How do you regard the 1986 story about Mario/Peach pairing?

[Dorayaki]

First of all, the 2023 story obviously made much better sense because Mario and Peach had enough time to develop a friendship in the first half of the film, unlike the 1986 one where the two technically don't know each other well. I mean even if Peach still dates Haru today, at least the 2023 story gave a better reason why Mario wants to save Peach.

But in the realworld view, the 1986 story was no doubt a giant bomb to audience who expected the contrary version of the story, due to there was no much canon information from Nintendo and Miyamoto, if I remember correctly. I feel like Miyamoto could had done a better job to avoid fandom metldown no matter what he wanted for the canon.

I assume Pauline was still a potential love interest for Mario in early setting if that is the whole reason why Miyamoto didn't acknowledge Mario-Peach pairing too firmly, however both she and Haru didn't star in later games or media in early SMB era, notably the Super Mario Show from 1989. Arguably, the later real action film in 1993 yet again made Mario date someone beside Peach.

As for today, Mario pratically wins over Haru because he is both the protagonist and a videogame character that would eventaully longlive with Peach. But if the 1986 story was entirely its own enclosed canon, I still feel bad for the 1986 Mario who never got a chance to properly know Peach just like the 2023 Mario. I know the 1986 Mario didn't want to break Peach's heart, but in realworld view, I think he actually lost to the boundary of story, not Haru as a love rival.

I'd honestly say Haru also did alot of impressive job in the 1986 story to prove his love for Peach, and would not lose to Mario easily if they do start a romance rivalry. It feels like Haru would had got much better reception if he was born in modern gaming and has his own perepective in storytelling, just like Marth and Alm from Fire Emblem series.

Do you think the 1986 story could had done better? If later Mario games and stories do continue the 1986 canon, do you think Mario will eventually change Peach's mind and win her heart?

 

[Fawfulthegreat64]

I don't consider that story canon, nor do I ship Haru with Peach, but I also don't ship Mario and Peach and would prefer the main cast's relationship status to remain ambiguous.

 

[Mcmadness]

I couldn't care less about shipping.

Unless its recieving.

 

[Xiahou Dun]

This movie's impact is relatively limited even in the region it's released in (iirc). I doubt there has been any sort of "fandom meltdown" significant enough for anyone involved to care.

Maybe the story should've been done better but I found it serviceable and the twist ending was played mostly for comedy and subversion and Mario says, anyway, "Your happiness is my happiness." I certainly would've preferred it over the typical "hero marries the princess" though.

 

[Fawfulthegreat64]

You'd be surprised. I feel like every month or so I see a post somewhere that's a picture of Haru and says "am I the only one who absolutely hates this character's guts viscerally" and the entire comment section is all like "hear hear, worst character ever i spit on him"

I really don't care about him one way or the other since he's a one-off from a very different and one-off interpretation of the Mario world, but I can't help but feel compelled to go against the grain on the visceral hate people have for him. Like, the only reason they hate him that much is because they think Mario "deserved" the princess. They're angrier on Mario's behalf than Mario ever was.

 

[Xiahou Dun]

All those people are probably salty Mario x Peach shippers who really need to chill out. I can't imagine clinging so hard to two fictional characters being together (especially when people identify themselves as one or call other people such, as if that's the first thing I think about when I think about anyone), when the source material isn't that interested to committing to it to begin with, that a narrative based on source material didn't decide to adhere to it.

 

[Dorayaki]

This movie's impact is relatively limited even in the region it's released in (iirc). I doubt there has been any sort of "fandom meltdown" significant enough for anyone involved to care.

Maybe the story should've been done better but I found it serviceable and the twist ending was played mostly for comedy and subversion and Mario says, anyway, "Your happiness is my happiness." I certainly would've preferred it over the typical "hero marries the princess" though.

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Well according to the advetising it was an intentional misleading (in an awful way of course).

I don't think this is the proper case for a love lesson when the movie needs to do advetising job and prepare for future games, continuation should be considered properly. As for the plot, it would honestly be more feasible for one-off characters like Shokora.

It feels more like its major failure interrupts its further plans rather than Miyamoto really wanted to waste money on a limited story. As I said the 1989 TV show could had continued the story settings if Miyamoto wanted to, since the plot and settings weren't licensed by the Japanese animation studio.

You'd be surprised. I feel like every month or so I see a post somewhere that's a picture of Haru and says "am I the only one who absolutely hates this character's guts viscerally" and the entire comment section is all like "hear hear, worst character ever i spit on him"

Yeah I always think this is Miyamoto and the writer's fault. The prince shouldn't be the one to blame especially he did nothing wrong in actual story.