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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2019, 04:33:44 PM »
Paper Mario is a separate character only in M&LPJ.
And even in that, he's the same guy.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2019, 07:50:52 PM »
But he's not, he's clearly a separate entity that happens to resemble Mario and be named Mario.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2019, 08:02:29 PM »
But he's not, he's clearly a separate entity that happens to resemble Mario and be named Mario.
It is a clear and established fact that Paper Mario is the Mario from the PM series.

Either that or PiT Baby Mario qualifies as a different character.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2019, 08:17:28 PM »
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I don't think so...

The Baby Mario in M&LPiT had more references to him being the same one from SMW2YI, you even went to Yoshi's Island!

The Paper Mario from M&LPJ has no references to the other Paper Mario games whatsoever, and is implied to be a separate character from Mario

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2019, 09:28:19 PM »
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I don't think so...

The Baby Mario in M&LPiT had more references to him being the same one from SMW2YI, you even went to Yoshi's Island!

The Paper Mario from M&LPJ has no references to the other Paper Mario games whatsoever, and is implied to be a separate character from Mario
Uh, no.  Feast your eyes on Paper Jam's eShop description:

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Characters from the Paper Mario universe including Paper Mario, Princess Peach, Bowser and Toad jump out of a book and into the world of Mario & Luigi...

Besides, in-game, they were never implied in the slightest to be different.  If anything, it implied that they were the same.  And the eShop description outright states it.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2019, 09:32:32 PM »
Is the eshop description canon?

And they could just mean the Paper Mario universe in M&LPJ, not the one from the other Paper Mario games

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2019, 09:41:57 PM »
Is the eshop description canon?

And they could just mean the Paper Mario universe in M&LPJ, not the one from the other Paper Mario games
It's official material, so yes.  That's the only idea of canon that Mario has.

That's stretching the meaning of the sentence to the extent that it's far easier to believe it means what it says.  You seem rather desperate to keep the Paper Mario universe from being separate from the Mario universe, even though it canonically is.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2019, 10:17:11 PM »
Because up until M&LPJ, they were the same universe and there was no reason to assume they were different. The only game where there is a discrepancy is still M&LPJ, so why would that apply to the other games? Paper Mario is just a stylistic choice, not literally a paper pocket dimension in the other games.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2019, 11:05:56 PM »
Because up until M&LPJ, they were the same universe and there was no reason to assume they were different. The only game where there is a discrepancy is still M&LPJ, so why would that apply to the other games? Paper Mario is just a stylistic choice, not literally a paper pocket dimension in the other games.
The Paper Mario characters are self-aware that they are paper, and many mechanics in the games rely on the universe being paper.  Especially the latest three.  I daresay that they've been trying to separate the Paper Mario universe from the main one since SPM. 

I for one like the universes being split.  Let the Paper Mario universe be its own thing.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2019, 11:36:10 PM »
Well, I don't like the universes split, and we can agree to disagree

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2019, 11:38:27 PM »
Well, I don't like the universes split, and we can agree to disagree
To each their own.  But tbh, this thread is getting a little derailed.  Let's get back on topic.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2019, 11:50:53 PM »
I still think the main idea of the thread is great, it could really help develop Mario's overall character in ways that couldn't happen with the other characters present.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2019, 12:20:40 AM »
It is a clear and established fact that Paper Mario is the Mario from the PM series.

Either that or PiT Baby Mario qualifies as a different character.
It is neither clear nor established.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2019, 12:22:17 AM »
i think Baby Luigi is a completely different character with his own quirks and stuff from Luigi but he's still the same person...if you sorta get what i'm saying
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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2019, 12:25:33 AM »
It is a clear and established fact that Paper Mario is the Mario from the PM series.

Either that or PiT Baby Mario qualifies as a different character.
It is neither clear nor established.
Elaborate.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #55 on: May 14, 2019, 12:30:05 AM »
Mario has no Canon and since it's only one game (hence it's not established); the eShop description, if you contextualize it, has to describe Paper characters as a different entity to differentiate from the flesh and blood characters. It wouldn't make any sense either way. I mean, it's ultimately up to interpretation whenever you think that Paper Mario is Mario or Paper Mario is Paper Mario and everything in the Paper universe is separate from everything else, and I wouldn't rely on marketing words as authority for Mario world building.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #56 on: May 14, 2019, 12:44:25 AM »
Mario has no Canon
This just isn't true.  There most certainly is canon in Mario.  Many different canons, perhaps, but to say that there's absolutely no continuity between games is just wrong.  The games reference the events of others all the time.  It's just wrong to say that there's no continuity in Mario.

In Paper Jam's case, it's all on the intent of the developers.  Tell me, do you really think that the paper characters in Paper Jam were intended to just be paper look-alikes of the real thing?  No!  They're clearly intended to be the same characters as the ones in the Paper Mario games.  Developer intent is at the core of any continuity.  Any arguments about continuity that try to undermine obvious developer intent are just stupid.  Doing so for the purposes of personal headcanon is fine, but it contradicts official canon--yes, I said it--and shouldn't be treated as fact.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #57 on: May 14, 2019, 12:57:04 AM »
Dude, this is obviously up to personal interpretation, as it is confirmed nowhere that either is true, so just drop it

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« Reply #58 on: May 14, 2019, 01:11:05 AM »
Dude, this is obviously up to personal interpretation, as it is confirmed nowhere that either is true, so just drop it
What are you talking about?  It is very much implied in-game and is outright stated in marketing material.  It has certainly been confirmed officially.  If you don't want to accept it, that's fine--I myself strongly disagree with the SMB3 stageplay thing despite it being official canon--but it's official canon, and only official canon can change that.

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Re: A Mario game without the other 5 main characters and Koopa Troop?
« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2019, 01:15:43 AM »
It's not official canon, it's an interpretation that you for some reason believe is canon. The marketing details you use are just the eshop, which 1. can just be referring to the fact that the characters are paper and 2. could be unreliable anyways due to translation differences and such

It is implied nowhere in game because they never reference the other Paper Mario games at all