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This thread deals with proposals. Both normal and talk page proposals. If there are new proposals, failed ones, passed ones, votes, etc.; if it's Proposal-related, post it here.

Since this is a collaboration thread, you can also announce on what you are planning to propose, ask for feedback, or see if anyone wants to co-author with you.

If there is anything I missed, just post and I'll add whatever needs to be added.
 
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MarioWiki:Proposals

If you would like to get feedback on an idea before formally proposing it here, you may do so on the proposals talk. For talk page proposals, you can discuss the changes on the talk page itself before creating the TPP there. If someone has an idea...
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Why does the wiki have both regular proposals and talk page proposals? Some talk page proposals could be proposals and vice-versa. The only major difference between the two, excluding the archives and {{TPP}}, is the fact that editors without an account can comment, and that is a rather odd difference. Furthermore, the ToDoList template on the Main Page shows the amount of ongoing talk page proposals, completely excluding regular proposals. Additionally, the ToDoList is inaccurate if a single talk page has multiple talk page proposals at a given time. Personally, I would have talk page proposals removed, leaving MarioWiki:Proposals as the only page to post proposals.
 
Illuminoid said:
Why does the wiki have both regular proposals and talk page proposals? Some talk page proposals could be proposals and vice-versa. The only major difference between the two, excluding the archives and {{TPP}}, is the fact that editors without an account can comment, and that is a rather odd difference. Furthermore, the ToDoList template on the Main Page shows the amount of ongoing talk page proposals, completely excluding regular proposals. Additionally, the ToDoList is inaccurate if a single talk page has multiple talk page proposals at a given time. Personally, I would have talk page proposals removed, leaving MarioWiki:Proposals as the only page to post proposals.
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Regular proposals are designed to be wide-ranging and affect the whole site, talk page proposals are localized to their article (and possibly related articles). Stuff like rewrite policies, changing up various templates, general article formatting goes on MarioWiki:Proposals, stuff to split Cheep Cheep and Cheap Cheap from each other are talk page proposals. The reason there is a protection difference begin with was because MarioWiki:Proposals was targeted by IP vandals and the rationale is that only logged in users can vote anyway, but I think right now is fine to lift the protection as IPs should be able to comment if they are able to comment in Talk Page Proposals.

No, removing talk page proposals is not a good idea. We don't need to further clutter MarioWiki:Proposals for matters that are localized to single subjects.

The To Do List in general is extremely sloppily implemented so I have no comment for that.
 
Most general article formatting proposals can also go onto MarioWiki talk:Manual Of Style and MarioWiki talk:Article naming, depending on what the proposal is changing.

I would not say that MarioWiki:Proposals is cluttered. There are only a few proposals at any given time, and currently, there is only one. Some non–talk page proposals, such as the one to move the articles on the Wonder forms of the Kooplings, only concern a limited scope of subjects.
 
They could go on there, but that doesn't mean they're better off there. Bigger changes are more visible if seen through MarioWiki: Proposal space rather than requiring to follow a small link to read them. Editors shouldn't have to go through a bunch of links to read proposals, plus archiving and sorting through proposals would be more difficult if they were all tucked away in talk pages. Don't fix what isn't broken.

Illuminoid said:
I would not say that MarioWiki:Proposals is cluttered. There are only a few proposals at any given time, and currently, there is only one. Some non–talk page proposals, such as the one to move the articles on the Wonder forms of the Kooplings, only concern a limited scope of subjects.
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Right now, the current amount of ongoing talk page proposals isn't a lot but there was a lot more in the past, and not even long ago either. There can be 10 or more ongoing TPPS at any given moment.
 
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Xiahou Ba said:
They could go on there, but that doesn't mean they're better off there. Bigger changes are more visible if seen through MarioWiki: Proposal space rather than requiring to follow a small link to read them. Editors shouldn't have to go through a bunch of links to read proposals, plus archiving and sorting through proposals would be more difficult if they were all tucked away in talk pages. Don't fix what isn't broken.
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That is exactly why I want to remove talk page proposals. They have many downsides, and MarioWiki:Proposals is a page where they are more likely to be viewed, so just place them there. If both were merged, there would still be some separation with the headers, distinguishing some proposals that concern a low quantity of articles.
 
I think there's some amount of information overload that the talk page proposal system is designed to avoid. There are a lot of Mario games, and not everyone is invested in every one of them. Having the talk page proposals as a bulleted list on the proposals page means users can mostly skip over proposals that concern pages about media they are not concerned about. If they all ended up on the main page, the page length could balloon out of control, making it harder to a given user to reach the proposals they care about because of the need for loading and scrolling.
 
Salmancer said:
I think there's some amount of information overload that the talk page proposal system is designed to avoid. There are a lot of Mario games, and not everyone is invested in every one of them. Having the talk page proposals as a bulleted list on the proposals page means users can mostly skip over proposals that concern pages about media they are not concerned about. If they all ended up on the main page, the page length could balloon out of control, making it harder to a given user to reach the proposals they care about because of the need for loading and scrolling.
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Even on MarioWiki:Proposals, I see proposals that cover topics that I am unfamiliar with, such as language or music. In terms of lag, the proposal archives have twenty per page, and I have not heard of any lag from those. Scrolling is only a problem for anyone on desktop who has collapsible headers disabled.
 
Illuminoid said:
That is exactly why I want to remove talk page proposals. They have many downsides, and MarioWiki:Proposals is a page where they are more likely to be viewed, so just place them there. If both were merged, there would still be some separation with the headers, distinguishing some proposals that concern a low quantity of articles.
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Still, making full on proposals for 1 or a couple articles is less important than proposals that affect the whole site.
 
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