2012 'Shroom Director Election: Debate the Second

Hobbes

Star Spirit
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[2013-01-03 15:01:48] <Tucayo> Welcome to the second 'Shroom Director Election debate! Rules from the previous debate apply. If you have a question, please query it to either SMB or myself and we will ask them.
[2013-01-03 15:01:57] <Tucayo> Any doubts about the procedure?
[2013-01-03 15:02:49] <Gumballguy34> Not at all so far.
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[2013-01-03 15:03:12] <Tucayo> Good, then let's get started!
[2013-01-03 15:03:42] <Crocodile_Dippy> alright, how's this work
[2013-01-03 15:04:00] <Tucayo> You query your question to either SMB or myself and we add it to the queue
[2013-01-03 15:04:20] <SMB> You should query me or Tucky either with your question or just state that you have a question to us in query.
[2013-01-03 15:04:33] <Gumballguy34> I remember a debate on another wiki. It was interesting.
[2013-01-03 15:05:43] <Gumballguy34> Are we ready?
[2013-01-03 15:05:51] <Tucayo> Our first question comes from RandomYoshi, who asks:
[2013-01-03 15:06:00] <Tucayo> I have a question for you, Tucayo. You have proposed a possible Userpedia-'Shroom connection of the sorts. How are you going to implement this feature into the 'Shroom?
[2013-01-03 15:06:27] <Gumballguy34> Good question, good question.
[2013-01-03 15:07:27] <Tucayo> That connection is based on 2 main aspects. 1.- Our cooperation to give our respective Awards more coverage, and 2.- Us helping Userpedia's artists/writers/etc gain a wider audience for their work. Allow me to elaborate on both points
[2013-01-03 15:08:47] <Tucayo> For the first one, it would be a cross-wiki project where we at the Core Staff would approach Userpedia's sysops so we can together promote both the UP and Shroom Awards. This will be done by a Special Feature on The 'Shroom which will explain the categories and the nominees, in order to help users cast a more educated vote.
[2013-01-03 15:09:05] <Tucayo> Of course, further ways of promoting them may arise, and I'll be sure we do everything we can.
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[2013-01-03 15:10:08] <Tucayo> As for the second one, we can approach writers or artists and offer them to advertise their work. This is mainly just showing sneak-peeks or similar so our readers get to know our local artists and writers.
[2013-01-03 15:10:27] <Tucayo> Is that clear, Chiaki_Nanami, or do you have a follow-up question?
[2013-01-03 15:10:43] <Gumballguy34> That's good, that's good! Good statement.
[2013-01-03 15:10:45] <Chiaki_Nanami> I'm already liking this idea: if there was anything the Awards last year showed, it was that people just picked titles of fiction that had "cool names" and such — they did not actually know what the content of the fiction they were voting on actually was.
[2013-01-03 15:11:04] <Chiaki_Nanami> I have one follow-up question, yes.
[2013-01-03 15:11:10] <Gumballguy34> Okay.
[2013-01-03 15:11:36] <Chiaki_Nanami> How much space in The 'Shroom is this going to take up? Will this make an entirely new section, or will it nudge its way into Pipe Plaza?
[2013-01-03 15:12:21] <Gumballguy34> Good question. I'd liek to know as well.
[2013-01-03 15:12:27] <Gumballguy34> *like. (sorry)
[2013-01-03 15:12:41] <Gumballguy34> (typo)
[2013-01-03 15:12:52] <Chiaki_Nanami> It's okay, Gumballguy34, everyone makes those.
[2013-01-03 15:13:18] <Tucayo> Our Awards Coverage will most likely have its own section in the Main Team, where it will be seen the most.
[2013-01-03 15:13:47] <Gumballguy34> Hmm.....yeah. Good spot.
[2013-01-03 15:14:39] <Tucayo> I hope that answers your question : )
[2013-01-03 15:14:47] <Chiaki_Nanami> It certainly does!
[2013-01-03 15:14:58] <Tucayo> Good, thanks!
[2013-01-03 15:15:35] <Gumballguy34> I think this debate is going well so far!
[2013-01-03 15:15:49] <Chiaki_Nanami> SMB hasn't gotten a question yet, though. : /
[2013-01-03 15:16:05] <Tucayo> Don't worry, here's one for him : )
[2013-01-03 15:16:08] <SMB> I think I'm doing superbl- way to ruin the mood, Random Yoshi. ;_;
[2013-01-03 15:16:18] <SMB> : P
[2013-01-03 15:16:20] <Chiaki_Nanami> ;_; Sorry, SMB.
[2013-01-03 15:16:30] <Tucayo> Here's one question for SMB from our handsome Statistics Manager
[2013-01-03 15:16:46] <Tucayo> SMB, you mentioned in your latest proposal you want to create a Fiction Review section; however, we already have Wiki Fiction Reviews under Critic Corner, it's just that no one has ever written it. Why create a section that is the exact same as one we already have?
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[2013-01-03 15:18:58] <SMB> That must have been an oversight on my part (in terms of writing my campaign). I would like to promote this section throughout the community in the furthest extent possible, and ensuring that somebody signs up for it will be one goal for this year to ensure that we establish a stronger partnership with Userpedia and the community in general.
[2013-01-03 15:19:40] <Gumballguy34> I like it.
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[2013-01-03 15:21:37] <SMB> My latest proposal not only covers this one point, though, keep in mind- I want to promote the fiction reviews sections, I want to create a Userpedia news section, I want to team up with Userpedia and the Awards Committee to provide incentives for our writers to participate, I want to have a section that educates readers on the Awards,
[2013-01-03 15:22:18] <SMB> And I also want to implement that great idea you stated- advertising fiction in our publication.
[2013-01-03 15:22:44] <Crocodile_Dippy> man I was the first one to bring up an advertising space for the newsletter :(
[2013-01-03 15:22:55] <SMB> If we implement all of these, and I will if I am elected as Director, then we will build a strong relationship wth Userpedia and the community.
[2013-01-03 15:23:03] <[Pyro]> i am only here for the overwhelming amount of suspense and indecisive behavior flooding my insides
[2013-01-03 15:24:02] <Tucayo> How would you exactly promote the Wiki Fictions Review? It's been there for 6 months and no one has ever taken any interest in it.
[2013-01-03 15:24:25] <Crocodile_Dippy> Not true. Tabuu took interest. He just never, uhh... went anywhere with that interest.
[2013-01-03 15:24:28] <Gumballguy34> I have a follow-up statement, I think, SMB, that your argument and what you're going to do sounds splendid.
[2013-01-03 15:24:50] <Tucayo> I didn't know that, Dippy.
[2013-01-03 15:25:00] <Tucayo> Gumballguy34: If you have any questions, please query them to SMB or me
[2013-01-03 15:25:05] <Crocodile_Dippy> Technically, it'd be my job to ensure that section gets filled
[2013-01-03 15:25:19] <SMB> That is a great question, Tucayo. As I have stated in my campaign, I want to task the Activities Director with going out into the community to promote our interests.
[2013-01-03 15:26:01] <SMB> Crocodile Dippy, as Director of the team, perhaps has the highest calling to do this. I would work with him and the Activities Director to bring attention to this section.
[2013-01-03 15:27:00] <SMB> That is,
[2013-01-03 15:27:40] <SMB> I will work with the Director of the Critic Corner Team, the Activities Director, and the Userpedia staff to try to promote this section in order to gather attention for it. I am certain that by doing this, we can fill the position.
[2013-01-03 15:27:58] <Tucayo> Good, I like it.
[2013-01-03 15:30:01] <SMB> Alright, thanks. : )
[2013-01-03 15:30:09] <Crocodile_Dippy> question
[2013-01-03 15:30:22] <Tucayo> Ladies and gentlemen, CROCODILE_DIPPY!!!!
[2013-01-03 15:30:41] <Crocodile_Dippy> This is for both. With the recent addition of ‘Shroom Achievements, and the fact that more will be added over the months, whom do you intend to maintain these and the distribution of tokens? Yourselves, or will you allocate this position to one of the other core staff?
[2013-01-03 15:31:18] <Crocodile_Dippy> Ladies first, so go ahead, tucayo
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[2013-01-03 15:31:45] <Tucayo> Good thing I brought my skirt ; )
[2013-01-03 15:31:53] <naze[sick]> ëxcellent
[2013-01-03 15:32:30] <Tucayo> Should I win, I will manage it along with the Statistics Manager. But of course, we will discuss token stuff with everyone at the Core Staff so the process is as good as it can be.
[2013-01-03 15:33:30] <Gumballguy34> Good, good.
[2013-01-03 15:34:14] <Tucayo> In case the wording wasn't clear enough, managing the tokens will be mainly a task of the Director and Statistics Manager, but will be discussed by the entire Core Staff.
[2013-01-03 15:34:48] <Crocodile_Dippy> and now smb
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[2013-01-03 15:35:48] <Gumballguy34> *nods*
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[2013-01-03 15:36:27] <UglyTurtle> So what is the debate about?
[2013-01-03 15:36:39] <SMB> As The 'Shroom Achievements will likely involve the keeping of statistics and records, I will work with the Statistics Manager to ensure that the process is organized and as efficient as possible.
[2013-01-03 15:36:47] <Tucayo> Shroom Director Election :) http://www.mariowiki.com/The_%27Shroom:Issue_LXIX/Director_Election
[2013-01-03 15:36:52] <UglyTurtle> Ah
[2013-01-03 15:36:59] <UglyTurtle> Thanks
[2013-01-03 15:37:26] <SMB> The Core Staff as a whole will be involved in the discussions behind it, and there will likely be questions on the Feedback Survey so that we can gain some insight from the other readers and writers.
[2013-01-03 15:37:41] <UglyTurtle> Interesting
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[2013-01-03 15:38:12] <SMB> So overall, distribution will be carried out by myself and the Statistics Manager, but the Core Staff will be able to change the process if necessary, and the public will be able to give input.
[2013-01-03 15:38:43] <Crocodile_Dippy> OK, thanks to both of you. Now I have a follow-up question for both of you, if that's alright.
[2013-01-03 15:38:57] <Tucayo> It sure is.
[2013-01-03 15:39:05] <SMB> Absolutely, sure. :)
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[2013-01-03 15:40:06] <Crocodile_Dippy> You seem to be putting a lot of duties onto the Statistics Manager. Writer history, feedback survey, section of the month, emails, and now the subscription process and ‘Shroom achievements[...]
[2013-01-03 15:40:09] <Crocodile_Dippy> In fact, the Stats Manager of the current term, Tucayo, had to manage a few events/activities as well (albeit because our current Activities Director, Marioguy1, was extremely inactive in his duties). Do you think, perhaps, some of those duties should be allocated to a different position, whether existing or entirely new?
[2013-01-03 15:42:53] <Crocodile_Dippy> tucayo can go first, since I think he wants to
[2013-01-03 15:43:45] <Tucayo> You are absolutely right, Dippy. The Statistics Manager has a lot of duties as it is now, which is why I wouldn't add the subscription process duty to that. Also, I have always felt the creation of SOTM polls is not exactly meant for the Stats Manager, since he doesn't know which sections there are before the issue is released, and I would relocate that duty to the Director, as it was done...
[2013-01-03 15:43:45] <Tucayo> ...in the December issue.
[2013-01-03 15:45:26] <Crocodile_Dippy> Well, SMB next.
[2013-01-03 15:46:11] <SMB> If it is deemed that we are putting too many tasks into the Statistics Manager position, then I am flexible to reassigning these duties to other positions.
[2013-01-03 15:47:14] <SMB> One goood point is that there were two goals put behind the Activities Director position: (1.) to assist in guaging interest and activity in the paper, and (2.) planning activities and events in conjunction with our project.
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[2013-01-03 15:47:47] <SMB> Since the subscription service can be designed to guage activity, I am not opposed to delegating this duty to the Activites Director instead.
[2013-01-03 15:48:25] <SMB> In addition, I believe Section of the Month polls can either be managed by myself or the Sub-director, since both of us end up seeing all sections before the release of the issue.
[2013-01-03 15:49:44] <Gumballguy34> Sorry to interrupted, I'm making a signature for someone.
[2013-01-03 15:49:46] <SMB> The Activities Director this year will assist in the planning of all events and and activities.
[2013-01-03 15:49:59] <Gumballguy34> *interrupt
[2013-01-03 15:50:00] <SMB> It will not be like it has been this last year.
[2013-01-03 15:50:56] <SMB> Finally, it is completely within our interests not to overload any of our staff members. I will remain flexible in reassigning duties and am also willing to sit down and work with our staff and writers to ensure that they can carry out their duties successfully.
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[2013-01-03 15:52:21] <SMB> If it means I have to do a little more myself to make sure that things go smoothly, I would be happy to step in and help out.
[2013-01-03 15:53:15] <Crocodile_Dippy> sub-directors exist for a reason :)
[2013-01-03 15:53:25] <Gumballguy34> ^
[2013-01-03 15:54:17] <Crocodile_Dippy> well that's good at least, I was worried about Stats Manager being too overburdened
[2013-01-03 15:54:39] <Crocodile_Dippy> I do have another question, but I'll let some others get questions in before I hog the whole debate
[2013-01-03 15:55:14] <Tucayo> Has anyone else got any questions?
[2013-01-03 15:56:19] <UglyTurtle> Is there a link to the user rights of each position?
[2013-01-03 15:56:47] <Tucayo> http://www.mariowiki.com/Special:ListUsers/sysop
[2013-01-03 15:57:01] <Tucayo> Any questions related to the debate?
[2013-01-03 15:58:02] <YoshiKong> I missed most of the debate, but may you please put the logs up again sometime so I can read it? And good luck to you both.
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[2013-01-03 15:58:21] <Tucayo> Sure, they will be up as soon as we are done :)
[2013-01-03 15:58:26] <Tucayo> HI Stoob! : D
[2013-01-03 15:58:30] <Tucayo> And thanks : )
[2013-01-03 15:58:30] <SMB> Thank you, YoshiKong. : )
[2013-01-03 15:58:41] <SMB> And greetings, Stooben Rooben!
[2013-01-03 15:58:42] <Stooben> Hey, sorry I'm late xP
[2013-01-03 15:58:44] <Crocodile_Dippy> stooben the nooben
[2013-01-03 15:59:12] <Tucayo> Don't worry, we're just getting the mud ready
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[2013-01-03 16:00:37] <Crocodile_Dippy> stooben, you missed it. I revealed the big secret that I'm running for director as well! And you're going to be my right-hand man!
[2013-01-03 16:00:49] <Crocodile_Dippy> Whether you want to or not
[2013-01-03 16:01:06] <Stooben> i will hurl a mountain at you
 

Hobbes

Star Spirit
Core 'Shroom Staff
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[2013-01-03 16:01:14] <Gumballguy34> ...
[2013-01-03 16:01:16] <Crocodile_Dippy> I will snipe you from that mountain
[2013-01-03 16:01:44] <SMB> I have a question for Tucayo.
[2013-01-03 16:01:50] <Crocodile_Dippy> NO FUCK OFF
[2013-01-03 16:01:55] <Crocodile_Dippy> OR I'LL KILL YOU WITH A TRAY
[2013-01-03 16:02:06] <UglyTurtle> o.o
[2013-01-03 16:02:18] <Crocodile_Dippy> death by TRAY, it shall be
[2013-01-03 16:02:25] <SMB> ive noticed you always call yourself "handsome" why should we elect somebody so narcissistic!?!11one
[2013-01-03 16:03:28] <Crocodile_Dippy> to love others, you must first learn to love yourself
[2013-01-03 16:03:33] <Crocodile_Dippy> and throw away the tissues
[2013-01-03 16:04:14] <Tucayo> That's libel! I don't always call myself handsome, I also call myself incredibly sexy
[2013-01-03 16:04:19] <Gumballguy34> Is the debate still going on?
[2013-01-03 16:04:34] <Crocodile_Dippy> It is lol
[2013-01-03 16:04:49] <Crocodile_Dippy> Alright, if no one else has a question, I'll ask mine : p
[2013-01-03 16:04:51] <SMB> im sorry tucky are we cool now ;_;
[2013-01-03 16:04:59] * Smasher reveals a video of SMB secretly calling himself handsome in front of the mirror
[2013-01-03 16:05:18] <Tucayo> :)
[2013-01-03 16:05:21] <Tucayo> Ask away, DP
[2013-01-03 16:05:25] <SMB> :(
[2013-01-03 16:05:32] <SMB> And go ahead, Dippy. :P
[2013-01-03 16:06:07] <Crocodile_Dippy> Having worked on the staff this year, I know that many core staff members are supremely inactive and rarely, if ever, engage in staff discussion or participate in additional duties to help improve the newsletter. What do you both intend to do about such a dilemma should it arise in one or more of your staff members this term?
[2013-01-03 16:06:11] <Crocodile_Dippy> (for both)
[2013-01-03 16:06:15] <Crocodile_Dippy> (smb first)
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[2013-01-03 16:07:50] <SMB> thank you for the question, Dippy.
[2013-01-03 16:08:39] <SMB> One thing is that I would like to work further with Core Staff members just to make sure how they are doing, if they need any help with their team, or if there is anything I feel I need to ask them to improve on.
[2013-01-03 16:09:22] <SMB> The last thing I want to do to a Core Staff member is let them go, but if it becomes detrimental to our progress, then I will work with them to have somebody more active or interested involved in the team in their place.
[2013-01-03 16:09:31] <SMB> Not as anything personal, but simply for the sake of the paper.
[2013-01-03 16:10:30] <SMB> But before we take the steps to do that, I will do everything that I can just to make sure that our Core Staff can operate smoothly and without too many people transitioning from position to position and whatnot.
[2013-01-03 16:11:02] <SMB> This can involve trying to hold more meetings at times that can work to include more staff members, private messaging our Core Staff when we need input, and much more.
[2013-01-03 16:11:22] <SMB> I have done it several times, and it is usually enough to garner more attention to our staff discussions.
[2013-01-03 16:12:23] <Crocodile_Dippy> and tucayo's turn
[2013-01-03 16:12:30] <Tucayo> Yes, that was indeed a problem. First of all, should I win, before deciding on this year's Core Staff I will inform all members of the activity level I expect from them. It's not really much, just participating in our discussions, which shouldn't take too much time. Feedback from all members of the staff is very important, since not getting it hinders our progress. But yes, I do know this is...
[2013-01-03 16:12:30] <Tucayo> ...not a paid job and that users have RL stuff to deal with, so I will most definitely be lenient to a certain degree, but when a staff member is clearly active in other parts of the community and just not on our discussions, then I would definitely talk to them, trying to see if there's anything I could do to attract their interest.
[2013-01-03 16:13:16] <Tucayo> Firing someone should be a worst-case scenario, and I will only do it if the member is completely unable to carry out his duties.
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[2013-01-03 16:13:50] <Tucayo> But I do want an active Core Staff.
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[2013-01-03 16:14:30] <Nabber> Is this still going?
[2013-01-03 16:14:34] <NSM> not sure
[2013-01-03 16:14:35] <UglyTurtle> Yes
[2013-01-03 16:15:02] <Tucayo> It is, welcome
[2013-01-03 16:15:12] <SMB> Greetings, NSM and Nabber.
[2013-01-03 16:15:22] <NSM> Greetings!
[2013-01-03 16:15:38] <Tucayo> Do you have any follow-up questions, Dippy?
[2013-01-03 16:15:55] <Crocodile_Dippy> Actually, I do have a small one somewhat related to that.
[2013-01-03 16:16:04] <Crocodile_Dippy> Again, for both.
[2013-01-03 16:17:02] <Crocodile_Dippy> While we're talking about reliable staff, are you both going to choose your staff yourselves, or will you do what I did with the poll committee and allow people to apply for positions, and then deciding who'll be most reliable from there?
[2013-01-03 16:19:18] <SMB> Again, that is a great question, Dippy.
[2013-01-03 16:20:08] <Gumballguy34> May I refresh real quick?
[2013-01-03 16:20:16] <SMB> I have definitely considered doing something like that- from what I understand, it has helped improve the Poll Committee and has opened up the process more to those that are more interested.
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[2013-01-03 16:21:35] <Gumballguy34> Okay I'm back and ready to hear more of the debate.
[2013-01-03 16:21:57] <SMB> I feel that directly implementing it at this point, though, might be a bit "harsh" if you will. So I am considering carrying out a compromise option and asking some of our current Core Staff members to return in some fashion or another, and for other positions start considering applications for each one.
[2013-01-03 16:22:52] <SMB> That way we won't have to deal with certain rigid transitions and we could save time for certain teams and staff positions, but still open it up for other positions.
[2013-01-03 16:24:03] <Tucayo> I will choose the staff myself. I strongly believe staff members should be chosen based on their contributions to the newsletter and the community, as well as their overall behavior. Getting to the Core Staff should be a reward to hard-working users.
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[2013-01-03 16:26:21] <Crocodile_Dippy> thank you
[2013-01-03 16:26:53] <SMB> I would like to respond to Tucayo's point, if that is okay.
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[2013-01-03 16:28:01] <SMB> Simply put, I don't think an application process for this would narrow down our options. Rather, I would think that it could very well expand our options and can help us figure out certain people that are interested that we didn't think would be otherwise.
[2013-01-03 16:28:29] <SMB> I don't think that it makes our staff members any less qualified, and an example of this is the results that the Poll Committee has seen.
[2013-01-03 16:29:02] <SMB> From what I gather, the system has improved immensely and things are running smoothly for them.
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[2013-01-03 16:29:37] <SMB> If anything, if we implement some sort of application system, it will allow us to determine who has enough drive to help out and who might be interested.
[2013-01-03 16:30:22] <Crocodile_Dippy> admittedly, I did just have to replace one of our committee members recently
[2013-01-03 16:30:24] <SMB> If we have a ton of lukewarm applicants, though, and we feel that we might have somebody else more qualified, I feel that it is a possibility to still personally ask them if they are interested in the position.
[2013-01-03 16:30:38] <Crocodile_Dippy> but uhh he never seemed too interested to begin with :x
[2013-01-03 16:30:55] <Crocodile_Dippy> I only accepted him in because he was my opponent in that election
[2013-01-03 16:31:52] <SMB> Nonetheless, it still worked out in the general scope of things.
[2013-01-03 16:31:57] <Crocodile_Dippy> it has, yeah
[2013-01-03 16:33:03] <SMB> That said, I am open to this sort of system since it has proven to improve another community project.
[2013-01-03 16:33:54] <Tucayo> The Shroom is very different to the Poll Committee. We have hard-working writers who deserve promotions, we can't just have anyone promoted. Because that's what being in the Core Staff is, a promotion. And promotions come based off on merits in and out of The 'Shroom. It should feel special, it should make writers feel we appreciate what they do and trust them enough to be part of the Core Staff.
[2013-01-03 16:34:21] <Tucayo> And that feeling would be lost if we implement applications for the Core Staff.
[2013-01-03 16:35:05] <[Pyro]> Application process for 'Shroom staff positions? That's like a barely autoconfirmed user signing up to be a Sysop.
[2013-01-03 16:35:14] <[Pyro]> Sorry, I had to get that out of me.
[2013-01-03 16:35:22] <SMB> And obviously those applications can be rejected.
[2013-01-03 16:35:25] <Gumballguy34> I agree with Pyro.
[2013-01-03 16:35:44] <SMB> I think it is a fallacy to believe that we will just automatically accept the first person that walks in and submits an application.
[2013-01-03 16:35:45] <Tucayo> So do I.
[2013-01-03 16:35:54] <Tucayo> So do I agree with Pyro
[2013-01-03 16:36:06] <SMB> I don't know if Tucayo is suggesting he would that if he were to implement such a system, but I wouldn't.
[2013-01-03 16:36:25] <SMB> I would look at it like this: I don't mind people telling us that they are interested.
[2013-01-03 16:36:31] <Tucayo> I wouldn't implement such a system.
[2013-01-03 16:36:46] <Crocodile_Dippy> Sometimes, users that deserve promotions don't want promotions.
[2013-01-03 16:36:46] <SMB> I'm sorry Tucky, I'm still responding though. :P
[2013-01-03 16:36:56] <Crocodile_Dippy> You might find someone who we'd personally promote just wants to write.
[2013-01-03 16:37:16] <SMB> That said, per Dippy.
[2013-01-03 16:37:23] <SMB> I want to clarify one thing:
[2013-01-03 16:37:36] <SMB> I am not saying that we should /only/ jump to an application system.
[2013-01-03 16:38:09] <SMB> I want a broad system that will allow us to consider everybody that we can. In the end, if people end up feeling "bad" because they were considered from a larger pool of individuals, then we need to consider one thing.
[2013-01-03 16:38:13] <SMB> Which is more important?
[2013-01-03 16:38:25] <SMB> Happy "feelings," or the functionality of the paper?
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[2013-01-03 16:38:47] <SMB> I somehow doubt that implementing an application system in some form would actually stir up bad feelings,
[2013-01-03 16:39:33] <SMB> And I feel that all it does is move us in a direction that will allow us to consider more than /we/ would have originally.
[2013-01-03 16:40:34] <SMB> I feel my opponent missed when I said that we don't have to go strictly by the applications. But expanding the system to accept requests for the Core Staff position can help us by showing us who is interested.
[2013-01-03 16:40:43] <SMB> In the end, though, we definitely need to go for the most qualified.
[2013-01-03 16:41:06] <SMB> I agree with Tucayo on that. I just disagree with his negative view on implementing an application system of sorts.
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[2013-01-03 16:42:02] <SMB> It would not be as apocalyptic as he thinks it might be.
[2013-01-03 16:42:58] <Tucayo> [16:38] SMB Which is more important?
[2013-01-03 16:42:58] <Tucayo> [16:38] SMB Happy "feelings," or the functionality of the paper?
[2013-01-03 16:42:58] <Tucayo> Well, we have hand-picked the Core Staff for years and the paper is very functional. It has worked perfectly so far.
[2013-01-03 16:42:58] <Tucayo> I feel a mixed system wouldn't be a good thing. Imagine you have 10 under-qualified applicants for a certain position, and in the end you choose someone who didn't even apply. How would those 10 feel? They will feel we are nepotist tyrants.
[2013-01-03 16:43:35] <Tucayo> I think applications-only would work better, since it's consistent, but I still wouldn't enforce that. Not this year.
[2013-01-03 16:43:40] <Gumballguy34> Good statement.
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[2013-01-03 16:44:14] <SMB> The same can be said about the applications for sections, though. We end up going with the most qualified, and we have on at least two instances invited who we felt would be best for the position rather than going by an application.
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[2013-01-03 16:44:56] <Tucayo> But in that case both users applied.
[2013-01-03 16:45:07] <Tucayo> And most of the times we end up having both.
[2013-01-03 16:45:45] <SMB> Well, I'll leave it at this: I don't see what's wrong with people simply indicating they'd be up to taking the position.
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[2013-01-03 16:46:11] <SMB> If anything, it could make it better for us and them. If we already have somebody in mind, we should discuss that as a staff and make the best pick.
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[2013-01-03 16:46:43] <SMB> But I don't see what's wrong with allowing people to see if they have a shot at being considered. It would be like them saying, "hey, you can consider me if you want!"
[2013-01-03 16:48:45] <SMB> In any case, I am done responding to Tucayo and the question in general. I am open to considering some sort of application system, and I will be sure to discuss it with the rest of the Core Staff before we do anything.
[2013-01-03 16:50:09] <Gumballguy34> This had been a good debate.
[2013-01-03 16:50:14] <Gumballguy34> *has
[2013-01-03 16:50:17] <Crocodile_Dippy> does anyone else have questions
[2013-01-03 16:52:50] <Gumballguy34> Um....
[2013-01-03 16:52:56] <Gumballguy34> Let me think.
[2013-01-03 16:55:09] <Gumballguy34> No...not that I can think of.
[2013-01-03 16:57:02] <Crocodile_Dippy> alright then, CLOSING STATEMENTS, I SAY
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[2013-01-03 16:59:38] <Gumballguy34> Alright
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[2013-01-03 17:01:31] <Perch> oh hey
[2013-01-03 17:01:37] <Perch> is this happening eyt
[2013-01-03 17:01:47] <Nabber> Yeah, though it seems to have died down.
[2013-01-03 17:02:06] <Perch> o
[2013-01-03 17:02:12] <SMB> We are going to go ahead and post closing remarks.
[2013-01-03 17:02:18] <SMB> Tucayo is up first.
[2013-01-03 17:02:28] <Gumballguy34> Sounds good to me.
[2013-01-03 17:03:00] <Tucayo> I have said all I wanted to say. I love this paper more than anything in the SMW community, and I believe I have successfully proven that in the 4 and a half years I have been working for The 'Shroom. No writer has had a longer stint. No Core Staff member has held as many positions as I have. No other member of this community loves The 'Shroom as much as I do. I have been through the ups and...
[2013-01-03 17:03:00] <Tucayo> ...downs of the newsletter, and I believe I have done it successfully. So please, vote for me. But, no matter who wins, SMB or me, I know one thing for sure: The 'Shroom will win big; and that's enough for me.
[2013-01-03 17:03:14] <Tucayo> Thank you.
[2013-01-03 17:03:32] <Gumballguy34> Very good!
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[2013-01-03 17:08:24] <SMB> I would like to thank everybody for attending this debate, and would like to thank my opponent and close friend Tucayo for participating in it with me. I care deeply for The 'Shroom and have worked to improve it ever since I started back in August 2009. I have presided over The 'Shroom as Director for the past two years, and feel that I have the experience and the ideas to keep it running for another one.
[2013-01-03 17:08:27] <SMB> I will suggest that a vote for SMB is a vote for continued success and prosperity for The 'Shroom. So I ask that you allow me the honor of making sure that our publication is one of great quality for the next year.
[2013-01-03 17:08:38] <Perch> but what is a vote for tucky
[2013-01-03 17:08:49] <naze[sick]> one last question
[2013-01-03 17:08:54] <naze[sick]> are we allowed to vote twice?
[2013-01-03 17:09:00] <SMB> I wish my opponent the best of luck in all of this.
[2013-01-03 17:09:11] <naze[sick]> how many candidates are there
[2013-01-03 17:09:14] <Crocodile_Dippy> two
[2013-01-03 17:09:14] <naze[sick]> what year are they running for
[2013-01-03 17:09:15] <Tucayo> Thank you, I wish you the same :)
[2013-01-03 17:09:18] <Tucayo> 2013
[2013-01-03 17:09:23] <naze[sick]> is one of them named tucky or smb?
[2013-01-03 17:09:41] <Nabber> no
[2013-01-03 17:09:41] <naze[sick]> i withdraw my last question
[2013-01-03 17:11:56] <Tucayo> And with that we conclude today's debate!
[2013-01-03 17:12:05] <Tucayo> Thanks you everyone for attending!! I'll go post the logs
 
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