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Title: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Jourdon on April 11, 2018, 09:47:13 PM
VOTE!!!
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: GalacticPetey on April 11, 2018, 10:09:40 PM
Toad
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Builder Mario on April 11, 2018, 10:23:30 PM
Waluigi and that's not even a contest.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on April 11, 2018, 10:26:58 PM
Neither.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on April 12, 2018, 12:06:55 AM
*inevitable pedantic joke about wording of "being in Smash Switch"*
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: winstein on April 12, 2018, 12:07:41 AM
I voted Waluigi for playable character. Waluigi is quite popular, and he has a lot of unique characteristics that made him stand out: his body posture, his personality and the eccentric things that both could provide. If being spin-off only is viewed as a reason not to include, we should turn the disadvantage into an advantage: him being the first character who is prominently in spin-offs becoming a main challenger.

As much as I like Daisy, she is not a priority so I put Waluigi first.

Thank you for reading.

EDIT: I would also like to add that Waluigi's inclusion determines whether or not I consider Smash Switch a priority or on the waiting list.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: YoshiFlutterJump on April 12, 2018, 01:45:42 AM
Waluigi runs circles around Daisy for Smash Switch.  Waluigi is cut out for Smash; Daisy...I really can’t say the same; she’s just a clone of Peach right now.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Shy Guy on Wheels on April 12, 2018, 01:47:11 AM
Add Toad first, and then I'll answer.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Tom Phan on April 12, 2018, 02:23:43 AM
Waluigi will just be a trophy.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on April 12, 2018, 10:10:07 AM
Between the 2 Waluigi is the most likely, he is already in the game as an assist thropy.

However, i am not crazy for either and since neither are important characters per see , i would say none of them.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: The Mafia Boss on April 12, 2018, 10:23:34 AM
Waluigi > Daisy
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: winstein on April 12, 2018, 11:02:45 AM
I feel that this topic is kind of biased, because the thread uses a Waluigi icon. Besides, this is a topic where the conclusion is already determined due to the fact that there aren't enough cases to favour the other character (in this case, Daisy).

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Toadgamer on April 12, 2018, 11:07:58 AM
 :toad: :toad: :toad: :toad: :toad:

If I'd choose between Waluigi and Daisy, I'd choose Mr. Waaaaaaluigi.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Alex95 on April 12, 2018, 11:23:43 AM
12 votes Waluigi
1 vote Daisy

I feel so alone.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: winstein on April 12, 2018, 11:27:33 AM
12 votes Waluigi
1 vote Daisy

I feel so alone.

Unfortunately this is a single vote poll, and I would have picked both if the option is available, but I had to prioritise the one that has the best chance in making it.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on April 12, 2018, 11:59:07 AM
realistically speaking Waluigi is more liked.

Or at least liked for better reasons maybe. Most that like him do because of jokes and memes ... meanwhile the people that like Daisy struggle to pretend she is super different from Peach and spoiler: she is not.

This kind of argument with these 2 is kinda like asking which is the least worse HIV or Cancer (yes , thats too much but you get the idea)
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Alex95 on April 12, 2018, 12:05:19 PM
meanwhile the people that like Daisy struggle to pretend she is super different from Peach and spoiler: she is not.

Nah, the two really aren't that different, aside from personalities, stats in sports games, color pallets, and roles. I voted Daisy because I like her more than Waluigi, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Cheeze on April 12, 2018, 12:21:32 PM
I voted for Waluigi, but let's be real. Neither will get in. Ever. Sakurai clearly hates both characters and their fans, so we'll never see those two in as playable characters.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Shygul on April 12, 2018, 01:10:31 PM
both but put daisy over waluigi's model like they did with bowser jr/koopalings
and keep the third eye ofc
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Doof on April 12, 2018, 04:00:17 PM
Honestly I hope neither gets to be playable, BUT if I had to pick, Waluigi no contest hands down won by light years.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Marie on April 12, 2018, 06:15:00 PM
My ideal additions Mario newcomer additions to Smash 5 would be Waluigi and Toad/Captain Toad. However, Toad is secondary to Waluigi.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on April 13, 2018, 01:02:31 PM
Are you seriously comparing Daisy to a life threatening diesease Swiftie???!

Well for me it would go Daisy > Waluigi > Captain Toad >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trash >>>>> Paper Mario

Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Builder Mario on April 13, 2018, 01:34:23 PM
Well for me it would go Daisy > Waluigi > Captain Toad >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trash >>>>> Paper Mario
I'm not sure why you dragged Paper Mario into this, but for me the order of those is Paper Mario > Waluigi >>>>>>Toad=Daisy. Even so, I'd say all of them have a higher chance than Daisy, including Toad/Captain Toad, even if I don't want him in either. If we get another human Mario girl, it'll most likely be Pauline.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on April 13, 2018, 02:03:08 PM
Pauline can’t even make it to Mario Tennis...what chance does she have for Smash?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Builder Mario on April 13, 2018, 02:11:36 PM
We don't know the full roster for Mario Tennis yet. I'm confident she'll be there and even if she's not, there's no denying her appearance in Mario Odyssey will have an effect on her future in the series.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Doof on April 13, 2018, 02:24:13 PM
Are you seriously comparing Daisy to a life threatening diesease Swiftie???!

Well for me it would go Daisy > Waluigi > Captain Toad >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trash >>>>> Paper Mario


Wow what did paper mario do to you
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: YoshiFlutterJump on April 13, 2018, 03:37:03 PM
For me it’s Waluigi > Cappy > Pauline > Toad (preferably assist character though) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Daisy.

I liked Smash 4’s inclusion of Daisy because it made it plain obvious who she truly is: Peach with an orange dress and brown hair.  Until Daisy proves herself as an independent character from Peach (and stops showing hatred toward Waluigi), she will stay near the bottom of my favorite characters list—down there with Jojora and Starlow.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on April 13, 2018, 04:38:58 PM
Pauline can’t even make it to Mario Tennis...what chance does she have for Smash?
Guess who wasn't in Mario Tennis Open but ended up in Smash.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on April 13, 2018, 04:46:17 PM
Luma is in Open.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on April 13, 2018, 04:52:12 PM
Guess who wasn't in Super Sluggers and also was in Smash.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on April 13, 2018, 04:55:28 PM
Dr Mario
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Alex95 on April 13, 2018, 06:19:21 PM
Marth
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on April 13, 2018, 07:39:10 PM
Guess who wasn't in Super Sluggers and also was in Smash.

Rosalina was only picked because of Sakurai liking the idea of a puppet fighter.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on April 13, 2018, 07:48:38 PM
The goalposts are suddenly far away.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Marie on April 14, 2018, 11:58:39 AM
I think Pauline has almost no chance of being playable in Smash. She doesn't have much moveset potential as far as I can tell, and she still isn't even that major of a character in Odyssey compared to Rosalina's role in Galaxy. Furthermore, Rosalina was at least in some spin-offs before being in Smash, like MKW. Also Rosalina didn't get into Smash until 7 years after her debut. Barring the fact that Pauline already existed as a minor character in the arcade Donkey Kong and Mvs.DK, Pauline getting into this Smash game would be more equivalent to Rosalina getting into Brawl, which certainly would not have been a possibility even if Galaxy had been out for long enough when they were developing Brawl. Spin-offs aren't necessarily a big factor in it, but I still don't think Pauline has a chance.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Jumping Spider on April 14, 2018, 03:03:32 PM
Technically neither of them, as I don't think the game would benefit fromhaving them as playable, they simply wouldn't be particularly good characters to have as fighters.
But if I have to pick I'd say Waluigi for various reasons:
1) Daisy would feel like a "spiced up Peach" whereas Waluigi would feel quite different from Wario (as he might be his opposite: fast on the ground but slow in the air)
2) He could attack using sport equipment like tennis rackets, golf clubs etc.(which ha already been suggested for Daisy); also according to Dancing Stage: Mario Mix, he's a great dancer so he might use dance moves for his light attacks, kinda like the Wii Fit trainer but dance-themed

Personally neither of the characters would be good smash newcomers, but if we were forced to pick one between the two then it's a no-brainer that Waluigi would be the better option.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on April 15, 2018, 04:42:57 PM
Suprised to see a Mario dedicated board against the idea. Well, I am happy that the Smash team is a lot more creative than you guys when it comes to character potential.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: BBQ Turtle on April 15, 2018, 06:22:38 PM
I'm not really sure, I'd much prefer to see Daisy in Smash, but I think Waluigi's more likely, so I haven't voted. To be honest though, I don't really think either of them have got much of a chance, I reckon Toad or Captain Toad is much more likely, and I'd actually prefer to see one of them in Smash, though I'm not necessarily sure whether we'd need another Mario character unless one gets dropped.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: YoshiFlutterJump on April 15, 2018, 06:27:07 PM
Waluigi needs to become playable, Daisy needs to stay as a Peach palette swap, and Lubba needs to become an assist character.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Alex95 on April 15, 2018, 06:31:12 PM
Suprised to see a Mario dedicated board against the idea. Well, I am happy that the Smash team is a lot more creative than you guys when it comes to character potential.

...Uh, the point of this thread is to ask who you personally want to see in Smash between Waluigi and Daisy. Surprised to see a Mario dedicated board against Daisy's inclusion? These aren't the Daisy Boards. It'd be more surprising if these were the Daisy Boards. I voted for Daisy myself, but I'm not at all surprised to see it's only you and me that have. Waluigi is clearly popular in the fandom, but so is Daisy, and in their own ways. Saying we're against "the idea" is a vague, broad, and honestly incorrect statement.

And whether the Smash team is more creative or not will be apparent once one of these characters actually enter the fray.

Lubba needs to become an assist character.

Only if I can still knock Assist Trophies off the stage.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on April 15, 2018, 06:57:14 PM
Well, I am happy that the Smash team is a lot more creative than you guys when it comes to character potential.
and that's why Daisy isn't likely going to be playable in Smash.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on April 15, 2018, 07:12:19 PM
I am happy that the Smash team is a lot more creative than you guys when it comes to character potential.

Ganondorf
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on April 15, 2018, 07:23:52 PM
To be fair, it's hard to be creative when you have to work overnight to meet a deadline in 13 months. Without breaks or holidays. AND Ganondorf was the last character for Melee. They had to cut corners here to satisfy fan demand.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Borp on April 15, 2018, 08:10:32 PM
I can make an entire game in 10 minutes, blindfolded, with my left arm tied behind my back.  :yoshi:
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: YoshiFlutterJump on April 16, 2018, 12:16:40 AM
I can make an entire game in 10 minutes, blindfolded, with my left arm tied behind my back.  :yoshi:
I dare you.  Make a game in 10 minutes, blindfolded, with one hand.  It can be as good or bad as you want it to be, just make it functional and I’ll take it.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on April 17, 2018, 11:44:44 AM
Well, I am happy that the Smash team is a lot more creative than you guys when it comes to character potential.
and that's why Daisy isn't likely going to be playable in Smash.

?

There is quite a bit you can do with Daisy.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on April 17, 2018, 11:47:56 AM
only a bit. And that bit isn't enough.

Too bad, Waluigi time.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on April 17, 2018, 03:35:06 PM
Daisy, by far, ain't a creative fighter Sakurai's team can come up with.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: The Terminator on April 17, 2018, 03:53:08 PM
Waluigi. Although I like Daisy more I think Waluigi has a better chance.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on April 17, 2018, 03:53:43 PM
Daisy, by far, ain't a creative fighter Sakurai's team can come up with.

Yes she is! Tomboy Flower Sports Princess! Waluigi has been treated less good than Daisy is in Japan by the way. And before you say Waluigi's assist trophy, may I remind you it was ported from Brawl and doesn't even have good animations? Meanwhile Daisy got four trophies and a special item trophy, plus loads of references to her in Smash 4 and even a Flower custom move for Peach!
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on April 17, 2018, 04:01:24 PM
These are all reaches. If she had sooooo much potential, surely the developers and their massive amount of creativity would be much more enthusiastic than using a Peach palette swap. You also wouldn't have everyone and their grandmothers being opposed to your ideas. Last time I checked, being a realist doesn't necessarily mean we're "less creative". People just don't like your ideas, but you keep pushing them and saying WE have a problem with it. But I repeat myself.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on April 17, 2018, 04:04:34 PM
These are all reaches. If she had sooooo much potential, surely the developers and their massive amount of creativity would be much more enthusiastic than using a Peach palette swap. You also wouldn't have everyone and their grandmothers being opposed to your ideas. Last time I checked, being a realist doesn't necessarily mean we're "less creative". People just don't like your ideas, but you keep pushing them and saying WE have a problem with it. But I repeat myself.

Maybe the new team at Namco did not have time to implement her, by deadlines. Many characters are cut that we don't know about. Also, everyone is opposed to my ideas because they probably just don't like the idea of Daisy potentially stealing all of Waluigi's thunder and sprinkling it in with her own unique flower seasoning.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on April 17, 2018, 04:04:50 PM
This topic is such a dead horse.

MM3 mind is a complete trainwreck, i mean how do you say ''Waluigi doesn't have good animations'' when Daisy wasn't even animated AT ALL? for example.

Im sorry but it's pretty delusional to pretend Daisy has been treated any good by Nintendo in any area, and while Waluigi isn't that far from her , there's a considerable gap in treatment within them , with Waluigi having more instances of being not only treated better, but also better recived by the public.

It's just how it is. Waluigi may not be my cup of tea, but he has uniqueness and likeability to some degree that Daisy doesn't exhibit, with her carbon copy Peach design and traits and annoying and ear piercing voice.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on April 17, 2018, 04:06:20 PM
Why is it that women suffer from the "carbon copy" trait but men don't? Waluigi is a skinny Wario in terms of personality. Daisy is not very much like Peach in this regard.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on April 17, 2018, 04:08:09 PM
you are reaching new peaks with your arguments.

Save the feminsm stuff for tumblr, it seems you have more than enough time to lurk on it.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on April 17, 2018, 04:22:56 PM
List of ways Daisy is similar to Peach

Similar dress design (Rosalina's dress was also based off Peach's)
A crown and jewellery (Guess who also has this, Rosalina)
Errr....body proportions (Rosalina basically shares their proportions but magnified a bit)


As you can see, I struggled to make a list on why Daisy is a Peach clone, and I know a lot about Daisy! Now, the differences.

Does not hide behind Toads, in fact, she is not afraid to mock them sometimes.
Extremely loud and brash compared to Peach's dainty and kinder mannerisms.
Orange vs Pink: More significant that you think. Designed to represent how the princesses contrast.
Diva vs Punk.
Hearts vs Plants and Flowers.
Daisy is not floaty, she is faster and more powerful. Funnily enough, Rosalina and Peach are more similar in this regard.
Completely different face and facial makeup. Funnily enough, Rosalina and Peach are even more similar in this regard.
Even when Peach trys to be sassy, she does not go the full way with it. Daisy does.



And this is me scratching the surface of the large, delicious orange fruit cake!  :daisy:

Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on April 17, 2018, 04:48:42 PM
List of ways Daisy is similar to Peach

Similar dress design (Rosalina's dress was also based off Peach's) Rosalina's final dress is nowhere similar to Peach's
A crown and jewellery (Guess who also has this, Rosalina) Rosalina's Crown and jewerly are more unique in color and shape.
Errr....body proportions (Rosalina basically shares their proportions but magnified a bit) Rosalina is curvier and bigger in general, Peach and Daisy have almost identical proportions with only Daisy being a tad shorter in higher poly games. In lower poly games such as MKDS Peach and Daisy share bone structure and body structure.


As you can see, I struggled to make a list on why Daisy is a Peach clone, and I know a lot about Daisy! Now, the differences.

Does not hide behind Toads, in fact, she is not afraid to mock them sometimes. She doesn't even have loyal servants nor anybody wanting to kidnap her because nobody cares for her to begin with.
Extremely loud and brash compared to Peach's dainty and kinder mannerisms. Daisy can also be just as girly and mild, and Peach can be just as rough and playful as portrayed in several games.
Orange vs Pink: More significant that you think. Designed to represent how the princesses contrast. Fun fact, both colours are extentions of red, all of them being warm colors.
Diva vs Punk. what?
Hearts vs Plants and Flowers. Plants and Flowers that are a complete copy paste to the original hearts Peach uses.
Daisy is not floaty, she is faster and more powerful. Funnily enough, Rosalina and Peach are more similar in this regard. Rosalina is more powerful than both, this point is irrelevant altogether.
Completely different face and facial makeup. Funnily enough, Rosalina and Peach are even more similar in this regard. Then again, Rosalina was suppoused to be related to Peach, hence their similar facial features. But Daisy, who was a complete Peach ripoff not too long ago was never even intended to be, and the reason she looked so much like Peach was because she was a bootleg Peach.
Even when Peach trys to be sassy, she does not go the full way with it. Daisy does. ''all the way'' Peach struts her stuff towards the camera often in Strikers, which displays more sassyness than Daisy's fake persona.



And this is me scratching the surface of the large, delicious orange fruit cake!  :daisy:

zzzzZZZZzzzzz
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Marie on April 17, 2018, 07:16:49 PM
Anybody else having deja vu? For like, the twentieth time? ;)
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Robo Mario on April 17, 2018, 08:42:52 PM
Well...



--

Jokes aside, honestly I wish I could root for both just so both the Waluigi fans and Daisy fans can both be happy. I hate to see someone being bummed that their favorite character didn't make the cut. : /

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*inevitable pedantic joke about wording of "being in Smash Switch"*

But why would they be inside a smashed light switch?
Sorry.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on April 17, 2018, 09:07:29 PM
Maybe the new team at Namco did not have time to implement her, by deadlines. Many characters are cut that we don't know about. Also, everyone is opposed to my ideas because they probably just don't like the idea of Daisy potentially stealing all of Waluigi's thunder and sprinkling it in with her own unique flower seasoning.
Maybe Nacmo simply doesn't want Daisy. Have you ever thought of that?

And everyone is opposed to your ideas because they believe Daisy is not a good choice as a standalone playable character in a game that's powered by fan demand and scarce resources and strict deadlines. Not because we're secret Waluigi supporters. Have you seen the first few posts in the thread?

I only went for Waluigi because he's a lesser of an evils option and I think his moveset is far more interesting given Waluigi's quirky nature (roses, swimming through the air, vine whips, arguably not a boring design). Waluigi is generally the more well-known of the spinoff crew, so if there has to be someone who borrows from Mario spinoffs, it'll be Waluigi.

Jokes aside, honestly I wish I could root for both just so both the Waluigi fans and Daisy fans can both be happy. I hate to see someone being bummed that their favorite character didn't make the cut. : /

--

*inevitable pedantic joke about wording of "being in Smash Switch"*

But why would they be inside a smashed light switch?
Sorry.
I don't like seeing Daisy getting shafted but I don't like it when some fans can't just get over it and keep pushing and pushing when we don't ask for it and even go far to question our motives (you just hate women) and intelligence (smash dev. team is not creatively bankrupt like you guys) 'cause they don't think there's anything wrong with their position, but they think there is something wrong when people disagree.

What do you get when you combine "Smash" and "Switch"?

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/d/d4/SmashCompactor_DryBones.png)

Pancakes.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on April 18, 2018, 04:11:38 AM
If Dark Pit and Lucina were not a problem in Smash 4, then I do not see why Daisy would be a problem. She is definitely more popular than Dark Pit is. Also, who says Waluigi will take that, when Nintendo has shown that they prefer Daisy to represent flowers and sports already in 2016-2018?!?!

Plus, I think Waluigi is too weird and lanky to properly represent the competitve, straight-laced nature of many sports games. Daisy’s design is cartoony enough yet she is friendly, competitive, enthusiastic nature fits extremely well.

Oh, and if you are shilling for Toad, let’s see what he can do then that stands out. Because even Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker showed that he is inept as a character.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Alex95 on April 18, 2018, 09:20:51 AM
She is definitely more popular than Dark Pit is.

I dunno, man, Pittoo's pretty popular in the Kid Icarus fandom.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on April 18, 2018, 09:27:55 AM
Except they kinda were a problem?

Last i checked, Smash 4 fanbase hate DP and Lucina's guts and only give Doctor Mario a pass because MUH MELEE CHARACTERS.

All 3 have been established as clones that were easy to make so they made it in for the base game.

Daisy not being in the game not even as a Peach clone/semi clone simply means that they don't care about her, it's pretty self explanatory.

Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on April 18, 2018, 03:22:18 PM
If Dark Pit and Lucina were not a problem in Smash 4, then I do not see why Daisy would be a problem.
The gameplay difference between Dark Pit and Pit is one move and a Final Smash.

The gameplay differences between Lucina and Marth are mere attack property changes.

If developers could make a good Daisy skin over Peach which is not too dissimilar from those two, you'd somehow find that a problem.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on April 19, 2018, 10:52:17 AM


Daisy could never.

the end
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on April 26, 2018, 01:23:32 AM
Sigh... I've grown long tired of this debate. I've repeatedly stated my two cents about why and how Daisy could be a completely separate character from Peach in terms of a moveset, but I guess I'll say it again.

Peach's moveset comes from Super Mario Bros. 2 and Super Mario RPG. She floats, she uses turnips, and she uses her frying pan. She also uses Toad, one of her subjects.
Daisy does not float. She has never dealt with turnips. She does not have Toad subjects. To say she would be a Peach clone is absurd once these facts are taken into account.

But in the same way that Peach's moveset is based on her games, Daisy could have her moveset based around the Super Mario Land games, instead of just spin-offs that everyone thinks is the only thing she could do. I mean, the enemies you fight in the first Land game are her brainwashed subjects, right? I can see Daisy throwing a Ganchan to pack a wallop. She could also make use of the Super Ball, since it's exclusive to her kingdom. Her Final Smash could involve the Sky Pop. There are those strange, secret rising platforms in some levels that could end up as her recovery. There are so many other possibilities that people don't take into account. I don't know if it's because they're so adamantly against Daisy, or if it's just an innocent slip of the mind. Either way, repeating myself gets old.

However, I am doubtful that either Daisy or Waluigi are going to get into this upcoming Smash game, unless they come in as DLC for 2019 and 2020, respectively. I've also discussed their respective upcoming anniversaries before. Putting characters in Smash is a big deal. It feel like it'd be something to do for Daisy's 30th anniversary (2019) or Waluigi's 20th anniversary (2020), because it'd be a big deal for the respective characters overall.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on April 26, 2018, 09:53:42 AM
the biggest flaw on your proposal is that Peach's abilities are taken from games in not only where she was present, but she actually did all of those things.

Daisy didn't do *bleep* in SML, so it makes no sense for her to use anything related to that game when unlike Peach, she never did anything at all.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on April 26, 2018, 02:50:34 PM
Mind you they could easily just make up some nonsense like they did for Captain Falcon.

However I don't think they will.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Qayin on April 26, 2018, 02:51:49 PM
Captain Falcon's moveset is one big Japanese superhero reference (namely Kamen Rider).
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: GalacticPetey on April 26, 2018, 03:00:23 PM
Moveset potential is never a detracting factor. As we've seen with Falcon, ROB, and the Wii Fit Trainer, just about anyone can have a moveset.

What's stopping Daisy is the fact that she's simply not important enough to be in the game. That's it. If she was actually integral to the Mario franchise as in the case of someone like Toad, then maybe she would have a chance.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on April 26, 2018, 03:04:08 PM
Well, I would argue that neither Rosalina or Bowser jr are all that integral to the franchise at large.

That being said I have no problem with them being there.

Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: GalacticPetey on April 26, 2018, 03:06:39 PM
Bowser Jr's practically the secondary anatgonist of the franchise at this point, and Rosalina has been playable in a platformer, and had a role in one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time, Super Mario Galaxy.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on April 26, 2018, 03:12:31 PM
And hasn't appeared in a main 3D Mario platformer in almost a decade.

And Rosalina beyond her appearance in 3D world hasn't appeared since.

Both of them are largely spin off fodder these days and while they could easily reappear, their absence in recent titles shows that they could easily not be there and the games could still turn out great.

My reasoning for not wanting Daisy in smash is irrelevant to importance or movesets or whatever, I find her incredibly dull and often forget she even exists.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on April 26, 2018, 03:21:46 PM
Bowser Jr. is not only a big part of Sunshine , but also basically the most recurring main antagonist besides Bowser in the New Super Mario Bros games.

Hello? The clown car is there for a reason with him.

Rosalina is basically the face of SMG , as she is the first character to come to everybody's mind when remembering that game.

both of those factors plus popularity and moveset potential was what made them playable.

3D World didn't do anything in Rosalina's favor as all her aesthetic , moveset and presense was made to represent and reference Galaxy , not 3D World. There's not a single thing Rosalina takes from 3D World into Smash 4, all her stuff is representative of Super Mario Galaxy even her winning tune is from SMG.

They simply got in for a variety of factors that allowed them to, and those factors are something Daisy lacks.

Daisy doesn't have the same popularity, moveset potential or a good reason to join as she doesn't represent anything distinct in the entire franchise.

This is why Waluigi has more chances, because he is Camelot's mascot and makes sense to represent the spin off games , most prominently the sports ones.

Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on April 26, 2018, 03:26:25 PM
I'm aware of what their roles are. I still wouldn't call them integral.

But I have absolutely no issue with them being there. I just don't want anymore Mario characters in smash bros after that.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on April 26, 2018, 03:31:10 PM
I honestly wonder how they will handle that.

It's because both Mario and Pokemon have way too many characters,

I know Pokemon will cut some to add new representatives ... but what about Mario? Who will they cut , if they cut anybody?

Maybe Doctor Mario since it's clear Rosalina and Bowser Jr aren't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on April 26, 2018, 03:34:34 PM
Well Dr Mario is just a quick clone so he could easily be cut.

Barring a few exceptions like Ice Climbers or Mewtwo it's usually clones who get cut.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: GalacticPetey on April 26, 2018, 03:48:52 PM
Well Dr Mario is just a quick clone so he could easily be cut.
If anything, this is reason not to cut him. He takes so little development time they hardly have to sacrifice anything to include him.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on April 26, 2018, 04:02:35 PM
Well Dr Mario is just a quick clone so he could easily be cut.
If anything, this is reason not to cut him. He takes so little development time they hardly have to sacrifice anything to include him.

but MUH SLOT FOR MORE DESERVING CHARACTURSSSSS LIKE DEIZYYY
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on April 26, 2018, 04:39:25 PM
I just want Toad and Baby Mario and Baby Luigi
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on April 26, 2018, 06:38:52 PM
I just want Baby Luigi and Baby Luigi and Baby Luigi[/s]

Fixed for what your heart TRULY wants.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on April 26, 2018, 07:18:48 PM
[Waluigi] is Camelot's mascot
I wasn't aware of this fact.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Alex95 on April 26, 2018, 07:23:57 PM
Just put in Wadaisy. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on April 26, 2018, 08:32:59 PM
I just want Baby Luigi and Baby Luigi and Baby Luigi[/s]

Fixed for what your heart TRULY wants.

Baby Luigi
Baby Luigi in a diaper
My Baby Luigi OC and 5 more
Russian Baby Luigi

Any more Baby Luigis I need to be aware of?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on April 27, 2018, 12:04:30 AM
Hideous Cartoon Baby Luigi
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on April 27, 2018, 10:13:45 AM
[Waluigi] is Camelot's mascot
I wasn't aware of this fact.

it's not an official thing but being real Waluigi is one, if not the best treated character in Tennis and Golf.

He along with Wario got the GCN movies in both games and Waluigi is one of the most exposed characters in the new Aces game. The whole cinematic of N64 also was about Waluigi and Wario so i guess they kinda like him a tad bit.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on April 27, 2018, 12:25:12 PM
Hideous Cartoon Baby Luigi
You mean this?

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/7/71/Toddler_Terrors_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on April 27, 2018, 02:28:17 PM
Yes, and that's not Baby Luigi. If he was Baby Luigi, he would have gotten his own section in Baby Luigi's article in MarioWiki.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on April 27, 2018, 03:25:07 PM
(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/thumb/1/1e/NCS_Family_Album.jpg/410px-NCS_Family_Album.jpg)

how about this baby luigi
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on April 27, 2018, 03:31:58 PM
I want to go into a huge rant on why the hell do they portray Mario has babies and still give them that mustache as if their audience is too idiotic to realize that it's Mario and Luigi despite all the other signs pointing that it's them, that a mustache always looks terrible on a baby like how they do it, that lay people who see me with Baby Luigi still automatically recognize him as Luigi, that I hate those depictions so much

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT




I. DI. GRESS.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Toadgamer on April 27, 2018, 04:04:07 PM
Quote from: The Family Album
Mario was born with a full head of hair

Poor Mario... He must have been bullied in school..
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on April 27, 2018, 04:23:39 PM
Or kids might think having a mustache is great and all. But I don't know how boys work. Mysterious creatures.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Forde on April 28, 2018, 12:17:08 AM
I had a mustache since sixth grade, and no one else in class had one, so they were impressed.

That includes both girls and boys.

I was pretty popular back then.

Edit: But dat Baby Luigi tho. Not hideous, but still.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on May 06, 2018, 07:22:56 AM
How does Mario have too many characters? It is Nintendo’s most popular franchise with a lot of potentially viable characters. In fact Mario takes up less of the roster in ratio than it did in previous games, and of course people want more Mario characters because they like those characters, not to fill in a stupid quota. Why do you think we got 6 Fire Emblem characters?

Also, I do not think the “Daisy is not important, so she shouldn’t be in Smash” thing holds up well at all. It kind of did in Melee and Brawl but in 2018 it certainly does not. Otherwise, we would not see Daisy playable in many games now or get an amiibo, or even get multiple references and a nice Mii hat in Smash 4. Clearly there are people out there who like to play as her. And Nintendo has data to back that up.

May I also remind you of this.


(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/nintendo/images/a/a8/Miitopia_-_amiibo_Costumes.png/revision/latest?cb=20170620081336&path-prefix=en)

See how Nintendo picked important and popular characters only? The fact that Daisy is considered to be one of the Nintendo All Star characters of the modern era fares extremely well for her chances.

Also, Toad is an all-star, but let us be brtually honest. Toad is a mook character, one with characteristics that directly contradict with Smash.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on May 06, 2018, 08:03:35 AM
By your on logic Peach shouldnt be in Smash either because she really doesnt do much in most of her appearences and its certainly not a fighter type in most of her main games ... but there she is.

Funny how you are so quick to dismiss Toad, who has his own game, but somehow give Daisy a pass , who has never done *bleep* ever. In the games Daisy has abilities, the other characters do as well, and in her few main game apperences she doesn't do *bleep* either.

This is why the Daisy case is never gonna come to light, it's just so hyporcrititcal in all angles.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on May 06, 2018, 09:19:41 AM
By your on logic Peach shouldnt be in Smash either because she really doesnt do much in most of her appearences and its certainly not a fighter type in most of her main games ... but there she is.

Funny how you are so quick to dismiss Toad, who has his own game, but somehow give Daisy a pass , who has never done *bleep* ever. In the games Daisy has abilities, the other characters do as well, and in her few main game apperences she doesn't do *bleep* either.

This is why the Daisy case is never gonna come to light, it's just so hyporcrititcal in all angles.

Well in Captain Toad, Toad’s very own adventure, he has very little to go off that would translate well to a Smash fighter.

Meanwhile, Princess Daisy is consistently shown to have the power to manipulate flowers and plantlife (something that the rest of the Mario cast doesn’t do), is a strong, independent woman, and can do all sorts of things in sport games! Meanwhile, in those same games, Toad is in the sidelines commentating or being a lowly sidekick like the Goomba.

Aside from his red outfit, his most notable feature is probably...well...his distinct lack of notable features - Nintendo.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Shy Guy on Wheels on May 06, 2018, 09:30:08 AM
Aside from his red outfit, his most notable feature is probably...well...his distinct lack of notable features - Nintendo.
Link to source?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on May 06, 2018, 09:47:43 AM
That's the description from the Red Toad in Star Rush which is an intentional gag given the fact that the main mode involves all characters using colored Toads.

Reaching as usual mm3, how come you didnt post the original Toad's description...

"A hardworking gent with a heart of gold and an easygoing disposition. Truly a friend to all."

Can we give the argument a rest? This just further proves that your bias againts Toad is pure BS.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on May 06, 2018, 07:00:56 PM
How does Mario have too many characters? It is Nintendo’s most popular franchise with a lot of potentially viable characters. In fact Mario takes up less of the roster in ratio than it did in previous games, and of course people want more Mario characters because they like those characters, not to fill in a stupid quota. Why do you think we got 6 Fire Emblem characters?

Yep, that's why Toad should get in, right?

Also, I do not think the “Daisy is not important, so she shouldn’t be in Smash” thing holds up well at all. It kind of did in Melee and Brawl but in 2018 it certainly does not. Otherwise, we would not see Daisy playable in many games now or get an amiibo, or even get multiple references and a nice Mii hat in Smash 4. Clearly there are people out there who like to play as her. And Nintendo has data to back that up.

See how Nintendo picked important and popular characters only? The fact that Daisy is considered to be one of the Nintendo All Star characters of the modern era fares extremely well for her chances.

Daisy is not an important Mario character, much less, an important Nintendo character, which you seem to be forgetting that Smash Bros. is a celebration of Nintendo franchises (and some 3rd party weirdos but that's another argument), not only Mario.

From your chart that is ridiculously bloated up in size for whatever, reason, characters like K. K. Slider and Mr. Resetti and a goddang squid were included. Also, I think people would be more than happy to play as those following characters too, considering all of them have their own amiibo.

Also, Toad is an all-star, but let us be brtually honest. Toad is a mook character, one with characteristics that directly contradict with Smash.

Toad has all the qualities Daisy has, except he's order of magnitude more important to the Mario franchise than Daisy is, and actually, I think it's pretty sad that this so-called mook character that you're degenerating is actually more important than this named character you're fetishizing about.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on May 07, 2018, 03:18:51 AM
Meanwhile, Princess Daisy is consistently shown to have the power to manipulate flowers and plantlife (something that the rest of the Mario cast doesn’t do), is a strong, independent woman, and can do all sorts of things in sport games!
She's a playable character in the sports games, of course they'll have to give her some arbitrary power that'll be associated with her; what do you think they're going to do, make her shoot fire / hearts / rainbows / bananas?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on May 07, 2018, 09:10:45 AM
It is a good thing that K.K Slider and Mr Resetti are iconic Nintendo characters.

Oh and Inkling Squid was confirmed for Smash. You argument falls flat. All hail Daisy!  :daisy:
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on May 07, 2018, 10:33:04 AM
I mean the only thing left to say is that this is why is both so hard to be nice and so hard to not to let people like this ruin Daisy for me.

It's not even about the characters anymore, it's like how do you have such a disconection from reality and refuse to see what's real.

To be honest Daisy might be or not in the next game given that being real pretty much everybody else is already in the game , and thats the only way Daisy can show up , if everybody and their grandma is in , same with Waluigi but in the end it's highly likely she doesnt because she is simply not as important as the characters already included as playable.

You can argue her relevance to the series, which is really little since she serves as a filler character in 99% of her appearences rather than doing something else or having depth , but in the end this whole mentality of ''all hail Daisy'' is simply toxic.

Now i find funny that someone made a joke about me being the ''Rosalina'' counterpart of this guy, like i have never in my life forced Rosalina in anybody's throat , i simply just argue against what i personaly consider is not a fact like saying ''Rosalina is not important'' or ''Rosalina is not powerful'' because those statements are simply hilarious and to a simple extent , complety wrong and should be called out.

All in all, what im trying to say is that this is the prime example in my personal opinion, on how you ruin a character for everybody else.

I highly believe that this ''Daisy is trash'' bandwagon was originated because of the people that simply wanna force Daisy into everybody and that's simply not happening, i mean not even Nintendo does this.

And Btw, both of those animal crossing characters can hardly be considered iconic to Nintendo as a whole. Animal Crossing is not that obscure but it's clearly not one of Nintendo's ''golden'' series like Mario, Zelda, Dk, Metroid or even Fire Emblem at this day.

--------

In other words, no most of us still don't want Daisy and in my personal case , it's mostly because i don't see her potential because it is a fact that 99% she behaves and does things like Peach does, just with a different body and a loud voice that irritates everybody.

I wish i could like Daisy like i did before, but that aint happening i guess.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on May 07, 2018, 11:48:02 AM
Animal Crossing New Leaf sold 10 million units...it is one of Nintendo’s golden franchises. It is Mario, Splatoon Zelda and Animal Crossing. Metroid is lower tier.

Oh, and I will argue that we may have already found out that Daisy is confirmed to be playable...watch out for my upcoming article!

Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on May 07, 2018, 12:06:39 PM
Whatever you say tbh. Satan could be playable or not like i said.

Waluigi still has a bigger chance than her if it gets to that point, i guess we'll see soon.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: yeeeet on May 07, 2018, 02:19:10 PM
Animal Crossing New Leaf sold 10 million units...it is one of Nintendo’s golden franchises. It is Mario, Splatoon Zelda and Animal Crossing. Metroid is lower tier.

Oh, and I will argue that we may have already found out that Daisy is confirmed to be playable...watch out for my upcoming article!

(https://i.imgur.com/WYGPYXo.png)

(https://smashboards.com/attachments/screen-shot-2018-04-08-at-2-26-19-am-png.141007/)

(https://smashboards.com/attachments/screen-shot-2018-04-08-at-11-00-48-pm-png.141009/)

Hey mm3, people over at resetera discord were making fun of you again when one of them realized that you your alt over at smashboards was banned.


I remember you were upset over her not getting an amiibo costume in mk8 DX. so since you have been doing this 2014/2015. I do hope she gets into smash/mainline game so you can relax because the bullying you keep tanking across the internet is just painful to watch.  apparently you tried to quit and came back a few days later? yikes

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3y5hoe/while_the_mods_of_rnintendo_take_a_break_for/

Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on May 07, 2018, 02:23:27 PM
You give Daisy fans like me a bad rep, memoryman.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on May 07, 2018, 02:40:41 PM
Oh ... i guess *bleep* just got real.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/gSRkSblDEjUuk/giphy.gif)

in reference to pissing in the cardtridge comment btw.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on May 07, 2018, 03:22:59 PM
It is a good thing that K.K Slider and Mr Resetti are iconic Nintendo characters.

Yeah, they're more iconic than Daisy is, that's for sure.

Oh and Inkling Squid was confirmed for Smash. You argument falls flat.

Weren't earlier on, you were *bleep*ting your pants because Inklings were in Smash over Daisy?

Also, you need to stop fetishizing amiibo too.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on May 07, 2018, 04:11:34 PM
I lose my internet for just one weekend and I come back to a disaster.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on May 07, 2018, 04:13:53 PM
Quote
(https://smashboards.com/attachments/screen-shot-2018-04-08-at-2-26-19-am-png.141007/)

Dont mean to stir this up even more but this is really so funny, i mean i had a good laught just by reading this.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on May 07, 2018, 04:16:54 PM
I lose my internet for just one weekend and I come back to a disaster.

I'm sorry about my posts. I'll leave the forum now.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on May 07, 2018, 04:23:30 PM
I'm sorry about my posts. I'll leave the forum now.

Nah you can stay. I like your company.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on May 07, 2018, 04:54:41 PM
How do I mute a thread?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on May 07, 2018, 05:09:30 PM
Dont reply to it.

I will try to do the same because it's like well , there's nothing to really discuss anymore tbh.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Nintygames on May 19, 2018, 11:15:29 AM
I voted Waluigi. Putting my biased aside, I believe that he has a much better chance. Also, that memoryman3 is delusional if he thinks Daisy has a better chance than Waluigi. I mean come on, he he has an assist trophy, he actually appears in the game while daisy just gets mere references from trophies you can only see in the trophy gallery!

In fact, I realize that in the spin offs (such as Mario sports mix, Mario golf and tennis on gc, ect) that he gets far more attention in the cgi intros than Daisy does. They actually do something with him due to his outlandish personality. Daisy is just...there in the background.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Toadgamer on May 19, 2018, 01:27:30 PM
I mean, many things show that Waluigi is better than Daisy:

-In Smash, at least he appeared in person, but not Daisy!
-He gets a costume in Odyssey!
-Daisy's not really appreciated, it's 100% the opposite.
-Even in Paper Mario TTYD he gets a costume. Daisy's not even mentioned there or in Odyssey.

So that's what I conclude:

 :waluigi:> :daisy:
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on May 19, 2018, 01:33:09 PM
Eh, it's like comparing 2 pieces of *bleep* if you ask me.

Sure one might be less disgusting than the other but at the end of the day neither are enjoyable to be around.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Shy Guy on Wheels on May 19, 2018, 01:33:28 PM
I mean, many things show that Waluigi is better than Daisy:

-In Smash, at least he appeared in person, but not Daisy!
-He gets a costume in Odyssey!
-Daisy's not really appreciated, it's 100% the opposite.
-Even in Paper Mario TTYD he gets a costume. Daisy's not even mentioned there or in Odyssey.

So that's what I conclude:

 :waluigi:> :daisy:
-Daisy actually appears in Mario Kart 7 as a playable character unlike Waluigi, who only gets a retro track.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Toadgamer on May 19, 2018, 01:35:45 PM
Yeah, but Waluigi has a lot more advantages and success, and he's not useless.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: The Mafia Boss on May 19, 2018, 02:04:37 PM
I still believe Waluigi has a better chance.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on May 19, 2018, 02:28:13 PM
Yeah, but Waluigi has a lot more advantages and success, and he's not useless.

Nah he's pretty useless.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Nintygames on May 19, 2018, 03:20:05 PM
I mean, many things show that Waluigi is better than Daisy:

-In Smash, at least he appeared in person, but not Daisy!
-He gets a costume in Odyssey!
-Daisy's not really appreciated, it's 100% the opposite.
-Even in Paper Mario TTYD he gets a costume. Daisy's not even mentioned there or in Odyssey.

So that's what I conclude:

 :waluigi:> :daisy:
-Daisy actually appears in Mario Kart 7 as a playable character unlike Waluigi, who only gets a retro track.

I knew someone was going to bring this up. That was a mistake on Nintendo’s part. He was supposed to be in that game but Nintendo rushed the game out. Waluigi was in the gba tennis game while Daisy was not, so there even.

Edit: Daisy also wasn’t in the gba golf one either. I guess you can pretend Azalea is Daisy.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Shy Guy on Wheels on May 19, 2018, 03:24:38 PM
I knew someone was going to bring this up. That was a mistake on Nintendo’s part. He was supposed to be in that game but Nintendo rushed the game out.
Source?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Nintygames on May 19, 2018, 03:39:40 PM
I knew someone was going to bring this up. That was a mistake on Nintendo’s part. He was supposed to be in that game but Nintendo rushed the game out.
Source?

I read about it awhile back on wikipedia.

“However, he did not appear in Mario Kart 7, explained by Yasuyuki Oyagi (one of the game's directors) as due to time constraints,[8] but reappeared as a playable character in Mario Kart 8.”
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on May 19, 2018, 03:43:29 PM
That 8 is a source. May we see the source?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Shy Guy on Wheels on May 19, 2018, 03:56:50 PM
I looked at the Waluigi page on Wikipedia, the reference leads straight back to this forum.

Here’s the post:
Thought Id put this here. I emailed Yasuyuki Oyagi regarding Waluigi's possible omission and a few other things a month ago.

I finally got a reply back:

Hello Chris,
Waluigi's omission from Mario Kart 7 was a hard one for us here at Nintendo. It was due to the time constraints associated with the Christmas deadline for the game. Rest assured Waluigi will be making further appearances in the Mario series for at least the next few years. Also understand some characters, such as Waluigi, are more expendable then others and space was limited. The game needed Bowser, DK, Wario and it didnt need the few expendable characters that we here consider "cult classics". We needed a balance between new racers and our standards. Also, regarding Wario as an unlockable character for future games, that will not happen. This was a one-time instance to pay tribute to the SNES original and nothing more. Koopa Kid is retired.

Yasuyuki Oyagi

Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on May 19, 2018, 04:04:11 PM
Oh yeah, my uncle works at Nintendo. I'm not believing that.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on May 19, 2018, 04:06:05 PM
My dad did actually briefly work for Nintendo.

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Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on May 19, 2018, 04:09:28 PM
i never believed that post because even if they indeed said that here's a fact:

Time and resources went into Wiggler, Shy Guy , Honey Queen, Lakitu and Rosalina aka characters not present in MKDS

And none of those characters are clones. Matter of fact, it has been proven that in both 7 and DS, you can make Luigi and Daisy out of Mario's and Peach's bone structures and meshes , so its useless. So they not only prefered to favor those other characters but also could have make Waluigi more or less since characters like Mario , Luigi , Peach and Daisy do not take the same effort as making Bowser for example.

Bottom line is that if they really wanted Waluigi , he could have easily been in the game since the start but they clearly didn't consider him a priority over the above characters so he was ultimately cut.

That's logic and you don't need a straight source to figure that out.

However i will still say that he has a better boat than Daisy, who is always disliked heavily and not supported greatly. At least he appears in Smash actively and thats more than Daisy has ever gotten since melee so he always had an advantage, whether you like it or not
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Marie on May 19, 2018, 05:37:39 PM
I feel like one of Waluigi's biggest advantages over Daisy as far as being added in Smash is that there's so many people who want him in and so few who want Daisy. Since Smash Switch's announcment, a vast majority of wanted newcomer lists that I've seen have Waluigi, and I've seen very few with Daisy.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on May 19, 2018, 05:52:56 PM
dear lord, how many times will that forum post be cited? I had to get rid of the cocking thing in mariowiki several times too
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on May 19, 2018, 06:01:14 PM
I wish I could be cited for facts that I just pulled out of my ass.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Nintygames on May 20, 2018, 09:12:01 AM
I feel like one of Waluigi's biggest advantages over Daisy as far as being added in Smash is that there's so many people who want him in and so few who want Daisy. Since Smash Switch's announcment, a vast majority of wanted newcomer lists that I've seen have Waluigi, and I've seen very few with Daisy.

Exactly! Waluigi is more wanted! I’ve seen him listed on many people’s most wanted list.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on May 22, 2018, 03:30:49 AM
i never believed that post because even if they indeed said that here's a fact:

Time and resources went into Wiggler, Shy Guy , Honey Queen, Lakitu and Rosalina aka characters not present in MKDS

And none of those characters are clones. Matter of fact, it has been proven that in both 7 and DS, you can make Luigi and Daisy out of Mario's and Peach's bone structures and meshes , so its useless. So they not only prefered to favor those other characters but also could have make Waluigi more or less since characters like Mario , Luigi , Peach and Daisy do not take the same effort as making Bowser for example.

Bottom line is that if they really wanted Waluigi , he could have easily been in the game since the start but they clearly didn't consider him a priority over the above characters so he was ultimately cut.

That's logic and you don't need a straight source to figure that out.

However i will still say that he has a better boat than Daisy, who is always disliked heavily and not supported greatly. At least he appears in Smash actively and thats more than Daisy has ever gotten since melee so he always had an advantage, whether you like it or not

Rosalina was also made out of Peach’s bone structure
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: NEXandGBX on May 22, 2018, 06:18:31 AM
If we had to have another Mario rep I'd pick Toad, but after skimming his wiki page again I realized there's not really a lot of Toad-specific moves you could attribute to him. Like, there's the pickaxe from CTTT, power ups because Toad Houses, and...that's about all I can think of. Peach already does the turnip throwing thing.

Waluigi's got all sorts of games to pull moves from. Even if you exclude ones that are already referenced in other character's moves, there's stuff like the Party series, Strikers, Sports Mix, etc. to use. His bizarre proportions could also shape him up to be a really unique fighter. My main problem is that I don't think he's really relevant enough. I'd rather he appears in a Wario game or something first before making his way to Smash.

Daisy's a bit of a similar concept in my eyes. Mixing stuff from various spin-offs and Super Mario Land could gives her interesting moveset potential. She may not have the unique proportions of Waluigi, but I could see her movement being like a faster and not-as-floaty Peach. She has it better in relevancy, but not by much and I still think other characters would get in over her.

Regardless, I think Mario representation is fine as is and wouldn't complain about none of these three making the cut.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on May 22, 2018, 08:25:01 AM
i never believed that post because even if they indeed said that here's a fact:

Time and resources went into Wiggler, Shy Guy , Honey Queen, Lakitu and Rosalina aka characters not present in MKDS

And none of those characters are clones. Matter of fact, it has been proven that in both 7 and DS, you can make Luigi and Daisy out of Mario's and Peach's bone structures and meshes , so its useless. So they not only prefered to favor those other characters but also could have make Waluigi more or less since characters like Mario , Luigi , Peach and Daisy do not take the same effort as making Bowser for example.

Bottom line is that if they really wanted Waluigi , he could have easily been in the game since the start but they clearly didn't consider him a priority over the above characters so he was ultimately cut.

That's logic and you don't need a straight source to figure that out.

However i will still say that he has a better boat than Daisy, who is always disliked heavily and not supported greatly. At least he appears in Smash actively and thats more than Daisy has ever gotten since melee so he always had an advantage, whether you like it or not

Rosalina was also made out of Peach’s bone structure

Nope. Rosalina's bone structure is always gonna be more complex no matter the game. In lower poly games like Mk7 Rosalina's bone structure still have a more elborated hair part because she has loose hair and its animated even in Mk7.

In games such as Mario Party Star Rush Rosalina even has special sets for her sleeves to be animated as well as for her bang in Mario Party 10.

And this is even more complex as the games goes.

The thing is that Rosalina's whole structure will never be the same as either Peach or Daisy because she happens to always be bigger and this is why you can swap animations in MKWii between Peach and Daisy but it doesn't work on Rosalina .
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on May 22, 2018, 08:56:52 AM
Are we really arguing bone structure now?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on May 22, 2018, 09:56:30 AM
it's not even an argument, it is a fact.

My point wasnt even exclusive to Daisy, mm3 is just being extra for no reason.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on May 22, 2018, 02:32:15 PM
If we had to have another Mario rep I'd pick Toad, but after skimming his wiki page again I realized there's not really a lot of Toad-specific moves you could attribute to him. Like, there's the pickaxe from CTTT, power ups because Toad Houses, and...that's about all I can think of. Peach already does the turnip throwing thing.
Mario Sports Mix has him summoning mushrooms. He can also use triple Mushrooms to maybe increase his speed. He can use his break-dance from Mario Strikers or something. He can also maybe release spores.

On the other hand, what does the Luigi Missile, Mario's cape (how it's used), the Bowser slam thing, the Egg Roll, the DK whirlwind thing, or the Peach Bomb have to do with the games, I dunno.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on May 22, 2018, 07:23:39 PM
Rosalina was also made out of Peach’s bone structure

lol do you have any idea what you're talking about

do you realize how easy it is to modify bone structures to accommodate for different characters? especially for characters as similar across each other as peach, daisy, and rosalina?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: The Mafia Boss on May 22, 2018, 08:08:56 PM
Are we seriously arguing about BONE STRUCTURE?

My guys. It all relies in what talents they have and if they're original.


Wall-uigi is a good move, and an original one as well.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on May 22, 2018, 10:57:55 PM
Toad is an original character and he has good moves too. So there.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: 09: Luigi on June 12, 2018, 01:08:43 PM
Well...

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Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on June 12, 2018, 02:15:31 PM
It was my wish, too.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on June 12, 2018, 02:18:19 PM
Waluigi would be still stuck as an Assist Trophy
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Builder Mario on June 12, 2018, 02:27:22 PM
Waluigi :'(

Not even mentioned verbally, just casually denied in the sizzle reel of assist trophies. Disrespectful, especially considering he IS a more popular request than Daisy.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on June 12, 2018, 02:31:12 PM
I am dying of laughter right now.

I didn't want it, I think it's a rubbish inclusion but it's just making me laugh my ass off.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Forde on June 12, 2018, 02:55:01 PM
Well, how do I put this?

At least Waluigi is not out of Smash, even though he could have potentially been a great addition to the roster. But, at the same time, Daisy fans got what they wanted, so we can be at peace, and everbody wins!
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on June 12, 2018, 03:27:06 PM
I remember memoryman getting pissy over the idea of Daisy being an alt of Peach so I can't say all of them are satisfied.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on June 12, 2018, 04:18:05 PM
But, at the same time, Daisy fans got what they wanted, so we can be at peace, and everbody wins!
I'm not so sure there will be peace. I don't doubt there will be some hostility somewhere on the internet. Fandom rivalries don't die.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 12, 2018, 05:21:57 PM
to be honest its cool Daisy got in somehow

But its even funnier that no matter what a certain someone said ... this is NOT what they wanted.

They are awfuly quiet , why?

Because Daisy was basically confirmed a Peach clone today and that's the only way she got in. Granted, not hate to Daisy , i like her aesthetic this time around and looks cool but this is like MK8 all over again.

Between an unique character and a clone ... who would made it in easier?

Daisy is officialy the Pink Gold Peach of Smash , and that's hysterical tbh.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on June 12, 2018, 05:27:52 PM
Daisy is officialy the Pink Gold Peach of Smash , and that's hysterical tbh.

And that is why I laughed my ass off when she was revealed.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 12, 2018, 05:30:07 PM
Mario in a lab coat is less of a clone to Mario than Daisy is to Peach.

Think about that.

(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/b/b0/Dr.MarioPose3WiiU.gif)
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on June 12, 2018, 05:32:23 PM
I don't need to repeat what I said about how she could have incorporated Sarasaland items and her subjects in her moveset.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Weasel on June 12, 2018, 05:34:43 PM
sorry waluigi

there's only room for one ugly purple mofo
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 12, 2018, 05:36:50 PM
exactly

Even characters who are not really separated as characters have their own ID.

The only characters treated as clones are Pitto, Lucina and Daisy and we all know people hated the guts of the former two.

Now Daisy joins the club.

-------------

In other news Rosalina and Luma look amazing as usual

(https://i.imgur.com/YTeRISN.png)

Since Snake is getting new voice lines confirmed by the voice actor i wonder if we will finally get new Mario character voices

Hopefuly they indeed payed the actors to do this , but im kinda sensing they will just recycle
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Weasel on June 12, 2018, 05:39:29 PM
i like lucina : (
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on June 12, 2018, 05:40:13 PM
I'll be content with a bunch of new codecs for all the new and returning characters.

Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 12, 2018, 06:03:40 PM
sorry waluigi

there's only room for one ugly purple mofo
who is also skin and bones
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on June 12, 2018, 06:10:53 PM
I'll be content with a bunch of new codecs for all the new and returning characters.

This is one of the things I'll so look forward to seeing after Snake came back.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Weasel on June 12, 2018, 07:21:14 PM
"Colonel, why is Princess Peach dressed in orange?"
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: YoshiFlutterJump on June 12, 2018, 09:37:21 PM
Daisy isn't even new anyway.  She's half-new; she was a playable palette swap of Peach in Melee, Brawl, and 4.

And they put her in over Waluigi.  It's great that they have all of the previous fighters, plus 2.5 new ones, but the absence of Waluigi was a huge disappointment, especially since Nintendo outright admitted that they were out of ideas for Smash.  I had my hopes up.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Alex95 on June 12, 2018, 09:45:29 PM
As expected :P
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: YoshiFlutterJump on June 12, 2018, 09:52:05 PM
Makes me wonder what's gonna become of the Mario sub-series.  Mario Party got a reboot, Smash is riding off into the sunset, all Mario Sports series except Tennis are dead, we haven't gotten Mario Kart 9 yet (although there IS Mario Kart Tour and Mario Kart Arcade GP VR that we're still waiting on), Yoshi Switch is basically vaporware at this point, and WarioWare Gold seems to be the last WarioWare game.  That doesn't leave much.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 12, 2018, 09:53:26 PM
Errm Mario Golf literelly never died though?

World tour is amazing and pretty underrated.

The others haven't been brought back properly but at least they weren't ruined like Mario Party was.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: YoshiFlutterJump on June 12, 2018, 10:00:44 PM
Errm Mario Golf literelly never died though?

World tour is amazing and pretty underrated.

The others haven't been brought back properly but at least they weren't ruined like Mario Party was.
World Tour was amazing, but it was released four years ago.  It's alive/dead status is still a mystery, like the M&L series.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Robo Mario on June 12, 2018, 10:20:07 PM
*Sees Daisy unveiled*
"It's as if several GameFAQs users suddenly cried out in joy and were suddenly doing backfilps and going nuts."

I'm happy that she made it into the Super Smash Bros.' roster in some form, hopefully someday Waluigi can too.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: winstein on June 12, 2018, 10:34:22 PM
Yes, this is a real underdog victory for Daisy here, and as I mentioned, I really liked both of them playable even though Waluigi is my more wanted character since he actually can provide something unique relative to the rest of the Smash cast, but I'll settle for a consolation prize.

At the very least Smash Ultimate is still a game I am going to get since Daisy is now playable, but Waluigi not being playable is a real bummer.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 12, 2018, 10:54:19 PM
I really do wonder if Daisy is in partially so Nintendo can milk from the controversy.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Marie on June 12, 2018, 11:26:43 PM
They really screwed up with their Mario newcomer choice and that's all I can say (I already said more in the main Smash thread after all).
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on June 12, 2018, 11:30:22 PM
Eh, Waluigi sucks.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 12, 2018, 11:35:37 PM
They really screwed up with their Mario newcomer choice and that's all I can say (I already said more in the main Smash thread after all).
I believe that Daisy is that "freebie" character so if they're not going to put in Daisy, it doesn't free up development time for someone less cloney like Waluigi.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on June 13, 2018, 12:00:38 AM
*writing on a chalkboard*

I will not list my ideas for Daisy.
I will not list my ideas for Daisy.
I will not list my ideas for Daisy.

*chalk breaks*
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: winstein on June 13, 2018, 12:24:18 AM
It's amazing that there's this article from Washington Post, which is a very unexpected publication: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2018/06/12/waluigi-was-robbed-and-humiliated-by-nintendo-and-his-fans-are-furious/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.42405e204ccc

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Marie on June 13, 2018, 12:25:23 AM
Eh, Waluigi sucks.
Even disregarding Waluigi, there are several other characters who are far better picks than Daisy imo. Toad is way more relevant and iconic, Paper Mario represents the MaRPGs which have a dedicated fanbase, and Geno is a highly requested character while also representing the MaRPGs. Daisy on the other hand didn't get very many requests and is probably only being put in because she's an easy clone (which defeats the purpose of the one thing she did sort of have going for her which was representing Mario spin-offs).

I believe that Daisy is that "freebie" character so if they're not going to put in Daisy, it doesn't free up development time for someone less cloney like Waluigi.
I know, but it still feels like a slap in the face for all the Waluigi fans, which there are a ton of. I guess it's selfish to say this, but I kinda would've preferred having neither over just having Daisy. I mean, come on, there's plenty of other Echo characters they could have done. Anyway, I should probably stop before a certain someone starts defending Daisy. :P
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on June 13, 2018, 12:33:27 AM
I should probably stop before a certain someone starts defending Daisy. :P
I assume I'm not that certain someone. :P
Though all the shade people seem to throw at Daisy and the people who wanted her certainly seems like a slap to the face at times, what with the sheer quantity of it all.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Marie on June 13, 2018, 12:52:43 AM
Of course it's not you. I feel sorry for you since you are a fine upstanding supporter of a character whose fanbase has a bad reputation. In fact, the one upside I feel to Daisy being playable is that you, Alex95, and you-know-who will be happy (albeit not completely happy because of her clone status). BTW to be clear I didn't mean to disrespect Daisy or her supporters if it came across that way, I just don't think she should be a fighter in Smash.   
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Forde on June 13, 2018, 01:33:41 AM
Uh, I didn't mean to make you feel bad either, sorry...

People shouldn't really generalize about Daisy's fanbase, it's just that in my honest opinion, everyone wins when Daisy got in, even as a clone.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on June 13, 2018, 03:57:48 AM
I appreciate that :)
And it's not you guys. You're pretty respectful. There are others though who make me feel like my opinions aren't valid.

For example, some time ago on another thread I made a self-deprecating joke about how Daisy and Waluigi equally had no chance of getting in Smash, in the hopes of getting some sort of camaraderie between the two fandoms through laughter. Instead, the first responder took the opportunity to completely shut me down and soapbox about Waluigi over Daisy. They might as well have just spat in my face. I just don't understand.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Builder Mario on June 13, 2018, 05:58:18 AM
If the thread is the same as what I'm thinking, that was me, and I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make you feel bad. I'm happy for you reasonable Daisy fans. It's just that the unreasonable ones have soured her image beyond hope for me. But I'm sorry that my response in that thread came off that way. I got on the defensive as soon as the thought of Waluigi having no chance came up, and I shouldn't have done that.

I should also say that I've had a bit of salt since that reveal but now that I've had time to take it all in, I'm not as upset anymore. Still sad about Waluigi though, but excited for the game anyway :)
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 13, 2018, 11:00:18 AM
Instead, the first responder took the opportunity to completely shut me down and soapbox about Waluigi over Daisy. They might as well have just spat in my face. I just don't understand.
I think the Daisy haters are almost as bad as the Daisy fanbase. Your experience supports that.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on June 13, 2018, 02:13:39 PM
Thanks guys  :)
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on June 13, 2018, 02:52:32 PM
I've seen my share of people hating on the Daisy fanbase on this forum, generalizing all of it and rationalizing it because of a wiki article and a few loud insane people who are a bit too fanatical for our tastes. Not going to list any names.

I don't know if I was part of it, but if I was, I'll apologize to you, because nothing I said was ever directed at you, and you like which characters you like. It's a goddang video game series. I still really really dislike some of the crazier ones I had to deal with in other forums, though, who attack me for being hypocritical because I just so happen to be a fan of the baby characters.

The last thing I want in this forum is for any people like you to feel uncomfortable for liking a video game character.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on June 13, 2018, 04:59:53 PM
Nothing is wrong with liking a character. It's the ones who take it way too far that are the problem.

Fortunately I can really only name one Daisy fan who is obnoxious,one so obnoxious you can google his username and google actually recognizes it.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Cheeze on June 13, 2018, 05:03:30 PM
LOL f*** off Nintendo and f*** off Sakurai. Disrespecting one of the best characters ever like that while making literal Daisy playable. Awful f***ing people, I swear.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 13, 2018, 05:04:44 PM
"You're so awful for putting someone I don't like in a digitized children's plaything"
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on June 13, 2018, 05:05:31 PM
Relax dude, it's a cheap clone for padding. Waluigi is too good for that.

Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Cheeze on June 13, 2018, 05:09:38 PM
I honestly can't wait for Sakurai to retire. Then we won't have someone in charge who is so full of bias and s***.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 13, 2018, 05:10:45 PM
Why? Because he doesn't cater to your personal tastes?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on June 13, 2018, 05:10:57 PM
Waluigi isn't even that good of a Mario character to begin with. His history is fairly subpar.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Cheeze on June 13, 2018, 05:12:07 PM
Waluigi isn't even that good of a Mario character to begin with. His history is fairly subpar.

Coming from someone who hates Yoshi, your opinion is invalid.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 13, 2018, 05:12:44 PM
I'd like Waluigi in as playable because he'd be instantly one of those CPU players I keep picking.

Mario & Luigi & Toad vs. Waluigi & Donkey Kong & Wario would be really great.

Coming from someone who hates Yoshi, your opinion is invalid.
You're not actually addressing the argument.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on June 13, 2018, 05:12:53 PM
Waluigi isn't even that good of a Mario character to begin with. His history is fairly subpar.

Coming from someone who hates Yoshi, your opinion is invalid.

I don't pretend Yoshi isn't important to the Mario series, at least.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on June 13, 2018, 05:14:16 PM
Coming from someone who hates Yoshi, your opinion is invalid.

This is not gamefaqs, if you are gonna act like that then get the *bleep* out.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Cheeze on June 13, 2018, 05:16:09 PM
How can you not like someone as wacky, whimsical, and funny as Waluigi? His personality is charming and his play style in games he's in is fun.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on June 13, 2018, 05:17:45 PM
I don't hate him. I personally view him as a pathetic character who is fun to beat up.

But when people say Waluigi is a subpar choice for a Mario series character in Super Smash Bros, I understand completely what they're saying. I mean, Daisy is still just a clone of Peach for christ's sake. She isn't that much better off than Waluigi is.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 13, 2018, 05:18:35 PM
Daisy is charming and her play style in games she's in is fun.

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/f/fb/DaisyAwayEntranceMSC.png)

Checkmate.

This thread is slowly degenerating into GameFAQs whining, I think I better head out.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Cheeze on June 13, 2018, 05:19:34 PM
Coming from someone who hates Yoshi, your opinion is invalid.

This is not gamefaqs, if you are gonna act like that then get the *bleep* out.

Sorry, can't post on GameFAQs because I'm in purgatory over there.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on June 13, 2018, 07:35:51 PM
I think the Daisy haters are almost as bad as the Daisy fanbase. Your experience supports that.
Nothing is wrong with liking a character. It's the ones who take it way too far that are the problem.
Case in point with this cheeze guy.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Puddin on June 13, 2018, 08:15:58 PM
I'm really happy Daisy is in Smash and I'd rather have her than Waluigi; however, I still really REALLY wish Waluigi was in Smash. Heck I want Waluigi to get his own games instead of just being a spinoff character.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on June 13, 2018, 08:18:54 PM
I don't know, I think Waluigi being both an Assist Trophy and a playable fighter would be something that is very fitting for Waluiginess. Waluigi as an Assist Trophy should even have special dialogue when he's attacking himself.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on June 13, 2018, 08:40:39 PM
Waluigi being an assist trophy AND a fighter would be cheating. That's right up his alley!
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Marie on June 13, 2018, 08:42:01 PM
Hey, I'd be fine with that.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: YoshiFlutterJump on June 13, 2018, 09:45:07 PM
Super Luigi Galaxy...but with Waluigi...

SUPER WALUIGI GALAXY! ...wait, it's Smash Bros....

How about...

SUPER WALUIGI SMASH!!!
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: The Mafia Boss on June 13, 2018, 09:46:33 PM
waluigi and daisy work together like ice climbers
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Forde on June 13, 2018, 11:51:12 PM
But, hey, they actually do recognize him by making him... I dunno... APPEAR IN SMASH?

Ok now, even though I am one of those people who wanted Waluigi in Smash, I can totally tolerate him not being playable, him being as an assist trophy is kinda plenty enough for those who want Waluigi screentime.

Besides, I doubt they would put in Waluigi before some other popular characters like Toad. But since he already is part of Peach's moveset, I would rather have Captain Toad.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: YoshiFlutterJump on June 14, 2018, 12:25:29 AM
Actually, Waluigi being an assist character was never enough for me.  There are 100+ assist characters, and the fact that you can't restrict certain assist characters gives Waluigi ridiculously low screen time.

I really hope they let you restrict assist characters in Smash Ultimate.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 14, 2018, 12:33:30 AM
In the future, you can mod the game to control the amount of assist spawns, if you're willing to go into that territory.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: YoshiFlutterJump on June 14, 2018, 12:37:44 AM
In the future, you can mod the game to control the amount of assist spawns, if you're willing to go into that territory.
Well, I'm not too familiar with modding, and I don't think I'm willing to take the necessary risks to do so.  It sounds like a good idea otherwise, though.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Cheeze on June 14, 2018, 07:01:47 PM
Sakurai's still a little b**** for making Daisy playable, but not Waluigi.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: The Mafia Boss on June 14, 2018, 07:27:33 PM
You're about as annoying as the Daisy fans.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Northern Verve on June 14, 2018, 08:03:07 PM
I don't think Daisy took Waluigi's spot or anything. She's an echo fighter, simply a character meant to represent a popular character of their respective franchise that could reasonably be made on the cheap by only slightly changing the moves and animations for. Waluigi's body shape was simply too unique (Closest character in height would probably be Bayonetta, which while it would be hilarious to see, I doubt Waluigi is getting guns on his feet anytime soon), but Daisy was easily copyable from Peach. When we were arguing why Waluigi was more likely that was in the context of them being unique. If we counted characters easy to make off of, then of course Daisy had potential to get in first if we had included the possibility of her being a Peach clone.

Daisy also got a fair amount of promotion, safe to say Super Mario Run is still decently significant. But I definitely don't think it was the major factor that got Daisy in Smash as she is right now. She was simply a character well known in the mainstream thanks to all her spin-off appearances who also happens to share a very similar character shape to Peach. It's Daisy's heavy association she's had with Peach since forever that got her here. If Waluigi was closer to Luigi's size and build he could of been an echo of Luigi. But alas, he's simply too tall (Inb4 that becomes the new "too big") and will have to wait for another chance to come in as an unique fighter.

In short, a unique Waluigi would come before a unique Daisy. But a clone Daisy was more doable and easy to do for the base game with so many characters added from the past (Plus Inklings, Ridley, and whatever else unique newcomers we get in this game). The return of all the veterans of Smash Bros. history as well as the classifications of Echo Fighters has shifted expectations on newcomers. If we had known this was coming beforehand, then yeah Daisy might of been seen as more possible then she was. With other series to consider, this is why Waluigi was left again as an Assist. They're bringing EVERYBODY that was playable back along with some changes to some of them and general gameplay improvements which as Sakurai warned us about newcomers not being a big commodity. In this scenario, adding Daisy was easy. While adding Waluigi could take away time of other franchises that sorely need a rep more or even new series to get their chances too.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: GalacticPetey on June 14, 2018, 08:29:22 PM
Sakurai's still a little b**** for making Daisy playable, but not Waluigi.
Can you not?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Cheeze on June 14, 2018, 08:34:05 PM
Sakurai's still a little b**** for making Daisy playable, but not Waluigi.
Can you not?

Sakurai has s*** all over Waluigi and his fans for too long now. It has gotten old. It's time Waluigi gets his chance to shine as a playable character in Smash.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: GalacticPetey on June 14, 2018, 08:37:27 PM
And you're acting like a toddler. Sakurai has no agenda against Waluigi or his fans. He just doesn't view him as fighter material. Daisy was a lucky, easy addition and had no bearing on Waluigi or any other character.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Cheeze on June 14, 2018, 08:40:03 PM
And you're acting like a toddler. Sakurai has no agenda against Waluigi or his fans. He just doesn't view him as fighter material. Daisy was a lucky, easy addition and had no bearing on Waluigi or any other character.

How can you be so sure about this? Anyone with a brain can tell that Sakurai did this on purpose to troll Waluigi and his fans. Waluigi has always been more deserving than Daisy.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: GalacticPetey on June 14, 2018, 08:45:19 PM
And you're acting like a toddler. Sakurai has no agenda against Waluigi or his fans. He just doesn't view him as fighter material. Daisy was a lucky, easy addition and had no bearing on Waluigi or any other character.

How can you be so sure about this? Anyone with a brain can tell that Sakurai did this on purpose to troll Waluigi and his fans. Waluigi has always been more deserving than Daisy.
I think your bias is getting in the way and you're convinced of something that's not even there.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Madeline on June 14, 2018, 08:51:04 PM
s***
b****

Self-censoring lmao
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 14, 2018, 09:07:04 PM
to me the bigger picture is that Daisy getting in it's not even a bad thing per see.

Good on her and her fans.

The BAD thing of this however is that it fuels MM3 delusion into this narrative that Daisy is just as important as Mario himself , and god that's just so annoying to see everywhere i go.

On the other hand he cannot celebrate fully either because deep down he knows that this whole ''sporty flower princess that represents sports'' was completely thrown out of the window since Sakurai basically confirmed what i have been saying all these years:

''If Daisy EVER gets in she wont be that different from Peach''

and guess what lol

honestly aside from that bitter bit, Daisy getting in is ok because im pretty sure it was the fastest thing they could make.

I also find even more hilarious that her and Ridley were revealed at the same event ... that's literally the most ''WTF'' thing this fanbase has experienced.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on June 14, 2018, 09:22:38 PM
Considering how Ridley got this big CGI trailer and Daisy got a "hey look it's Daisy" I think we can assume pretty easily how she wound up in smash bros.

And that's not even getting into how lazy her design is as a clone. Other clones have various little details and things that separates them, Daisy is just her head shoved onto Peach's model painted orange.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on June 14, 2018, 09:24:57 PM
Considering how Ridley got this big CGI trailer and Daisy got a "hey look it's Daisy" I think we can assume pretty easily how she wound up in smash bros.

And that's not even getting into how lazy her design is as a clone. Other clones have various little details and things that separates them, Daisy is just her head shoved onto Peach's model painted orange.

Daisy overall is slightly shorter than Peach even in Smash.

Her moves have different properties. Sure her base stats like speed and weight are not changed or changed slightly, some of her moves act differently to Peach.

She also has a new Final Smash.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on June 14, 2018, 09:32:45 PM
Slightly altered moves are to be expected. I meant visually. If it weren't for her head she'd be Dark Pit levels of copycat.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on June 14, 2018, 11:18:37 PM
Sakurai has s*** all over Waluigi and his fans for too long now. It has gotten old.

Hahahaha, Waluigi at least has an Assist Trophy since Brawl. Some of us want even series acknowledged to begin with. How about we start with, say, Battalion Wars? Or Stunt Race FX? Waluigi fans have gotten it perfectly compared to people who enjoy the more obscure franchises.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Forde on June 14, 2018, 11:36:00 PM
While I still feel bitter about Waluigi not being in Smash, in the end, it turned out like a "oh he's not in. Sucks. Maybe next time" kind of thing. To me, there are other character that need to get in more than him, like say, Captain Toad, who does a well job atrepresenting his species, and Captain Toad Treasure Tracker is a great source to get his moveset from.

Even Isabelle deserves to be in here, but she is most likely to become a fighter if Nintendo ever wants to include a second Animal Crossing character, because Tom Nook is already part of Villager's final Smash, and Isabelle also has a bigger role than him, so her position in the series is pretty much secure, they just need to look into Animal Crossing again.

And how about Bandana Waddle Dee? If we need one Kirby newcomer, it has to be him. I'd imagine his spear working like a helicopter there, or him throwing spears. His final Smash can be a rain of spears maybe.

I, like many others, would love to see Waluigi Smash his way into Smash, but these are more of a priority for what I think. Still, it's a shame he didn't get in this time. But a man can dream.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Northern Verve on June 15, 2018, 12:08:17 AM
Daisy overall is slightly shorter than Peach even in Smash.

Her moves have different properties. Sure her base stats like speed and weight are not changed or changed slightly, some of her moves act differently to Peach.

She also has a new Final Smash.

Hey Memory, not exactly responding to your post. But I thought I'd quote you to maybe get your attention.

I just want to say. Congratulations to your most wanted character get in Smash. I know we had some arguments in the past here on this forum. But I'm not about to cry foul on Daisy getting in Smash. In fact in some ways I can be happy that dedicated fans like you finally got their dream inclusion. I know how that feels what with Sonic having been in since Brawl (I may be silently vying for Tails, but he'd only be a cherry on top really. Sonic is all I really need)

I do hope that though that after you've had your week or even month(/s) of celebration. (I heard somewhere that you're still happy although she's a Peach echo. I thought you'd be really upset that she is what you always argued against. But if you're still happy regardless, then good on you) That you now can rest your behavior that you've put people through. I know you could campaign for the next Smash for Daisy to not just return but be decloned. But that's a long way off and for now you should take what you have with a Dark Pit/Lucina style clone of Peach. I know and have heard many terrible things you've done from spamming discord channels or reddit sites, bringing up Daisy in entirely irrelevant videos on Youtube, sockpuppeting, etc. Now that Daisy's in, I hope you can finally be done with all that behavior.

I recall you had a thread on GameFAQs (Though it was deleted) where you swore you were going off Social Media for a while to focus on studies and/or real life in general... obviously you kinda turned your back on that and even went on to bother the people at Source Gaming not too long ago over their Rate their Chances video for Daisy. But if any of that thread you made on GameFAQs was an attempt at sincerity. Not that Daisy is in Smash. You can actually follow through on that at least a little. Cause you have no need to campaign any more unless you have a 2nd character you really, really, want.

I also hope you don't rub salt in the wound of any Waluigi or Toad fans (Captain Toad still kinda has a chance, but I do gotta admit his chances are a decent amount lower now then they were prior to E3). At least the ones that didn't treat you like you sometimes did others. If they trolled you back in anyway even if you started it, you're probably free to give them *bleep* about it. But for those who only constructively argued with you and/or just feel sad about their character at the moment. I hope you at least have some dignity and not rub it in their faces.

Once again, congrats on Daisy getting in Smash. But I hope you'll become a little more humble without any need to campaign for her anymore. If you can do that, I bet more people will grow to tolerate Daisy's inclusion even if they were initially upset.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 15, 2018, 12:29:51 AM
Daisy overall is slightly shorter than Peach even in Smash.

Her moves have different properties. Sure her base stats like speed and weight are not changed or changed slightly, some of her moves act differently to Peach.

She also has a new Final Smash.

Hey Memory, not exactly responding to your post. But I thought I'd quote you to maybe get your attention.

I just want to say. Congratulations to your most wanted character get in Smash. I know we had some arguments in the past here on this forum. But I'm not about to cry foul on Daisy getting in Smash. In fact in some ways I can be happy that dedicated fans like you finally got their dream inclusion. I know how that feels what with Sonic having been in since Brawl (I may be silently vying for Tails, but he'd only be a cherry on top really. Sonic is all I really need)

I do hope that though that after you've had your week or even month(/s) of celebration. (I heard somewhere that you're still happy although she's a Peach echo. I thought you'd be really upset that she is what you always argued against. But if you're still happy regardless, then good on you) That you now can rest your behavior that you've put people through. I know you could campaign for the next Smash for Daisy to not just return but be decloned. But that's a long way off and for now you should take what you have with a Dark Pit/Lucina style clone of Peach. I know and have heard many terrible things you've done from spamming discord channels or reddit sites, bringing up Daisy in entirely irrelevant videos on Youtube, sockpuppeting, etc. Now that Daisy's in, I hope you can finally be done with all that behavior.

I recall you had a thread on GameFAQs (Though it was deleted) where you swore you were going off Social Media for a while to focus on studies and/or real life in general... obviously you kinda turned your back on that and even went on to bother the people at Source Gaming not too long ago over their Rate their Chances video for Daisy. But if any of that thread you made on GameFAQs was an attempt at sincerity. Not that Daisy is in Smash. You can actually follow through on that at least a little. Cause you have no need to campaign any more unless you have a 2nd character you really, really, want.

I also hope you don't rub salt in the wound of any Waluigi or Toad fans (Captain Toad still kinda has a chance, but I do gotta admit his chances are a decent amount lower now then they were prior to E3). At least the ones that didn't treat you like you sometimes did others. If they trolled you back in anyway even if you started it, you're probably free to give them *bleep* about it. But for those who only constructively argued with you and/or just feel sad about their character at the moment. I hope you at least have some dignity and not rub it in their faces.

Once again, congrats on Daisy getting in Smash. But I hope you'll become a little more humble without any need to campaign for her anymore. If you can do that, I bet more people will grow to tolerate Daisy's inclusion even if they were initially upset.

(https://i.imgur.com/i3W2SgM.gif)

you really think he will stop?

this gives him more fuel to his narrative. Also he already made a whole tread in Gfaqs demanding people to ''Apologize to Queen Daisy''

Girl bye.

/and i dont even wanna be problematic, look it up , he made the tread.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on June 15, 2018, 02:52:56 AM
So memoryman is ruining the reputation of Daisy fans yet again.

You stop that, mm3. Right now. >:(
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: winstein on June 15, 2018, 09:05:07 AM
I have never seen so much disappointment for a Smash character's position as Waluigi, in which he's still not playable and is still in an Assist Trophy, seeing that several websites have articles mentioning how this is one of the more disappointing moments in an otherwise positive trailer. It's nice to see that there's support for Waluigi and I am not alone here.

I am in agreement with the missed opportunity since he's essentially the character I wanted the most to be playable. Daisy is fine as is the revealed playable newbies so far, but for a largely recurring character like Waluigi he's in a better position compared to most of the Assist Trophies, since he's also a character that appears frequently in Mario, a popular series, who also happens to be playable in most of the games he is starring in and is an amusing character (to me, but I'm no doubt not alone on this).

It should be noted that, like with every issue, there are people who disagree, for there are some comments that savour the disappointment of this decision. There are many speculated reasons on why Waluigi wasn't included, and while they have some sound reasoning behind them, we don't really know it until the main developer outlined the reasons, and because he didn't seem to justify the exclusion, there is still hope.

(Deviating from this topic for a moment, while Bomberman's Assist Trophy inclusion is kind of disappointing, for a character that haven't been in Smash beforehand, this is the best position for him for now)

A minor reason on why I would like Waluigi playable is that when a character becomes playable, mockery of a character will be gone, so for example Ridley is now celebrated because of the simple explanation of being playable, since playable characters are treated like kings and queens in Nintendo's stable of characters, including the less popular ones like Ice Climbers. I am not broken up by this because I know that at the end of the day it's essentially a game (and I feel kinda old to feel that it matters), but when I looked at Smash fan art I can't help but feel it matters because Smash is just such a significant property that some people take it as the be-all and end-all of the only characters that matter (the playables). At least there's Mario Tennis Aces and Super Mario Party (games that I am comparatively more excited for), which are looking excellent so far.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: BBQ Turtle on June 15, 2018, 10:36:33 AM
Personally, I'm very happy that Daisy's in Smash, even as a Peach clone (Fortunately I like Peach's moveset anyway), but I think some of the little touches like the flowers and stuff that come with her are nice inclusions which make her not a 100% clone. I didn't even think she had a chance myself, it was just something I was vaguely hoping for. Still, I'm a little disappointed that Waluigi's not in though. But you've at least got to look at it positively, as if Daisy got in this Smash, then this seems to improve Waluigi's chances as a spinoff-only character (And yes, I am fully aware that Daisy has appeared in the main series before someone picks me up on it, I'm just saying she's mainly spinoff) for the next one.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 15, 2018, 02:05:12 PM
I just want Toad.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on June 15, 2018, 02:09:34 PM
I just want Toad.

Peach is all your gonna get.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 15, 2018, 02:17:43 PM
my want to get Captain Toad

screw that lame princess
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Alex95 on June 15, 2018, 02:17:59 PM
I just want Toad.

I like how Toad is acting more helpful, though. Taking part in Peach/Daisy's throws and actually looking like he's ready to protect them. Makes Peach and Daisy seem a bit more cowardly, though :P
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on June 15, 2018, 02:36:05 PM
I like how Daisy looks like she’s setting up a remote Toad bomb, when Peach looks scared at the bomb.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Builder Mario on June 15, 2018, 07:49:47 PM
So you probably noticed over the past few days I've been salty about Daisy getting in over Waluigi. Well I realized that's exactly the attitude that I've trashed Daisy's fanbase for having, so I'd like to apologize to everyone who wanted Daisy in Smash for being condescending and salty about her and Waluigi. Congratulations on Daisy getting in Smash, I hope y'all enjoy playing as her :)
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: J-Yoshi64 on June 15, 2018, 09:25:50 PM
^ Why can't all fans from all sides have this kind of self-awareness?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 16, 2018, 12:22:06 AM
i think we all should fight the common enemy, and i'm not talking about Daisy...
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Forde on June 16, 2018, 12:34:23 AM
And who that might just be?

...Sakurai?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 16, 2018, 12:48:03 AM
Sakurai is someone we should work with, not fight.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: The Mafia Boss on June 16, 2018, 12:59:21 AM
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/081/362/52e.png)
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 16, 2018, 12:57:31 PM
And who that might just be?

...Sakurai?

No.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Shy Guy on Wheels on June 16, 2018, 01:05:50 PM
It's the fanboys of both characters.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 16, 2018, 01:09:52 PM
It's the fanboys of both characters.

I'd say so.

I don't remeber EVER thinking ill of neither back in the 2000's until probably 2012 when the internet started ruining both characters , mostly Daisy tho.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Forde on June 16, 2018, 01:31:57 PM
Huh, makes sense now.

Still, wpuldn't say they're enemies, although you kinda are right about the "ruining charcaters" part.

Just when I started actually liking Daisy, the obsessive fanboys got in the way I kinda just stopped there.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 16, 2018, 01:38:46 PM
Yeah , i can't even like Daisy properly in Smash because some fans start the nonsense once again.

Then again, i will say it's a mistake to let my opinion be influenced because of some fans Daisy.

Though it's still unacceptable that Daisy is all were are getting new on the Mario side.

Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Shy Guy on Wheels on June 16, 2018, 01:40:47 PM
Though it's still unacceptable that Daisy is all were are getting new on the Mario side.
That hasn't been confirmed though, we can still get characters such as Toad.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: GalacticPetey on June 16, 2018, 01:42:21 PM
Toad himself is out of the running as he's part of Peach's moveset still and even has an expanded role.

The Captain Toad dream is still alive, barely.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Northern Verve on June 16, 2018, 03:32:34 PM
Captain Toad still has a shot for sure. Though admittedly I am less confident about him then I was prior to E3.

Still, next month has a window for him (The Switch port comes out, if there's any Smash 4-like reveals where a character is revealed in the same month as a new release it's very possible that's when he'd appear). Or he could even be a Bowser Jr.-esque surprise when the full roster is revealed later. It might be a disappointment if Mario literally only just got Daisy who is an echo fighter. Other then the captain though, there's still Paper Mario (We have three links now, maybe a 3rd Mario's also possible), as well as a dark horse in Geno*.

*Though I'm starting to think that Geno wouldn't really be a full Mario rep considering his hybrid 3rd party status. I actually wouldn't be surprised if say he got his own icon despite being part of a Mario game. If Geno got in, I don't necessarily think he will have been in competition with anybody. Because he's a unique case that was a cult following back in the Brawl speculation days that we now know even caught the attention/intrigue of Sakurai himself.

So if there's a unique Mario newcomer coming, it's either Captain Toad or Paper Mario IMO.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on June 16, 2018, 05:23:17 PM
A Goomba literally has a bigger role than Toad in Mario Party now. What hope is there for the captain? The strong Toad has already been stolen and dunked on by Daisy.  :daisy:
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 16, 2018, 05:26:36 PM
And this is exactly why people are not gonna be ok with Daisy or with you.

Keep it up.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: memoryman3 on June 16, 2018, 05:33:54 PM
Once again: Toad joins Peach and newcomer Daisy in the battlefield, which also means he’s not a playable character in the game. Just because you appear in a ton of main series games as a useless NPC doesn’t mean you get an invitation.

Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on June 16, 2018, 06:09:42 PM
Yeah because if they put Toad in smash, they couldn't just slap his head on another character's body.

They would actually have to put effort and thought into his inclusion.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 16, 2018, 06:11:04 PM
im still waiting for that Daisy cgi trailer... probably never happening tho
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Northern Verve on June 16, 2018, 06:33:04 PM
A Goomba literally has a bigger role than Toad in Mario Party now. What hope is there for the captain? The strong Toad has already been stolen and dunked on by Daisy.  :daisy:

Even if Captain Toad doesn't make it this time. It will not be because of Daisy. Echo Fighter status alone is the reason why that's not even a factor.

As I mentioned before, I'm still less confident in him making it then I was prior to E3. But that has nothing to do with Daisy's inclusion. Rather it's simply a combination of the focus on bringing everybody that was playable in the entire series back (Less room for unique base game Newcomers as a result), Toad having more animations other then simply being held out in front of Peach (It at least gives a lot more respect to regular Toad then the meatshield he was for 3 straight Smash games) in her moveset, plus the possibility of this game going a more fanservice route then going for some of the newer characters at least base game wise.

So if anything, focus on characters that have been long wanted like Ridley, K. Rool and even cult hit favorites like Geno could take time away from them including Captain Toad. If he's strangely absent from the base game aside from trophies, maybe just maaaaaaaybbbbbeeeeeee he'll be saved for DLC like some propose newer characters like Rex & Pyra or Spring Man are being speculated for? I personally doubt he'd be a DLC choice since I'm not sure Captain Toad alone is worth paying money for most people on the level that the veterans and 3rd party characters that were DLC in Smash 4 could garner. But who knows. (Not saying he wouldn't be profitable at all, all DLC characters will make money because there's more people that will buy all the characters no matter what then there would be people who decide to pass on them. Just not quite as exciting, but then again Corrin is a bit of a counterpoint to that)
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 16, 2018, 07:01:00 PM
Also let's be real, all the hype went to Ridley in the reveals.

People have been waiting for him since 2001.

Daisy was more of a nice plus.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on June 16, 2018, 07:09:47 PM
The strong Toad has already been stolen and dunked on by Daisy.  :daisy:

Just because you appear in a ton of main series games as a useless NPC doesn’t mean you get an invitation.

You don't need to rub it in other fans' faces, you *bleep*.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: yeeeet on June 16, 2018, 11:42:31 PM
memoryman you seem to be bothered by Daisy being an echo. Guess you didn't get the last laugh after all. I mean I can't imagine spending 4 years obsessively fighting on the internet for a model swap with flower effects.

Don't blame Sakurai. Blame Nintendo for keeping her around as Peach's accessory.

People on YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, and smashboards are happy about Daisy's inclusion, so I am happy for them.

As for Waluigi I never had any hope for him despite his sudden popularity after brawl.






Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 17, 2018, 12:15:11 AM
i will try using Daisy a bit since Peach has been my main in the past ... but if the hoe starts screaming as soon as she down smashes im over her.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: GalacticPetey on June 17, 2018, 12:16:42 AM
Toad and Captain Toad are different characters. Toad being part of Peach's moveset doesn't mean the Captain can't make it in, but it might hurt his chances.

I can't believe we live in a world now where Geno is the most likely Mario character. That's just surreal and wrong.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 17, 2018, 12:31:06 AM
i just hope Daisy is not the only thing we get from Mario, because boy if that's the case that's a huge dissapoinment.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Forde on June 17, 2018, 02:16:14 AM
Toad and Captain Toad are different characters. Toad being part of Peach's moveset doesn't mean the Captain can't make it in, but it might hurt his chances.

I can't believe we live in a world now where Geno is the most likely Mario character. That's just surreal and wrong.

Speaking of Geno, Salurai wants him in Smash but why isn't he in?

I mean, I know it's the Square Enix thing, but if so, then how come Cloud is here? Is there something I'm missing?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Northern Verve on June 17, 2018, 02:45:28 AM
Toad and Captain Toad are different characters. Toad being part of Peach's moveset doesn't mean the Captain can't make it in, but it might hurt his chances.

I can't believe we live in a world now where Geno is the most likely Mario character. That's just surreal and wrong.

Speaking of Geno, Salurai wants him in Smash but why isn't he in?

I mean, I know it's the Square Enix thing, but if so, then how come Cloud is here? Is there something I'm missing?

Cloud's a bigger deal then Geno by a large margin. Also Sakurai wanted to fulfill a request for a Final Fantasy character. And Cloud was the most popular one.

Cloud just benefits Square alot more then Geno does since he's from a game made more then 20 years ago that can't quite compare to the impact FF7 made on the industry, plus is getting a Remake (...Which probably won't come out until the next decade the rate it's going but still)

Geno only comes in if he really, really wants to fulfill the request of what was a huge underdog support for such an unlikely character in the Brawl speculation days. Square might prefer something of their other franchises though. You have Dragon Quest, Tomb Raider, Chrono Trigger, Kingdom Hearts, maybe even a 2nd Final Fantasy character from a game that was on a Nintendo system, etc. Square has no shortage of characters that would make great choices for Smash
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: GalacticPetey on June 17, 2018, 08:57:44 AM
Toad and Captain Toad are different characters. Toad being part of Peach's moveset doesn't mean the Captain can't make it in, but it might hurt his chances.

I can't believe we live in a world now where Geno is the most likely Mario character. That's just surreal and wrong.

Speaking of Geno, Salurai wants him in Smash but why isn't he in?

I mean, I know it's the Square Enix thing, but if so, then how come Cloud is here? Is there something I'm missing?

Cloud's a bigger deal then Geno by a large margin. Also Sakurai wanted to fulfill a request for a Final Fantasy character. And Cloud was the most popular one.

Cloud just benefits Square alot more then Geno does since he's from a game made more then 20 years ago that can't quite compare to the impact FF7 made on the industry, plus is getting a Remake (...Which probably won't come out until the next decade the rate it's going but still)

Geno only comes in if he really, really wants to fulfill the request of what was a huge underdog support for such an unlikely character in the Brawl speculation days. Square might prefer something of their other franchises though. You have Dragon Quest, Tomb Raider, Chrono Trigger, Kingdom Hearts, maybe even a 2nd Final Fantasy character from a game that was on a Nintendo system, etc. Square has no shortage of characters that would make great choices for Smash
I am sad we never got a Dragon Quest or Chrono Trigger character in Smash 4 because we would have gotten newcomer art drawn by Akira Toriyama.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Host Kamek on June 17, 2018, 12:20:54 PM
I am sad we never got a Dragon Quest or Chrono Trigger character in Smash 4 because we would have gotten newcomer art drawn by Akira Toriyama.
Slap Secret of Mana on there as well and I fully agree with you.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on June 17, 2018, 01:49:31 PM
Personally, I think Geno is a terrible choice for a newcomer, much less, a Mario one.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: GalacticPetey on June 17, 2018, 02:00:53 PM
Oh I'm not crazy for Geno, but Sakurai has considered him in the past and the only thing that stopped him from getting into Brawl was having to negotiate with Square Enix. Geno has a pretty big fan following and with how much Sakurai seems to be aiming to please the fans, I can see it happening.

He'd be best served as an assist trophy imo.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Weasel on June 29, 2018, 07:44:35 PM


dammit i miss bitf
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Mcmadness on June 29, 2018, 08:00:00 PM
Wa
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dorayaki on June 30, 2018, 08:52:15 AM
Speaking of Geno, Salurai wants him in Smash but why isn't he in?
Sorry if this question sounds offensive: Is he important to Mario series / Nintendo and Square Enix at this point? This should be a fair question. Both companies would have to promote their own original characters in the first place. Kingdom Heart series, which is co-develped by SE an Disney, is a similiari case.

We know after the SMRPG, SE still occasionally has some collaborative woks: Fortune Street and Mix Sports, but unfortunately these games do not come up with any SMRPG reference, not even original characters, which pretty has closed the case since then.

Also adding Nintendo still not adding any RPG-original candidates to the sport game rosters, this is a double difficulty.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: GalacticPetey on June 30, 2018, 11:26:56 AM
He was seriously considered for Brawl, and copyright issue with Square Enix is what prevented him from getting in. He was momentarily considered for Smash 4, and Sakurai acknowledged that demand for him was high, but he ultimately ended up as a mii costume. It's possible Square requested that Final Fantasy be represented first and foremost before other Square properties.

At the point Sakurai personally wanted Geno back in Brawl, it could definitely happen. Sakurai personally wanting a character trumps any argument about relevancy.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dorayaki on June 30, 2018, 11:44:18 AM
He was seriously considered for Brawl, and copyright issue with Square Enix is what prevented him from getting in.
Not sure it it's for real, but the fact about relevance with the Mario franchise is indeed an issue after all.

It's not being mean to a specific RPG character, but to be fair other Nintendo's own PRG characters like the Paper partners are in the same situation for not obtaining further spotlight in the franchise. Still, just based on Fortune Street / Mix Sports, it feels like either one lacks the will to push collaborative characters between the two parties.

Well BTW, I would wish that Cloud and LIghtning appears in Mix Sports title in a Mario style look.
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Mario on June 30, 2018, 02:32:19 PM
I don't know, remember what happened to Geno in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga: The Remake?
Title: Re: Waluigi vs Daisy: Who Should Be In Smash Switch???
Post by: Dr. Baby Luigi on June 30, 2018, 02:33:38 PM
Well, there's also many other characters Sakurai had personally wanted who had never been in a Smash Bros. game, Mach Rider and Takamaru to name a few. Mach Rider eventually ended up as a trophy in Melee and Takamaru as an Assist Trophy in Smash 4.

Also, I'd prefer other Square properties get representation over Geno if they had to get another from Square. IMO Dragon Quest and Kingdom Hearts are far more interesting and better for another Square rep than a one-off character from a Mario RPG who has an extreme niche following to begin with.