Rogues in Rogueport 2: The Uprising - Mafia Game - Game Thread - Day 7 (MeLo)

Roserade said:

I believe it more than likely that at least one player in a Town House is a Traitor. I could be wrong! The dice could not have rolled with this favor! But for my money, I'm willing to gamble. So, from where I sit, odds say that either BigBoom or the old rat (WT) are a Traitor. That's my word, naturally, but I know I'm an Investigator!

Also worth mentioning: a silent Investigator is as good as a dead Investigator. If BigBoom does not provide some kind of engagement by the end of today, nothing is lost. We have to whittle numbers somewhere if we're going to refine our suspect list.

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Are you saying that it would be in our best interest to eliminate BigBoom, assuming they fail to communicate? If nothing is lost from their demise, I'd assume voting them in a 50/50 would be a safe choice.

I would prefer that BigBoom demonstrate an engagement with the game long before then, but if they do end up getting voted out, I won't feel too miffed. I am a bit uneasy about how quickly and quietly two votes appeared in their direction, though.

Roserade said:

Now our investigation is getting very interesting! If you want my thoughts on BigBoom... permit me to be, well, "meta" for a minute.

If you'll notice, our first victim today was an Investigator living in a Town House. If you pay attention to how many of us are here in Rogueport - sixteen - you can reasonably deduce that three or four people here are Traitors. How many people are living in a Town House? Three, now that one has dropped from the ranks, but we started with four! And if you do quick math... see where this is going?

I believe it more than likely that at least one player in a Town House is a Traitor. I could be wrong! The dice could not have rolled with this favor! But for my money, I'm willing to gamble. So, from where I sit, odds say that either BigBoom or the old rat (WT) are a Traitor. That's my word, naturally, but I know I'm an Investigator!

Also worth mentioning: a silent Investigator is as good as a dead Investigator. If BigBoom does not provide some kind of engagement by the end of today, nothing is lost. We have to whittle numbers somewhere if we're going to refine our suspect list.

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"Yar, now ye be talkin' the language o' the investigator who's actually gettin' somewhere! While it still don't feel right ta me ta kill someone while 'is back's turned, 'specially on the grounds o' lackin' engagement in the investigation, it could potentially be better than just sittin' 'round an' waitin' fer the X-Nauts ta pick us off one by one!"

Roserade said:

I would prefer that BigBoom demonstrate an engagement with the game long before then, but if they do end up getting voted out, I won't feel too miffed. I am a bit uneasy about how quickly and quietly two votes appeared in their direction, though.

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"Aye, I'd prefer the lad ta be given a chance ta defend 'imself from bein' sent ta the gallows as well. We'll just 'ave ta wait fer a peep outta 'im, an' if 'e don't give any by the next sunset, so be it."

I shall second what the crustacean said.

Shmalu Sniffer:
Well then let's stop dancing around this question see, let's just ask him ourselves, hey @BigBoom1946 care to share your side if the story see?

Sorry, I signed up and kind of forgot about it.

BigBoom1946 said:

Sorry, I signed up and kind of forgot about it.

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All right! You're here and now I shall Unvote: BigBoom19346.

I don't believe we have enough evidence, so Vote: No Elmination.

Cool.

Shmalu Sniffer:
So did you do any patrolling last night see? Or did you just forget about the investigation all together and not do anything see?

"There ye go! Actions do speak louder than words in cases like this! We managed ta get the lad ta speak up, an' as such, we now know that 'e forgot 'bout the whole investigation an' arrived late because o' that!"

"The only downside ta that be that we be back ta square one as far as a potential lead ta uncoverin' the enemies within...Though goin' off Agent F's theory regardin' one o' the remainin' investigators livin' in the Town Houses potentially bein' one o' Sir Yux's underlings...This might be a shot in the dark, but it be a shot worth takin'."

Vote: Waluigi Time

"What do ye 'ave ta say fer yerself on the grounds o' this, sir?"

Well, if the extraterrestrial had forgotten about the situation, it would seem as though the Ratooey is a likely culprit, assuming the agent is not feeding us lies.

I will wait to vote until more evidence arises or time dwindles.

Now hold on. "I forgot, sorry" is not a defense either. Let's not let him off the hook just yet.

BigBoom1946 said:

Sorry, I signed up and kind of forgot about it.

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This is your first encounter with the mafia around these parts, right? So I imagine you're new to the game. I would like to ask you to share some thoughts regardless. Anything making your suspicions perk up?

While that's ongoing...

Sparks said:

All right! You're here and now I shall Unvote: BigBoom19346.

I don't believe we have enough evidence, so Vote: No Elmination.

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Here's the short of it: under no circumstance should we be voting no elimination from here on, unless we're really sure some night plan nonsense is going to work out in our favor. If we don't eliminate someone today, we're giving the Traitors two easy knock-offs. Sure, we might end up following a bad lead, but we need to follow leads. Otherwise we're sitting ducks.

Sorry to say, Sparks, but I'm not a fan of your vibes. You jumped straight away at the chance to vote out a silent player, and then backed off the second he reappeared, without requesting he say anything more. Swapping to no elimination could've been a bid to come across as more innocent, because it's the Investigators who wouldn't want to vote someone out without evidence.

I could be wrong. Misunderstandings happen. But the way you've been moving the last few days is making me "hmm." Vote: Sparks

Also requesting the rat and the moth speak up soon. They're being uncharacteristically low profile, though the game is still early.

Tails

I noticed that Sparks seemed really quick to flip on BigBoom once he showed up. That does seem suspicious…

Vote: Sparks

Any reason as to why you immediately switched your vote, Mr. Sparks?

Shmalu Sniffer:
I also find it strange that he started a gimmick of using a wheel to vote so as to be non bias, but isn't doing that or showing the results if he DID spin the wheel see? That smells rather strange if you ask me, but I won't vote JUST yet, I want mr sparks to explain himself first see.

I did spin that wheel for two reasons: it was fun, and there was no evidence, so why not go for someone at random? It wouldn't be my fault because it's the wheel's!

Anyway, about me voting for BigBoom1946 and then undoing it: I only did so because they were inactive, but now they're here and contributing so there's no reason to vote for them now.

Hmph. So I have to "explain myself" against nothing but speculation, wonderful. Don't get me wrong, Agent F's theory could hold water. I have it on... let's just say, good authority, that it's possible. But possible and actually true are two different things, and as far as I'm concerned, could just as easily be there to prevent us from having the advantage of four confirmed innocents off the bat. I know where I stand, and the agent's not setting off any alarm bells for me yet - besides that tacky superhero costume, anyway. BigBoom? I'm inclined to believe him so far, 'course being forgetful and being scum aren't mutually exclusive. But I don't see much reason to toss him in the woodchipper just yet.

Truth be told, I was already collecting my thoughts earlier, but the agent ended up taking care of most of that before I had the chance to speak up. I'm not much for idle chatter, see. If I'm going to speak up, figure I might as well be offering something of substance. Plus... I may be more rusty than I let on at the outset.

But if you care for an old rodent's take on the situation, this whole thing with Sholmès and Sparks is rubbing me the wrong way, just as much the rest of you. Didn't think much of the business with the poorly disguised nose yesterday, we all know day one votes usually don't have much reason or go anywhere. But two's a pattern, and again we saw 'em voting for BigBoom in the same order - and just as little in the way of any substantial accusations. I don't think they're working together, mind you. Making a paper trail like that this early would be a fool's move if they were. I did wonder if maybe they had some sort of role forcing 'em to vote the same way, but it doesn't actually line up in either of the past two days. Either way, something's off there.

I'll have to review what's gone down so far and see if I can drag up any more thoughts. It's too early to just hop on a bandwagon for my tastes.

Oh, and let's nip this in the bud right now - stop trying to fish for what folks did last night, alright? Either it doesn't matter in the slightest or you're asking someone to paint a target on their backs. If someone's got info, they'll bring it when they're good and ready.

I'm voting for Sparks.

Shmaluigi said:

Hmph. So I have to "explain myself" against nothing but speculation, wonderful. Don't get me wrong, Agent F's theory could hold water. I have it on... let's just say, good authority, that it's possible. But possible and actually true are two different things, and as far as I'm concerned, could just as easily be there to prevent us from having the advantage of four confirmed innocents off the bat. I know where I stand, and the agent's not setting off any alarm bells for me yet - besides that tacky superhero costume, anyway. BigBoom? I'm inclined to believe him so far, 'course being forgetful and being scum aren't mutually exclusive. But I don't see much reason to toss him in the woodchipper just yet.

Truth be told, I was already collecting my thoughts earlier, but the agent ended up taking care of most of that before I had the chance to speak up. I'm not much for idle chatter, see. If I'm going to speak up, figure I might as well be offering something of substance. Plus... I may be more rusty than I let on at the outset.

But if you care for an old rodent's take on the situation, this whole thing with Sholmès and Sparks is rubbing me the wrong way, just as much the rest of you. Didn't think much of the business with the poorly disguised nose yesterday, we all know day one votes usually don't have much reason or go anywhere. But two's a pattern, and again we saw 'em voting for BigBoom in the same order - and just as little in the way of any substantial accusations. I don't think they're working together, mind you. Making a paper trail like that this early would be a fool's move if they were. I did wonder if maybe they had some sort of role forcing 'em to vote the same way, but it doesn't actually line up in either of the past two days. Either way, something's off there.

I'll have to review what's gone down so far and see if I can drag up any more thoughts. It's too early to just hop on a bandwagon for my tastes.

Oh, and let's nip this in the bud right now - stop trying to fish for what folks did last night, alright? Either it doesn't matter in the slightest or you're asking someone to paint a target on their backs. If someone's got info, they'll bring it when they're good and ready.

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"Yar, those all be reasonable ta be makin', so I'll be kind enough ta unvote fer the time bein'. Though that don't mean ye be crossed off me list o' potential suspects just yet."

"Additonally, while I'll voice me agreement the behavior Sparks an' the manga readin' fella in terms o' votin' durin' the daytime thus far 'ave been strange ta say the least, I ain't placin' a vote on either o' them just yet. If anybody comes up with anythin' reasonable enough ta paint the possibility that either o' them be guilty o' the murder o' Fun With Despair, or time begins ta dwindle, then I'll cast a vote their way."

Roserade said:

By the way, I'm sure your reasoning is straightforward, but the one-two silence-vote is pretty fierce offense. Got something to say about your tactics? Seems to me like you're voting for a guy while his back is turned.

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Ho ho! Truth be told, I'm almost as shocked as you are. When I placed my vote, I certainly wanted to draw some attention, but to think someone would immediately pile on with no stated reasoning whatsoever... well, this may be hypocritical, but I certainly think Sparks made a wrong move there. But, if you'd like to know my reasoning, let's take a few steps back.

As I said last night, this group of investigators, as a collective, has accomplished practically nothing. I was happy to let it happen, to wait and see what results came from the nightkill, but unfortunately, this particular mafia seems a shrewd and cowardly bunch, who'd rather kill off inactive players to prevent us from having any interactions to analyse... which brings me to the most important point here.

ClawgripFan9001 said:

"Nar, I did not, lad. Though I wish I did, 'cause at this rate, we ain't becomin' any the wiser as ta what the conspirators could be up ta next, let alone who the 'eck they even are. An' while I will remain cautiously optimistic somethin' will come outta sendin' that BigBoom1946 fella out through the gallows should the majority o' the votes still be directed t'wards 'em by the next sunset, I also keep the possibility of it gettin' us nowhere further in our investigation in the back o' me mind."

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Troy McClure said:

…but also, what if he's innocent? We would have wasted a day targeting someone only to end up furthering the X-Nauts goals by accident with a baseless accusation.

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Cloudwalker said:

I will wait to vote until more evidence arises or time dwindles.

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History, it seems, is always bound to repeat itself. So, let me make something clear, just in case some of you are not aware. The strongest evidence is not that which is stated from the mouth of a witness, by repeatedly exchanging meaningless pleasantries like "Oh, did you see anything happen tonight?" "No, not a thing, sir." The strongest evidence is simply cold, hard facts. We will never know who someone is or if they speak the truth until they are dead, and their true alignment lays bare for all to see. Once this happens, you are able to return to previous discussions and examine them in the light of new facts. For example, if we were to lynch BigBoom1946, and he turned out innocent, then you would rightfully be able to look back and put a great deal of suspicion to those who voted for him. On the other hand, if we got lucky and he turned out to be a mafia, then you might surmise that, although it was an incredibly dumbfounding move to make, the two people who voted for him out of nowhere may be more likely to be town. This is how the game of wits we find ourselves in primarily functions. As Agent F has already stated, there is no reason to vote for a No Elimination from here on out. It may seem a bit cruel to say this, but the number of innocents outnumbers the number of mafia, so we can afford to have a couple of misfires. Lynching an innocent party will not "get us nowhere", so long as we are using the revealed information of their alignment to learn more about how people's interactions are functioning: who is attacking a particular innocent, who is being defensive of a mafia, and so on. As they say, you cannot make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

On that note, we now come to my vote. Seeing the inaction of most of our cohort, I thought it prudent to stir up some controversy, to get some discussion going. After all, you cannot properly examine discussions for clues if there's no discussions of meaning that exist. To this end, I naturally decided to vote without any reasoning provided - a dirty trick, to be sure, and one which reflects poorly on me - and see what happened. I'm sure I could have some up with some trifling reason to vote, but I thought it would be more useful to let my intentions remain opaque for a time. As I said before, I didn't think the very first person who saw that vote would immediately do the same thing I did, nor did I think it would come from the person who was already being accused by Mr. N (an accusation that was ignored, I might add) but look at all of the discussion it's caused. Selfishly, I think my goal has been quite easily achieved. It may have cost me a bit of credibility, and it's not a trick you can pull more than once, but even if I'm the egg that ends up being broken, it's all for the greater good, don't you know?

Now, you may be wondering, why pick BigBoom? Well, my thought process was as follows: I could only silence a player who is currently associated with a location. I thought it may be a bit mean-spirited to take it away from one of our more active, friendly participants, so I decided I might as well pick one of the two who had remained quiet. Then, when the other inactive player turned out to be the night's victim, I found it rather frustrating, since we would have no information to go off of. Keeping these two things in mind, I decided to vote for BigBoom because A) I wanted to be as brazen as possible, and thought picking on the person who I publicly stated I would remove the vote of and could therefore not actually defend himself (a fact that no one seems to have brought up so far) would ensure maximum controversy, while also showing some internal consistency, and B) It would either force BigBoom to appear or, in an unlikely case, would remove the only other inactive player, meaning the mafia would be forced to kill someone with a history of interactions that could then be properly analysed.

So, if the crime is voting for someone whose back is turned, then I'm afraid I'm guilty as charged.

Roserade said:

Also requesting the rat and the moth speak up soon. They're being uncharacteristically low profile, though the game is still early.

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: Hoho, Nectared One, do you believe a moth reaches old age without the ability to discern a trap? In the breaking of the dawn, a net was illuminated. The Scholar of Manga placed a trap, and Tasse did not see fit to interfere. My musings held until the landsbreath stilled, the silence was broken by the droning of a larvae ensnared!

: Would you hold at fault one who wished to see who it would be to approach the bait, who would endeavor to slice through the net's threads, and who would seek to tighten their bindings?

: Nectared One, the dirge of the veil is as yet discordant. Must you know Tasse's musings, then know that I am partial to your theorizing, though the entosaiwe do not deign to speak. Many among us lay public claim to nexuses of power and influence. Any vacancy in these nexuses would serve to benefit the conspirators, and yet they choose one whose power is divided between many. Certainly, their motives must be illuminated by this act.

: ...unless it is that The Silent One's nexus is incidental, and the conspirators' motive was to choose only an inscrutable one well-versed in the arts of conspiratorial divination. Into any case, however, shall creep doubt, enemy of action.

: Wherever have the threads of suspicion tightened, The Crustacean has followed. Pleading for information best concealed, briefly making accusation towards the Weathered Rat before retracting them in haste, echoing the accusations against the Sparking One without commitment, does he seek to appear an ally while avoiding committing injury against his ilk? Let action follow where it is preached! Vote: ClawgripFan9001! By your own account, what gains have your pleading and indecision brought?

EDIT: Mobile WYSIWYG editor does not like adding my images and part of this got duplicated and transposed. Cleaned up.

Vote tally:
Sparks (3) - Ninelevendo, Roserade, MightyMario, BigBoom1946
BigBoom1946 (1) - Reverse Input
No Elimination (1) - Sparks
ClawgripFan9001 (1) - Hooded Pitohui
No vote (8) - Waluigi Time, Boo1268, Power Flotzo, Cloudwalker, Yoshi the SSM, Cosmic Cowboy, Hint Toad, ClawgripFan9001

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24 hours remain...

Day 2 ends Feb 28, 2026 at 12:00 AM .

Refreshed myself on things so far as promised, and well, can't say I feel too enlightened at the moment. Mostly just looking at folks saying a lot and adding nothing, or barely being around to begin with. Hard to get a read on most of 'em.

Got one question for the crab though. @ClawgripFan9001, if you're willing to share, what exactly happens if you pardon someone? Just trying to figure out what the implications of that power might be.

Vote: Hooded Pitohui

Something tells me you're hiding something… I don't know why, but I've got a feeling.

Glitz Yoshi: "I been waiting around without information to help out and seeing if something would come up. And I see votes cast all such ways with Sparks being the one who got the most votes. And I didn't see a reason for voting for Sparks before because I used a randomizer before as well and as an innocent. Even if it was a different randomizer. Even now I am not quite sure if I should vote for Sparks. But what I will do is Vote: Power Flotzo. I am seeing Power Flotzo around multiple times, but they hadn't posted anything yet this day phase. Yes, Yang hasn't posted either, but I am not voting that way because I voted for Yang on Day 1 and nothing came of it."

UPDATE:

The voting tally done earlier today was updated due to a small oversight from my part. I'm truly sorry for the inconvenience!