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At the moment of posting this, M23 and M24 are vacant, and potentially the removal of M10 Favorite Partner Developer. There is interest in filling them with Odyssey-themed awards such as Captures and Outfits, as well as ones to represent Songs, DK levels, Microgames, etc.

Please suggest any idea you have and potential nominees if possible, and as time goes on we'll see if any of them pan out as good replacements

[2018-03-09 18:35:21] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but
[2018-03-09 18:35:22] <Anton{Politoed}> 4https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39682.0
[2018-03-09 18:35:24] <smasher> favorite upcoming game: THE MOVIE
[2018-03-09 18:35:28] <Stargazing> we don't have sufficient information
[2018-03-09 18:35:31] <Anton{Politoed}> 4we need to start refining which awards we want
[2018-03-09 18:35:39] <GBAToad> the movie sounds like a 2019 issue
[2018-03-09 18:35:41] <GBAToad> and honestly
[2018-03-09 18:35:42] <Anton{Politoed}> 4this can happen more in this topic but _
[2018-03-09 18:35:46] <GBAToad> that would fall under favourite voice actor
[2018-03-09 18:35:48] <GBAToad> if anything
[2018-03-09 18:36:13] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but we've got 2 empty award slots, that are conveniently numbered next to each other, that we can make readily available for these
[2018-03-09 18:36:14] <GBAToad> like thats where we've agreed to acknowledge all the VAs and stuff from the live action movie and tv shows
[2018-03-09 18:36:21] <Anton{Politoed}> 4should there be two awards that come out of this
[2018-03-09 18:36:23] <GBAToad> and seems to be our go to for the non-games consumable media
[2018-03-09 18:36:36] <Shoey> i'm up for costumes and captures
[2018-03-09 18:36:41] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but checking out https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39682.msg1994578#msg1994578
[2018-03-09 18:36:49] <Anton{Politoed}> 4costumes and captures are things we can't merge into other awards, yeah
[2018-03-09 18:36:53] <Anton{Politoed}> 4so I'm up for exploring those
[2018-03-09 18:37:13] <Lakituthequick> capture could potentially overlap with species
[2018-03-09 18:37:13] <Shoey> like we could always have those two as awards this year
[2018-03-09 18:37:20] <turb> capture is different enough from species imo
[2018-03-09 18:37:26] <Shoey> is a taxi cap a species now ltq
[2018-03-09 18:37:26] <Stargazing> yeah i like costume and capture as awards
[2018-03-09 18:37:28] <turb> theres stuff on species that is uncapturable
[2018-03-09 18:37:31] <__2257> 7i think so too
[2018-03-09 18:37:37] <turb> and stuff on capture that isnt a spieces
[2018-03-09 18:37:38] <__2257> 7capture is like
[2018-03-09 18:37:39] <mcd> yeah i think capture is more what you can do with it
[2018-03-09 18:37:39] <Baby_Luigi> Capture you can actually control them in the platformer enviornment
[2018-03-09 18:37:43] <__2257> 7more about whats the most fun to play
[2018-03-09 18:37:50] <Lord_Bowser> i feel like costumes would be tough to narrow down cause the full costume isnt actually named
[2018-03-09 18:37:55] <__2257> 7than what you just think is a cool character design or whatever
[2018-03-09 18:37:59] <Baby_Luigi> Also gives us an excuse to draw Pokio
[2018-03-09 18:38:01] <GBAToad> i thought it was LB
[2018-03-09 18:38:03] <Lord_Bowser> the hat and shirt are but not the set
[2018-03-09 18:38:10] <Shoey> we'd just do Costume_Mario
[2018-03-09 18:38:19] <Baby_Luigi> That's exactly what I was thinking PLUS some people like using non-fitting costumes
[2018-03-09 18:38:21] <Shoey> or you could just do
[2018-03-09 18:38:23] <Shoey> Cowboy
[2018-03-09 18:38:28] <Baby_Luigi> Like LGM like using dress Mario with the sunhat
[2018-03-09 18:38:32] <mcd> best costume theme?
[2018-03-09 18:38:32] <Baby_Luigi> Because it does look nice
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[2018-03-09 18:38:45] <__2257> 7my favorite costume doesnt even have an associated hat
[2018-03-09 18:38:52] <Anton{Politoed}> 4for the most part the hat+suit names are similar
[2018-03-09 18:38:53] <GBAToad> cant wait for that datamined 8-bit mario costume
[2018-03-09 18:39:01] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but what we can do is generate a nomination list for this award to see how it looks
[2018-03-09 18:39:03] <Lord_Bowser> yeah there are some standalone shirts that look good
[2018-03-09 18:39:06] <__2257> 7or an 8 bit version
[2018-03-09 18:39:08] <Lord_Bowser> skeleton suit
[2018-03-09 18:39:09] <__2257> 7im so oppressed
[2018-03-09 18:39:13] <Gamefreak75> skeleton is the only acceptble answer
[2018-03-09 18:39:22] <Baby_Luigi> No Dress is
[2018-03-09 18:39:23] <Anton{Politoed}> 4but the other things
[2018-03-09 18:39:32] <Lord_Bowser> the boxers dont come with a hat
[2018-03-09 18:39:33] <Shoey> we really can't factor in differing combinations
[2018-03-09 18:39:36] <GBAToad> we'd have to come up with non-official names and then vote on which ones are the most universally liked
[2018-03-09 18:39:43] <GBAToad> and yeah no different combinations
[2018-03-09 18:39:55] <Anton{Politoed}> 4Supporting Character, Species, Broodals, Bosses, Items, and Kingdoms
[2018-03-09 18:39:55] <smasher> i just thought of costumes and captures today
[2018-03-09 18:40:03] <GBAToad> also are they really costumes
[2018-03-09 18:40:07] <Lord_Bowser> favorite costume honestly doesnt sound like itd reflect peoples opinions very accurately
[2018-03-09 18:40:09] <GBAToad> i thought they were called Outfits in-game
[2018-03-09 18:40:11] <Anton{Politoed}> 4all can fit into other awards should we make heavy concessions on odyssey inclusion
[2018-03-09 18:40:18] <Lord_Bowser> i feel thered be a fuckton of write-ins
[2018-03-09 18:40:19] <mcd> the thing that worries me about favourite outfit is
[2018-03-09 18:40:25] <mcd> would it be based on anything other than just appearance
[2018-03-09 18:40:39] <turb> some of the outfits do shit in-game
[2018-03-09 18:40:42] <Shoey> I mean we could ditch favorite costume
[2018-03-09 18:40:48] <Shoey> and plug in favorite dk level
[2018-03-09 18:40:59] <Anton{Politoed}> 4that is an option, yeah
[2018-03-09 18:41:03] <turb> I think capture is better than costume
[2018-03-09 18:41:05] <mcd> i still feel like some of the other possible options would have more depth
[2018-03-09 18:41:09] <Shoey> or favorite microgame
[2018-03-09 18:41:12] <Baby_Luigi> Same here
[2018-03-09 18:41:15] <Lord_Bowser> favorite costume sounds like a good idea on paper but just doesnt seem like a good award cause too many options
[2018-03-09 18:41:15] <Snack> wait, is there a serious proposal for a favorite broodal award
[2018-03-09 18:41:16] <__2257> 7do any of them do anything other than unlock some rooms or make an npc give you a moon
[2018-03-09 18:41:18] <turb> and theres also other options for odyssey awards yeah
[2018-03-09 18:41:20] <turb> not afaik
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[2018-03-09 18:41:23] <turb> they make uh
[2018-03-09 18:41:26] <turb> luigi react to you
[2018-03-09 18:41:28] <turb> in certain ways?
[2018-03-09 18:41:29] <Anton{Politoed}> 4no snack, but it's just like
[2018-03-09 18:41:29] <turb> and also bowser
[2018-03-09 18:41:31] <Shoey> if you're gonna do an odyssey award ya gotta do capture
[2018-03-09 18:41:33] <__2257> 7favorite broodal wouldnt even work would it
[2018-03-09 18:41:34] <Anton{Politoed}> 4new shit from that game to take note of
[2018-03-09 18:41:39] <Snack> thank god
[2018-03-09 18:41:40] <__2257> 7not enoguh nominees
[2018-03-09 18:41:50] <GBAToad> i have an issue with favourite outfit intrinsically in that it will probably be deleted next year
[2018-03-09 18:41:52] <Shoey> so we're gonna add the hot broodal to best boss right?
[2018-03-09 18:41:55] <GBAToad> unless we get new costumes
[2018-03-09 18:42:00] <Baby_Luigi> you mean madame broode
[2018-03-09 18:42:02] <GBAToad> which have been confirmed to exist
[2018-03-09 18:42:07] <__2257> 7all the broodals were shit bosses honestly
[2018-03-09 18:42:11] <Anton{Politoed}> 4ok so what we'll do is
[2018-03-09 18:42:15] <Shoey> I mean favorite capture will probably be deleted next year gba
[2018-03-09 18:42:16] <__2257> 7their big robot thing was pretty good though
[2018-03-09 18:42:20] <Baby_Luigi> pretty much all bosses in odyssey aren't that good
[2018-03-09 18:42:20] <Anton{Politoed}> 4once again, forum this lol
[2018-03-09 18:42:23] <GBAToad> favourite capture isnt going to change a lot
[2018-03-09 18:42:34] <Anton{Politoed}> 4I'll likely create another new topic to incubate new award ideas
[2018-03-09 18:42:35] <GBAToad> like its pretty obvious they arent adding new worlds in just yet
[2018-03-09 18:42:43] <Anton{Politoed}> 4and curtail the current odyssey topic into that
[2018-03-09 18:42:46] <__2257> 7although smg already did "a boss you mount" better
[2018-03-09 18:42:51] <Shoey> ruined kingdom expansion when
[2018-03-09 18:42:58] <GBAToad> if we did awards like this i'd be in favour of idk
[2018-03-09 18:43:04] <GBAToad> lumping them into a special odyssey category
[2018-03-09 18:43:07] <GBAToad> like mini awards
[2018-03-09 18:43:09] <Anton{Politoed}> 4in that new topic I'll make after the meeting, you guys can lob in your award ideas and nominees and we'll see what turns up
[2018-03-09 18:43:09] <GBAToad> or some shit
[2018-03-09 18:43:15] <GBAToad> but that sounds pretty high maintenance
[2018-03-09 18:43:16] <Anton{Politoed}> 4that sounds like chaos
[2018-03-09 18:43:18] <Baby_Luigi> i would suggest favorite song w/ lyrics but...there's only two songs with lyrics in the game and lyrical mario music doesn't exist much else where
[2018-03-09 18:43:21] <Baby_Luigi> and too few options
[2018-03-09 18:43:27] <__2257> 7medamayaki
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[2018-03-09 18:43:30] <GBAToad> yes
[2018-03-09 18:43:32] <GBAToad> YES
[2018-03-09 18:43:38] <Lord_Bowser> phantom of the bwahpera
[2018-03-09 18:43:40] <__2257> 7thats the only other one i can think of (that has a name)
[2018-03-09 18:43:44] <Lord_Bowser> apparently thats good
[2018-03-09 18:43:45] <__2257> 7oh yeah that too
[2018-03-09 18:43:46] <Stargazing> do the mario
[2018-03-09 18:43:47] <__2257> 7and the dk rap
[2018-03-09 18:43:49] <GBAToad> do the mario
[2018-03-09 18:43:49] <Anton{Politoed}> 4ok so yeah i'll do that, a formal "New Award Ideas" topic that I'll redirect this odyssey one into
[2018-03-09 18:43:50] <GBAToad> dk rap
[2018-03-09 18:43:54] <Anton{Politoed}> 4i'll write that in my notes and move on
[2018-03-09 18:43:54] <__2257> 7i guess that makes enough to actually do that
[2018-03-09 18:44:00] <NEXandGBX> ok i really should just get my laptop replaced soon
[2018-03-09 18:44:07] <NEXandGBX> anyway what are we on now
[2018-03-09 18:44:09] <Lakituthequick> so that's four songs with lyrics
[2018-03-09 18:44:11] <GBAToad> favourite song would be cool
[2018-03-09 18:44:12] <Lakituthequick> wow
[2018-03-09 18:44:18] <__2257> 76
[2018-03-09 18:44:20] <Baby_Luigi> i don't know if we should add that mario hoops 3-on-3 sherbet land song on there
[2018-03-09 18:44:21] <GBAToad> but honestly like
[2018-03-09 18:44:26] <Anton{Politoed}> 4ok so that final thing on my Big Topic list doesn't have to do with our awards list at all
[2018-03-09 18:44:30] <GBAToad> we know that jump up superstar would win
[2018-03-09 18:44:32] <Anton{Politoed}> 4it has to do with Ltq
[2018-03-09 18:44:32] <Shoey> oh we will baby luigi
[2018-03-09 18:44:34] <__2257> 7the 2 in odyssey, medamayaki, phantom of the bwahpra, dk rap, do the mario
[2018-03-09 18:44:42] <Lakituthequick> hi
[2018-03-09 18:44:43] <GBAToad> theres more warioware ones
[2018-03-09 18:44:47] <Lord_Bowser> whats medamayaki
[2018-03-09 18:44:48] <GBAToad> ASHLEYS SONG
[2018-03-09 18:44:49] <Baby_Luigi> Mona Pizza
[2018-03-09 18:44:53] <mcd> body rock
[2018-03-09 18:44:55] <Baby_Luigi> So it is possible
[2018-03-09 18:44:56] <smasher> am i alive
[2018-03-09 18:44:57] <turb> medamayaki is from wari oland 4
[2018-03-09 18:45:00] <Shoey> we'll just fill it out with splatoon music gba
[2018-03-09 18:45:03] <__2257> 7medamayaki is the theme of the first level -- yeah
[2018-03-09 18:45:05] <Anton{Politoed}> 4in mine and turb's campaign https://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom_talk:Issue_128/Awards_Director_Election
[2018-03-09 18:45:09] <GBAToad> dude add octo expansion to favourite dlc
[2018-03-09 18:45:11] <Baby_Luigi> I know Jump Up Superstar would win but hey, it's an idea
[2018-03-09 18:45:13] <Snack> if do the mario counts there’s a half dozen other cartoon themes
[2018-03-09 18:45:14] <Lakituthequick> oh yeah, ashley's song
 

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my personal top-of-the-head idea would be a DKC Levels award (covering 1, 2, 3, Returns, and Tropical Freeze, 'cause you can't really judge 64 by the same metric) to replace the character. we'd give it a test drive and see if it starts stagnating too hard

wario's already part of the current 2d level award so i wouldn't give him one of his own
 

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I would like to see Favourite Microgame replace Favourite Wario Character because Perch makes a good point about Wario Land already being counted under 2D level.

If this idea is too specific, then maybe we could do a general repurpose of Worst Mario Party Minigame into Worst Minigame, and have a corresponding Best Minigame award, both of which including Microgames. It's hard to judge though, since Microgames are distinct enough from Minigames and might make the mixed nominees feel like apples and oranges, but I'd like to hear what other people think. I'd honestly prefer just the Microgames in one award since I cant recall if Best Minigame existed at one point and was canned for other reasons

My favourite idea brought up in the meeting was Favourite Song for Mario-series songs that have lyrics. People put forward suggestions like the obvious Jump Up, Super Star! but also stuff like Ashley's Song, Do the Mario!, the Mario Drawing Song, and Medamayaki. I feel it would be distinct enough and interesting enough to be included over best level music, I guess?

My biggest worry about including something like Favourite Costume or Favourite Capture is that it falls under the same category of awards as Favourite Galaxy and Favourite Mario Maker Element of years past, as in it applies to one game that won't have new nominees added to it in the next year (aside from maybe costume since there was a datamine of unreleased costumes) and will be removed once the relevant game becomes irrelevant. I'd rather something like Favourite Song to come out of Odyssey accommodation this year, since we can also include nominees from older games in it.

Finally the most important award which is Favourite Waluigi Animation and this will simply ask people to pick their favourite waluigi animation from across the series. Notable inclusions would be the Crotch Bang, You Won This Hole, and Waluigi Time. please consider for a prosperous awards season
 

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I'd like to see at least one Odyssey award, though. I agree with the virtue of having awards that are eternal, but what's inherently wrong with having a slot in flux that focuses on what's hot right now? It's definitely a problem if it's a sizable chunk of awards, but devoting some special attention to what's captured everyone's eyes at the moment helps to bring a little something fresh around. In the end we can only truly judge this once we've got lists of nominees to compare each to, so if another award idea is clearly stronger then I'll concede, I just don't think we should discredit the concept because we might remove it later.

Also as a general statement and not an outright voiding of the Best Minigame award, but we try to avoid having mirrors of awards in Mario/Fail if possible. There's quite a few mirrors already on larger-scale awards, so it's not impossible, but it's definitely something extra we'd have to gauge.
 

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I also really like the Favorite Song idea. At first, I thought only stuff like Jump Up Superstar and that J-Pop song from Odyssey would be the only contenders, as they really stood out in the trailers and they're used in huge Mario platformer games until things were explored a bit deeper and we could actually use a large variety of options mentioned in GBA's aforementioned post that could make it in for the poll. I do think about the potential overlap of Favorite Sound Design, but I feel like the songs themselves are fairly distinct than the games, and Sound Design accompanies pretty much all sound effects in the game and how the use of music is used, not necessarily for just music.

I don't mind having special one-year specific awards for whatever games that are hot by now either, especially with something huge like Odyssey, which don't come out on an annual basis anyway.

For the repurposement of Worst Minigame, are we going to include minigames such as trash throwing alongside stuff like Rudder Madness from Mario Party games? Because I feel like those are two distinct entities that shouldn't be grouped in the same category together.
 

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I like Favourite Song too. From the things gathered in the meeting last night, these songs exist:
[*]Ashley's Song
[*]Break Free (Lead the Way)
[*]DK Rap
[*]Do the Mario
[*]Jump Up, Super Star!
[*]Karaoke (Medamayaki)
[*]The Mario Drawing Song
[*]Mona Pizza
[*]Phantom of the Bwahpera

Edit: added Mona Pizza
 

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Does favorite song have to exclusively have lyriced music in it?
 

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one thing i thought of for favorite song: would the donkey kong cartoon country series count or is that not part of the purview of the award

i don't really expect we'll put any songs from it on the ballot proper but there might be write-ins and it'd probably be good to settle that now instead of later

e: i think it'd be better if favorite song was limited to lyrics-only because otherwise it's basically gonna be "hey decide from EVERY PIECE OF MUSIC IN THE ENTIRE SERIES" which is kinda overwhelming imo
 

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Miu Iruma said:
one thing i thought of for favorite song: would the donkey kong cartoon country series count or is that not part of the purview of the award

i don't really expect we'll put any songs from it on the ballot proper but there might be write-ins and it'd probably be good to settle that now instead of later
DK animated series is a good point. I don't know much about those except maybe the coconut cream pies and "One of us" so I won't be picking in those, but having them as write-ins for now seems fine.

Miu Iruma said:
e: i think it'd be better if favorite song was limited to lyrics-only because otherwise it's basically gonna be "hey decide from EVERY PIECE OF MUSIC IN THE ENTIRE SERIES" which is kinda overwhelming imo
This pretty much, having lyrics is a fairly unique thing, not having them is not.

Doesn't "song" by definition only include music with lyrics anyway? Would clear any existing confusion right away.
 

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Lakituthequick said:
Doesn't "song" by definition only include music with lyrics anyway? Would clear any existing confusion right away.
That's exactly what I thought of, though how normal people use it it often gets conflated with instrumental pieces.

I think people can easily figure out what we mean by "song" just by looking at the poll options.
 

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so having a favorite dk level award is a good idea, but it also makes me want to have a favorite yoshi level award, which we don't really have space for. i was thinking about this earlier, and one possibility i'm considering is to have the award rotate every year. anton also pointed out that the three favorite game awards are all quite stagnant, and i think that problem can be solved at the same time. here's what i'm thinking, although i'm of course open to suggested modifications:

  • cut m5 favorite dk game, m6 favorite wario game, and m7 favorite yoshi game
  • replace them with m5 favorite ___ level, m6 favorite ____ game, and m7 favorite ____ character
  • each year, fill in the blanks with a different subseries. so in a given year, we could have awards for favorite dk level, wario game, and yoshi character (we could also rotate them such that we get sets like dk level/dk game/dk character)

this way, we can give equal attention to the spin off franchises, while making these awards feel less stagnant by spreading them out more
 

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I'm a fan of this idea because it crams effectively 9 awards into 3 slots, opening it up for maintaining the representation of side-franchises (Yoshi, DK, Wario) without having them locked in as 'important awards' that don't have much change year to year, while still providing a variety in types of awards.
 

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the one question that needs to be answered is: how do we do favorite yoshi character

yoshi has like... yoshi, the babies, kamek?

i like the principle of the idea but i wanna know how we'd balance it
 

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Miu Iruma said:
one thing i thought of for favorite song: would the donkey kong cartoon country series count or is that not part of the purview of the award

i don't really expect we'll put any songs from it on the ballot proper but there might be write-ins and it'd probably be good to settle that now instead of later

e: i think it'd be better if favorite song was limited to lyrics-only because otherwise it's basically gonna be "hey decide from EVERY PIECE OF MUSIC IN THE ENTIRE SERIES" which is kinda overwhelming imo
if we do include Do The Mario then I'd be open to including a song from the DK series. I'd define it as:

An award for the Best Song related to the Mario series and spin-offs. This category is exclusively for lyrical songs that have featured in video games, official television series, and other Mario promotional material.

this should encompass all things from jump up super star, do the mario, and the mario drawing song
 

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Miu Iruma said:
the one question that needs to be answered is: how do we do favorite yoshi character

yoshi has like... yoshi, the babies, kamek?

i like the principle of the idea but i wanna know how we'd balance it
if we were totes hardcore, we'd split the yoshis up into all their own poll options

there's also poochy, don't forget him. oh and the stork.

people need to vote for baby luigi in the poll too
 

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i would be happy to go through and pull out some highlights from the dk tv series so we can discuss adding them, if people wanna go that route. maybe decide we'll do X from there and vote?
 

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also re: canning the other games awards in favour of slot awards and such

im all for actually having three general Yoshi/Wario/DK slots if necessary, because none of the series in question have new games coming out this year. we could do Favourite Yoshi Level, Favourite DK Level, Favourite Wario Microgame and not worry about games at the moment since next year we'll have new stuff for all three series, presumably
 

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Miu Iruma said:
the one question that needs to be answered is: how do we do favorite yoshi character

yoshi has like... yoshi, the babies, kamek?

i like the principle of the idea but i wanna know how we'd balance it
that was a concern of mine as well when I was discussing it with 22, but we can just swap it out with another Yoshi-flavored award when it comes time; it doesn't have to be Character. In a similar vein, I like GBAToad's idea of plugging Favorite Wario Microgame into this slot.
 

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I am somewhat confused by the argument of "we don't need a Wario level award because Wario levels are already represented in fav. 2D level". If that's the case, couldn't we eliminate the need for a DK and Yoshi level award by cramming them into fav. 2D level as well? Consistency?
 

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To do 22's idea we'd have to vote on "removing/changing" M5 Favorite DK Game, M6 Favorite Wario Game, and M7 Favorite Yoshi Game, and then decide which cycle of awards to put in their positions, and if those awards are new then we'll need to decide on new nominees. So, for example, if we decide to go with Favorite Wario Microgame we we'll to figure out which microgames. This is something that can be thought of before the meeting to save us some time.

Additionally, if doing this generates a redundancy within the Favorite 2D/3D Level awards then we'll need to decide if those awards should be purified to just Mario games or to represent other splinter franchises within them in an all-or-none fashion.
 

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To be honest I am not sure I am entirely on board with a microgame award.

There are very tangible and real differences between Mario Party's minigames and Wario Ware's microgames, and two of these differences are substance and build-up. Most microgames are things like "put the finger in Wario's nose" or "shave this man's beard". They aren't meant to be examined and evaluated in-depth, they are designed to ambush you, be over before you can process them too deeply, and then to be gone from your mind because the next one is already in queue.

In Mario Party, you tend to develop a much stronger appreciation/absolute hatred for individual games by how the game dedicates its time and attention to the game chosen. You see the roulette cycle through the available games and loudly curse your fate because it stopped on Bumper Balls again, a miserable experience that lingers for several seconds as you stare at the highlighted name, and then persists for a minute or so while the actual game plays out. Then, after the inevitable two-player-stalemate has drained you of all joy and faith in humanity, the arduous process finally comes to a conclusion as the results screen pops up and you wrestle with your desire to punch everyone in the room in the face. On top of that is the fact that you can also feasibly sit down and play a specific individual game by itself.

In Wario Ware, the experience is very different. There isn't as much build-up to individual games. There's barely any, in fact. They just happen and then they're done. You will most likely not encounter a situation in which you think "I am going to sit down and play that one specific game where I have to undress Wario". You will think "I am going to play a sequence of 30 random games". Microgames are not meant to be looked at individually, they're too short for that. Their purpose is to form a sequence. As such, I think that an award meant to highlight them individually goes against the spirit of the game.
 

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Most of the time, when the average player sees microgames, they don't even know the name of them, that's how brief and quick they're meant to be. You see the name only when you pick them from their albums (Edo's post just essentially confirms that he doesn't know the microgame names either, calling the specific microgame "undressing Wario" rather than "Wario is HOT" or the microgame where you put the finger in Wario's nose "Digging for Gold").

I would argue that however, there are stand-out microgames besides being a package deal and being as quick and brief as possible. We all remember Digging for Gold because it's simply the type of minigame that exemplifies WarioWare's quirkiness (and hence why it appears in every title). And in actuality, you could play the microgames by themselves via the album mode to get rewards for scoring many points, and they all are endless have varying difficulty levels while they speed up. However, I have to agree that I don't think they're that award friendly, at least with Edo's overall argument.
 

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I feel like splitting the 2D Level award by Mario, Wario, and Yoshi could be a pretty good idea. After all, Wario and Yoshi tend to have their own gimmicks and styles, and it'd be easier to compare based on that. So I'd be down for subbing those in this year and overhauling 2D Level to be Just Mario

and adding DK, obv
 

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I made a list for convenience's sake.



M1. Best Sound Design
M2. Favorite Mario Kart Game
M3. Favorite Mario Platformer
M4. Favorite Mario Kart Course
M5. Favorite ___ Game formerly Favorite DK Game
M6. Favorite ___ Character formerly Favorite Wario Game
M7. Favorite ___ Level formerly Favorite Yoshi Game
M8. Favorite Art Style
M9. Favorite DLC
M10. Favorite Song formerly Favorite Partner Developer
M11. Favorite Major Character
M12. Favorite Supporting Character
M13. Favorite Level Theme
M14. Favorite Species
M15. Hardest Boss
M16. Favorite Item
M17. Favorite Mario RPG
M18. Favorite Mario Party Game
M19. Favorite Actor
M20. Favorite Sports Game
M21. Favorite Puzzle Game
M22. Favorite Battle Course
M23. ________ formerly Favorite DK Character
M24. ________ formerly Favorite Wario Character
M25. Favorite 2D Level
M26. Favorite 3D Level
M27. Favorite Boss Battle
M28. Favorite Game Setting
M29. Favorite Classic Game (GCN/GBA and older)
M30. Favorite Modern Game (Wii/DS and newer)



With the merging of the DK/Wario/Yoshi awards and the integration of the Favorite Song award (which has a solid list of nominees), this leaves us with two more open spaces. Spaces which we could use for costume and capture awards, if there aren't any strong contenders.

Current options for the two open slots seem to be:

[x]Best Minigame
[x]Favorite Costume
[x]Favorite Capture
 

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A thought I had: If we're doing this to mix things up, wouldn't it be better to start with just Favorite Levels for all three this year? Those would all be new awards, but if we keep either DK character or Wario character this year, and any of the three Game awards, we'll just get pretty much the same results we're removing them to avoid (since none of them have new released games this year).

Personally, I'd rather we make DK Level, Wario Level, and Yoshi Level this year, rotating out the Character and Game awards for now, and putting those back in during 2019.
 
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