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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2018, 07:11:35 PM »
Dimentio

Type of Character: Newcomer
Franchise: Mario

My Level of Want

Dimentio's an alright villain from what is probably the most divisive Paper Mario game. I personally find Super Paper Mario to be a perfectly alright game that just doesn't hold a candle to the first two games. But I suppose some may take more kindly to it after the way the franchise has gone in the past two games. However in terms of Dimentio for Smash, I don't even think he'd be the antagonist chosen if for some reason they decided of all things to let a Super Paper Mario villain be playable in the game.

Estimated Chance

Probably even lower then Fawful at this rate. And like I mentioned he likely wouldn't be the first choice from his own game not counting the Paper iterations of the Mario characters, even if Dimentio is kinda the true big bad of Super Paper Mario, Count Bleck would have more priority. But realistically, the answer is still generally that it's Paper Mario or bust for reps from Mario RPGs (With a small possibility of Geno now too)


Doomguy

Type of Character: 3rd Party Newcomer
Franchise: Doom

My Level of Want

It'd be interesting for sure. He may be from a more mature rated franchise but when we've had Solid Snake and Bayonetta get into Smash. Doomguy really isn't that far off. He's one of the most iconic characters for basically jumpstarting the first person shooter genre of games. Many famous franchises that rake in millions of dollars these days owe alot to Doomguy. Halo, Call of Duty, and many others might of never came into existence without Doom being the hit that it was. And hey the latest Doom did get on Switch. Surprising quite a bit of people when it was announced. Given Nintendo's kiddy reputation.

Estimated Chance

With the door wide open to many more 3rd parties then ever before. I wouldn't say he's out of the question. I don't think he's particularly likely as I still think more cartoony 3rd parties have an upper-hand. But among the smorgasbord of surprising but possible 3rd party characters, he could be among them.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2018, 07:17:56 PM »
I honestly think if square was gonna get another rep they'd pick sora (there were rumors that kingdom hearts 3 would be on the switch)
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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2018, 02:59:30 AM »
Can’t wait for the Kingdom Hearts movie then.


How likely do you think Mike (Startropics) is?

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2018, 11:44:37 AM »
Mike

Type of Character: Newcomer
Franchise: StarTropics

My Level of Want

Had hardly any idea before I looked him up for this. From what I can quickly gather StarTropics is a rather obscure game that was praised for being a bit of an evolution of the style of gameplay the original Zelda introduced. Also interesting to note that now i know Ness wasn't the first Nintendo game protagonist to wield a bat into Battle. If Mike found his way to Smash that's something that could give him a connection to a longtime veteran of the games.

Estimated Chance

Well obviously Mike has other retro characters to compete with. But I think there's one other problem that might hurt Mike's chances more then anything: He's one of the few Nintendo franchises that while developed by Japanese developers that lived in the US. Neither of the two games ever officially released in Japan. And it's unfortunate, but literally 99% of all characters to be playable in Smash was made by Japanese-based creators AND released in Japan. The only character playable in Smash that wasn't created in Japan was Diddy Kong. Hell, the 2nd StarTropics game was exclusive to North America at least until Virtual Console got it to Europe on the Wii. If Mike gets in Smash you'll have a lot of confused Japanese fans. Sure, that's never stopped them from adding characters obscure to anyone outside of Japan in Smash. But when most of the developers of Smash are based in Japan there's going to be a bit of a bias towards that side of the world. There's plenty of retro obscure characters that would be more recognizable to the Japanese public and that Sakurai may have interest in adding. Unless a Smash Bros. game is ever created in America, Mike's going to have a difficult time finding his way in.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2018, 07:52:16 PM »
Pardon the double post. But I thought of doing a bit of a bonus thing for all the previous characters I gave out thoughts about their chances. And that is should they get in, whether they're more likely to be in the main game or as post-release DLC further down the line. There are 3 categories in this and I have put all the characters even if I said they were completely unlikely in the groups. This is a speculation where I guess they would be added if by chance they did make it.

1st: Main Game
This of course meaning they'd most likely be in the game as soon as it releases. Remember that most characters that we see at release are decided ahead of time. So these characters generally have to have been relevant at the time development began (Most likely around 2016) or they are characters Sakurai might personally pick, or mandated by Nintendo in some fashion. This also comes at a danger, because in all likelihood a good majority of these characters are likely never coming to Smash switch if they aren't here in the main game. Because this category is full of characters who were either considered some of the top characters in the ballot, 1st party characters that Nintendo feels need promotion, obscure characters that Sakurai personally picks and/or not popular enough of a request to justify making people pay to add them to the roster. While some of these could still end up being DLC. These characters are just in my personal opinion are more likely to be seen in the main game should they make it rather then later down the road. In other words, the clock is ticking for a majority of these characters

2nd: Either/Or
These characters have a slight possibility of being in the Main game. But could also just as easily be DLC later on. Most likely this would be 3rd party characters that were relevant at the time development began and it just depends when they negotiated the rights to use the character. But they could also be fresh new 1st Party characters that were on the rise at the time or not long before the game started development. Supporters of these characters will have been holding their breaths and crossing their fingers since this game was announced and still will be until either they jump in joy because their character made it or look down in sadness as the final drop of DLC for Smash Switch drips down. Any veterans that didn't make the cut for Smash 4 also are a prime candidate for this section. For the exception of a certain duo known for climbing ice.

3rd: DLC
These characters are pretty much only possible in DLC. Because there is no way they were considered for the main game either because either they had no games ported to Nintendo systems at the time and/or weren't relevant at the time development started, The sheer unlikeliness of the character makes them only a miracle DLC run could push them in, or they're a character like Corrin that Nintendo may want to mandate and make you pay for them for one reason or another. Maybe even something like Cloud in that they were hardly ever on Nintendo games before or at the very least not in a very long time.

With that out of the way. With all the previous characters I was asked to rate chances for. They will now be split into the groups mentioned

Main Game

   •   Takamaru (Only happens if Sakurai just says "Screw it, I want Takamaru now!")
   •   Spring Man (Nintendo Mandate and/or Sakurai wants a long-ranged brawler)
   •   King K. Rool (Was considered the top choice in the ballot almost everywhere. Has to absolutely be in the main game)
   •   Waluigi (As popular Waluigi can be, I think if he's not playable in the Main game. He's probably an Assist Trophy. Again)
   •   Chorus Kids/Misc. Rhythm Heaven rep (A heavy consideration during the Smash 4 period should mean great likeihood for this game. If not, they will only stay a consideration and nothing else)
   •   Dixie Kong (A choice that would be good to pad out the newcomer pool some more and some promotion for the port of Tropical Freeze)
   •   Daisy (As I said, she's in the same position Waluigi is in currently. Only if she doesn't get in the main game. Then Peach just gets to wear her clothes. Again)
   •   Issac (A character that missed their chance in the Brawl days, then gets removed as an Assist Trophy from the next game can only really get in if Sakurai has an epiphany that he completely forgot about Issac and promotes him to playable this time around. I unfortunately don't think he has nearly the popularity power to get in as DLC)
   •   Stunt Racer (A crazy idea like this could come from that WTF choice that seems to happen in every new Smash game)
   •   Paper Mario (As popular as the Mario RPG's are, they are a bit on the niche side of things by now and for casual viewers a 3rd Mario being offered up as DLC may feel desperate)
   •   Impa (Until Sakurai thinks there are other characters worthy of inclusion from the Zelda series asides from some form of Link, Zelda, and Ganon. Impa's going to have a difficult time, much less chosen as DLC)
   •   Mike (Startropics) (A choice that would cause all of Japan to go "Who?" could only be a random inclusion. I suppose it would be fair if for once Japan was the country getting the WTF character treatment)
   •   Fawful (See Paper Mario. Only even less of a chance even if he is an original character)
   •   Balloon Fighter (A retro newcomer choice only Sakurai would go with. Villager most likely killed him, buried him, and then took his balloon helmet and balloons though)
   •   Ashley (See Waluigi)
   •   Dimentio (See Paper Mario and Fawful. Only even less of a chance then Fawful)

Either/Or
   •   Wonder Red (Wonderful 101 port might not even be out by the time Smash arrives. I think any contact with PlatinumGames would only concern negotiating all over again for Bayonetta only. But should Sakurai nudge them for another. Just maybe)
   •   Bomberman (Who knows what kind of *bleep* Konami would put Nintendo through before they finally agree to add Bomberman. With how *bleep*ty Konami has been, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo does ask Konami for the rights to Bomberman. But they say no and actually maintain that position)
   •   Rayman (Could easily be the premiere 3rd Party used to help promote the game. But there is a chance Ubisoft makes Nintendo wait until they see if the Switch is a success first. We know they quickly abandoned ship as soon as the Wii U started performing below expectations)
   •   Shovel Knight (Was possibly a top contender in the ballot. Not sure if it'd be enough to make him main game material. I think DLC would be a better fit. Maybe even a compromise for those who don't want indie characters in Smash. Don't want them? Don't buy them!)

DLC
   •   Celica (Who would of thought two of the DLC characters for Smash 4 were going to be from Fire Emblem. Might as well have another possibly mandated one. Though Celica might at least be more popular then Corrin for having more history)
   •   Sora (The process of going to both Square and Disney about this would likely be hell. It really could only happen through DLC if it at any chance it does)
   •   Crash Bandicoot (At the time Smash Switch began development. N. Sane Trilogy was not released yet. Possibly even not known about yet. There is no way they negotiated the rights for Crash for Smash while the game was still PS4 exclusive. Crash would definitely be something needed to be saved for after that exclusive contract expired)
   •   Doomguy (Doom's port to the Switch just came this year. Doomguy would likely be a Cloud-like announcement in regards to the surprise 3rd Party DLC choice)
   •   Sans (Hell would have to freeze over for this to happen, but absolutely no way they talked to Toby about Smash back in 2016 when it wasn't quite yet "Best game ever" status. It'd have to be later. And again it'd be the player character, not Sans)
   •   Amaterasu (Okami port just came this year. That port would have to inspire a huge following to get in as DLC)
   •   Dovahkiin (No way this happens at all, but Skyrim Switch would have be super popular for it to happen. Given the game is more popular when mods are added and that's not currently possible with the Switch. No way Dovahkiin gets the push needed)


Also any future merit rates of characters from now on will include a 3rd underline section determining if they would be more likely to be in the main game, chance of either, or DLC

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2018, 07:58:13 PM »
How about Rex, and what are the chances of him replacing Shulk?

And I know this is a very common question, but what are Ridley's chances?

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2018, 08:12:19 PM »
Probably not a very likely character, but how about Chibi-Robo?
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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2018, 08:28:24 PM »
What are your thoughts on Toad and/or Captain Toad?

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2018, 10:42:28 PM »
Some corrections.

And because it hasn't got the Splatoon following I'm not exactly sure if there's that good of a chance Spring Man makes it.
Just because it wasn't as popular as Splatoon doesn't mean it was a failure. It actually did pretty well and has a loyal following. Especially in Japan. In fact it did better than the Pikmin games, and that has a character.

I also can’t tell if Wonder Red would count as 3rd Party or not, since Nintendo actually published the game with Platinum games.
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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2018, 11:31:27 PM »
This one is more of a joke but I'm still interested in hearing your thoughts on Monokuma

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2018, 01:16:53 AM »
How about Rex, and what are the chances of him replacing Shulk?

And I know this is a very common question, but what are Ridley's chances?

Before I cover Rex. Replace Shulk? I actually fully expect Shulk to return and quite possibly Rex joins him with the success of the Xenoblade franchise. Even if only one of them can be playable, I feel Shulk has priority.




Rex


Type of Character: Newcomer
Franchise: Xenoblade

My Level of Want

My only experience with the Xenoblade is seeing all the cutscenes plus Chuggaa's let's play of Xenoblade Chronicles. I did try to rent the game for a little bit or two. But I learned quickly why these type of RPGs aren't my thing. I kept getting by a curb stomped by an early enemy. I don't much about X or the 2nd one. But hey it sounds like Xenoblade has turned into a successful franchise picked up by Nintendo. It used to be a Sony exclusive franchise back when it was called Xenogears until Nintendo bought Monolith Soft from Namco in 2007. So it naturally isn't a franchise that screams Nintendo. But it's good that this franchise that started out pretty niche (Xenoblade Chronicles was a gamestop exclusive and especially hard to find until it go on as a downloadable on the Wii U virtual console as well as a port the New 3DS) has spread amongst to many.

But anyway on Rex, I don't know too much about him. But I think I would be perfectly fine with Xenoblade getting two reps. Even if that would just add more anger about the "anime swordsman" complaint.

Estimated Chance

Like I mentioned in the reply already, there's a decent chance Xenoblade could get 2 reps. And if that happens obviously Rex is going to be that one. If there's room for only one, I think Shulk stays however.

Main Game or DLC?

Either/Or. I could easily see Rex join the newcomer pool as soon as the game released but may be a slight possibility for DLC. If I were to lean one way or the other, I would say Main game is more likely. I can't exactly wage Rex's popularity and if there's any huge Xenoblade fans who could enlighten me on what the general consensus on Rex is. I would appreciate it to better understand where he stands.


Ridley

Type of Character: Newcomer
Franchise: Metroid

My Level of Want

Here we go again, Metroid fans. Be prepared for yet another wall of memes about Ridley's size and potentially more Sakurai trolling. Once again Ridley will be the #1 most wanted Metroid newcomer for sure, but after missing out twice after being considered in the Top 5 most wanted has to hurt. Will the Smash team find a way to get Ridley working as a playable character? I don't know, but all I know is I hope it certainly happens just to finally lay the Too big memes to rest.

Estimated Chance

I think this is the time where we have to be cautiously optimistic about Ridley. Metroid is on the rise again with Prime 4 coming soon. I think it's hard to say if chances have improved. I might actually say slightly decreased. But I still think at the very least by now Sakurai has been hearing about Ridley for a long while now and perhaps may finally relent this time. I'd try not go get hopes too high but Ridley's might just be a distinct possibility if they have finally found a way to work him in as playable

Main Game or DLC?

Main Game. If Ridley's going to finally make it in after so long, I feel like they have to have him right from the get go. Maybe there's a chance they save him for DLC if say they need to time to think over just how to get a character that will obviously be the biggest in size in the Roster to work out. But finally getting Ridley in would make a good selling point given how much Ridley gets supported in Smash speculation.


Chibi-Robo

Type of Character: Newcomer
Franchise: Chibi-Robo

My Level of Want

Chibi-Robo would be a prime candidate for an under-the-radar more obscure character getting in. I don't really know that much about the series. But seems like the strange kind of character that would fit the new WTF character.

Estimated Chance

I think it just depends how Sakurai wants Chibi-Robo in now. Though I think the series isn't doing quite well enough to be a big consideration for Smash. The latest game was in 2015. But last I heard wasn't recieved as well as some of the previous games. And I thought I heard somewhere that Nintendo was banking on that game to revive that series. But unfortunately didn't hit expectations, so it looks more likely Chibi-Robo may still amongst the lesser known series of Nintendo.

Main Game or DLC?

Main Game. If Chibi-Robo gets in at all, it will have to be at first as the obligatory weird choice. I don't think he's a character that would entice that many to buy him.


Captain Toad (Or Toad in General)

Type of Character: Newcomer
Franchise: Mario

My Level of Want

If Mario gets a new character at all in Smash Switch. It needs to be some form of Toad. I may be a fan of Waluigi, Paper Mario would be a good example of an alternate version of an existing Smash character. But in all intents and purposes the Mario representation will never feel complete without a playable Toad of some kind. And Captain Toad possibly gives Toad the best chance at it then ever before. Toad's just one of the few Nintendo characters I feel are necessary to add to the all-star cast of Nintendo characters and is long overdue. I mentioned in the last thread that Toad has everything you think would be required to get in Smash. Perhaps the one thing was missing was another game to call his own other then Wario's Woods, plus the many platformers Toad is playable in, and a decent amount of time to establish himself.

Estimated Chance

Has to be higher then they were before. Captain Toad's game was released only weeks before Smash 4 on Wii U did. And there were plenty of new Mario characters already added to the game with Rosalina and Bowser Jr. So it's understandable he was kind of overlooked. But this time around it's been a decent amount of time for people to know more about Captain Toad aside from the cameos he made as far back as Galaxy and as recent as Odyssey. He might even drag Toadette with him potentially if they decide to have the gendered alts for Toad as well. I think if they add any new Mario characters at all. He's got the best shot. And if it does? It'll be about time.

Main Game or DLC?

Main Game. Adding a classic Mario character rebranded into a rep of a recent relatively liked game seems like prime material to add to the game immediately. I wouldn't be shocked if he turned out to be one of the first characters announced at E3 this year. Or if they have a Smash-specific direct before then. He just seems like one of those characters that could start off the new character wave.


Monokuma

Type of Character: 3rd Party Newcomer
Franchise: Dangan Ronpa

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I've only experienced Dangan Ronpa through Nintendocaprisun's let's plays. I don't think it's a game I could play, at least not blind. Because knowing that characters die I'd like to know if they die first before seeing what happens. May be cowardly of me, but I guess I just don't want my heart broken like what many fans of Dangan Ronpa often have to go to. Just overlooking conversations of people i know who are big fans of the series it seems that most of the best characters end up dead. I just can't get into series in which a character I get attached to has a chance of dying like this series and Game of Thrones. It's just not a feeling I like most of the time. But anyway, it would be really strange to see Monokuma in Smash. Of course it's completely unlikely. Unlikelier then most of the characters I've already covered in this list. But it'd certainly be something. I wonder if Monokuma would be the only character to have a different Final Smash animatic depending on who he catches (Obviously he could only catch one character, not allowed to get a group. But the bright side is if it succeeds it would be an instant KO no matter what)

Estimated Chance

Not happening. Dangan Ronpa has never been on a Nintendo console. And even if by some miracle the series gets ported soon enough and it gets a character in. We assume it'd be one of the students. Probably Makoto. Though admittedly it sounds alot harder to make a moveset for Makoto then it would be for Monokuma. But Monokuma isn't really the main character. Probably a 2nd rep possibly but even then you have Hajime too. Dangan Ronpa will never come to Smash. But much of this thread is talking about the hypotheticals. Don't see anything wrong with entertaining the ideas once in a while.

Main Game or DLC?

DLC, Obviously. Without a game on a Nintendo console it definitely isn't happening. And Monokuma would need more then the miracles that brought Cloud in.
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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2018, 04:39:53 PM »
I've decided to just go on ahead and do a merit rating for each of the 5 veterans from Melee or Brawl that didn't make it back in Smash 4


Wolf

Type of Character: Brawl Veteran
Franchise: Star Fox

My Level of Want

It'd be nice to have Wolf back honestly. It's a shame that Star Fox might of hit another low spot as besides not quite getting as much respect in Smash 4 then it did in Brawl. But then Star Fox Zero proved to be a disappointment (And probably not getting a port to Switch given the game was so reliant on the use of Gamepad motion controls). While Wolf did have similar specials to Fox and Falco, his other moves were almost entirely his own. He was much less of a clone then alot of the other semi-clones that were in Brawl. And that really helped him with people really wanting him back.

Estimated Chance

Wolf will no doubt be the other Veteran character other then the Ice Climbers that should be quite plausible to return. Though gotta say it's a bit tiring to expect Wolf. Many thought he was sure to return last game in the main game, but he didn't. Then people thought he was a shoe-in to be DLC, but he didn't. They had every opportunity to bring back Wolf, yet it never materialized. While it could certainly all come to an end should he finally return. You have to wonder if Wolf fans are still not going to be very happy that they were led wrong for both of Smash 4's speculation periods. I think he does have a good chance to return. But after what happened with him in Smash 4 there definitely is a seed of doubt, so Wolf fans can no longer take things for granted. Because of the whole Smash 4 situation I can't tell if Wolf has any better or worse chances.

Main Game or DLC?

Either/Or. He could be in the main game to finally give the Wolf fans a breather as soon as they get the game. But he could also potentially be saved for the DLC period because cut veterans seem to be a commodity for DLC other then 3rd party inclusions that blow people's minds one way or another. Roy and Lucas were both saved for DLC, and Wolf could be Smash Switch's own version of that


Solid Snake

Type of Character: 3rd Party Brawl Veteran
Franchise: Metal Gear

My Level of Want

Oh Snake, snake, snaaaaaaakkkkkkeeeeeee... It's a shame everything conspired against him to keep him out of Smash. Not only did Konami become one of the most stingiest companies in the gaming industry. But his creator Kojima was completely alienated. Meaning even if Sakurai contacted Konami about returning Snake he wouldn't have a friendly face meeting with him about it, and Konami may even outright just reject Sakurai's proposal. Snake really didn't deserve this fate, he's the one that opened up Smash to 3rd Parties in the first place. Without him, it's hard to see the 3rd Parties being as big as they are now. Maybe Sonic and Megaman would of still made that universe's Smash 4, but they might been the only 3rd parties and certainly not the whopping 6 3rd Parties we got in all of Smash 4. I'd love Snake to be back so that all these characters can honorably fight him while thanking them for the oppurtunity. But them's the break

Estimated Chance

Just not happening, unfortunately. Konami has become a detested company in the industry. And the Metal Gear series looks to be heading to a close with the lackluster reception for Metal Gear Survive. Even if Konami does get a character, it's no guarantee that it's Snake. They could very well give Bomberman instead. Which I'm not saying would be a bad thing necessarily, but nonetheless very disappointing to Metal Gear fans who loved Snake's surprising appearance in Smash and those who became Metal Gear fans because of Snake's appearance. Just know that I'll forever miss him too. Snake deserved much better then this fate.

Main Game or DLC

DLC. If by some miracle Snake did return, I feel DLC would be alot more likely. There's no way Nintendo negotiates anything from Konami before Smash Switch is out. A combination of both a veteran character that missed the previous game AND a 3rd party inclusion makes him prime DLC material. This would likely mean no Snake codecs though even if they bring back Shadow Moses along with him. No way they put that much effort into one DLC character. Though that could also be because there will be so many more characters then there were in Brawl anyway.


Pokemon Trainer / Squirtle / Ivysaur

Type of Character: Brawl Veteran
Franchise: Pokemon

My Level of Want

The trainer is arguably the most meritable inclusion for Pokemon. It’s just unfortunate that the 3DS being unable to process Transformation / Character change mechanics that doomed his return. The Pokemon Trainer we see in Brawl is obviously meant to be Red from the very first Pokemon games. And he captured most of what the Pokemon series is about. Leading a team of Pokemon with limited stamina and through the use of clever usage of the different Pokemon to win the fights. The only question is now that the Switch version likely won’t have to worry about a 3DS version problem. Should they return the Trainer back to what he was in Brawl. There is kind of pros and cons to it. The pros obviously being returning a character that would of likely came back if there was no 3DS version and fans of Squirrel and Ivysaur would be quite happy. But those who have come around to Charizard might feel nerfed by this especially if the Stamina part of Pokemon Trainer returned as well. And newer fans already think the representation is too much in favor of Gen 1. Back in Brawl, Lucario was the only representative of a later generation then the first one. I think it’s perfectly understandable though, whether people like it or not, Gen 1 was where Pokemon reached it’s peak popularity. It was a cultural phenomenon that just wasn’t going to be sustained aside from a brief fad where everyone and their moms were playing Pokemon Go. Honestly it wouldn’t be a surprise if the Pokemon game on the Switch blow up more then it already destined to be, is because game was focused in or at the very least started in Kanto with mostly Gen 1 Pokemon being the focus. Never underestimate the power nostalgia brings in to raking in the cash.

Estimated Chance

To be honest, I feel Pokemon Trainer probably will still be left out. And same for Squirtle and Ivysaur. I think they’ll stick to just Charizard as the only remaining part of Pokemon Trainer left. Keep Greninja, and also add a Gen 7 Pokemon (Most likely Decidueye, that way all 3 types that the Trainer had returned in a way. Just not the trainer himself)

Main Game or DLC?

If the Trainer were to return though, definitely a main game addition. As 3 characters in one is a lot for a DLC choice. Charizard would be likely merged back. And the Trainer would have his rightful spot on the roster. But for the sake of convenience and more spots for other generations. I think the Trainer still remains gone despite arguably being the best possible representative of Pokemon


Pichu

Type of Character: Melee Veteran
Franchise: Pokemon

My Level of Want

When even Sakurai doesn’t seem to care about bringing them back. Who really, really, really wants Pichu other then to have that 100% completion of everybody who was playable in a Smash game before come back in one game?

Estimated Chance

Sakurai has said he hates cuts just about as any Smash Bros. fan that doesn’t like leaving many behind. But he seems to have definitely viewed Pichu as the one-time joke character that he has not attempted to bring back in the slightest. Pichu was never found amongst the worked on fighters or anything like that. Pichu is likely to be the one 1st party veteran to be forever left behind and aside from a small number of fans who’d like it back regardless isn’t going to many people disappointed that he’s not

Main Game or DLC?

Either/or. Pichu only comes back if Sakurai decides to just bring back everyone that’s plausible to return. A slight possibility for Pichu to be DLC, so the people who do want it back can have their wish but others who don’t can choose not to.


Ice Climbers

Type of Character: Melee Veteran
Franchise: Ice Climber

My Level of Want

I never really used the Ice Climbers much. But it’d be nice for the fans that do get out of the limbo that Smash 4 put them in. Though one thing that does worry me about the Ice Climbers is what of 8 Player Smash? Contrary to popular belief, the 3DS version was not the only reason they decided to drop the Ice Climbers for Smash 4. A reminder that Melee and Brawl both suffered from some slowdown if there was a four player Ice Climber match. Could the Switch really be powerful enough to sustain 16 Ice Climbers at once without major issue? I do really like 8 Player Smash, it’s absolute chaos, but fun chaos nonetheless. There’s nothing more satisfying then having a Final Smash manage to hit all 7 other fighters. And I’m sure 8 Player had to have been a hit for household parties. So the issue becomes do we prioritize one character in the roster that people have enjoyed playing since Melee or a new mode that allowed more people then ever before to play Smash together. You could compromise by say, having the Ice Climbers the only character you can’t play as in 8 Player Smash and having the game tell you exactly why. Though I don’t know if people would see that as fair. If however I was given the choice between one or the other, I’m sorry Ice Climber fans but I’d pick bringing back 8 Player Smash over the Ice Climbers. More ways to play are just more important to me then one character that I don’t play as very often. 8 Player Smash doesn’t just have 8 Player free for all, you can have 4 vs 4, 5 vs. 3, 6 Vs. 2, 7 Vs. 1, 2 vs. 2 vs. 2 vs. 2 and many more variants that come from being able to have 5, 6, and 7 players at once aside from what up to 4 already provided.

Estimated Chance

Probably the most likely veteran to return given Sakurai has downright stated publicly that he tried getting them to work in Smash 4 but just couldn’t and without the 3DS issues now he may feel pressured to bring them back at last. I think the 8 Player Smash issue is enough to provide at least a little bit of doubt. But many expect them back now that there’s no longer a handheld version to hold things back. I think they will come back, but it will be bittersweet if it means 8 Player Smash doesn’t come back. It deserves to be played in more households then it got because of the failure of the Wii U.

Main Game or DLC?

Main Game for sure. Only way Ice Climbers are saved for DLC is if say they bring back 8 Player Smash, still having troubles so they're working on some type of workaround. (Another option other then just not having them playable in 8 Player Smash is having a solo Ice Climber in that mode only)

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2018, 05:32:25 PM »
I'll just say now that there's a chance that sometimes I'll do a pack of characters even if there was no requests for it. I have 2 packs of 5 characters I may get to. But mainly because there were requests in the old thread and it'd probably be a good idea to give an update on some of those chances.

This 5 pack will be centered around some 3rd Party choices.



Shantae

Type of Character: 3rd Party Newcomer
Franchise: Shantae

My Level of Want

I'm only a bit of a casual fan of the Shantae series. I did get both Pirate's Curse and Half-Genie Hero on Wii U. But haven't finished them. And despite both being now on the Switch I feel no need to buy them again if I'm not going to finish the Wii U version anyway. But if there are any indie characters to get in Smash. I would pick Shantae. She's had the longest history with Nintendo, having been around since the days of the Game Boy Color and her animal transformations would make for an interesting moveset for sure. I mean no disrespect to Shovel Knight, but Shantae just has much more history.

Estimated Chance

However, she isn't any more likely then Shovel Knight getting in still. Even if Bayonetta has broken the bonds of how legendary you have to be in order to get in Smash as a non-Nintendo character, indies are still going to have to work harder then most to get a character in Smash. Because there are still many Triple-A companies with characters that would likely rake in more sales and/or hype for the game. If Bayonetta has released more chains on 3rd party inclusions at all that doesn't just help indies after all. Characters that aren't quite super legendary on the level of Mario, Sonic, Megaman, and Pac-Man but still relatively well-known to longtime games like Bomberman, Crash, Spyro, etc. would also be helped. So the competition remains the same. Just that every character just had their chances for smash upticked just a little bit. And even then, Bayonetta could of been a special case since if it weren't for Sega and Nintendo's efforts there wouldn't have been more games after the first one. Bayonetta is arguably an adopted franchise for Nintendo at this point. And it did take being a strong candidate in the ballot to do it. Which an indie character (by virtue of being an indie game in the first place) will have difficulty doing.

Main Game or DLC?

DLC, for sure. I doubt we get an indie character right from the get go. They'd absolutely have to be DLC.


Spyro

Type of Character: 3rd Party Newcomer
Franchise: Spyro the Dragon

My Level of Want

I've never played any Spyro games. Though that could be changed with the rumored remastered trilogy coming. Though certainly not for a little while since it will likely have a 1-year PS4 exclusivity deal like the Crash one did (I do have a PS4, but I think I'd prefer waiting for it on Switch. I'm even considering double dipping with the Crash Trilogy only because I have been a big Crash fan. And the portability is a plus). Spyro is tied often with Crash as the developers of both were close back in the early days and they even had a crossover game series on the GBA as well as some cameos occasionally in eachother's games (Or at least I only know of the Spyro in Twinsanity one). Even down to both frachises hitting a bit of a down period in the mid-2000's. Technically Spyro is the more overall recently successful one but that comes with the caveat of Spyro being tied to Skylanders, which let's just say it's not what classic Spyro fans wanted Spyro to be these days or look like for that matter. But even more recently it looks like Crash is the one on top after the success of the trilogy and Spyro still stuck in Skylanders. At least until said Spyro trilogy comes out. Crash and Spyro have been almost nearly tied to the hip with alot of things in their history. But if Crash made it into Smash Switch would that mean Spyro's for sure coming too? Well....

Estimated Chance

I'm afraid Crash would probably enter solo. I think if Spyro is to make it into Smash, Crash will have to do it first. But I doubt both come into Smash Switch. I think Crash would have to come in as Smash Switch DLC and then return for the next game. And with the possibility of more recognition after a revival of the franchise then we may see Spyro in Smash 6 (Or 7 if you view the series like Sakurai). I just can't see Spyro being in this game though. The news of a Spyro trilogy just came way too late and the game will probably be on the Switch by the time DLC for Smash Switch is wrapping up.

Main Game or DLC

Again, definitely DLC. By some miracle Spyro makes it in Smash despite the impending PS4 exclusivity deal for the trilogy, it would be through here. But it'd definitely have to be preceded by an announcement of Crash. Or imagine if we got Crash and Spyro in the same announcement. The internet would be in utter madness.


Banjo & Kazooie


Type of Character: 3rd Party Newcomer
Franchise: Banjo & Kazooie

My Level of Want

We all know about the reasons there is hype behind Banjo possibly being in Smash some day. Phil Spencer, a higher-up at Microsoft in a tweet during the Smash 4 DLC period said that if Nintendo contacted them about Banjo they'd absolutely do it. And to be fair, it might be more possible now then ever. As Minecraft is currently owned by Microsoft company yet it did just fine being on the Wii U and the Switch. The Switch version will even eventually have cross-play though not until later in the year. As an interesting note. Wii U and Switch minecraft versions also have access to some Microsoft character skins such as Master Chief, and yes, Banjo as well. So the closest we have on Banjo being back on Nintendo is through Minecraft. Though Minecraft skins is one thing, putting Banjo in Smash would be another story altogether. Especially interesting is that Banjo was a strong consideration back in Melee's development. But Rare being bought out likely prevented any chance of it happening. Could the stars align for it to finally happen this time though?

Estimated Chance

Despite Phil Spencer's thoughts on the matter it still might be a bit of a complicated affair. Sure Nintendo got some characters that would of fit just right with the Playstation All-Stars cast like Snake and Cloud. But both weren't technically Sony property. Rare is however now a part of Microsoft, so it's indeed that much more complicated for things to happen for Banjo to be cleared for Smash. It's not going to be an easy road. But no doubt there will be an internet explosion, perhaps the biggest since Sonic's reveal in Brawl. And under the circumstances might just be THE most break the internet style inclusion in Smash Bros. history. It would mean Smash Bros. has transcended past consoles wars of not just the past as Sonic and Cloud does, but also the present, and maybe could even be the ticket to video game companies being less black and white when it comes to special crossover projects. Obviously the urge for buisness will still to try to outsell the other companies but for even just a fleeting moment. One game where reps that are famous on all the major console makers can all be included can lead to some lines being blurred between fans of gaming. It'd be a glorious day for sure, but that's because it still feels like a bit of a pipe dream. But hey, at one point Sonic being in Smash must of felt like a pipe dream. And so did having Mario, Sonic, Megaman, Pac-Man, Ryu, and Cloud all in one official game. If Smash Switch is going to have that internet breaking moment that leaves everyone in awe of "How did this happen?! And why is it so awesome?!" once again, Banjo would be the character to do it.

Main Game or DLC

Absolutely DLC. I'm willing to be it's kinda too late for Banjo to get in immediately. The negotiations for Banjo may take a while. So DLC would definitely be the route taken. Especially since that's where the most out there characters came in for Smash 4 3rd Party wise. Ryu, Cloud, and Bayonetta all broke pre-established "rules" and if Banjo came in. "Owned by a competing console maker" will be just another on the list.


Dr. Eggman

Type of Character: 3rd Party Newcomer
Franchise: Sonic the Hedgehog

My Level of Want

If Tails can't make it, then Eggman would probably be the next best thing. And probably more neutrally accepted even amongst those that aren't big fans of the Sonic franchise if it were to happen since Eggman isn't one of Sonic's "annoying friends". I think the only problem might be a bit more difficulty on deciding how he'd fight. Best I could think of is something akin to Bowser Jr. only bigger, heavier. And in the Egg Mobile with obviously a different toolset. It'd be absolutely fun though to have Mike Pollock record lines for Smash as he's an absolute blast as Eggman. I do think it'd be more fitting if say they ever included a Sonic related Boss rather then as the 2nd Sonic character. But I certainly wouldn't complain.

Estimated Chance

3rd Party franchises getting 2nd reps are going to be quite low in chance. Once we hit the DLC period though anything goes. So who really knows. As for Eggman himself's chances of being the character to break that rule. Not to sound biased but I think Tails out prioritizes him for a few reasons. Maybe even Knuckles before Eggman too. Not that I think Tails is that much more likely (I'll be covering that next actually) But we did get Luigi in Smash before Bowser. You could say that was because Luigi was easier to make because he was more of a clone of Mario back in Smash 64. But you have to think that when it comes to 2nd reps, the iconic 2nd player and/or sidekick tends to get in over the main villain. Even if the Mario example isn't enough. Reminder that we still don't have K. Rool but we've had Diddy since Brawl. As I said earlier I'd rather Eggman represented as a boss should the Sonic series ever include one for any reason. It'd be fun to fight him with all the different characters that way.

Main Game or DLC?

2nd 3rd Party franchise reps are definitely going to be DLC. I don't see them doing something like that for the main game. Because it fits the criteria so far for 3rd Party DLC to be breaking pre-established rules it seems.


Miles "Tails" Prower

Type of Character: 3rd Party Newcomer
Franchise: Sonic the Hedgehog

My Level of Want

If you didn't already know, Tails was who I voted for in the Smash Ballot. Perhaps it's a little greedy for me to suggest a 2nd Sonic rep over some Nintendo characters that could use some love. But when it comes to the one character I want most in Smash now that Sonic has already made it. Tails is it. Though a bit of a disclaimer, I won't be disappointed one way or another if Tails doesn't make the cut. Cause Sonic was already that dream inclusion fulfilled for me. Every new character that'd made it in Smash that I happen to like since Sonic got in is equivalent to whip cream on my glorious ice cream sundae. But Tails would be the sweet, sweet, sweet cherry on top. Tails is just my favorite Sonic character, and he just happens to be the franchise's equivalent of what Luigi is to Mario. Perhaps he's not treated or even portrayed as well as that nowadays but you'd be pretty hard pressed to suggest that someone else deserves the title of Sonic's Luigi. And what I mean by Luigi, as in the other character that often pops up in your head whenever you hear the franchise's name. The main character always pops in your head behind them, but not far behind them you usually imagine their sidekick, brother, or whichever role the player 2 character plays as right besides them running through the levels. When I think Sonic, I picture Sonic running through levels at a fast pace with his buddy Tails close behind. They're just one of the most iconic duos in gaming and despite being what would be another Sonic rep at face value, I count Tails as much of an icon of gaming as any. There would be naysayers if it were to happen, but Tails is absolutely the most iconic choice for another Sonic rep in Smash. Eggman may be the main villain but I expressed why I think he's less likely then Tails already, Knuckles may make more sense to be fighting but while he's a classic character for sure I just think he's a slight bit less of an iconic choice. And while Shadow may arguably be more popular then Tails is these days, he's also kind of a controversial matter. It would absolutely make my entire life to see a Sonic & Tails Vs. Mario & Luigi battle be possible in Smash Bros. It's just one of those things I could die happy knowing that I got to see happen.

Estimated Chance


Sorry if that got a little gush-heavy over my most wanted character. But it's time to delve into a little reality. I'm not confident in it happening much at all, and I'm ok with that. As much as I said things about dying happy about it. Sonic being in Smash in general is also kind of already that. I don't think it's an impossibility, despite the ups and downs over the years the Sonic franchise is still one of the most popular franchises out there and as such the Sonic franchise would be the one to break the mold should they decide to break the only one character per 3rd Party franchise rule. For that to happen a character should have have to be arguably just as iconic to gaming as the main character and I think Tails fulfills that well enough. It might not be quite enough right now but should they look at it by the time Smash 6 (Or again 7, if you're like Sakurai) rolls around that he'll become an ever stronger possibility as Sonic would have a strong foothold in the series. I can keep my two fingers crossed for the two tailed fox. But I'm certainly not going to count on it. I understand that other companies' reps would probably provide more diversity and not everyone wants one of Sonic's "annoying friends" in Smash. So Tails isn't impossible but he's nowhere near a strong possibility. But if it ever happens, it'd be the one character that would probably put me in Etika-was-shown-Mewtwo-DLC kind of excitement

Main Game or DLC?

As I said with Eggman's section, DLC is the only way this happens at all. It might also provide a little bit of a compromise that don't want any more Sonic characters in the game. If you wouldn't like Tails in Smash, then don't buy him.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2018, 01:29:23 PM »
I saw you mention Decidueye, and to be fair, I was actually wondering on your full thoughts on its inclusion.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2018, 02:51:40 PM »
Decidueye

Type of Character: Newcomer
Franchise: Pokemon

My Level of Want

While I haven't been big into Pokemon in a long time. Some of the newer generations after I lost interest certainly has had some excellent designed Pokemon over the years. And I do think the whole Rowlet line looks like a great new Pokemon from Sun and Moon. I also did get to play as Decidueye for a short while when I rented Pokken Tournament DX so I've already played a fighter with it in it. So why the heck not have another?

Estimated Chance

Probably the most likely Sun and Moon rep. Especially if Charizard and Greninja both return because that might finally point us to a completion of the Starting pokemon triangle that has kinda left a hole in the Pokemon representation because of how Ivysaur had to be cut that feels odd after the way Brawl represented Pokemon. Charizard would be fire, Greninja would be water, and Decidueye would be Grass. While I've said that character shapes don't necessarily need to be represented. This may be the only one that might make some kind of sense to see happen.

Main Game or DLC?

Either/or. While if I had to say one, I'd lean towards being a main game addition. Though Sakurai has told us that the Pokemon company is oddly quite stingy with it's representatives. They may be satisfied with the current representatives in Smash already. I'm also thinking this may partly depend on whether or not Mewtwo is in the main game. If Mewtwo is in, maybe they save Decidueye for a little later so people have the choice whether they'd be ok with having 7 Pokemon in their roster. If Mewtwo is being saved for DLC again instead, then they may try to have a bit of damage control by making sure they at least have a unique character like Decidueye in his place until they have us buy Mewtwo yet again.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #55 on: April 08, 2018, 07:05:02 PM »
UPDATE ALERT!

Spyro

Type of Character: 3rd Party Newcomer
Franchise: Spyro the Dragon

My Level of Want

I've never played any Spyro games. Though that could be changed with the rumored remastered trilogy coming. Though certainly not for a little while since it will likely have a 1-year PS4 exclusivity deal like the Crash one did (I do have a PS4, but I think I'd prefer waiting for it on Switch. I'm even considering double dipping with the Crash Trilogy only because I have been a big Crash fan. And the portability is a plus). Spyro is tied often with Crash as the developers of both were close back in the early days and they even had a crossover game series on the GBA as well as some cameos occasionally in eachother's games (Or at least I only know of the Spyro in Twinsanity one). Even down to both frachises hitting a bit of a down period in the mid-2000's. Technically Spyro is the more overall recently successful one but that comes with the caveat of Spyro being tied to Skylanders, which let's just say it's not what classic Spyro fans wanted Spyro to be these days or look like for that matter. But even more recently it looks like Crash is the one on top after the success of the trilogy and Spyro still stuck in Skylanders. At least until said Spyro trilogy comes out. Crash and Spyro have been almost nearly tied to the hip with alot of things in their history. But if Crash made it into Smash Switch would that mean Spyro's for sure coming too? Well....

Estimated Chance

I'm afraid Crash would probably enter solo. I think if Spyro is to make it into Smash, Crash will have to do it first. But I doubt both come into Smash Switch. I think Crash would have to come in as Smash Switch DLC and then return for the next game. And with the possibility of more recognition after a revival of the franchise then we may see Spyro in Smash 6 (Or 7 if you view the series like Sakurai). I just can't see Spyro being in this game though. The news of a Spyro trilogy just came way too late and the game will probably be on the Switch by the time DLC for Smash Switch is wrapping up.

Main Game or DLC

Again, definitely DLC. By some miracle Spyro makes it in Smash despite the impending PS4 exclusivity deal for the trilogy, it would be through here. But it'd definitely have to be preceded by an announcement of Crash. Or imagine if we got Crash and Spyro in the same announcement. The internet would be in utter madness.

Well... now that we have this:



I think a slight update to the chances is in order.

I think for the most part this at least slightly raises his chances at Smash for sure. Though there's one thing of concern of course and that the Switch version is not listed even though it looks like Spyro won't be getting the 1 Year PS4 exclusivity deal that Crash got. Now so far I don't think entirely means for some reason they're going to keep Spyro away from the Switch. Either they're going to release Spyro on the Switch (And I imagine PC as well) a little later. Or perhaps there's some NDA with Nintendo where in the next direct they'll announce the trilogy is coming at around the same time at the other releases. There was an official Nintendo store in UK that even put it up on pre-order.

That said aside from being wrong about an exclusivity deal happening most of what I said still kinda applies. We're not getting Spyro before Crash gets in. I do think that now there isn't an exclusivity deal that maybe just maybe they can both get in together in this game. But still if only one of the two makes it in, it's Crash plain and simple.

Still, in order for Nintendo to get the rights for Crash. Toys for Bob and Activision will be the companies they'll have to get in contact with, and Nintendo has co-operated in the past for things like Skylanders with the inclusion of Bowser and DK in the Wii U Versions of Skylander games. If Sakurai and/or Nintendo ask for Crash, there's a possibility Spyro also ends up within the negotiations somewhere. And perhaps the absolute dream idea of a trailer beginning mostly about Crash that in the middle of it transitions to a Spyro one too could conceivably happen.

And if it does, man wouldn't we all like to be flies on the wall for any Sony fans watching. Given the one chance Playstation All-Stars to have a Smash Bros. of it's owned failed. Partly because of failure to truly get some of the many characters that defined the Playstation at one point of time. Crash, Spyro, Cloud, and Snake (Even if Snake isn't happening ever again thanks to Konami)

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #56 on: April 09, 2018, 02:10:41 AM »
Since Nintendo randomly decided to throw Hello Kitty and Shaun the Sheep in Mario Maker, what are the chances of seeing odd choices like that in Smash? I mean Sakurai pretty much broke his “one third party character per company” rule by adding Ryu.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #57 on: April 09, 2018, 03:55:07 PM »
Since Nintendo randomly decided to throw Hello Kitty and Shaun the Sheep in Mario Maker, what are the chances of seeing odd choices like that in Smash? I mean Sakurai pretty much broke his “one third party character per company” rule by adding Ryu.

Iiiiiii'll just take this oppurtunity to talk about "4th Party" characters in general

4th Party Character/Goku/Mickey Mouse/Whoever else someone crazy may want in Smash

(First a bit of a disclaimer. 4th Party technically does not exist. It was just an easier term made up to use as a way to differentiate anybody who didn't originate from a video game then the 3rd Parties that became eligible for Smash Bros. after Snake was announced.)

My Level of Want

Er, while there may be a few I'd at least feel conflicted about depending on just how legendary the character is. I'd rather Smash be saved from this floodgate being opened. Smash being opened up to 3rd Parties was a natural progression for Smash to evolve into. While there are still Nintendo purists out there, nothing quite gets the hype of characters once deemed impossible being included with Nintendo's best. The question has now become where does the line end in terms of possible 3rd Party characters. Some of the many rules have been pushed back especially in Smash 4. Ryu proved a company could have more then one rep, Cloud meant the character didn't necessarily have to be famous on Nintendo systems, and Bayonetta probably opened up the floodgates to characters that aren't necessarily legends of gaming history even if that was a little bit of a special case since Bayonetta has become Nintendo exclusive and it was through the ballot. But does that necessarily mean now that someone from non-videogames is possible? I don't necessarily think so as there's still some decently popular Nintendo characters and some 3rd Parties that would be great fits before we end up being desperate enough to include a non-video game character.

Estimated Chance

Still at about... 0%. If we were to get one it'd be someone like Goku or Mickey. And the pain of getting the licenses around the world with characters like that would be absolute hell. Plus I think even Sakurai knows that's not the type of thing Smash should open the floodgates to. Smash is a Nintendo crossover fighter that has slowly transitioned into something that has the potential to be the one game to represent all sorts of gaming from the past, present, and future. There's enough potential with that alone before they end up being desperate enough to go into the uncharted territory of non-Video game characters. It would literally open a pandora's box of possibilities no matter where it went.

Main Game or DLC?

A 4th Party character isn't going to be negotiated for the Main Game. If it happened at all for Smash Switch. I'd think like it's the very last surprise before DLC is wrapped up. That way the floodgates don't entirely open until the next game in the series. Which would make it even funnier if Smash Switch turns out to be the last Smash game that Sakurai is a developer over. "Congratulations, here's Goku. I'm never working on Smash ever again!"



As for Mario Maker costumes meaning anything when it comes to Smash. I suppose it's time to get on the hype train for the Springboard to get in Smash then. If we run by Mario Maker logic even the spring is more likely then Daisy even.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #58 on: April 09, 2018, 06:13:16 PM »
Well...thanks for bringing up Mickey Mouse.....nothing like a (acid) trip down memory lane.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Switch Edition)
« Reply #59 on: April 21, 2018, 05:51:18 PM »
Got a batch of new characters this time. 2 are from Mario related, 2 are from Zelda

Kamek

Type of Character: Newcomer
Franchise: Yoshi

My Level of Want

If Yoshi is to ever get a 2nd rep, Kamek is probably what I’d want most. I don’t think he’s entirely necessary. But I don’t think I would complain about more magic users.

Estimated Chance

I still think Yoshi’s just fine on his lonesome. A concern about Kamek coming in would be could be mistaken easily for a generic Magikoopa as there isn’t alot that differentiates him from all the Magikoopa enemies. Also poor Kamek has been passed over multiple times in Mario Kart of all series (He was skipped over in both Mario Kart 64 and Mario Kart 8 ), what chances does he have in Smash if even Mario Kart overlooks him?

Main Game or DLC?

Probably a Main Game choice. I can’t see him being someone they’d ask you to pay for.


Pauline

Type of Character: Newcomer
Franchise: Mario or Donkey Kong

My Level Of Want

This would be a pick that would outdo even the Rosalina reveal in terms of including a character that just recently got a boost in relevancy. Even if Pauline is the very first Mario gal. Could make for some interesting ideas for a moveset, you could borrow from the original Donkey Kong arcade game, the Mario Vs. Donkey Kong series via the Mini Marios, and of course they could even make her somewhat an Odyssey rep too. I think there is a creative ways to set up Pauline as a fighter. I’m just not entirely confident that her recent boost is enough. But then again, I said the same about Rosalina before she was confirmed. She could certainly be a dark horse candidate. There’d be some question on whether she’d be a Mario rep or a Donkey Kong rep. Most of her games involved Donkey Kong so it may lean towards that. But either way she’d be a surprise hardly anyone sees coming for either side of the coin.

Estimated Chance

I can’t see her exactly coming in yet. Maybe if we see her pop up in Mario spin-offs (She could be in Aces as an unlockable, who knows) or appears in a more significant role in say an Odyssey 2 she’d be up there. I won’t count Pauline completely out of it, as I mentioned she actually has a decent amount of history, and Sakurai has done much with less to pull from for other characters. But whether she is a Mario rep or a DK rep. She’ll have strong competition either way.

Main Game or DLC?

This is a bit of a toughie. So I’ll say Either/Or. If Pauline is in the game, there’s a possibility Sakurai was told that Pauline was going to return in some fashion in more games and  maybe asked if a moveset could be made for her borrowing from her entire history plus Odyssey. On the other hand maybe he wasn’t briefed much in Pauline but later comes to the idea that Pauline could make for an interesting new character. And thus save her for a surprise Mario rep. I’m not sure she’s too profitable of a choice all things considered, but Pauline’s fanbase is no doubt going to grow after Odyssey. A former damsel-in-distress who is now a fully capable mayor of a city is the kind of character many would love nowadays. Developing further then arguably Peach has had throughout her entire history despite being the female character with the most appearances in gaming. Heck, Pauline was even included in some extra thing that was on the 3DS called Nintendo Starlets. Where her, Peach, Zelda, and Rosalina were all circling around. Guess which one still has yet to get in Smash?


Ganon (Beast/Pig Form)

Type of Character: Newcomer
Franchise: Legend of Zelda

My Level of Want

If the Zelda representation truly is restricted to just the Triforce 3 and alternate versions of them. It’s only fair that we get one for the King of Evil in the form of a big beast in Ganon. What I mean by that is Ganon’s appearance in the first Legend of Zelda and/or A Link Between Worlds. It could be the solution that those disappointed that Ganondorf is relegated to a slower, stronger Captain Falcon could be looking for. Having a big heavy trident would work wonders with a possibility for a moveset too.

Estimated Chance

A beast Ganon of any sort is one of those choices that aren’t going to be brought up too often but certainly a cool idea that comes out from being restricted to only the Triforce 3. It’s another possible dark horse pick I’d think. Imagine a battle of titans between 3 (Or even 4 if Ridley manages to make it) enormous Nintendo villains with Ganon, Bowser, and King K. Rool

Main Game or DLC?

Most likely a Main game choice as a Zelda DLC choice would likely be someone more requested.


Tetra/Toon Zelda

Type of Character: Newcomer
Franchise: Legend of Zelda

My Level of Want

This is a bit of a strange thing since Toon Zelda does have the ability to be unique with Tetra given some pirate moves of sorts. Though there is certainly the possibility they go with a bit of a lazy route and go with Toon Zelda to make her a smaller, faster clone. Much like Toon Link is to Link. Toon Zelda was a part of the Forbidden 7 for Brawl and is said to have had a Toon Shiek which might of been interesting to see but still pointed towards them making Toon Zelda the same as they did Toon Link which kinda makes her less desirable. Also for some reason a move more related to Phantom Hourglass which is a game with Toon Zelda was given as the replacement for the transformation for Regular Zelda in Smash 4. So some pretty odd stuff going on there with Zelda

Estimated Chance

She may have been considered back in the Brawl days but by now she may as well just stick to being a consideration. If Zelda and Shiek remain separated, she’s kinda already our 2nd Zelda.

Main Game or DLC?

Going to actually say Either/Or on this one. I think if Toon Zelda happens it may be a main game addition to beef up the Zelda roster but because they were a consideration at one point. Maybe Sakurai gets the idea to include her as an option at DLC to bring whatever ideas he had for Toon Zelda back in Brawl to life. Being an alternate of the Triforce 3 still helps her until it’s proven that characters outside of the 3 can make it.