DragonFreak
Everything that drowns me makes me wanna fly!
Yeah, it doesn't feel Disney at all. I'm actually still deciding if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Wander Over Yonder (from PPG and Foster's creator)
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Nabber said:
Ironic, given the show was created by the creator of 2 popular Cartoon Network shows.
I really hate the comparisons to Spongebob Squarepants that have been going around when talking about this show. Yeah, the main character is happy and annoyed a disgruntled foil. That's pretty much where the similarities end, in my book. Wander feels different, because unlike Spongebob, who's just child-like yet old enough to be the smarter then Patrick and annoyed with HIS stupidity, Wander feels like the absolute embodiment of good, which was the intention. Wander see the good in everyone and everything, always tries to be positive and do the right thing. The only person he really annoyed is Lord Hater, and honestly, Lord Hater has it coming to him a lot of the time.
While I don't want to bring the subject onto ponies, because I KNOW someone will get upset over that, Wander, to me, feels like what Pinkie Pie SHOULD be. See, Pinkie Pie is all about making others happy, but she only seems to make them happy through partying and whatnot; Wander makes others happy by just being generally nice, hearing their problems, and doing the best he can to solve those problems. And furthermore, whenever Pinkie does something annoying, it's usually to a character who we like/relate to/sympathize with, and annoyance on them is bound to translate into annoyance on US! As I said, Wander is only ever annoying to Lord Hater, who we're not meant to relate to or sympathize with (I do like him, but only as a villain, and I LOVE seeing him getting foiled, usually be his own incompetence, which is brought on by Wander). While it's true that Wander annoys Sylvia at times, Sylvia understands what Wander tries to do and respects that, but also tries to explain to Wander about the situation they're in, and Wander actually LISTENS! See, that's another thing about Wander, he's actually courteous as well! Like in The Fugitives, Sylvia tells him that he needs to stop helping people so they can escape, and Wander actually listens! ...Doesn't last long, but still, he feels a lot more respectable then Spongebob or Pinkie Pie!
Though yeah, the strongest aspect of the show is it's animation and style, which might not resonate with everyone... Still, even with those who don't like, I just say "Well poo-poo to you!", because I love this show! In fact, I'm just going to say it here and now: it's now my favorite TV show, not just on the air, but of ALL TIME! Seriously, unless next week's episode or a future episode turns out to be a flop, there hasn't been a single episode I didn't like or appreciate the message or moral it tried to get across! Plus, it's just so gosh-darn POSITIVE, in an absolute wasteland of TV shows that thrive on being so cynical, mean-spirited, or dare-I-say "realistic". This is EXACTLY the kind of show to pick one up and remind them of the good things in life!
I really hate the comparisons to Spongebob Squarepants that have been going around when talking about this show. Yeah, the main character is happy and annoyed a disgruntled foil. That's pretty much where the similarities end, in my book. Wander feels different, because unlike Spongebob, who's just child-like yet old enough to be the smarter then Patrick and annoyed with HIS stupidity, Wander feels like the absolute embodiment of good, which was the intention. Wander see the good in everyone and everything, always tries to be positive and do the right thing. The only person he really annoyed is Lord Hater, and honestly, Lord Hater has it coming to him a lot of the time.
While I don't want to bring the subject onto ponies, because I KNOW someone will get upset over that, Wander, to me, feels like what Pinkie Pie SHOULD be. See, Pinkie Pie is all about making others happy, but she only seems to make them happy through partying and whatnot; Wander makes others happy by just being generally nice, hearing their problems, and doing the best he can to solve those problems. And furthermore, whenever Pinkie does something annoying, it's usually to a character who we like/relate to/sympathize with, and annoyance on them is bound to translate into annoyance on US! As I said, Wander is only ever annoying to Lord Hater, who we're not meant to relate to or sympathize with (I do like him, but only as a villain, and I LOVE seeing him getting foiled, usually be his own incompetence, which is brought on by Wander). While it's true that Wander annoys Sylvia at times, Sylvia understands what Wander tries to do and respects that, but also tries to explain to Wander about the situation they're in, and Wander actually LISTENS! See, that's another thing about Wander, he's actually courteous as well! Like in The Fugitives, Sylvia tells him that he needs to stop helping people so they can escape, and Wander actually listens! ...Doesn't last long, but still, he feels a lot more respectable then Spongebob or Pinkie Pie!
Though yeah, the strongest aspect of the show is it's animation and style, which might not resonate with everyone... Still, even with those who don't like, I just say "Well poo-poo to you!", because I love this show! In fact, I'm just going to say it here and now: it's now my favorite TV show, not just on the air, but of ALL TIME! Seriously, unless next week's episode or a future episode turns out to be a flop, there hasn't been a single episode I didn't like or appreciate the message or moral it tried to get across! Plus, it's just so gosh-darn POSITIVE, in an absolute wasteland of TV shows that thrive on being so cynical, mean-spirited, or dare-I-say "realistic". This is EXACTLY the kind of show to pick one up and remind them of the good things in life!
Okay, I totally did not mean for what I wrote in the spoiler tag to be as long as it was. I guess I just get really passionate about this show.
And as to whether or not this show is truly "Disney"... I don't freaking care. Disney's spent so much time focusing on their brand that they're not focusing enough on making good, quality shows... And honestly, I like this new direction it's going with the Disney Channel, moving away from dumb live-action shows and more towards creator-driven cartoon shows and hiring good talent to revive older cartoons, such as the new Mickey Mouse shorts. But that's just me.
DragonFreak
Everything that drowns me makes me wanna fly!
So far, Wander Over Yonder has potential. I'm still kind of iffy on it. I'll give it 10-15 more episodes and I'll re-evaluate it.
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Just felt like sharing this for a moment:
The guy here, Daniel Floyd, talks about why certain "retro-style" games stick with us, and gives his own personal reason for it. Thing is, the words Dan uses, "joy, zany, child-like wonder", those are the same exact words I use to describe Wander Over Yonder! So many times, I've come across people who say Wander's annoying, the show's childish, or that it's not as good as DuckTales, Darkwing Duck, Gargoyles, blah blah blah... Now, setting aside the "they don't make 'em like they used to" attitude here, isn't it SAD that something that's just apologetically fun is being shunned and looked down upon simply for being that? I mean, not to knock the mroe serious dramas other TV shows do, but why CAN'T we just enjoy something like this? This is now my favorite TV show, not just on the air or in modern times, but of ALL TIME, because I LOVE this aspect about the show. It's funny, it's crazy, it's got great comedic timing, it's knows JUST what it wants to be without missing the mark, and best (or perhaps in a way, worst) of all, it stands out as an inherently positive show in the utter wasteland that is cynical, mean-spirited, snarky and sarcastic, and at times outright RUDE shows where characters are mean to each other without a second thought. There's this assumption that comedy is all about the suffering of others, and while that's true to an extent, this show proves that you can be funny AND be heartwarming and have a good message as well! I literally can NOT say enough good things about this show, and it greatly saddens me that people are putting it down for the very things that the show excels at...
...Ah well, maybe in time, it'll grow an appreciation... Or perhaps kids who watch it today with get nostalgic for it and then say no show will ever be as good as this one. Hopefully, that second one won't happen... or at the very least, be as bad as how it is today.
The guy here, Daniel Floyd, talks about why certain "retro-style" games stick with us, and gives his own personal reason for it. Thing is, the words Dan uses, "joy, zany, child-like wonder", those are the same exact words I use to describe Wander Over Yonder! So many times, I've come across people who say Wander's annoying, the show's childish, or that it's not as good as DuckTales, Darkwing Duck, Gargoyles, blah blah blah... Now, setting aside the "they don't make 'em like they used to" attitude here, isn't it SAD that something that's just apologetically fun is being shunned and looked down upon simply for being that? I mean, not to knock the mroe serious dramas other TV shows do, but why CAN'T we just enjoy something like this? This is now my favorite TV show, not just on the air or in modern times, but of ALL TIME, because I LOVE this aspect about the show. It's funny, it's crazy, it's got great comedic timing, it's knows JUST what it wants to be without missing the mark, and best (or perhaps in a way, worst) of all, it stands out as an inherently positive show in the utter wasteland that is cynical, mean-spirited, snarky and sarcastic, and at times outright RUDE shows where characters are mean to each other without a second thought. There's this assumption that comedy is all about the suffering of others, and while that's true to an extent, this show proves that you can be funny AND be heartwarming and have a good message as well! I literally can NOT say enough good things about this show, and it greatly saddens me that people are putting it down for the very things that the show excels at...
...Ah well, maybe in time, it'll grow an appreciation... Or perhaps kids who watch it today with get nostalgic for it and then say no show will ever be as good as this one. Hopefully, that second one won't happen... or at the very least, be as bad as how it is today.
DragonFreak
Everything that drowns me makes me wanna fly!
In his pile of games, from bottom to top, went Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario Bros, and Super Mario Bros 2. OCD overload. But anyways, nostolgia is a generation thing, for the most part. Like the shows that are on right now, we may not be nostolgic to a majority of them, but this generation may. Who knows.
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I saw The Prisoner last Friday, I freaking loved it! I thought it was about time Commander Peepers got a bit more screentime and characterization, and I'm glad this episode focuses on him! Though really, as much as I love Tom Kenny, hearing him in this episode, I keep hearing him slipping into either Spongebob or the Mayor of Townsville (or when he was laughing at the beginning, into the Ice King). That being said, he's awesome all the same.
Thing I want to mention is that I like how Peepers isn't a blind follow or a Starscream; he doesn't blindly go along and suck up to Lord Hater, nor doe she plot to overthrow him. He follows Hater out of genuine loyalty and admiration, but at the same time, he'll still raise concerns when he feels Lord Hater could use some assistance or keep focused on the mission at hand (not that it ever works, since Lord Hater hates being told what to do and is pretty rash and irresponsible in general). This episode is a good example of what his character is like, in that he's still loyal to Hater (though this episode might imply it's more out of fear then anything, something I don't particularly like) but thinks it's ridiculous that Hater would consider Wander an actual threat. Which, well, yeah, you wouldn't really expect someone like Wander, who doesn't even fight, to be a threat to anyone, and yet when you look at his past encounters with Lord Hater, Wander always manages to (sometimes inadvertently) evade the deadly advances of Hater, foil his plans, and make him look like a fool in the process. I thought Hater was exaggerating when he went on about how cunning Wander is, but I'll get to that in a moment...
For now, I just want to mention that, even though what I love most about this series is how positive it is and acts as a great contrast to most modern television these days, Lord Hater might just be my favorite character. He's just so hammy in the way he acts, and his voice is a perfect match for a guy like him. The way he talks to Peepers in this episode, and the stuff he says in general just always gets a good laugh out of me!
But as for the rest of the episode itself, it was pretty much what I'd expect, though in some ways not so much. See, throughout the episode, I initially thought Wander was genuinely oblivious to the danger he was in and was just messing around for fun, you know, like he usually does. Thing is, there were moments, like when he started the food fight in the food court and when he found out the remote he was holding was a remote self-destruct and just smiled and ran of... It seemed like he knew EXACTLY what was going on, and that he was doing this to push Peepers' buttons. And, well, I don't know if I like this, since it while it would imply that Wander IS indeed a lot more cunning then meets the eye, it would also imply that he's also pretty devious... and that just isn't Wander. He's supposed to be positivity made flesh (and fur), and I can't see him doing something underhanded like that.
I also have to say, for a series that's all about positivity, I didn't like the ending, even though I probably would have been fine were this any other TV show.
That said, this was a HILARIOUS episode. Some of my favorite parts included Lord Hater contacting Peepers over the phone as he's attacked by big monsters ("What's that screaming?! You better not be torturing him without me!"), Wander in Lord Hater's bedroom, and the triumphant "Commander Peepers!" leitmotif that's played throughout the episode! All-in-all, another good one!
Thing I want to mention is that I like how Peepers isn't a blind follow or a Starscream; he doesn't blindly go along and suck up to Lord Hater, nor doe she plot to overthrow him. He follows Hater out of genuine loyalty and admiration, but at the same time, he'll still raise concerns when he feels Lord Hater could use some assistance or keep focused on the mission at hand (not that it ever works, since Lord Hater hates being told what to do and is pretty rash and irresponsible in general). This episode is a good example of what his character is like, in that he's still loyal to Hater (though this episode might imply it's more out of fear then anything, something I don't particularly like) but thinks it's ridiculous that Hater would consider Wander an actual threat. Which, well, yeah, you wouldn't really expect someone like Wander, who doesn't even fight, to be a threat to anyone, and yet when you look at his past encounters with Lord Hater, Wander always manages to (sometimes inadvertently) evade the deadly advances of Hater, foil his plans, and make him look like a fool in the process. I thought Hater was exaggerating when he went on about how cunning Wander is, but I'll get to that in a moment...
For now, I just want to mention that, even though what I love most about this series is how positive it is and acts as a great contrast to most modern television these days, Lord Hater might just be my favorite character. He's just so hammy in the way he acts, and his voice is a perfect match for a guy like him. The way he talks to Peepers in this episode, and the stuff he says in general just always gets a good laugh out of me!
But as for the rest of the episode itself, it was pretty much what I'd expect, though in some ways not so much. See, throughout the episode, I initially thought Wander was genuinely oblivious to the danger he was in and was just messing around for fun, you know, like he usually does. Thing is, there were moments, like when he started the food fight in the food court and when he found out the remote he was holding was a remote self-destruct and just smiled and ran of... It seemed like he knew EXACTLY what was going on, and that he was doing this to push Peepers' buttons. And, well, I don't know if I like this, since it while it would imply that Wander IS indeed a lot more cunning then meets the eye, it would also imply that he's also pretty devious... and that just isn't Wander. He's supposed to be positivity made flesh (and fur), and I can't see him doing something underhanded like that.
I also have to say, for a series that's all about positivity, I didn't like the ending, even though I probably would have been fine were this any other TV show.
Basically, Sylvia punches Peeper's in the face (or rather, giant eyeball), and he lands on the remote self-destruct. Wander and Sylvia escape, while Peepers panics before Lord Hater shows up, disapprovingly glares at Peepers as he admits how wrong he was and to please stop the detonation, which he does right before the whole place blows (I'm beginning to suspect "Lord Hater, #1 superstar" is going to be his catchphrase from now on), and then proceeds to blast Peepers for failing him... and then the goofy end-of-episode jingle place and the episode ends... Yeah, no, that's just cruel. I can understand Lord Hater being the butt of jokes and getting punished and somewhat abused, since he's both the bad guy and an irredeemable jerk a lot of the time. This is why I say Wander isn't as annoying as people say he is, because his annoyance is meant to get on Lord Hater's nerves, and we're not supposed to sympathize with Lord Hater. But Peepers? Peepers was just trying to do his job. He isn't even that big a jerk. Seeing him get punished like that... And having the episode end on that... It just doesn't feel right.
That said, this was a HILARIOUS episode. Some of my favorite parts included Lord Hater contacting Peepers over the phone as he's attacked by big monsters ("What's that screaming?! You better not be torturing him without me!"), Wander in Lord Hater's bedroom, and the triumphant "Commander Peepers!" leitmotif that's played throughout the episode! All-in-all, another good one!
DragonFreak
Everything that drowns me makes me wanna fly!
Yeah, that episode was pretty funny. Probably would've been more funny if I wasn't also playing Layton at the time. I learned the Tom Kenny played Spyro in Ripto's Rage. Fangirl scream!
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Sorry for the late response, lots of stuff for me to get to, mostly watching Avatar: The Last Airbender.
But yeah, The Bad Guy, this was an interesting episode. While it might not be my favorite episode, or an episode I particularly liked all that much, I think there's quite a bit to gleam from this.
So yeah, those are my thoughts on the episode. I look forward to the next episode, The Troll:
But yeah, The Bad Guy, this was an interesting episode. While it might not be my favorite episode, or an episode I particularly liked all that much, I think there's quite a bit to gleam from this.
For one, it seem to tackle the idea of what Wander would be like if he were truly a bad guy. Whenever Wander puts on the mustache, he seems to lose control of himself, doing bad stuff for the sake of doing bad stuff; picking fights, destroying stuff, stealing that bubble juice (speaking of which, I like that it finally got a name, even if I can't remember it, and that apparently Wander has a limited supply of it; wonder if that comes up later on?); however, none if this really betrays his character, since Wander is still self-conscious enough to feel like what he's doing is bad and will gladly turn back to good if he feels he's overdone it (wanting to return the biker's bike for example). Though in the end, it DOES go to his head, and Sylvia has to remove the mustache to have him go back to normal... Wonder if Sylvia is going to keep that thing? I don't think Wander truly likes being bad, and only gets into it for the sake of being in this town.
Speaking of the town, this episode makes me think that Lord Hater is the only truly bad guy in the Wander Over Yonder universe, since all the thugs in town, in an absolutely BRILLIANT twist, turn out to all be total fakers, and actually really sweet nice guys at heart. Most shows I watch would have the episode end with Sylvia pleading to the bad guy, only for the bad guys to SEEM like they're swayed only to go "nope" and beat them up, or do the same thing but have Wander and Sylvia escape somehow. What I wasn't expecting was that all the guys were just like Wander, bullying and being mean because they feel they have to in a town like that. Once they all admitted to that, they all turn into really nice people. It feels so surreal that I almost thought the show would double back on them being jerks before it ended, but sure enough, they stayed good until the end! This once again reinforces why I love this show, I just love how positive it is, and how it can managed to be funny and unpredictable while still maintaining that positive message.
Though I have to wonder about that lemon/apple guy at the bar (great design, BTW). He seemed like the seedy type, was THAT just an act? Did HE return the gems he took from Sylvia? Well, Sylvia probably didn't want gems regurgitated from some two-headed alien's stomach. Speaking of which, though, we FINALLY get some form of currency in the Wander Over Yonder universe: gems! I wonder if they all vary in size, or if they have different colors...
Speaking of the town, this episode makes me think that Lord Hater is the only truly bad guy in the Wander Over Yonder universe, since all the thugs in town, in an absolutely BRILLIANT twist, turn out to all be total fakers, and actually really sweet nice guys at heart. Most shows I watch would have the episode end with Sylvia pleading to the bad guy, only for the bad guys to SEEM like they're swayed only to go "nope" and beat them up, or do the same thing but have Wander and Sylvia escape somehow. What I wasn't expecting was that all the guys were just like Wander, bullying and being mean because they feel they have to in a town like that. Once they all admitted to that, they all turn into really nice people. It feels so surreal that I almost thought the show would double back on them being jerks before it ended, but sure enough, they stayed good until the end! This once again reinforces why I love this show, I just love how positive it is, and how it can managed to be funny and unpredictable while still maintaining that positive message.
Though I have to wonder about that lemon/apple guy at the bar (great design, BTW). He seemed like the seedy type, was THAT just an act? Did HE return the gems he took from Sylvia? Well, Sylvia probably didn't want gems regurgitated from some two-headed alien's stomach. Speaking of which, though, we FINALLY get some form of currency in the Wander Over Yonder universe: gems! I wonder if they all vary in size, or if they have different colors...
So yeah, those are my thoughts on the episode. I look forward to the next episode, The Troll:
DragonFreak
Everything that drowns me makes me wanna fly!
I totally forgot this show. I've been way too busy on Fridays, or any days in general, to watch Disney.
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So I saw The Troll today... with my grandma no less! She's staying over for a week, and I showed her Wander Over Yonder; she finds it adorable! But on to the actual episode.