Bush vs. Obama

Who do you choose?

  • Bush

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Obama

    Votes: 9 52.9%
  • Don't like neither equally

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • Total voters
    17
redacted] [quote author=Dr. Javelin said:
How about overall tax cuts? Everyone's happy.

Though that would mean reducing the size of government, which is of course a terrible idea as Obama has told us time and time again. Maybe we should expand government and raise taxes on the hard-working middle class! What an excellent idea!

Personally I feel that we could easily cut back on many government-funded venues such as environmentalism and relief effort and leave them in the hands of charity.
This.

We don't need a government that is as overgrown as ours. We don't need to police the world, or send money to all of the countries overseas, or have the bad programs we have that are a drain on the economy.

Tax cuts on the rich, poor, and middle-class are all good. Cutting taxes on them all directly benefits them all, and also indirectly benefits the middle-class and the poor further by allowing employers to: employ more people and to increase the salaries of their workforce. Let everybody do what they want with their money: it is their money, after all, not the government's.
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That's right, Regan proved when you cut taxes on the rich it trickles down to everyone, the middle class included. We know he was right because the economy prospered in the '80s. The rich are the ones who create jobs and hire people. I don't get why rich people are so hated, and yet everyone wants to be one! They aren't all bad men. Most of them just provide a good or service a lot of people want! What's wrong with that? What is the alternative to capitalism? The Red Flag of Communism which has led to the death of hundreds of millions in the 20th century?! I think Obama should be called before the House Unamerican Activities Committee!

A lot of people have attacked James Buchanan. Yes, the South seceded when he was a lame-duck president, and he could have sent the Army to crush them and prevented the American Civil War, in which the United States lost more men than the Revolutionary War, The War of 1812, the Spanish American Wario, World War I, World War II, and Vietnam COMBINED. But yet, he was a lame-duck and just didn't want to get involved. He did make some accomplishments during his presidency. When he retired, he thought history would judge him well. Unfortunately, historians have not been so flattering to the memory of James Buchanan.

A lot of people here have also attacked Hoover. Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again. He was a great Humanitarian. The Depression was not his fault. It just happened to happen while he was president. He did not want to turn the United States into a Communistic/Socialistic Welfare state. All the Government spending during FDR's regime did not help the Depression, it only made it worse.

Someone here said something against Nixon. He covered up that break-in at the Watergate Hotel WHO CARES?!!! SERIOUSLY! There was NO WAY IN HELL Nixon was going to lose to a far-leftist like George McGovern, anyway! He was a good president, he accomplished a lot during his presidency. Can you really compare that stupid little scandal to anything like getting us involved in unessesary WARS?!!!
 
Well Harry Truman is guilty of getting us involved in unnecessary wars too.
 
Caboose said:
Well Harry Truman is guilty of getting us involved in unnecessary wars too.
That would depend on whether or not you consider stopping communism necessary.

If you look at the world today it's probably better for the Cold War and Korean War (well maybe not Korean). There's no more communism in Europe and at least South Korea is still free.

Though it is still a bit odd how the US always repeats the cycle of helping whatever government we feel is right, Libya is quite similar to the Korean War except it hasn't gone on as long. I doubt the world views this as good foreign policy.
 
Well if we're talking necessity here, the United States is 100% dependent on fossil fuels, and the middle east has lots of it.
 
Christian Brutal Sniper said:
Well if we're talking necessity here, the United States is 100% dependent on fossil fuels, and the middle east has lots of it.
Yes they have a lot therefore it is theirs and we have no right to take it
 
I was gonna make some long winded rebuttal to Mwikedor up there but then I saw this

Marwikedor said:
I think Obama should be called before the House Unamerican Activities Committee!

and I realized it would be useless talking to him.

I will however point out one thing:

Marwikedor said:
All the Government spending during FDR's regime did not help the Depression, it only made it worse.
Yes it 100% did. It just still couldn't quite do enough to completely end the Depression.
 
Utsuchao Reiuji said:
Marwikedor said:
I think Obama should be called before the House Unamerican Activities Committee!
The HUAC was d
I don't think they have that anymore nor do i think Obama has done anything to violate the Constitution
 
Disco Inferno said:
Utsuchao Reiuji said:
Marwikedor said:
I think Obama should be called before the House Unamerican Activities Committee!
The HUAC was d
I don't think they have that anymore nor do i think Obama has done anything to violate the Constitution
Agreed. I may not agree with Obama's policies but he's not a corrupt president, as far as I can tell.
 
Dr. Javelin said:
I already said this. Oil is not a good reason, we should just make the environmentalists shut up and let us drill in Alaska and damn the polar bears or whatever other reasons.

You're an idiot. Stop talking.

That's all.
 
Rosencrantz said:
Dr. Javelin said:
I already said this. Oil is not a good reason, we should just make the environmentalists shut up and let us drill in Alaska and damn the polar bears or whatever other reasons.

You're an idiot. Stop talking.

That's all.
Yes we shall destroy the planet who cares what those so called scientists think
 
Rosencrantz said:
Dr. Javelin said:
I already said this. Oil is not a good reason, we should just make the environmentalists shut up and let us drill in Alaska and damn the polar bears or whatever other reasons.

You're an idiot. Stop talking.

That's all.
I'm sorry, I meant caribou.

Still...

Humans > Caribou
 
Dr. Javelin said:
Rosencrantz said:
Dr. Javelin said:
I already said this. Oil is not a good reason, we should just make the environmentalists shut up and let us drill in Alaska and damn the polar bears or whatever other reasons.

You're an idiot. Stop talking.

That's all.
I'm sorry, I meant caribou.

Still...

Humans > Caribou
Or we could actually try and create a more environmentally friendly fuel
 
Man, this is NOT what I thought this topic was going to be about.

:⁠(

I'm not a big fan of either of them.
 
Dr. Javelin said:
Rosencrantz said:
Dr. Javelin said:
I already said this. Oil is not a good reason, we should just make the environmentalists shut up and let us drill in Alaska and damn the polar bears or whatever other reasons.

You're an idiot. Stop talking.

That's all.
I'm sorry, I meant caribou.

Still...

Humans > Caribou

Wait a minute, are you the fucker that said humans have the inherent right to torture animals?
 
Christian Brutal Sniper said:
Dr. Javelin said:
Rosencrantz said:
Dr. Javelin said:
I already said this. Oil is not a good reason, we should just make the environmentalists shut up and let us drill in Alaska and damn the polar bears or whatever other reasons.

You're an idiot. Stop talking.

That's all.
I'm sorry, I meant caribou.

Still...

Humans > Caribou

Wait a minute, are you the *bleep*er that said humans have the inherent right to torture animals?
Well generally most animals will also kill us if given the chance
 
Disco Inferno said:
Christian Brutal Sniper said:
Dr. Javelin said:
Rosencrantz said:
Dr. Javelin said:
I already said this. Oil is not a good reason, we should just make the environmentalists shut up and let us drill in Alaska and damn the polar bears or whatever other reasons.

You're an idiot. Stop talking.

That's all.
I'm sorry, I meant caribou.

Still...

Humans > Caribou

Wait a minute, are you the *bleep*er that said humans have the inherent right to torture animals?
Well generally most animals will also kill us if given the chance

Animals kill only if they feel threatened, usually
 
Baby Luigi said:
Disco Inferno said:
Christian Brutal Sniper said:
Dr. Javelin said:
Rosencrantz said:
Dr. Javelin said:
I already said this. Oil is not a good reason, we should just make the environmentalists shut up and let us drill in Alaska and damn the polar bears or whatever other reasons.

You're an idiot. Stop talking.

That's all.
I'm sorry, I meant caribou.

Still...

Humans > Caribou

Wait a minute, are you the *bleep*er that said humans have the inherent right to torture animals?
Well generally most animals will also kill us if given the chance

Animals kill only if they feel threatened, usually
or hungry
 
Yeah, that too. Oops, I just missed that point.

But I honestly think humans = other animals because we depend on each other to make things ecologically sustainable.
 
Disco Inferno said:
Christian Brutal Sniper said:
Dr. Javelin said:
Humans > Caribou

Wait a minute, are you the *bleep*er that said humans have the inherent right to torture animals?
Well generally most animals will also kill us if given the chance

There's a difference between killing from instinct and torture.

Do you know what torture even means?
 
Christian Brutal Sniper said:
Dr. Javelin said:
Humans > Caribou

Wait a minute, are you the *bleep*er that said humans have the inherent right to torture animals?
Eh

Time to claim temporary insanity. It's worked before, right?

I was probably in a depressing mood that day or something. Torture is a bit far. We should still have the right to eat them or something.
 
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