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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Ultimate Edition)
« Reply #100 on: February 18, 2019, 12:14:46 AM »
I think Sakurai said he didn't actually put it in for the memes and said it was a fairly recognizable character.
In that case Toad should have gotten in instead.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Ultimate Edition)
« Reply #101 on: February 18, 2019, 12:29:08 AM »
I imagine the challenge of creating a moveset for a character with such an unorthodox body type was appealing.
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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Ultimate Edition)
« Reply #102 on: February 18, 2019, 01:24:17 PM »
I think Sakurai said he didn't actually put it in for the memes and said it was a fairly recognizable character.

I've been seeing what Sakurai's been saying yeah. But nothing he's said has exactly changed my opinion. One of the things he said was that he didn't just want another hero for more variety but uh... there's many, many, more villainous choices then a Piranha Plant. More recently Sakurai has stated what most suspected why Piranha Plant was chosen for specifically the moveset and having to get a little more creative with the moves. But it's still some of his wording that I disagree with.

"In addition, Piranha Plant is a very well known character." Piranha Plant isn't a character, it's a recognizable obstacle and/or regular enemy.

It's almost just better to view it as the joke/meme/etc. inclusion, because trying to take it as seriously as any other fighter (Even the previous so-called joke/WTF characters in Smash have a reason they'd one-up the plant on merit) just makes it worse merit-wise.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Ultimate Edition)
« Reply #103 on: February 18, 2019, 01:58:52 PM »
What about...
Steve.
Y'know, from Minecraft.
He seems to be quite the popular choice for leaks.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Ultimate Edition)
« Reply #104 on: February 18, 2019, 02:33:12 PM »
What about...
Steve.
Y'know, from Minecraft.
He seems to be quite the popular choice for leaks.

STEVE

Level of Want

Oh boy, it's that character that I see complained about everywhere who people would swear is the worst inclusion ever because of how much they find Minecraft overrated, it's fanbase annoying, and/or it's a threat to a certain sacred bear & bird duo

...And yet, I'd be perfectly ok with it. Granted I can't say it's a character I particularly WANT in Smash but yes, I would take Steve's inclusion in stride while almost the whole rest of the Smash Bros. corners of the internet goes nuts. Feel free to say how ugly and unfitting Steve's design for Smash is. But we have to keep in mind Minecraft's one of the most successful games ever. There's a reason Microsoft has put the game on everything including it's competitor's consoles where you're perfectly able to change to Master Chief skins for your character through DLC even on your Nintendo Switch. Minecraft has more outreach then any indie game (Though kind of hard to say Minecraft is Indie now, it certainly began as an Indie back when Notch was head of the game but it's in Microsoft's hands now and is selling merchandise and even online subscriptions specifically for the game). And if Steve is capable of bulding blocks on the stage it might make for some interesting fun on Smash Bros. maps. Hell, I'd be interesting in seeing a casual 8-player all Steve match to see what people could do with building blocks without necessarily trying to fight eachother. It's be fun to see something like that. If Steve is indeed coming, bring him on. He's very much an icon of modern gaming right now, I too would like to see Banjo come first but if he's coming to Smash at any point in history. Banjo may have to deal with either just not being relavent known or a package deal with Steve where Steve is for the younger and casual fans and Banjo is for the hardcore. Though I'm not sure about the likelihood of Microsoft getting half of the remaining Fighter Pass characters.

Estimated Chance

I do however feel that his chances are somewhat overstated. Yeah people have said he's inevitable because *insert potential insider/leaker* said this or that. But even for the ones like Verge that have gotten things correct about this game before, the Minecraft stuff has just strangely been the one thing still yet to appear. Now I don't blame Verge himself for possibly being wrong, he has multiple sources and not all of them trustworthy. It's possible that whoever's been telling him that Minecraft content is coming to Smash is not exactly truthful. I think Verge got a really good hand in the base game, he however does seem to be slipping in terms of DLC and/or outside Smash stuff (Such as believing the new zelda was not Link's Awakening related... oof). Microsoft also seems to be very buddy buddy which is definitely odd for current console competitors (I mean Xbox Live services will be offered on the Switch for crying out loud) though we can't be for sure if it will lead to any Smash inclusions for either Steve or even Banjo-Kazooie at this rate. If Microsoft does allow a character in Smash it will almost be certaintly Steve and/or Banjo-Kazooie. Steve on the somewhat more likely scale just because of Minecraft's popularity. But if a 2nd fighter's pass happens ever, I'd actually keep a look out for the bear and bird.

In short, I think Steve's still one to at least keep an eye on as a possibility. But I wouldn't consider it a near certainty like many of the characters Vergeben mentioned during the base game speculation period.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Ultimate Edition)
« Reply #105 on: February 18, 2019, 02:58:38 PM »
What's your opinion on a character from Puyo Puyo such as Arle getting in?

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Ultimate Edition)
« Reply #106 on: February 18, 2019, 03:04:57 PM »
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But I wouldn't consider it a near certainty like many of the characters Vergeben mentioned during the base game speculation period.

VergeBen?

Listen...

Did he say Joker was in?

No.

Is he in?

Yes.

Facts are in. Dude's not right on it here.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Ultimate Edition)
« Reply #107 on: February 18, 2019, 03:11:29 PM »
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But I wouldn't consider it a near certainty like many of the characters Vergeben mentioned during the base game speculation period.

VergeBen?

Listen...

Did he say Joker was in?

No.

Is he in?

Yes.

Facts are in. Dude's not right on it here.

That's why I said base game speculation specifically (As in from the month or two before E3 all the way to November 1st). Joker's DLC. I know even in Base game Verge wasn't perfect (He never mentioned K. Rool though he did ask about him at some point) but he had a pretty good track record during the base game of Smash Ultimate otherwise. To say he didn't at one point pretty much get 90% of his claims right during that period is denial.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Ultimate Edition)
« Reply #108 on: February 18, 2019, 03:18:09 PM »
I mean yeah he HAS proven himself in base game.

Looks like we misunderstood each other I guess or it's probably me who was being an idiot as always.

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Re: Smash Bros. Character Merit (Ultimate Edition)
« Reply #109 on: February 18, 2019, 07:41:53 PM »
ARLE NADJA

My Level of Want

Only played a bit of Puyo Puyo. Most I've seen of Arle is renting Puyo Puyo Tetris on the Switch. Arle is yet another Sega owned character. So in some ways it's not exactly a character I'm all for because if it's still even possible to get more characters under Sega's ownership after we already have Sonic, Bayonetta, and Joker. I'd want them to give Sonic another character. Preferably Tails. I'd be all for Sega getting the "Too much Fire Emblem" treatment if we managed to get Tails. But I'd understand why they may want to push Arle instead. Puyo Puyo is pretty popular in Japan. Just not as much worldwide. (They recently released an eSports version back in October of last year. It's however in areas in or near Japan and not in the US or Europe). And it'd actually be a proper puzzle game rep rather then just Dr. Mario which doesn't really bring any puzzle stuff to his gameplay. So it'd definitely hit a good niche and I'd be interested how they implement a puzzle fighter.

Estimated Chance

I feel Arle's among the many Sega characters that just got any remaining hope they had for DLC dashed by Joker's inclusion. And even if there is to be yet another Sega character, it's not a sure thing she'd be next as maybe next time Sega gets another choice they actually do decide to get Sonic another character. Or there's other potential series like Yakuza or even another Atlus or Platinum owned character. Also regarding Puzzle characters, Nintendo does have one of it's own it could promote. That being Lip. However, she was made a Mii costume for the Swordfighters. Mii costume may be good signs for potential characters for the next game, but as for being promoted in the same game their mii costume came first seems a bit doubtful. So I'm not so sure why they'd include a 3rd party puzzle character before Lip