Lucas and Ness.

[3D Player 2004]

I pick option 4.

 

[Shyghoul]

as i've stated before i'm completely opposed to Ness returning because of his hat

also they're not clones, though you probably already know that

 

[New Super Mario]

I used to think they were clones until I played around with them a bit. I don't really care what happens as long as Ness at least is there

 

[Magikrazy]

lol "We want clones."

Do you know what a clone is?

 

[LN1]

I want both but if I only had to pick one I'd choose Ness.

 

[DragonFreak]

Please cut the "We want clones" out.

I wan them both in. And if either one of them is cut, I pray to Arcues that they are replaced with another Mother character.

 

[Smashley]

Ness should never get cut, don't care either way regarding Lucas at this point.

 

[Xiahou Ba]

I love your asinine bullshit regarding your definition of a "clone" which is twisted and manipulated so it seems like Ness and Lucas are true clones when the reality is that although they share some aspects with each other, it doesn't mean that they're clones.

That could be an honest misunderstanding but the way you said, "we want clones" makes me so pissed off that I'm this close to writing a rant paragraph on how Lucas and Ness are NOT clones.

 

[3D Player 2004]

Smash Wiki:

Lucas and Ness are semiclones.

 

[Magikrazy]

You got it.

Not clones. Semiclones.

 

[Xiahou Ba]

Smash Wiki:

Lucas and Ness are semiclones.

I can also take nonsourced cherry-picked quotes completely out of context too and make them sound like a fact.

But guess what? NOWHERE in SmashWiki said that they're semi-clones or even clones!

Lucas' special moves are similar to Ness', but his physical attacks are almost all completely different. He relies on his PSI powers far more than Ness, using them for all but his forward smash, up aerial, down tilt, and standard combo attacks.

 

[3D Player 2004]

Lucas' standard attacks are unique with the exception of his down tilt, forward smash, and up aerial (while they have some alteration to their animation, they are identical in function to Ness'). Their special moves however, are very similar in name and appearance, while having similar mechanics but differing functioning. PK Freeze freezes opponents instead of being a very powerful vertical KO move like PK Flash. Lucas' PK Fire differs to the point where it can be argued to not be cloned, as it's a single hit projectile that knocks opponents away, while Ness' hits multiple times and traps opponents (additionally, Lucas' fires his PK Fire with a different animation, and Ness can fire his down diagonally in the air). Lucas' PK Thunder can go through opponents while Ness' doesn't, and his PK Thunder 2 is a multi-hitting move, while Ness' hits once. However, while the similarity in their moveset can be argued to not be quite enough to label them as semi-clones, they have very similar physics, with them having identical size, shape, weight, and falling speed. They additionally both suffer from 10 additional frames of lag when being grab released that no other characters in Brawl suffer from.