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Claude von Riegan

do you ever yearn for the soft touch of a pancake
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VLR Mafia
"Will you choose to ally? ...Or to betray?"

What is VLR Mafia?
Simply put, VLR Mafia (short for Virtue's Last Reward Mafia) is a small, closed set-up game with a recurring theme of 9 and a gimmick revolving around the Prisoner's Dilemma. Unlike WarioWare Mafia (which I'm still getting to, for those waiting), this isn't going to be role-centric. Most of you peeps will be vanillas. I'm looking for 9 sign-ups and no more. The reason why I chose to focus on VLR instead of the original game: 999, is because 999 doesn't feature the prisoner's dilemma, which is a gimmick I'd like to try and build a Mafia game around.

What is Virtue's Last Reward?
Virtue's Last Reward is the second installment of the Zero Escape series, a well-written visual novel that's worth taking a look at. Without going into too much detail, the story revolves around a group of 9 characters who've been kidnapped by an AI named Zero III and forced to play a sadistic game with their lives (called The Nonary Game: Ambidex Edition) in a remote facility. Each player is given a bracelet with a point value. In order to escape, they must have a total of 9. To gain or lose points, they participate in AB Games (a variation on the prisoner's dilemma) after exploring another area of the facility to discover where they are and why they were abducted. If their point total reaches 0, they are killed.

The game focuses a lot on trust and decisions, and it can be dark in places. Some of its themes and dialogue are also a bit mature. I'll tone it down and not focus too much on the plot for the sake of this Mafia, and there will be no quotes from the game's dialogue at all. Bear in mind, this Mafia game will have minor spoilers, though nothing that'll completely ruin VLR for those who haven't played it.

What is the prisoner's dilemma, and how will it be implemented in this Mafia?
The prisoner's dilemma is a well-known game theory. I'm just going to link you to the Wikipedia page for it and not try to feign intelligence, but here's a brief excerpt:

Two members of a criminal gang are arrested and imprisoned. Each prisoner is in solitary confinement with no means of speaking to or exchanging messages with the other. The police admit they don't have enough evidence to convict the pair on the principal charge. They plan to sentence both to a year in prison on a lesser charge. Simultaneously, the police offer each prisoner a Faustian bargain. Each prisoner is given the opportunity either to betray the other, by testifying that the other committed the crime, or to cooperate with the other by remaining silent. Here's how it goes:
If A and B both betray the other, each of them serves 2 years in prison
If A betrays B but B remains silent, A will be set free and B will serve 3 years in prison (and vice versa)
If A and B both remain silent, both of them will only serve 1 year in prison (on the lesser charge)
In any case, explaining it with a diagram is also helpful.

B remains silentB betrays
A remains silentBoth serve 1 year in prison.A serves 3 years in prison
B receives no sentence
A betraysB serves 3 years in prison
A receives no sentence
Both serve 2 years in prison.

In Virtue's Last Reward, the Prisoner's Dilemma is used to distribute points, but in VLR Mafia it will be used to affect night actions.

The game mechanics have been altered slightly since they were originally posted, hence the different appearance of this section.

The Prisoner's Dilemma (AB Games)

The game has three types of phases: Day, AB and Night.

During the Day, instead of nominating one person for lynch, players must nominate two different people to participate in an AB Game. The AB game is an adapted version of the prisoner's dilemma: each side is restricted from communicating and must decide whether they trust their opponent or not. If they do, they pick Ally, and if they don't, they pick Betray. VLR adds a little more depth to this decision by including point values which determine whether they escape or die, but VLR Mafia will not include these.

At the end of the day, the two players with the highest amount of nominations will be prohibited from communicating with each other in any form, and given a choice of either Ally or Betray. This is the AB phase. Players not participating in the AB Game can still freely bullshit within the thread, however there is to be no influencing the participant's decision, even with joke posts (e.g. Player A should choose Ally because my cop check was innocent, I'd choose betray because Sigma's a pervert, etc.). This phase will end after 24 hours (after which any indecisive parties will automatically Ally), or immediately if both nominees send their decisions in.

After the AB game, the game will progress to the Night phase, where players can send in night actions if they have any and all players can communicate freely. Participants will receive rewards/penalties depending on what they chose, as outlined by this table:

Player B chooses 'Ally'Player B chooses 'Betray'
Player A chooses 'Ally'Both are protected for the next phase and receive a one-shot power eachA is fatally wounded,
B is protected, and receives a one-shot power.
Player A chooses 'Betray'B is fatally wounded,
A is protected and receives a one-shot power.
Both players are roleblocked

POWERS:

Most players do not have powers. Powers are obtained by playing AB games.

If both players Ally, they can choose from one of these items, but they cannot be the same thing. After Allying, both participants are allowed to negotiate for a brief period: Silver File (Weak Cop Check)*, Sun/Moon Key Card (Public Speaker)*, Knife (Vigilante)*, Injection Gun + Vial (Doctor***) Pair System (Cupid**)

If one player allys while the other betrays, the person who betrayed can choose one of these items: Gold File (Cop Check*), Star Key Card (permanent Public Speaker*), Scalpel (Weak Vigilante*), Injection Gun + Vial (Doctor***), Luminol (Lie Detector), Handcuffs (Jailer) Pair System (Cupid**)

Players can only hold one item at a time. Each item is one-use only (except for the Star Key Card). The items that each player chose will no be made public, however, the outcome of the AB Game will be.

*A few notes on these items:
  • Weak Cop Checks (Silver Files) have a chance of failing and giving you useless information, Cop Checks (Gold Files) will always reveal information about the character you target.
  • Weak Vigilante (Scalpel) fatally wounds someone, Vigilante (Knife) kills them outright. These items are always used at night.
  • The only permanent item is the Star Key Card, which makes that person a public speaker until they choose a new item. The Sun/Moon key card only applies for one phase.

**The Cupid power in this game has a slightly different effect. Instead of becoming lovers, players targeted by the cupid power become partners for the next day phase. If one of them is nominated to play an AB game, the other will participate as a partner, meaning that they can communicate with only each other during the AB phase, and receive the same bonuses after the AB game is finished.

***The Injection Gun + Vial has a chance of failing depending on which role it is used on. To prevent this game from dragging on forever, there are only three vials that can be obtained from the AB Game, and after they're gone, anyone who chooses the Injection Gun as their prize will receive something else instead.

LOSING

Players who are fatally wounded will die at the end of the night phase if not healed by a doctor. These players are permanently dead and no longer count towards the total number of innocents/mafia. Opposing factions must be wiped out completely in order to win (Mafia must kill all innocents, innocents must kill all Mafia).


What is a Funyarinpa?

How could you not know what a Funyarinpa is... that's almost blasphemous.

Sign-ups

Anyone can sign up (you don't have to know what VLR is to play), but be warned that this game deviates from the standard Mafia formula quite a bit. This will not start until after WarioWare Mafia has concluded. we've got enough players again. after roles have been sent out and all players have confirmed! People in red have yet to confirm their role.
  • DragonFreak (Clunk)
    [*]BMB (Wally)
    [*]NEXandGBX (Steven Stone)
    [*]Lily x (Yuusuke Makishima)
    [*]Stargazing (Snowzomi Mistletoujou)
    [*]fantanoice (Chiaki Nanami)
    [*]Icemario (Tiz Arrior)
    [*]Freakworld
    [*]Chibiki Daisy (Patchouli Knowledge)

Replacements
  • Toad85 (Peter Sam)
  • NSY (Lucina)
  • Rocker64 (Kimberly Hart)
  • Yoshi K
 

John Doe

Ace Ice Cream Salesman...?
Re: Virtue's Last Reward (VLR) Mafia - Sign-ups

i was gonna say something about making a new mafia when your first hasn't even started, but then i got tangled up reading about this prisoners dilemma, and now i feel like i need to sign up
 

Claude von Riegan

do you ever yearn for the soft touch of a pancake
Core 'Shroom Staff
Re: Virtue's Last Reward (VLR) Mafia - Sign-ups

Anna said:
Whoa, slow down! Don't get too ahead of yourself.
Hotaru Tomoe said:
i was gonna say something about making a new mafia when your first hasn't even started, but then i got tangled up reading about this prisoners dilemma, and now i feel like i need to sign up
Sorry for being enthusiastic, I drafted this up a while ago and couldn't wait to post it. :p

WarioWare Mafia still takes all priority atm, and as soon as I get the last confirm (or we hit Thursday) that's when it'll begin.
 

Icemario

Star Spirit
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Easily the most complicated Mafia I've seen yet. I like it.
 

Smasher

Smasher
Forum Moderator
Chat Operator
Core 'Shroom Staff
Awards Committee
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eggs
 

NSY

Celestial Guide
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Anna said:
Glaceon said:
Easily the most complicated Mafia I've seen yet. I like it.
Someone hasn't played one of my games...
when is the next bmb game
 

Claude von Riegan

do you ever yearn for the soft touch of a pancake
Core 'Shroom Staff
Re: Virtue's Last Reward (VLR) Mafia - Replacements welcome!

Thanks to everyone who signed up! Sign-ups are now closed, but if you're still interested then feel free to sign up as a replacement.
 

Rocker64

~Massive Fangirl
Re: Virtue's Last Reward (VLR) Mafia - Replacements welcome!

>wasnt pre-signed up

wow i see how it is

i'll take replacement then
 

Claude von Riegan

do you ever yearn for the soft touch of a pancake
Core 'Shroom Staff
Re: Virtue's Last Reward (VLR) Mafia - Replacements welcome!

Kimberly Hart said:
>wasnt pre-signed up

wow i see how it is

i'll take replacement then
Goddammit Rocker, I keep forgetting. My apologies :(
 

Rocker64

~Massive Fangirl
Re: Virtue's Last Reward (VLR) Mafia - Replacements welcome!

Haha, its okay, it'll still be fun to watch.
 

Toad85

MarioKartRPG
Re: Virtue's Last Reward (VLR) Mafia - Replacements welcome!

also what the hell is a funyarinpa
 

Claude von Riegan

do you ever yearn for the soft touch of a pancake
Core 'Shroom Staff
Re: Virtue's Last Reward (VLR) Mafia - Replacements welcome!

Farkles14 said:
also what the hell is a funyarinpa
What do you mean, 'what the hell is a funyarinpa'? You mean, you don't know? How could you not know?!

Anna said:
...just going to place this bump right here....
oh lol thanks

Um... I'm not sure if I can start this game immediately because of school and stuff (and I still need to update the WWMafia lounge), but to those of you who've signed up, I'd like your opinion on something before I consider it.

I mentioned this in the OP, but I've devised two ways that this game can work. The first option is simpler.
The game relies solely on the PD with no points matrix, you can only send two people per day and nothing happens at night aside from using powers and nightkills.

The second option is more complex (and is closer to VLR in terms of mechanics).
Each player has a bracelet with a point value, a colour and a word (either PAIR or SOLO). Players with PAIR are linked, share a colour, and participate in AB games together (as one side, so they can communicate but must decide as a pair whether to ally or betray).

Since there is only one AB game taking place instead of 3 at once (like in VLR), any combination of SOLOs and PAIRS can be nominated, so there could be four people participating in one AB game.

In addition to powers, bracelet points (BP) will be added and subtracted based on the outcome. When you reach 0 points, you're killed.

With this setup, each night phase, the colours and pairs will randomise and players can vote on arrangements to visit rooms. The arrangements are determined by the colours on the watch, only a pair and solo group whose colours combine to make the colour of the door are allowed to go through it. With three colours, there are only two options.

Example:
Option 1 said:
SOLOPAIRDOOR
LilyFantanoice and Toad85Magenta
SmasherNSY and Epic NitwitCyan
BMBDragonFreak and IcemarioYellow
Option 2 said:
SOLOPAIRDOOR
LilyNSY and Epic NitwitYellow
SmasherDragonFreak and IcemarioMagenta
BMBFantanoice and Toad85Cyan
Each room has a puzzle, solving it will reveal something about the game and the players you were teamed up with.

Of course, if the second option is too pedantic then I can just select an option w/o votes or just include the bracelets w/o weird puzzle shit altogether.

SO would you rather have bracelets or not, and if I do include them, should I also include puzzles?
 

NEXandGBX

One Tough Cream Puff
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I'll be a replacement
 

Lily x

Goodbye
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I think bracelets would be a good idea
 
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