United States Presidential Election, 2012
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Canada just finished with a fun election 
About a year ago, the Liberals (a big political party) barely lost to the Conservatives (another big political party) and all the other parties just disappeared.
So the Liberals decided they wanted the power back, and called another election over some budget-distribution-thing.
Long story short, the Conservatives beat them by a long shot and the NDP (one of the minor parties from the first election) almost beat them out.
And while everyone is marveling at that, the fact remains; those elections cost millions of dollars.
So I'd say it's a lose-lose situation.
On a completely unrelated note, I hate politics :3
About a year ago, the Liberals (a big political party) barely lost to the Conservatives (another big political party) and all the other parties just disappeared.
So the Liberals decided they wanted the power back, and called another election over some budget-distribution-thing.
Long story short, the Conservatives beat them by a long shot and the NDP (one of the minor parties from the first election) almost beat them out.
And while everyone is marveling at that, the fact remains; those elections cost millions of dollars.
So I'd say it's a lose-lose situation.
On a completely unrelated note, I hate politics :3
Snowstalker
Snowstalker
I wasn't going to post in this, but I just saw a banner ad here for Mitt Romney (a Republican candidate this year).
Are you on alternatehistory.com or is that someone else?Snowstalker said:
Anyways, Romney vs. Obama. Obama wins rather easily, perhaps a little less than 2008 but perhaps a little more, despite the new census. Most Republicans don't even like Romney.
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That's why I think Obama is gonna win. All of the Republican candidates are so far Right that it's, well, scary. This whole Tea Party thing seems a bit loony. I think the only good thing that will come from any of them gaining power is the opening of the eyes of the country.
On the other hand, it completely polarized in favor of the Left and Obama won, and now people who expected him to be some savior are disappointed in that. This is why I feel this whole Tea Party craze is coming up--a shift to the absolute far Right. One of them will win the 2012 presidency, people will see that it's not exactly what they imagined, shift back to left.
or we can all just settle this nicely and go with my party, Green :]
That's why I think Obama is gonna win. All of the Republican candidates are so far Right that it's, well, scary. This whole Tea Party thing seems a bit loony. I think the only good thing that will come from any of them gaining power is the opening of the eyes of the country.
On the other hand, it completely polarized in favor of the Left and Obama won, and now people who expected him to be some savior are disappointed in that. This is why I feel this whole Tea Party craze is coming up--a shift to the absolute far Right. One of them will win the 2012 presidency, people will see that it's not exactly what they imagined, shift back to left.
or we can all just settle this nicely and go with my party, Green :]
Dr. Javelin
Nathan Latsk
Doesn't this happen every election?Hypnotoad said:
People were unhappy with Bush. The majority voted Democrat.
Two years later: People are unhappy with Democrats and the healthcare program. Many vote Republican.
Now we're somewhere in the middle. I personally would vote for Republicans because the government just seems to big right now. This country was founded on state's rights. Healthcare is out of the question; it would just be a huge interference in our lives. Republicans might not do so well though because of a lack of a strong candidate. I am against the ridiculously Conservative Tea Party though, moderate conservatism is less restrictive.
Democrats are at a disadvantage because of the fact that they haven't done anything major in four years besides killing Osama, and that was an end result of Bush's intelligence.
And I definitely won't vote for the Green party because government-led environmentalism would be a huge waste of tax dollars, even more so than healthcare. IMO environmentalism is a nice idea, but humanity really deserves to be first. Environmentalism is better than animal rights though.
Red alert! Hate shields up!
The Green party is putting up a Socialist, anyways, which is a bit too far :P And yeah, all of this nonsense happens every election--it just seems to be more prevalent with all of the blogs and 24/7 news shows and everything. And concerning the environment, some stuff needs to be implemented in a timely manner, and the technology does exist (for example, solar panels and wind power). Everyone is arguing over which way is best to become less dependent on foreign oil, while completely ignoring the fact that we already can. And yes, I agree that humanity should come first (at times, I even wonder why we interfere with endangered species that do not serve a great purpose), but humanity and the environment are linked. If the Earth dies, we die. Nature won't care; as soon as we're killed off, it'll grow right back just as it has after every mass extinction. I'm not saying it's the only issue, but it shouldn't be ignored. The thing that I said was scary about the Tea Party people is that they see the facts given by science, and still completely disregard them, and sometimes place their own personal freedoms over the greater good--like that silly "lightbulb freedom act" or whatever. Sure, freedom of choice and stuff, but understand why the change in lightbbulbs are there rather than declaring it as the government taking away liberties.
oh geeze I'm sound a bit like a hippie D:
I guess the summary of my beliefs, in short, is that it doesn't matter which party is in there, science should be adhered to.
Also, I guess that, much like every other election that's ever taken place, all of the eccentricities will die down. Obama had all of the HOPE and CHANGE stuff parading his way to victory, and that immediately went away once he got into office, so all of the things that make the Republican candidates seem like loons will be dampened (hopefully). I don't think anyone should be too worried whichever way the vote falls--if something's going wrong, the people will say so, and it will be fixed in that term. If not, guess there's no re-election :3
oh geeze I'm sound a bit like a hippie D:
I guess the summary of my beliefs, in short, is that it doesn't matter which party is in there, science should be adhered to.
Also, I guess that, much like every other election that's ever taken place, all of the eccentricities will die down. Obama had all of the HOPE and CHANGE stuff parading his way to victory, and that immediately went away once he got into office, so all of the things that make the Republican candidates seem like loons will be dampened (hopefully). I don't think anyone should be too worried whichever way the vote falls--if something's going wrong, the people will say so, and it will be fixed in that term. If not, guess there's no re-election :3
Dr. Javelin
Nathan Latsk
Hypnotoad said:
Well, this is America. We should have the right to pick our own lightbulbs, at least. I personally plan to buy whatever's cheapest, and the environmentalists can just shut it. I lived in Georgia during the drought a couple of years ago and we couldn't use all the water in our reservoirs because there were some endangered clams downriver. Endangered clams. People statewide were paying ridiculous prices for water because of endangered clams. Humans > clams. We do need to pay attention to fossil fuels because we have a limited supply and make some kind of effort to reduce our consumption, but it will take time. And only the government can do it. That is as far as I will allow environmentalism and the government to mix.
I also read somewhere that some guy bought land in a state but couldn't build anything on it because it was marked as "Endangered Wetlands". He had just moved from a communist country to get his basic rights back.
Obama doesn't have much going for him this term aside from bin Laden's death, even to the Democrats. They had a majorities in both the Senate and the House, and healthcare still failed to get passed? I doubt many Democrats will respect their inability to do anything for four years.Hypnotoad said:
A strong Republican candidate will probably appear soon and soon we'll be debating about him. In the meantime, though, there isn't much to say about them other than the fact that they seem to become more conservative as the Democrats become more liberal. Eventually we'll get a Moderate party that lies somewhere in the middle.
