Mario rpg fans unite, what do you look or want from rpgs outside of mario rpgs?

I don't think the Thousand-Year Door fans will enjoy a Thousand-Year Door clone in nonMario RPGs simply because it isn't Mario. A lot of things people liked about this game not only concerns gameplay, but with its connection with the Mario series and how it adds to it with new characters and a story to go along with it.
 
Yapyap said:
You won't know that until you try it.

well not really, certain spin-offs can copy another but dont have the same effect either due to proper universe and setting, so....
 
I am not talking about direct copies and rip-offs. I am talking about taking inspiration from something and then putting your own spin on it, building upon the potential of the original.

Banjo-Kazooie did that sort of thing with the Super Mario 64 formula. Mario was nowhere in that game, and it was still a great success. Okami did something similar with the Zelda formula, intertwining it with japanese folklore, and that game too is beloved by many. Hell, you could even make a case for South Park: The Stick of Truth, and how it takes a lot of design elements from the Paper Mario series, and that game has been very well received as well. Nothing is doomed outright.

You cannot just condemn an idea because a few people failed with it. If you give the chance to a talented, passionate, and savvy developer who understands what they are doing and who has an actual vision, you can end up with some pretty amazing stuff.
 
thats really on perspective though, and ttyd and most mario rpgs are far different then the likes of rpgs themselves, most rpgs dont really come close to in terms of its own uniqueness, sure they can do something similar via lod's combo system or ff5s funny dialogue, but the likelhood of another rpg outside of the mario rpgs replicating a similar feeling just isnt gonna happen in almost every case.

Whether people dont want to admit it or not, most rpg developers dont really want to be like that of the mario rpgs, and its shown in almost every rpg to date.
 
That doesn't really relate to my argument of "You can build something amazing and fun by taking inspiration from an established thing and putting your own spin on it", so... ?

Like, if you're saying that there can never be a game that builds upon the potential of TTYD and potentially surpass it, then that is an incredibly narrow mindset.
 
Yapyap said:
That doesn't really relate to my argument of "You can build something amazing and fun by taking inspiration from an established thing and putting your own spin on it", so... ?

Like, if you're saying that there can never be a game that builds upon the potential of TTYD and potentially surpass it, then that is an incredibly narrow mindset.
thats not really my point, to many rpg gamers, ttyd has been long surpassed before it even came out.

TTyd maybe fun to rpg newbies or just people that venture into the mario rpgs, but comparing them to various other rpgs out there, they're nothing more then basic gameplay and funny stories.

To an experienced rpg player, they're limited, and the story telling doesnt exactly go to far, as most of the time its just to have a laugh or two at the dialogue.

I mean if you like it fine, but mario rpgs have already been surprassed for years, because mario rpgs really exist to cause some laughs or cater to rpg newbies.

There is little variety to mario rpgs in general, most people really only exist to return for the funny dialogue or the parodies that exist in them. Gameplay wise they're limited in many ways and there is really no reason to experiment in mario rpgs either because you're most often not getting any new challenge by experimenting, mario rpgs are so easy in so many ways that experimenting with badges and moves and stuff like that doesnt even matter, because you dont really feel any different and with that in mind; the only real reason is to return to the story.

And even that has limitations, you dont change anything in the story, there are like no alternate endings from the games i played, you dont really change the world around you with every playthrough, the story doesnt change and the characters dont change either, yeah you could do side quests but you can do that every time. Theres also little to nothing that moves you to complete the story either, they're not emotional, they're not impactful, they're just little fun stories that you laugh at.

I dont mean to sound insulting or anything but, mario rpgs and mario rpg fans are in very little minority and mario rpgs themselves are very basic and limited in every way, with that, there is no reason to replicate or be inspired by mario rpgs, because there are so many rpgs out there that go so far beyond the likes of mario rpgs themselves.

Basically if you like mario rpgs thats fine, but as far as big rpg gamers go, mario rpgs have long been surpassed for a very long time, and with such they dont really inspire much since theres little reason to be inspired to begin with, they're fun for mario fans, maybe for a few times, but mario rpgs are so basic in every way, once again, have no need to inspire anything, because they really exist to just be a start.

I mean sorry if you like mario rpgs but, they really dont do much new or at least not impressive enough to inspire, and thats what im trying to say.
 
My point is not about direct ripoffs. I'm saying that the MaRPG fans are pret-ty devoted Mario fans and if they get something they want, but it's not Mario, it's going to impact their enjoyment. It's a shame, but people are most comfortable in the worlds they grew up in, and Mario's a huge world to live in compared to the other game worlds.

Mario RPGs are a great starter RPG and their minimalistic and simplistic story and environment might be appealing and a good break from the typical story and gameplay cruft other RPGs have, but I don't consider it very sophisticated. I don't play a lot of RPGs, though, so I'll have to take Zae's word for it.
 
Time Turner said:
Zae Eildus said:
because mario rpgs really exist to cause some laughs or cater to rpg newbies.
And you say that like it's a bad thing.

to gamers that want more out of rpgs, yes.

infact its a very bad thing.