United States Presidential Election, 2012

Uhh... Ireland was the first European country to be hit by the recession, and it's level of household debt is currently the second highest in the entire world. What I did know without having to skim through Wikipedia at the last minute, however, is that Ireland had to be bailed out by the European Central Bank when they were nearing bankruptcy in late 2010.
 
Really? I need to check my sources next time.... Anyway, disregard the section about Ireland then.
 
carcinoGeneticist said:
...but isn't Canada further to the left than the United States? Why would you go there to escape a liberal politician?
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You're saying this as if a bunch of moronic pre-teens in early middle school actually knew about world politics.
 
Magus said:
Gingrich's win is good news for conservatives as far as economical policies go, so I suppose I'm happy with the results.
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It's not the economic policies that bother me. I think that both conservatives and liberals have good ideas for economic policies and an intelligent debate would be wonderful.

It's the nastiness. It's the fanaticism. It's the flat-out lies to tear apart the opposition whether it's true or not. It's the desire to force everyone in America to conform to their view of Christianity. It's the hypocrisy of having a shitload of affairs and marriages, and then saying that he has the right to stop gays from getting married once. Barack Obama makes mistakes, but it's obvious that he's a good man. I don't think there's a decent bone in Gingrich's body.

I know that good economic policies technically trump the morality of a politician, but (speaking hypothetically, if Gingrich wins the presidency) if being a decent man gets you booted out of office and declared an anti-American communist from Kenya, and being an opportunistic jackass gets you the presidency over the aforementioned decent man, something is seriously wrong with the world.
 
Messed Up Freakshow of Cryptic Sarcasm said:
It's the nastiness. It's the fanaticism. It's the flat-out lies to tear apart the opposition whether it's true or not. It's the desire to force everyone in America to conform to their view of Christianity.
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wait a second

have you been listening to the liberal version of FOX News
 
carcinoGeneticist said:
...but isn't Canada further to the left than the United States? Why would you go there to escape a liberal politician?
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Even our republicans are pretty liberal.
 
Dr. Javelin said:
Messed Up Freakshow of Cryptic Sarcasm said:
It's the nastiness. It's the fanaticism. It's the flat-out lies to tear apart the opposition whether it's true or not. It's the desire to force everyone in America to conform to their view of Christianity.
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wait a second

have you been listening to the liberal version of FOX News
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I don't need to listen to liberal propaganda to think those things- I just listen to five minutes of conservative propaganda! They seem pretty proud of most of this stuff, actually.
 
Messed Up Freakshow of Cryptic Sarcasm said:
Magus said:
Gingrich's win is good news for conservatives as far as economical policies go, so I suppose I'm happy with the results.
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It's not the economic policies that bother me. I think that both conservatives and liberals have good ideas for economic policies and an intelligent debate would be wonderful.

It's the nastiness. It's the fanaticism. It's the flat-out lies to tear apart the opposition whether it's true or not. It's the desire to force everyone in America to conform to their view of Christianity. It's the hypocrisy of having a *bleep*load of affairs and marriages, and then saying that he has the right to stop gays from getting married once. Barack Obama makes mistakes, but it's obvious that he's a good man. I don't think there's a decent bone in Gingrich's body.

I know that good economic policies technically trump the morality of a politician, but (speaking hypothetically, if Gingrich wins the presidency) if being a decent man gets you booted out of office and declared an anti-American communist from Kenya, and being an opportunistic jackass gets you the presidency over the aforementioned decent man, something is seriously wrong with the world.
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I do tend to focus less on morality (or at least what the public opinion of a candidate's morality is) when considering political candidates, but the thing about it is that Obama has several character flaws that worry me just as much as anything I've heard about Gingrich or Santorum. Why it is that every election year we wind up discussing what the media has unearthed on the strongest Republican candidate is beyond me. We're bordering on a moral discussion here now though, and that's somewhat off-topic.

Anyway, this pretty much sums up my opinion on Gingrich in terms of whether I think he should be elected or not.
 
It's because the Republican candidates tend to try to pass themselves off as flawless.
 
I am totally angry with Gingrich
[quote author=Newton "Newt" Gingrich at the Republican Debate]
"I can not imagine anything more despicable"
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Says someone who wants "open" relationships, meaning he can have sex with other people, including 2 maidens and 1 wife with cancer. Really they just love his "sexy" "additude" :lol: