Permanently ban FireEevee from all Awards events?

Anton

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FireEevee had a complete restriction placed on him this year (Ceremony, presentations, AC, hosting, tournaments, etc.) with the reasoning of "poor presentation quality, general temperament, consistent ban evasion with absolutely no show of regret or remorse" along with his general history of always causing some sort of trouble for the awards and pretty much in general. This ban was only for this year and if he dealt with it like a mature human being and didn't raise a fuss it would most likely be lifted by next year.

So the other day this happened:
01:00:23: <Packy> Anton{Politoed}
01:00:28: <Packy> I need your help if you're free please :X
01:00:46: <Anton{Politoed}> 4maybe
01:00:56: Packy bows to Anton
01:01:12: <Packy> I'm forever your minion afterwards
01:01:13: <Packy> @_@
01:01:27: <Anton{Politoed}> 4:eek:
01:01:57: <Packy> :d
01:01:58: <Packy> :D*
01:02:08: <Anton{Politoed}> 4what do you need halp with
01:02:29: <Packy> Well uhhh
01:02:34: <Packy> FireEevee queried me
01:02:39: <Packy> asking about the Pokemon tournament
01:02:52: <Packy> 19:40 Sylveon I HAVE POKEMON X 19:40 Sylveon CAN I JOIN 19:42 Packy I don't think so :C I think you are still banned from participating in awards stuff, last I heard :X You may have to talk to Anton 19:55 Sylveon I checked the awards logs 19:55 Sylveon I don't see any "ban" 19:56 Sylveon 'sides I didn't do anything bad
01:03:33: <Anton{Politoed}> 4if he wants logs here's the thing straight from my notes
01:03:34: <Anton{Politoed}> 4"Complete ban (Ceremony, presentations, AC, hosting) - FireEevee"
01:03:45: <Anton{Politoed}> 4as agreed upon by AC staff as a result of consistently bad behavior
01:03:56: <Anton{Politoed}> 4and poor quality and temper
01:04:08: <_2257> 7heheh, poor quality
01:04:16: <_2257> 7that makes him sound like a badly-made doll
01:04:24: <Anton{Politoed}> 4the presentation part is about quality, yes
01:04:32: <Anton{Politoed}> 4that's why other bans are:
01:04:33: <Anton{Politoed}> 4No presentations/AC/hosting - Lumastar, bluetoad
01:04:37: <Anton{Politoed}> 4No presentations - Freakworld
01:04:43: <Anton{Politoed}> 4Limited presentations (max 2) - NEX, Pyro
01:04:59: <Anton{Politoed}> 4they're not in public logs because I don't want to feature any public shaming
01:05:35: <Anton{Politoed}> 4from the feeling I got though when we talked about this it wasn't a permanent ban
01:05:40: <Anton{Politoed}> 4but it's more just a
01:05:50: <Anton{Politoed}> 4"you've been blocked from things before and given chances and things are still bad"
01:06:23: <Anton{Politoed}> 4if he wants to talk to me, he can
01:06:27: <Anton{Politoed}> 4and I can explain the same thing
01:06:37: <Anton{Politoed}> 4I can also dig deeper if need be but it shouldn't be necessary
01:08:40: <Packy> Ahh okay I understand
01:08:47: <Packy> What should I tell him exactly though?
01:09:04: <Anton{Politoed}> 4 20:02 Anton{Politoed} they're not in public logs because I don't want to feature any public shaming
01:09:11: <Anton{Politoed}> 4and that yes, he is banned, but it's not permanent
01:09:19: <Anton{Politoed}> 4and if he wants more info he can contact me or other AC staff
01:09:24: <Anton{Politoed}> 4i.e. smasher or blocky
01:10:08: <Anton{Politoed}> 4actually
01:10:10: <Anton{Politoed}> 4also say
01:10:17: <Anton{Politoed}> 4I need to talk with Smasher and Blocky about it
01:10:34: <Meowth> 12i still agree with the ban ftr
01:10:45: <Anton{Politoed}> 4oh nvm I found my initial wording
01:10:46: <Anton{Politoed}> 4"FE – All awards festivities (AC, ceremony, presentations, tournaments)"
01:10:50: <Anton{Politoed}> 4and tournaments are included
01:12:05: <Packy> Alrighty
01:12:11: <Packy> "They are not in awards logs because we did not want any public shaming; so you are banned, albeit it is not permanent; if you want you can talk to Anton, Blocky, or Smasher about it because they can probably offer more info than I can :P but that's what I know currently"
01:12:16: <Packy> That's what I just told him
01:12:26: <Anton{Politoed}> 4I like the :P
01:12:45: <Packy> The :p makes me seem innocent
01:12:45: <Packy> ヽ( ◕ヮ◕)ノ
01:12:55: <Packy> 20:10 Sylveon Eh I'll talk to either smasher or blocky
01:12:59: <Anton{Politoed}> 4lol !!!
01:13:05: <Anton{Politoed}> 4is he still afraid of me
01:13:21: <Meowth> 12lol he just pmd me
01:13:56: <Packy> 20:11 Sylveon I'll pass on anton
01:14:13: <Anton{Politoed}> 4if he wants the reasons it's because of poor presentation quality, general temperament, consistent ban evasion with absolutely no show of regret or remorse
01:14:32: <Anton{Politoed}> 4in addition to how he treated DF but that might be a personal blow that I don't feel is necessary to mention unless it comes to it
01:14:55: <Anton{Politoed}> 4plus his history of causing trouble
01:15:06: <Anton{Politoed}> 4it's not like the full ban of awards events is a first response
01:16:00: <Meowth> 12 Sylveon What I do to get unbanned
01:16:03: <Meowth> 12 Sylveon 'cause I didn't do any bannable stuff
01:16:12: <Packy> What did he do to DF? o.o
01:16:27: <Anton{Politoed}> 4be a piece of shit and take advantage of DF being unreasonably nice and self-loathing
01:16:33: <Meowth> 12i'll tell him why he's banned in a sec
01:16:40: <Anton{Politoed}> 4general transphobia
01:17:11: <Anton{Politoed}> 4he can get unbanned by not turning this all into a huge fuss
01:17:13: <Packy> wow what the fuck
01:17:18: <Anton{Politoed}> 4and stay on good behavior until next year
01:17:20: <Packy> i thought they were dating too?
01:17:22: <Anton{Politoed}> 4and then we'll see
01:17:23: <Packy> how are they even dating
01:17:32: <Anton{Politoed}> 4"were" is the proper term, yeah
01:17:35: <Anton{Politoed}> 4as far as I know
01:17:38: <Packy> ohhh
01:17:53: <Packy> FE called her "babe" like last week so I wasn't really sure
01:18:35: <Anton{Politoed}> 4I'm not sure either but I can only hope
01:21:00: <Meowth> 12"you're banned for poor presentation quality, general temperament, and consistent ban evasion" "if you don't make a fuss and stay on good behavior you could get unbanned next year"
01:21:07: <Meowth> 12is this what i tell him
01:21:43: <Anton{Politoed}> 4sure
01:22:03: <Anton{Politoed}> 4if he asks why it led to a complete ban, then bring up that it's because of his history of problems
01:22:48: <Meowth> 12 Sylveon Aw cm'on I didn't ban evade on purpose
01:22:56: <Anton{Politoed}> 4he did
01:22:58: <Meowth> 12it's a struggle to not laugh
01:23:09: <Anton{Politoed}> 4if he's going to argue it I can make efforts to make this permanent
01:23:15: <Meowth> 12 Sylveon general temperament I've improved on that
01:23:17: <Meowth> 12 Sylveon and my sprite comics are at least decent
01:23:19: <Meowth> 12 Sylveon sure if I'm a bit late but at least they ain't ms paint doodles of shit
01:23:52: <Anton{Politoed}> 4chloe sevigny is in this episode of svu, neat
01:24:02: <Anton{Politoed}> 4she should come back to ahs
01:24:09: <Turb> they're shit
01:24:29: <Turb> being a bit late isn't a joke when we repeatedly told him about the deadline politely and calmly
01:24:47: <Turb> "bit"
01:25:05: <Meowth> 12 Sylveon Those "ban evasions" were accidental
01:25:23: <Anton{Politoed}> 4those "ban evasions" weren't accidental because he sat in the channel for a while and had conversations
01:25:35: <Anton{Politoed}> 4so you can remind him again that if he makes a fuss that it will become permanent
01:25:37: <Meowth> 12i struggle to believe they're accidental when you changed your name and had conversations
01:26:24: <Turb> he fucking knew what he was doing
01:26:27: <Meowth> 12is that ok to say
01:26:28: <Anton{Politoed}> 4I do enjoy how delusional he is at least though
01:26:33: <Turb> he changed his name specifically to trick us
01:26:33: <Anton{Politoed}> 4and yes
01:26:44: <Turb> sorry
01:26:54: <Turb> its just hard for me to find this funny because im always furious at him
01:27:09: <Anton{Politoed}> 4it's funny in how pathetic the lies are
01:27:13: <Anton{Politoed}> 4who does he think he's lying to?
01:27:24: <Anton{Politoed}> 4smasher's the one who outed him as evading his ban
01:27:27: <Anton{Politoed}> 4so lol
01:27:33: <Turb> yeah
01:28:40: <Meowth> 12 Sylveon Well I can't control my ip changes
01:28:41: <Meowth> 12 Sylveon and I don't know why it changes either!
01:28:48: <Meowth> 12that's not a good excuse
01:29:01: <Meowth> 12and does not change what i just said
01:29:20: <Anton{Politoed}> 4remind him of how you said to not make a fuss
01:29:22: <Anton{Politoed}> 4he evaded his ban
01:29:24: <Anton{Politoed}> 4there's no arguing it
01:29:39: <Anton{Politoed}> 4he is certainly not helping his case at all with this
01:30:08: <Anton{Politoed}> 4lay into him smasher, that's why he doesn't like talking to me because I will
01:30:12: <Anton{Politoed}> 4kick his shit back into his ass
01:30:17: <Anton{Politoed}> 4I believe in you
01:30:40: <Meowth> 12and he died
01:30:47: <Meowth> 12it's too bad i have to go now
01:30:57: <Anton{Politoed}> 4a valiant effort
01:31:29: <Anton{Politoed}> 4do you have access to these logs in case they need to be brought up again
01:31:37: <Anton{Politoed}> 4or should I copy/paste them into my notes now
01:34:37: <Packy> fwiw
01:34:39: <Packy> he's back online
01:35:08: <Packy> him on #ultramariochat a few minutes ago
01:35:13: <Packy> after UM joked with him
01:35:14: <Packy> 20:27 Sylveon Don't yay on me 20:28 Sylveon I'm well... not ok atm
01:35:34: <Anton{Politoed}> 4CRAAAAAAAAWLING INNNNNNNNN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

21:16 Meowth Sylveon Honestly
21:16 Meowth Sylveon You guys are taking it too far
21:16 Meowth Sylveon sure I don't mind being banned from the presentation stuff
21:16 Meowth Sylveon but serious banning me from the tourneys too?
21:16 Meowth Sylveon that's really taking it too far
21:16 Meowth Sylveon Plus mwchat doesn't have to do much with the awards
21:16 Meowth Sylveon it's #mwikiawards that where most of the awards stuff happens
21:17 Anton{Politoed} THESE WOUUUUUUUUUUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEALLLLLLLLLLLLL
21:17 Meowth he said this when i was away
21:17 Anton{Politoed} well it sets a precedent for his behavior
21:17 Anton{Politoed} Martini can't do shit either because he's banned on the forum
21:17 _2257 cant you just tell him its not up for debate
21:17 Anton{Politoed} yeah that too
21:17 Anton{Politoed} and remind him that if he makes a fuss it'll be permanent
21:17 Anton{Politoed} so he can fuck off for this year with his shit attitude and then be back next year

Then this happened today:
17:59 Packy uhhhh
17:59 Packy FireEevee in #ultramariochat :
17:59 Packy 17:58 FireEevee Alright
17:59 Packy 17:58 FireEevee you know what
17:59 Packy 17:58 FireEevee fuck this shit
17:59 Packy 17:58 FireEevee I am going to play in the awards pokemon tourney
17:59 Packy 17:59 FireEevee and have a hell ton of fun in it!
18:00 Packy Superchao & Meowth
18:00 Superchao well packyy
18:00 Superchao you're in charge
18:00 _2257 a ton refers to a lesser mass in hell
18:00 Superchao tell him no
18:00 _2257 due to the fact that you're closer to the center of the earth
18:01 _2257 wait no
18:01 _2257 that would be a lesser weight, and therefore a greater mass
18:01 _2257 are tons defined in terms of force or mass
18:01 _2257 probably force
18:01 Packy he is effectively banned from all participation in awards, right?
18:01 Packy and i like 22's explanation
18:04 Packy I just told him
18:04 Packy 18:03 Packy I still can't let you participate in the tournament because you're still technically banned from whatever for awards participation
18:04 Packy 18:04 Packy It's nothing I can really do
18:04 Packy 18:04 FireEevee FUCK THIS BULLSHIT 18:04 FireEevee I'M GOING TO PLAY THE HELL OUTTA THE POKEMON TOURNEY 18:04 FireEevee AND NO BUTTHURT ANTON IS GONNA STOP ME 18:04 FireEevee HEAR THAT?
18:04 Packy he just queried me that
18:05 _2257 how does he think hes going to do that
18:05 _2257 hes shit at subtlety
18:05 _2257 every time he tries to sneak into something
18:05 _2257 everyone knows its him
18:05 _2257 right away
18:06 Packy 18:05 FireEevee Packy: CM'ON MAN
18:06 Packy 18:05 FireEevee YOU KNOW THAT BAN
18:06 Packy 18:05 FireEevee IS BULLSHIT
18:06 Packy 18:06 FireEevee I didn't really do anything ban worthy honestly
18:07 Packy 18:06 FireEevee I honestly don't know what you guys see in anton
18:07 _2257 this is amazing
18:07 _2257 its like he wants to have his ban indefintiely extended
18:08 Packy 18:07 FireEevee you all see a "glorious leader" or some bullshit
18:08 Packy 18:07 FireEevee I say he's a goon who can't let the past go
18:08 Packy 18:07 FireEevee He doesn't let the past go
18:08 Packy 18:07 FireEevee he's just an angry old man
18:08 _2257 is he saying all this shit without provocation
18:08 Gabumon is he drunk
18:09 _2257 he cant be drunk, hes fireeevee
18:09 Packy UltraMario is kind of arguing with him in UM's chat
18:09 Packy which for once in my life
18:09 _2257 he would blow up
18:09 Gabumon this sounds like the ramblings of a drunkard
18:09 Packy UltraMario is actually
18:09 Packy saying right things
18:10 _2257 things like "shut up dumbass, youre going to get yourself permabanned, is there a single functioning brain cell inside you"??
18:10 _2257 thats what i would be saying
18:10 Packy http://pastebin.com/HUiXwdMh
18:11 Packy also he's ranting in a query with me
18:11 Packy 18:07 Packy I don't know exactly how you figure you're going to do that because you're technically banned from awards and I will have to disallow you participating and stuff 18:07 Packy also
18:11 Packy 18:07 Packy The more you constantly show dislike about it the more it's going to reflect on you and the harder and more impossible it's going to become to ever get that ban relieved 18:08 FireEevee *sigh* 18:09 FireEevee still a shit ban thought

18:20 _2257 he was warned that his behavior this year would affect his right to participate in future awards ceremonies
18:20 _2257 and he did this
18:20 turb i think he's shown us enough
18:20 _2257 he's practically asking to be banned
18:20 _2257 all that said if this could snowball into a forum ban somehow i would be 1000% for it
18:23 _2257 do you think we should discuss it with the committee tonight
18:23 _2257 /will there be time
18:24 turb idk we'd probably have time at the end unless anton has something really important planned i forgot about
18:24 turb did he say whether he would be able to make this one on time
18:24 turb so we can go over it with him before it starts
18:24 nico man i bet antons gonna get a good kick out of those logs
18:24 _2257 im pretty sure hes gonna miss it
18:25 _2257 ask meowth though
18:25 _2257 he probably knows
18:29 Meowth well
18:29 Meowth so much for him not making a fuss
18:30 Meowth if he's going to be a whiny shit about it i don't have any objections to making the awards ban permanent
18:31 _2257 ok
18:31 _2257 do you know if anton will be back
18:32 Meowth i'm not sure if he'll be back during the meeting or not
(irrelevant stuff like mass quits/joins have been removed to save space)

Do note that this full ban is something that was pretty much decided last year and then enforced this year in complete agreement between me, Smasher, and Blocky, with full support from other AC members and moderation who were witness to this. I have no idea what this kid's problem with me is but it's kinda psychotic.

Packy might have more logs or things to say, but I think that this qualifies for breaking that "don't have a fuss" thing he was told about. I would like it if he were completely banned from all awards proceedings from here on out assuming all future AC Directors and Staff agree. This kind of behavior is nothing new and quite honestly it was totally expected to happen, but at least we gave it a shot. Is this something everyone in here can agree upon? If there's any comments, concerns, objections, confirmations, anything, please let me know here.
 

Mario4Ever

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I think he should be banned, since there has been no willingness on his part to improve, and not banning him would mean future staff probably having to do it anyway once something didn't go his way.
 

Turboo

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Per M4E. He was problematic back when I was running the awards too, better to just get rid of him now
 

Hilda Valentine Goneril

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honestly i think fe has had a handful of chances to redeem himself and it looks like he takes them all for granted, so i think this is fine conclusion to come to.
 

Red Barchetta

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I think I posted all the logs in those chat logs and in the pastebin in those chatlogs, so I don't think there's anything else.

Either way, although he'd be an extra body and stuff, I really don't want him in my Pokemon tournament because I really don't want him to reflect badly on it and me and this AC staff as a whole and the awards. The guy's had way too many opportunities to show improvement and he's just ruined those opportunities whenever they arise, and yesterday was really the final straw for me. I don't appreciate the belittling of a good friend of mine and an administrator in this position. It's horrible and I don't want that type of personality in these awards or any other awards ceremonies from here on out. So I am completely fine with banning him permanently.
 

2257

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i agree, of course

because wow
 

BEEEEEAAARRRS

how about a rousing game of pool
2257 you got it wrong, mass would stay the same, its your weight that would increase as you get closer to the center of the earth


but anyway how's he supposed to sneak into the tourney if Packy himself wont let him? Make a sockpuppet? What would be the fun in that if youre pretending to be someone else? If you tell people, Packy will find out and then you're banned again. Seems like a Catch 22 to me but maybe he doesn't have a problem with anonymity.

anyway I agree with what's said before because I can't really write anything out that sounds good
 

Armadimon

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BEEEEEAAARRRS said:
but anyway how's he supposed to sneak into the tourney if Packy himself wont let him? Make a sockpuppet? What would be the fun in that if youre pretending to be someone else? If you tell people, Packy will find out and then you're banned again. Seems like a Catch 22 to me but maybe he doesn't have a problem with anonymity.
I imagine the fun in that would be the satisfaction gained from successfully tricking people you're pissed off at, exerting your dominance and superiority over them. At least if it is done competently and thus actually works.

Bonus points if you actually brag about it afterwards and rub it in the faces of the guys who banned you. Which would be incredibly short-sighted and just get you put right back on the blacklist again, but I doubt someone like that has the foresight to realize this.
 

BEEEEEAAARRRS

how about a rousing game of pool
I suppose but its gonna be pretty damn obvious when someone new shows up just to join the pokemon tourney (and maybe others)

Doubt FE will realize though

I guess he also doesnt know we all read the logs lol
 

2257

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BEEEEEAAARRRS said:
2257 you got it wrong, mass would stay the same, its your weight that would increase as you get closer to the center of the earth
as a constant mass approaches the center of the earth its weight decreases, because at the center of the earth the planet's matter is roughly equally distributed in all directions and the net gravitational force it generates is therefore ~zero

a ton is a specific weight, so for something to remain one ton as it approaches the center of the earth, it needs to increase in mass

that's why a ton is a greater mass in hell

except that at some point they redefined the ton in terms of the kilogram, but i didn't know that
 

BEEEEEAAARRRS

how about a rousing game of pool
2257 said:
BEEEEEAAARRRS said:
2257 you got it wrong, mass would stay the same, its your weight that would increase as you get closer to the center of the earth
as a constant mass approaches the center of the earth its weight decreases, because at the center of the earth the planet's matter is roughly equally distributed in all directions and the net gravitational force it generates is therefore ~zero

a ton is a specific weight, so for something to remain one ton as it approaches the center of the earth, it needs to increase in mass

that's why a ton is a greater mass in hell

except that at some point they redefined the ton in terms of the kilogram, but i didn't know that
wouldnt that only apply to when youre in the actual center as opposed to getting closer and closer though

maybe my imagination is skewed because there'd still be assloads of pressure on you anyway
 

2257

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no, the gravitational force drops off gradually as you approach the center. when you've traveled any part of the way through the earth towards its center, the net force of gravity on you by the part of the planet's matter that you've already passed by is now upwards, while the part you have yet to pass by exerts a net force downwards. i made a diagram because i'm putting off studying right now:



as you get closer to the center of the earth, the red volume expands and its force gets stronger, while the blue volume contracts and its force gets weaker. as the two opposite forces approach equal strength, the net force of the whole planet, which is the overall strength of its gravity on you, approaches zero

i'm assuming hell has some way of reducing the pressure since dante was able to walk right through it without being in a submarine or anything
 
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