensional dark, brooding, or menacing. its that ren is a poorly done character and unlikable. which i mean, i guess is a good trait for a villain, but he's not even likable as a villain. he's not a good villain, he's pretty incompetent. his tantrums would be fine and great and intimidating, except other aspects of his character detracts from them, and makes them comedic rather than menacing. he isnt very good at his job as a villain.

also, if their goal was to set him up to be likeable and sympathetic in order to give him a heel face turn, thats being poorly done as well, because he's not even likeable in that sense. i want him to lose, i dont want him to have an success, and i hope he ends poorly, because he is entirely unlikable a character and his motivation is half assed, his struggle is poorly portrayed and lacking in logic, and he has pretty much already committed acts that are beyond the point of a redemption arc. he's just not a very sympathetic character, i cant relate, and he's unlikable.

not to mention the stuff i listed earlier in my previous post about how his character and back story dont even make sense.

 

[Nabber]

i legitimately fail to see how he's incompetent

he's extremely dangerous, and that first scene in the force awakens is incredibly well staged, showing how truly powerful he can be. it's just that he's still, you know, a kid and in training, so yeah, he has his weaknesses. i don't really know how you can say he's incompetent though when he succeeds in almost everything he does

also, if their goal was to set him up to be likeable and sympathetic in order to give him a heel face turn, thats being poorly done as well, because he's not even likeable in that sense. i want him to lose, i dont want him to have an success, and i hope he ends poorly, because he is entirely unlikable a character and his motivation is half assed, his struggle is poorly portrayed and lacking in logic, and he has pretty much already committed acts that are beyond the point of a redemption arc. he's just not a very sympathetic character, i cant relate, and he's unlikable.

so what the hell is darth vader

 

[Vommack]

kylo ren is gr8

i liked when he channelled his inner TR-8R

TR-8R is the true final boss of VII, VIII, and IX. search your feelings, you know it to be true.

Lol, everyone knows the real Sith mastermind is Jar Jar

 

[Magikrazy]

So I've been thinking about Kylo Ren. I do agree with Brock that Ben is an odd name choice for Leia and Han's son, but it does make sense if Luke pushed for the name. Perhaps he sensed a strong connection with himself and this kid through the Force.

What we know so far is that Ben trained with Luke until he turned to the Dark Side, and then Luke blamed himself and went into hiding. Ben was stated to have equally good and evil potential, so there would have had to have been something traumatic to tip the scale. Something Luke did.

Keep in mind that in this canon, Luke never married or had any kids of his own. He would have felt pretty lonely, especially being a third wheel to Han and Leia. But he also felt a strong connection with Ben as mentioned before. And seeing as he was teaching Ben to become a Jedi, they would have spent a lot of time together. By themselves. They would gotten preeeeeetty close.

I think you guys know what I'm hinting at by now, so I'll stop there.

 

[Brock]

i legitimately fail to see how he's incompetent

he's extremely dangerous, and that first scene in the force awakens is incredibly well staged, showing how truly powerful he can be. it's just that he's still, you know, a kid and in training, so yeah, he has his weaknesses. i don't really know how you can say he's incompetent though when he succeeds in almost everything he does

also, if their goal was to set him up to be likeable and sympathetic in order to give him a heel face turn, thats being poorly done as well, because he's not even likeable in that sense. i want him to lose, i dont want him to have an success, and i hope he ends poorly, because he is entirely unlikable a character and his motivation is half assed, his struggle is poorly portrayed and lacking in logic, and he has pretty much already committed acts that are beyond the point of a redemption arc. he's just not a very sympathetic character, i cant relate, and he's unlikable.

so what the hell is darth vader

darth vader didnt return to the good guys and drink champagne with the good guys in their victory celebration with the ewoks, and get buddy buddy with the people he murdered. if they want to put ren through a darth vader style "sees the light then dies" fine, whatever.

Spoiler

im saying that a lot of people want ren to suddenly come back to being a jedi, all happy and sound, and for him to suddenly be the main character. im just saying he's kinda beyond that. he's firmly the villain, he is beyond the point where you could comfortably accept him back on to the side of the good guys. vader killed kids and billions of lives. ren killed his father and ordered the slaughter of at least one village of innocents if not more during his fall to the dark side and his rise in the New Order or whatever we're calling it. you could argue neither is deserving of a redemption arc, but vader already had one so _.

im not seeing a vegeta "Defeat Means Friendship" move coming here, that a lot of the fanbase apparently seems to hoping for. ren is the bad guy, which isnt bad in its own right, but not a very interesting one. yes, he's very powerful, yes he is unstable and dangerous. but he's not very interesting. other than his one demonstration of power at the beginning, he's not very impressive. he's not a terrible villain, he's just pretty uninspiring as far as star wars bad guys go. and its not just because "ono, he has emotions."

sure, i guess you can like him, but i'd rather focus on more interesting characters, like the actual protagonists of the new star wars.

 

[Dr. Javelin]

but you don't understand

kylo ren has such a BEAUTIFUL face and AMAZING HAIR (inside a helmet, no less) that the rebels will immediately forgive him