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Title: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on March 08, 2018, 05:42:26 PM
BIS REMAKE!

I can't believe it! Looks awesome! :bowser:

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/f/f0/BiS_DX_Logo.jpg)


I freaked out when this came on. Seriously. This is my reaction. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FB0KdLdv0Q)

It's a shame that PIT got skipped over though. PIT + BIS would've been better than Minion Quest 2.0 imo.

Releasing 2019, a bit late for a remake imo, hilarious that Smash is coming sooner lol.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on March 08, 2018, 05:42:58 PM
I'm very sour over how they skipped Partners in Time.

Like, very sour.
Title: Mario and Luigi: Bower's Inside Story + Bowser Jr's Journey
Post by: Lassi on March 08, 2018, 05:43:14 PM
SHOWTIME!

We're skipping past Partners in Time and going straight to the best one, coming to 3DS, the game contains updated graphics and a new side story mode similar to Bowser's minions but with Bowser Jr as the star, it is due in 2019.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Marie on March 08, 2018, 05:55:12 PM
I literally thought right when I saw this in the Direct that FTG would be ecstatic and Baby Luigi would be furious and here you both are.

That kind of is a slap in the face to PIT fans; I mean it was less popular but still.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 08, 2018, 05:55:30 PM
Yup, they have officially run out of ideas.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on March 08, 2018, 05:57:33 PM
That kind of is a slap in the face to PIT fans; I mean it was less popular but still.
I agree, I think a double-pack with both of them would've been better than Minion Quest 2 with BIS enemies instead of SSS enemies, but how can I complain when this literally made me freak out live on camera for the first time really. Wish it was sooner than 2019 though, seems a bit far-out for a remake. I want to see Fawful's sprite too but they didn't show it.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: TyrorexDMZ on March 08, 2018, 06:01:35 PM
While I like Bowser's Inside Story a lot, I feel a little saddened Partners in Time was skipped over. It really could have used a remake the most of the pre-3DS Mario & Luigi game, if just to add sidequests and make battles a little less tedious.

Yup, they have officially run out of ideas.

A little concerned about this myself, too. Two remakes in a row? I assumed they would switch every other game.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on March 08, 2018, 06:02:32 PM
They just want to reuse as much assets as possible. Because it would be too much effort to make Baby Mario and Baby Luigi player character sprites from scratch.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Weasel on March 08, 2018, 06:03:41 PM
guys you are all missing out on what's actually important :bowjr:
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 08, 2018, 06:04:45 PM
Now while I was willing to make excuses for Superstar Saga, I can't really defend this remake.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: NSY on March 08, 2018, 06:06:26 PM
They just want to reuse as much assets as possible. Because it would be too much effort to make Baby Mario and Baby Luigi player character sprites from scratch.
But so would pretty much every single character exclusive to BiS sprites would have to be remade from strach
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 08, 2018, 06:07:40 PM
They just want to reuse as much assets as possible. Because it would be too much effort to make Baby Mario and Baby Luigi player character sprites from scratch.
They made various enemy and character sprites from scratch for the first one(probably still not as many as a PiT remake would require but still).
The obvious answer is that, like SSDX, this will barely add new content to the main game with most of the new content being for the side game.
That said, even though I know already it in my heart, I'm still gonna be disappointed when Bowser doesn't get a battle ring.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on March 08, 2018, 06:11:40 PM
They just want to reuse as much assets as possible. Because it would be too much effort to make Baby Mario and Baby Luigi player character sprites from scratch.
But so would pretty much every single character exclusive to BiS sprites would have to be remade from strach

Player character sprites (and of course models) are the most detailed and have the most extensive sprite sheet, because not only do they have a ton of animations for the overworld, but a lot of them for battle. For this game, they already have Mario, Luigi, and Bowser assets, and they can easily reuse those and make some more when necessary.

For Partners in Time, two player characters have no assets and need to be made from scratch. Additionally, they need to create brand new sprites of Mario and Luigi carrying the babies as well.

And that's on top of the new characters specific to Partners in Time that requires.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mister Wu on March 08, 2018, 06:16:55 PM
I'm very sour over how they skipped Partners in Time.

Like, very sour.
At least you won't have to fear to have one of the PIT characters being replaced by Dr. Toadley
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Shygul on March 08, 2018, 06:17:29 PM
everything about this except the bowser jr mode is dumb
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Yoshi the SSM on March 08, 2018, 06:19:20 PM
The Giant Battle system seems to be changeable like Dream Team's.

I wonder that if we get a new game, that it will have playable Minions as a separate mode now. But, this mode must be improved. I just hope that the 2019 date is the result of this. Otherwise why not this year. Even making Bowser's battle ring won't be too much of a trouble.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 08, 2018, 06:22:41 PM
The Giant Battle system seems to be changeable like Dream Team's.

I wonder that if we get a new game, that it will have playable Minions as a separate mode now. But, this mode must be improved. I just hope that the 2019 date is the result of this. Otherwise why not this year. Even making Bowser's battle ring won't be too much of a trouble.
Did we see much of it outside of the cutscene intro?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: The Stanley Parable Adventure Lineô on March 08, 2018, 06:22:49 PM
H O W   A B O U T   B R I N G I N G   T H E   O R I G I N A L   S U P E R S T A R   S A G A   T O   T H E   N I N T E N D O   E - S H O P   I N S T E A D ?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 08, 2018, 06:24:57 PM
guys you are all missing out on what's actually important :bowjr:

Look I love Bowser jr as much as the next guy but this is just so unnecessary as a remake.

I realize the game will be 10 years old when the remake comes out but it's not like it's some kind of 90s game where everything looks and feels clunky and is in dire need of an update.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on March 08, 2018, 06:27:17 PM
Well a brand new game would be a waste on the 3DS. They're getting remakes out on it because the system is in its final days. I bet they'll pull a brand new game on the Switch.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 08, 2018, 06:29:14 PM
Well a brand new game would be a waste on the 3DS. They're getting remakes out on it because the system is in its final days. I bet they'll pull a brand new game on the Switch.
Then why not stop making pointless remakes and actually do that?

This isn't a big studio here, they don't exactly have the numbers to work on several projects at once.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 08, 2018, 06:29:27 PM
H O W   A B O U T   B R I N G I N G   T H E   O R I G I N A L   S U P E R S T A R   S A G A   T O   T H E   N I N T E N D O   E - S H O P   I N S T E A D ?
But it's already on the Wii U e-shop. :P
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: The Stanley Parable Adventure Lineô on March 08, 2018, 06:30:18 PM
because the system is in its final days
this is pissing me off

however i do think nintendo could make this up to me by giving me a nintendo switch for free

or release their games on the PC

H O W   A B O U T   B R I N G I N G   T H E   O R I G I N A L   S U P E R S T A R   S A G A   T O   T H E   N I N T E N D O   E - S H O P   I N S T E A D ?
But it's already on the Wii U e-shop. :P
*bleep* THE WII U, I WANT IT ON THE 3DS
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 08, 2018, 06:30:58 PM
Well a brand new game would be a waste on the 3DS. They're getting remakes out on it because the system is in its final days. I bet they'll pull a brand new game on the Switch.
Then why not stop making pointless remakes and actually do that?

This isn't a big studio here, they don't exactly have the numbers to work on several projects at once.
The only explanation I can see is getting money to fund a full HD game or something.
It's not even like Superstar Saga, which I'll argue. You can still play the original Inside Story on the 3DS.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Gamefreak75 on March 08, 2018, 06:33:59 PM
I hope this is just a stopgap for a proper title on Switch, because if not, then oh boy......

Not getting my hopes up though. After dream team's boringness and Paper Jam's unoriginal, albeit fun execution I have little hopr for this series.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 08, 2018, 06:38:06 PM
Screenshots here: https://nintendoeverything.com/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story-bowser-jr-s-journey-screenshots/

(https://nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/nggallery/mario-luigi/3DS_MarioLuigi-BowsersInsideStoryBowserJrsJourney_SCRN08_bmp_jpgcopy.jpg)

Looks like Junior wears his mask up and is outside of the clown car (both for the first significant time in ages). I suspect the JCC will be a late-game thing.
I do wonder if they're gonna do any equivalent to the Giant Battles though. Probably not.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Yoshi the SSM on March 08, 2018, 06:43:36 PM
The Giant Battle system seems to be changeable like Dream Team's.

I wonder that if we get a new game, that it will have playable Minions as a separate mode now. But, this mode must be improved. I just hope that the 2019 date is the result of this. Otherwise why not this year. Even making Bowser's battle ring won't be too much of a trouble.
Did we see much of it outside of the cutscene intro?

The way the 3DS was tilted. And there was an excellent.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mister Wu on March 08, 2018, 07:04:52 PM
Screenshots here: https://nintendoeverything.com/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story-bowser-jr-s-journey-screenshots/ (https://nintendoeverything.com/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story-bowser-jr-s-journey-screenshots/)

(https://nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/nggallery/mario-luigi/3DS_MarioLuigi-BowsersInsideStoryBowserJrsJourney_SCRN08_bmp_jpgcopy.jpg)

Looks like Junior wears his mask up and is outside of the clown car (both for the first significant time in ages). I suspect the JCC will be a late-game thing.
I do wonder if they're gonna do any equivalent to the Giant Battles though. Probably not.
Meanwhile, now it's Iggy on the not-Clown Car.

If Minion Quest is an indication, this doesn't bode well for the Koopalings...
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 08, 2018, 07:08:54 PM
Screenshots here: https://nintendoeverything.com/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story-bowser-jr-s-journey-screenshots/ (https://nintendoeverything.com/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story-bowser-jr-s-journey-screenshots/)

(https://nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/nggallery/mario-luigi/3DS_MarioLuigi-BowsersInsideStoryBowserJrsJourney_SCRN08_bmp_jpgcopy.jpg)

Looks like Junior wears his mask up and is outside of the clown car (both for the first significant time in ages). I suspect the JCC will be a late-game thing.
I do wonder if they're gonna do any equivalent to the Giant Battles though. Probably not.
Meanwhile, now it's Iggy on the not-Clown Car.

If Minion Quest is an indication, this doesn't bode well for the Koopalings...
At least the Koopalings were plot-relevant in Minion Quest. What was Junior doing when Bowser's Castle flew off?
But yeah, I really hope their writing is better this time around.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mister Wu on March 08, 2018, 07:33:11 PM
At least the Koopalings were plot-relevant in Minion Quest.
Well, when plot-relevant means that
staying away from that might not be that bad after all...
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on March 08, 2018, 07:54:25 PM
I'm very sour over how they skipped Partners in Time.

Like, very sour.
At least you won't have to fear to have one of the PIT characters being replaced by Dr. Toadley

Dr. Toad from the beginning of the game when he inspects Toadsworth would probably be replaced with Dr. Toadley.

Though it's not as stupid as replacing Pyscho Kamek with Dr. Toadley.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: The Stanley Parable Adventure Lineô on March 08, 2018, 08:01:55 PM
I'm very sour over how they skipped Partners in Time.

Like, very sour.
At least you won't have to fear to have one of the PIT characters being replaced by Dr. Toadley

Dr. Toad from the beginning of the game when he inspects Toadsworth would probably be replaced with Dr. Toadley.

Though it's not as stupid as replacing Pyscho Kamek with Dr. Toadley.
THEY REPLACED ANTON WITH THAT WITCHDOCTOR?!
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 08, 2018, 08:04:48 PM
At least the Koopalings were plot-relevant in Minion Quest.
Well, when plot-relevant means that
  • they become ridiculously disrespectful idiots that of course ignore the sane advice of the protagonist and are mind controlled as soon as possible, becoming yet again bosses even though the mode is about the Koopa Troop
  • the dialogue style of a few of them - few, Iggy, Larry, Lemmy and Morton, that's more than 50%! - is yet again changed (of course, Larry was a lost cause before Minion Quest, but still...)
  • they still manage not to talk to Bowser at all, and don't even get original poses in artwork nor in the final image
staying away from that might not be that bad after all...
Fair points. In fairness, the disrespectful idiots might be moreso due to Captain Goomba being, er, a goomba.
What happens to them here is a bit 50:50 considering not all of Bowser's minions were possessed, though unless Fawful uses the Dark Star early to make the Dark Koopalings, it'll probably be brainwashing again.
Big question is will they change their personalities yet again for this one or revert it to how it was in Paper Jam? and will there be any localization changes with their relationship with Junior in this mode, like in Paper Jam with the scene with Roy?

I'm very sour over how they skipped Partners in Time.

Like, very sour.
At least you won't have to fear to have one of the PIT characters being replaced by Dr. Toadley

Dr. Toad from the beginning of the game when he inspects Toadsworth would probably be replaced with Dr. Toadley.

Though it's not as stupid as replacing Pyscho Kamek with Dr. Toadley.
Replacing a hypnosis doctor with another hypnosis doctor is stupid?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on March 08, 2018, 08:08:39 PM
Replacing a hypnosis doctor with another hypnosis doctor is stupid?

I'm sure if you reread your statement you can see how ultimately pointless it is.

Not to mention, it's a cost-saving measure if they recolored the Magikoopa's robes AND it's faithful to the original game.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: winstein on March 08, 2018, 08:15:34 PM
At least this game's interesting compared to Superstar Saga, given I never played Bowser's Inside Story before. Still, the fact that it's once again a remake makes me think the developers are having some down time, which reminds me of a time when the Game Boy Advance got 4 Super Mario Advance games, based on Mario's past adventures.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 08, 2018, 08:40:35 PM
At least this game's interesting compared to Superstar Saga, given I never played Bowser's Inside Story before. Still, the fact that it's once again a remake makes me think the developers are having some down time, which reminds me of a time when the Game Boy Advance got 4 Super Mario Advance games, based on Mario's past adventures.

Thank you for reading.
The problem is that Bowser's Inside Story is already playable on the 3DS since the original game is backwards compatible. It also looks and plays pretty great for a late-life DS game and it probably won't be that different considering SSDX didn't add a Battle Ring and pretty much only made minor and QoL changes.
I'm getting the game, but only for Junior mode and I probably would have bought that on the E-Shop had the option existed.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mintiously on March 08, 2018, 08:42:46 PM
I CLICKED AS SOON AS I READ INSIDE STORY.

*bleep*.

YES.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mister Wu on March 08, 2018, 08:50:42 PM
Big question is will they change their personalities yet again for this one or revert it to how it was in Paper Jam? and will there be any localization changes with their relationship with Junior in this mode, like in Paper Jam with the scene with Roy?
I'm not sure about the personality - Nintendo has not a clear direction for the Koopalings, as the manual of Monopoly Gamer showed. After all, RPGs are still third party games, so I fear that until Nintendo makes them talk in their own games, we won't see consistent writing.

Regarding the localization changes, I'm sure they won't be there: both the Italian and German translation of Minion Quest clarified that Bowser Jr. is Bowser's only son - the German version even went the extra mile and said he is his only offspring, even though the Japanese text didn't state that at all!
Plus, the English story of Super Mario Bros. 3 in the Official Home of Mario (http://mario.nintendo.com/history/) doesn't state that they are Bowser's chidlren or siblings - and even pretend that this is the original story of the manual! -, the story of Super Mario Bros. 3 in the Spanish Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. (https://www.mariowiki.com/images/c/ce/ESMB_Spanish_page_33.png) again omits that they are Bowser's chidlren and siblings while the one of the German Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. (https://www.mariowiki.com/images/5/52/ESMB_German_SMB3_Story.png) even states that Bowser turned seven Koopalings into his subjects!

What happened in Paper Jam wasn't probably liked by Nintendo...
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 08, 2018, 09:07:06 PM
Big question is will they change their personalities yet again for this one or revert it to how it was in Paper Jam? and will there be any localization changes with their relationship with Junior in this mode, like in Paper Jam with the scene with Roy?
I'm not sure about the personality - Nintendo has not a clear direction for the Koopalings, as the manual of Monopoly Gamer showed. After all, RPGs are still third party games, so I fear that until Nintendo makes them talk in their own games, we won't see consistent writing.

Regarding the localization changes, I'm sure they won't be there: both the Italian and German translation of Minion Quest clarified that Bowser Jr. is Bowser's only son - the German version even went the extra mile and said he is his only offspring, even though the Japanese text didn't state that at all!
Plus, the English story of Super Mario Bros. 3 in the Official Home of Mario (http://mario.nintendo.com/history/) doesn't state that they are Bowser's chidlren or siblings - and even pretend that this is the original story of the manual! -, the story of Super Mario Bros. 3 in the Spanish Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. (https://www.mariowiki.com/images/c/ce/ESMB_Spanish_page_33.png) again omits that they are Bowser's chidlren and siblings while the one of the German Encyclopedia Super Mario Bros. (https://www.mariowiki.com/images/5/52/ESMB_German_SMB3_Story.png) even states that Bowser turned seven Koopalings into his subjects!

What happened in Paper Jam wasn't probably liked by Nintendo...

Still, we know enough that Nintendo (or at least, Nintendo of America) should be able to keep them consistent.  Part of the reason I like Paper Jam's take on them is because they felt true to their portrayal in the SMB3 manual or their modern appearances: Lemmy is childish, Larry has a short temper, (though we don't get to see it much) Iggy was crazy and Morton's stupidity came more out of blind loyalty rather than making him a simpleton (and him being the rational thinker to two crazy guys). These shifting portrayals

I also wasn't referring the Koopalings' relationship with Bowser (my feelings vary depending on the moon phases, the week's loto numbers and what opinions on The Koopalings/Bowser Jr. I've seen by whatever point). I was referring to the fact that, supposedly, Bowser Jr. doesn't threaten to tattle on Roy in the Japanese version of Paper Jam.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mister Wu on March 08, 2018, 09:45:12 PM
Indeed, from what I've seen in the Japanese version the relationship is very different: Roy calls him young master and doesn't use disrespectful words toward him, while Bowser Jr. doesn't threaten Roy at all, he just asks for the book saying something on the line of "no point in destroying it!". It's a much more positive relationship.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on March 09, 2018, 01:23:13 AM
This game is a dream come true.  Now I can FINALLY play BIS!

Sorry PiT fans, but weíll see what Nintendo does next.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Julia-BM on March 09, 2018, 01:54:50 AM
I've been meaning to look for a well-priced copy of Bowser's Inside Story as my second Mario RPG (Yes, I haven't been very much an RPG person, except some Roblox RPGs are really, really good.)

I might get this game, since I'm one of the people who's been joking about inflation since I was little. Beware I might want to play the original Nintendo DS version as well to play the original, sometime.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Shygul on March 09, 2018, 02:01:56 AM
I might get this game, since I'm one of the people who's been joking about inflation since I was little.
(https://i.imgur.com/FR5q5di.jpg)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Rintarou Okabe on March 09, 2018, 04:45:45 AM
Im probably gonna get this
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on March 09, 2018, 01:57:50 PM
Well a brand new game would be a waste on the 3DS. They're getting remakes out on it because the system is in its final days. I bet they'll pull a brand new game on the Switch.
No, the 3DS is the handheld counterpart for Switch and Wii U.  Itís nowhere close to its end.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Shy Guy on Wheels on March 09, 2018, 02:03:49 PM
How can the 3DS be a Handheld counterpart to the Switch, if the Switch itself is a Handheld?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on March 09, 2018, 03:44:46 PM
The Switch is officially considered a home console with a handheld mode.  But imo, the 3DS is better anyway.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Nitwit on March 09, 2018, 05:29:56 PM
Maybe they are saving PiT for the Switch remake?

Or they could add a new subtitle due to time traveling being a thing and unless either Bowser Jr. or some other Goomba adds tactical RPG.

This could be tricky?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on March 09, 2018, 07:06:48 PM
Don't get my sister's hope up for HD Partners in Crime.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Yoshi the SSM on March 10, 2018, 09:44:41 AM
By the way, apparently there are badge icons in the Scutlet boss battle. But, it is not suppose to be there. As badges don't appear until Bowser's Castle. Another thing, I don't think the badges fill. Meaning, that this is highly unlikely an X version in the Battle ring.
(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/8/80/M%26LRPG3DX_Scutlet_Battle.jpg)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 10, 2018, 10:17:39 AM
would be nice if they gave bosses new moves or attacks but that would require putting more effort into the game.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Ninelevendo on March 10, 2018, 04:47:23 PM
Honestly I was expecting this, the 3DS will die eventually so the only games they're making are ones that re-use assets and/or are remakes.

The reason that they skipped Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time would most likely be that Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story wouldn't work on anything but a DS, it has touchscreen controls, lots of focus on both screens and other DS-only gimmicks. Partners on Time almost never uses that and as such could be remade on something like the Switch a lot easier than BIS.

Anyway I don't have much hope in this improving the game since they didn't do much with Superstar Saga and the original BIS was near-flawless in the first place. I somehow doubt they're going to change some of the actual issues like those annoying mini games, or the lack of a Bowser battle ring, but I'll probably buy it anyway cause I can't pass up another excuse to play BIS again. Gotta wonder why it's supposed to come out in 2019 tho.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on March 10, 2018, 10:41:53 PM
Maybe so Partners in Time can be the 2018 game, and they accidentally announced BIS instead?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 10, 2018, 11:16:28 PM
I doubt it.

Remaking partners in time correctly to fix it's numerous flaws would require they actually put more than the basic level of effort and for a series that is now farted out almost as regularly as Mario Party, that is unlikely to happen.
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Post by: The Stanley Parable Adventure Lineô on March 11, 2018, 10:29:40 AM
i reckon they're changing the storyline up a bit, so that BIS comes before PIT
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 11, 2018, 11:07:06 AM
i reckon they're changing the storyline up a bit, so that BIS comes before PIT

I reckon they are desperately trying to keep people interested in this series.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on March 11, 2018, 12:37:51 PM
It's working on me, much moreso than Paper Jam :)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 11, 2018, 12:39:39 PM
Yeah but you're a diehard.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Saltman on March 11, 2018, 02:44:29 PM
Well a brand new game would be a waste on the 3DS. They're getting remakes out on it because the system is in its final days. I bet they'll pull a brand new game on the Switch.

Final days? I thought Reggie said it has a long life ahead of it :koopa: .
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Roy Mustang on March 11, 2018, 02:50:48 PM
If they remade PiT, they would have to fix all the issues that game had with balancing, and in all honesty I'm sure they just want to update the graphics of the games and then resell them to people.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on March 11, 2018, 03:18:29 PM
Yeah but you're a diehard.

I mean, I'd ignore the pointlessness of it if it was Partners in Time instead.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 11, 2018, 03:46:06 PM
But that game has such fundamental problems with it that even these by the numbers remakes they are making would already improve it considerably.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 11, 2018, 04:41:00 PM
But that game has such fundamental problems with it that even these by the numbers remakes they are making would already improve it considerably.
Considering how 1:1 SSSDX was, I doubt it.
At best, we'd get what was essentially an international version of the Japanese version.

Yeah but you're a diehard.

I mean, I'd ignore the pointlessness of it if it was Partners in Time instead.
As someone who's a fan of Bowser Jr., I still see this remake as entirely pointless. It's not like Superstar Saga which is a GBA game and had a kinda weird artstyle. It's not even like Partners in Time which had a Japanese version which fixed some of the bigger issues of the international release.
The only logical explanation is that they want to use Fawful again, but he's barely in PiT, so they jumped to Inside Story. 
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on March 11, 2018, 04:43:08 PM
She just wants the babies in the same style as everyone else, game itself be danged.
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Post by: Baby Luigi on March 11, 2018, 04:45:25 PM
also!!! new artwork!!!!!!!!!!! maybe new voice clips!!!!!
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 11, 2018, 04:49:41 PM
Yeah, I figured. Funnily enough, I always wanted a Bowser & Bowser Jr. game...
So the lesson I can give is to keep hoping and someday, you'll get what you want in a way you didn't expect.
Kinda like a Monkey's Paw. Or half of one. 
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mister Wu on March 11, 2018, 06:25:48 PM
Yeah, I figured. Funnily enough, I always wanted a Bowser & Bowser Jr. game...
So the lesson I can give is to keep hoping and someday, you'll get what you want in a way you didn't expect.
Kinda like a Monkey's Paw. Or half of one.
Is this a modern way of saying "Be careful what you wish for"?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on March 12, 2018, 03:10:05 PM
Thereís only one thing that disappoints me.

The original BIS had my 2nd favorite soundtrack of all time (after SMG1, of course).  However, in my opinion, remakes/sequels tend to downscale soundtracks (as we saw with Superstar Saga DX and SMG2).  Now Iím betting a million dollars that the final boss theme wonít be nearly as epic.  If I have one request, Nintendo, donít downscale the soundtrack in this game.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Rintarou Okabe on March 12, 2018, 03:38:16 PM
are you implying anything yoko shimomura touches is going to be bad

do u wanna go
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on March 12, 2018, 03:43:07 PM
No, itís just that the DS naturally makes better music than the 3DS.
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Post by: Yoshi the SSM on March 12, 2018, 04:10:21 PM
Even then, the song would still be part of the soundtrack on the remake. Although, Cackletta's final boss theme is better on the GBA, but 3DS uses some things that a GBA couldn't handle.
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Post by: Borp on March 12, 2018, 07:14:27 PM
No, itís just that the DS naturally makes better music than the 3DS.

what
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 12, 2018, 07:38:18 PM
are you implying anything yoko shimomura touches is going to be bad

do u wanna go
The remake's soundtrack was pretty hit-or-miss though in certain cases and the best track weren't even in the main mode.
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Post by: Team Kirby on March 13, 2018, 01:53:41 AM
are you implying anything yoko shimomura touches is going to be bad

do u wanna go
The remake's soundtrack was pretty hit-or-miss though in certain cases and the best track weren't even in the main mode.
Yeah, you mean the Minion Quest 1 boss theme?  That was awesome.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 13, 2018, 07:20:46 AM
I thought it was pretty meh myself.

Also in order to emphasize how too soon and unnecessary this remake is.
https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/TRSRYArlK4f2wpEB9icuziCm_A58y02l

The website for the original version still exists.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 13, 2018, 05:17:07 PM
I thought it was pretty meh myself.

Also in order to emphasize how too soon and unnecessary this remake is.
https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/TRSRYArlK4f2wpEB9icuziCm_A58y02l

The website for the original version still exists.
In fairness, some games websites remain up for quite a while.
I'm pretty sure you can find the Double Dash website if you look hard enough, for example.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on March 13, 2018, 05:24:36 PM
The Japanese Nintendo website, on its M&L section with all the games, literally links to both the original GBA Superstar Saga website and the one for the remake.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 13, 2018, 06:30:47 PM
In fairness, some games websites remain up for quite a while.
I'm pretty sure you can find the Double Dash website if you look hard enough, for example.

Yeah but Double Dash isn't getting a remake is it? And I didn't have to look hard to find it either.

The Japanese Nintendo website, on its M&L section with all the games, literally links to both the original GBA Superstar Saga website and the one for the remake.

Only further proof at how pointless this remake is.

You know, for a guy who constantly screams about how stagnant Mario can be your acceptance of these remakes is baffling.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on March 13, 2018, 06:41:27 PM
I see these games as highlights from a time when they weren't so stagnant, and the most recent new game was underwhelming so I'm glad they're bringing back old favorites.

Also, I think Mario is breaking out of that stagnant era if Odyssey is anything to go by.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 13, 2018, 06:53:51 PM
This is even worse since they aren't even making new games anymore. It's the most stagnant, devoid of creativity thing a company can do.

Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on March 13, 2018, 06:55:40 PM
I'm confident a new game will come, as I've said before. What is the point of releasing a brand new game on the 3DS this late in its life?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 13, 2018, 06:59:24 PM
I don't know, whats the point in remaking a game I can still play on the 3ds and can actually be found on used games sections of gamestop?

This series is creatively bankrupt and AD clearly needs a break.
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Post by: LeftyGreenMario on March 13, 2018, 07:08:26 PM
I wonder if I'll be more accepting of this remake if it was offered at a low price, comparable to a VC game.

I'm baffled at the release date of this game. For all that time they're spending on this game, they could've actually remade Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time and maybe even make it for the Switch instead. Even if they fail to give Partners in Time any improvements, at least we can say "at least they had that opportunity to remake it to begin with". What opportunity is there for Bowser's Inside Story to be drastically better?

If these games were "highlights", then why not make it like a remaster or graphical update? Why skip out on Partners in Time?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 13, 2018, 07:10:19 PM
Because you can't cash in on a game that wasn't super well received.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on March 13, 2018, 07:16:21 PM
Mario Party though.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 13, 2018, 07:21:26 PM
Didn't sell as much either. Bowser's inside story and superstar saga by comparison are the highest selling games in the series.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on March 13, 2018, 07:42:37 PM
That makes more sense, but it's sadly the most cynical reason. At this point, those two remakes are just cash grabs.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Magikrazy on March 14, 2018, 04:20:31 AM
Didn't we just get an M&L remake last year and another M&L game the year before that?

When did this series turn into *bleep*ing Assassin's Creed with this annual franchise *bleep*?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on March 14, 2018, 08:35:46 AM
They're good games (well I'd say mediocre with Paper Jam but the remakes are good) so I'll gladly take consistent good M&L games to balance out the rarer and less impressive Paper Mario releases lately.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 14, 2018, 09:59:34 AM
Yeah and then you wonder why nobody cares about the series anymore.

If they keep this stagnant *bleep* up the series will be dead within a few years.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: TyrorexDMZ on March 14, 2018, 01:44:51 PM
Didn't we just get an M&L remake last year and another M&L game the year before that?

When did this series turn into *bleep*ing Assassin's Creed with this annual franchise *bleep*?

Every two years (biennial), but your point still stands.

This shortened development cycle is a byproduct of being publicly labeled as the only Mario RPG series. Whereas before Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi traded every two years (give or take) between them, Paper Mario's recent direction means AlphaDream is developing twice as many Mario & Luigi games to try and close the Mario RPG gap, in turn affecting the quality of its final products.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Rintarou Okabe on March 14, 2018, 02:45:49 PM
When did this series turn into *bleep*ing Assassin's Creed with this annual franchise *bleep*?

???

that was uncalled for lol
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 14, 2018, 02:59:42 PM
Didn't we just get an M&L remake last year and another M&L game the year before that?

When did this series turn into *bleep*ing Assassin's Creed with this annual franchise *bleep*?

Every two years (biennial), but your point still stands.

This shortened development cycle is a byproduct of being publicly labeled as the only Mario RPG series. Whereas before Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi traded every two years (give or take) between them, Paper Mario's recent direction means AlphaDream is developing twice as many Mario & Luigi games to try and close the Mario RPG gap, in turn affecting the quality of its final products.

No actually it's because Alpha Dream figured out how to make these things quickly. The only reason it took them as long as it did was in the past they were working on hamtaro games and trouble with 3D.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: MrRoidley on March 14, 2018, 05:30:10 PM
If you ask me, Partners In Time was skipped simply because they'd have to make loads of new sprites for Mario and Luigi carrying the babies, plus the babies's sprites and everything else.
Basically the SS and BIS remakes only exist because the assets are already there so they can cash-in.
Not that I'm complaining though. the SS remake was amazing and I think this one will be as well! And who knows, maybe they have a PIT remake lined up, but since the sprite work would be bigger they're doing it later (maybe for Switch?)

About people wondering where's a new game or why the series is so stale creatively, I guess it's because Dream Team and Paper Jam weren't exactly well received (I know I hate Paper Jam and I've seen many think the same), so maybe they going back to the fanfavorites might show them why the series is/was so loved in the first place? That's a nice way to prepare them up for M&L6
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Post by: LeftyGreenMario on March 14, 2018, 05:33:39 PM
I think it boils down to squeezing the most cash for the least amount of effort. IMO, the Superstar Saga remake was disappointing and had a bunch of odd decisions such as scrapping the Magikoopa doctor and other cutting corners such as the flight Koopas, the Mecha-Chomps, the Bullet Bill snipers (but keeping the Boomerang Bros., huh).

I think Dream Team and Paper Jam is all right, but I think Paper Jam was when AlphaDream is starting to run out of ideas gameplaywise.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on March 14, 2018, 07:22:23 PM
Dream Team was an amazing game.  It was my first M&L RPG and my first good RPG overall (no, Disney Infinity is not a good RPG).  The time I first played it was one of the most nostalgic times in my life.

Paper Jam was also really good, but it just didnít quite live up to its predecessor.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Yoshi the SSM on March 15, 2018, 12:46:16 AM
Dream Team did use things from BIS and try to make it better, but the story didn't work out. Even then, if this game we're talking about took inspiration from Dream Team's improvements, that would be very good.

Anyways. What I liked about Paper Jam was that it took a different direction from the other games. It did have Sticker Star enemies (though with a reward) in two different ways: actual Sticker Star enemies, and familiar enemies. But, I think this is actually good. Although, it would have been nice to add more variety. I mean, you do fight some enemies that are the same, but at different levels. Not to often, but they are there. Battle Cards also are good for the gameplay. I guess that's why they returned in Color Splash, though as the main gimmick.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 17, 2018, 05:52:31 PM
So out of boredom I put a small list together for everything I think this remake should do bare minimum to be worth it.
1. The improved ranking system of paper jam and DT
2. The better gear system from those games as well. Equipable shoes and hammers and all that junk.
3. Boss Arena for giant battles and Bowser battles with a new boss for the latter and maybe giant.
4.An improved Minion Quest. I won't be satisfied with just the same thing with more enemy types, it needs to improve the interaction and make it less passive.
5.Hard mode. It already has the challenge bangle thing, just apply it to a separate mode instead.
6. No microphone junk and all mini-game tutorials are skipable.
7.Every copy must come with a boxed in chocolate shaped like Bowser's shell.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: memoryman3 on March 23, 2018, 04:48:15 PM
Didn't sell as much either. Bowser's inside story and superstar saga by comparison are the highest selling games in the series.

Mario Party's sales completely trumped Superstar Saga's.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on March 23, 2018, 04:52:01 PM
what does mario party have to do with this

nvm i'm illiterate.

i still don't think ad cares much about total net sales in the end. none of their games are huge hits.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on March 23, 2018, 08:35:07 PM
Mario Party's sales completely trumped Superstar Saga's.
The statement was referring to Partners in Time not selling as well as Superstar Saga or Bowser's Inside Story. I brought up Mario Party as a counter-point because I saw only the "they don't want to make subpar games for money" part (and I'm well aware of how Mcmadness views Mario Party despite my disagreement with him over that).

It lead me to conclude that this remake is then a cash grab, on top of how much of a cash-in the Superstar Saga remake was.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: GmanSir on March 26, 2018, 09:34:28 AM
I fail to see how a PiT remake wouldn't be as much of a cashgrab as BiS. I think it's as simple as them wanting to remake the better recived game.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 26, 2018, 10:17:29 AM
You literally pointed out why in your post.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: GmanSir on March 26, 2018, 06:07:12 PM
I mean, remaking PiT would require the same amount of effort. So, you know, they are equally as much as cashgrabs.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on March 26, 2018, 07:21:25 PM
It's the better received game. What better way to make money then to redo a game thats already considered good?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on March 27, 2018, 12:16:01 AM
Partners in Time had serious flaws compared to the other Mario & Luigi game and even if Alpha Dream made little changes to the hypothetical remake, least they gave the game a chance.

Bowser's Inside Story doesn't have the excuse so remaking it aside from a graphical update (which it doesn't need either) is pretty pointless beyond "let's cash in nostalgia".
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 28, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
I mean, remaking PiT would require the same amount of effort. So, you know, they are equally as much as cashgrabs.
Think of it like this: Partners In Time would require sprites for a number of the enemies, the babies, the bro attacks, the Shroobs, so on and so forth.
Inside Story? Well, Bowser's minions play a role in that so you can reuse those sprites, Bowser himself already has a few starting points spritewise between Paper Jam and SSSDX (Maybe even use a few of his Dream Team sprites for a base), Several NPCs already have sprites for the game, some of the enemies including Fawfuls robots have sprites/bases for sprites, even the 3D Battles could probably reuse a few assets from Dream Team and Paper Jam's models.
The most effort would go into the side-mode. The only "large" complaint about Inside Story that a remaster/remake could theoretically fix is Bowser's lack of a Battle Ring and SSSDX shows that AlphaDream probably wouldn't be bothered to do that either.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Qayin on April 17, 2018, 06:11:13 PM
Is it odd that what I look foward most about this remake is knowing if it'll include cameos from Superstar Saga or not?
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Post by: Team Kirby on April 17, 2018, 06:55:14 PM
Iím looking forward to the giant battles.

By the way, is there a game mod, either of Bowserís Inside Story or Dream Team, that lets you fight Giant Luigi as Giant Bowser?  Iíd like to see that.
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on April 17, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
No but that actually entertained the idea of someone doing that using Bowser's giant system in BIS DX after it releases and importing it to Dream Team, or importing Giant Luigi from Dream Team into BIS DX. Considering SPM and TTYD have something similar possible and all the 3DS M&L games use similar engines it miiight work.
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Post by: Team Kirby on April 19, 2018, 01:26:51 AM
This is purely speculation, but I know exactly when the release date is (JP at least...).

February 11, 2019!!!

Try and guess why.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on April 19, 2018, 01:29:37 AM
That's 10 years after the release of the original. Normally that would be great but considering the Japanese release was so much earlier, it would suck to have to wait that long for it again. I think an anniversary release could've worked for the Superstar Saga remake though, since it was only about a month away from the day that original game came out.
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Post by: Team Kirby on April 19, 2018, 01:32:38 AM
Maybe the JP release date?  I edited my post anyway because I didnít want to wait that long.

Reminds me of how we Americans had to wait to get YWW four months after Europe.  It made absolutely NO sense.
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Post by: LeftyGreenMario on April 19, 2018, 03:41:15 PM
I wonder if the Japanese release for this game will come twenty months earlier as what happened with the original game. I hope we're finally done with these kinds of *bleep*ty release dates.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on April 19, 2018, 03:48:34 PM
I wonder if the Japanese release for this game will come twenty months earlier as what happened with the original game. I hope we're finally done with these kinds of *bleep*ty release dates.
Better question: Will the US and Europe versions come out the same time or will one be randomly earlier/later than the other?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on April 19, 2018, 03:51:57 PM
Still would rather have that than the February release date for Bowser's Insides in Japan and Taiwan in February, South Korea in July, and then everyone else's is in Fall.

And IMO, even if they were released in the game day, my geographical placement means everyone else would get it first for a few hours anyway. >:(
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Post by: DryBowzillaJP on April 27, 2018, 05:35:59 PM
Yes I'm so happy for this!  :drybow: :bowser:
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on May 04, 2018, 10:37:18 AM
You know, if they wanted to revisit this game, I'd be ok with a sequel that re-uses or plays with it's gimmick instead of literally the same game.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on May 04, 2018, 06:33:12 PM
You know, if they wanted to revisit this game, I'd be ok with a sequel that re-uses or plays with it's gimmick instead of literally the same game.
There is Dream Team (an intended sequel to BIS), but everyone seems to dislike that game.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on May 04, 2018, 06:39:04 PM
Reminder: They need to do something...Partners-in-Timey before they go dabble in BS.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on May 04, 2018, 07:29:54 PM
Reminder: They need to do something...Partners-in-Timey before they go dabble in BS.
The game I need to get somehow before BIS DX.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on May 04, 2018, 09:59:22 PM
You know, if they wanted to revisit this game, I'd be ok with a sequel that re-uses or plays with it's gimmick instead of literally the same game.
There is Dream Team (an intended sequel to BIS), but everyone seems to dislike that game.
I don't think it's that unpopular, but it's certainly still underrated IMO. It's not Bowser-centric though which is what I think he means.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on May 05, 2018, 12:27:49 AM
Spoiler: quote mountain (click to show/hide)
I don't think it's that unpopular, but it's certainly still underrated IMO. It's not Bowser-centric though which is what I think he means.
I will never understand the criticism of Dream Team, though.  It was superior to both Superstar Saga and Paper Jam imo, although I havenít played either PIT or BIS.  I plan to get PIT along with other games I get for my DS, and BIS through this remake.  Then Iíll really be able to rank them.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on May 05, 2018, 01:28:37 AM
I wouldn't put it above Superstar Saga but it's my third favorite after that and BIS.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on May 05, 2018, 03:44:09 AM
For Dream Team, I've seen the following things said about it:

-Slow, slow, slow pacing
-A lot of padding. A lot of story segments where, for example, you're supposed to meet this *bleep* to advance to the next location, but before you can meet him, you have to get some garbage from someone, which requires you traveling. But it turns out the person is somewhere else, so you have to talk to this guy to get this item to let you travel there instead. When you travel to this guy, turns out he is sleeping, so you need to wake him up, which requires you go into his dream and you FINALLY wake him up...and you forget what you're supposed to be doing in the first place.
-A lot of hand-holding and tutorials.
-Gyroscopic controls for the boss fights is miserable like for Zeekeeper for instance.
-Uninteresting, bland villain where his accent is the extent of his personality.

I haven't played the game though, just relaying stuff I heard of it.
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Post by: Qayin on May 05, 2018, 01:52:52 PM
Antasma was an underwhelming villain. But then again, so was Bowser honestly.

The game struggled to show them as proactive and threatening in the world even with the bit where islands got blased. Antasma in particular didn't really have enough interaction between himself and Bowser to make the turtle's betrayal strike with the first's demise lacking closure.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on May 05, 2018, 05:26:13 PM
-A lot of padding. A lot of story segments where, for example, you're supposed to meet this *bleep* to advance to the next location, but before you can meet him, you have to get some garbage from someone, which requires you traveling. But it turns out the person is somewhere else, so you have to talk to this guy to get this item to let you travel there instead. When you travel to this guy, turns out he is sleeping, so you need to wake him up, which requires you go into his dream and you FINALLY wake him up...and you forget what you're supposed to be doing in the first place.
Ah, the "General White" school of Game Design.
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Post by: Baby Luigi on May 06, 2018, 06:31:58 PM
What is WITH Mario RPGs trying to find ways to waste your time?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on May 06, 2018, 06:43:31 PM
I've never found it a waste. Except for stuff like General White, but in Dream Team the plot behind it makes sense. I enjoyed having more to do before an area ended. The difference between General White and Dream Team's "padding" is that General White had you go back to a random NPC in each previous chapter and there were no new areas to explore. DT had you go back to previous areas but explore different parts of them using new abilities. Also having parts where your goal seems simple but there are roadblocks or unexpected developments that make it longer is nothing new, remember the first Beanstar piece in Superstar Saga where you nearly had it several times but the plot happened in just the right way for it to slip away again? Don't see how DT is any worse than that.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on May 06, 2018, 07:42:47 PM
I guess it's the sort of thing that comes with the gameplay. Mario & Luigi is a more "active" RPG, so they could probably justify you exploring and backtracking through new parts of old areas more easily whereas something like, say, Final Fantasy doesn't really do it that often (The Tower of Babil from FFIV is the one example that comes to mind immediately and I think you still enter through a different place than the first time you go there).
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Post by: Mcmadness on May 07, 2018, 04:19:15 PM
I've never found it a waste. Except for stuff like General White, but in Dream Team the plot behind it makes sense. I enjoyed having more to do before an area ended. The difference between General White and Dream Team's "padding" is that General White had you go back to a random NPC in each previous chapter and there were no new areas to explore. DT had you go back to previous areas but explore different parts of them using new abilities. Also having parts where your goal seems simple but there are roadblocks or unexpected developments that make it longer is nothing new, remember the first Beanstar piece in Superstar Saga where you nearly had it several times but the plot happened in just the right way for it to slip away again? Don't see how DT is any worse than that.

the beanstar pieces had you tracking down one specific piece that lead to a new area altogether and the other 3 took about 3 minutes each to get.

The dreambed pieces each had some form of padded out nonsense in a game that was already going way too long at that point and then you had to awaken the bedsmith to put the bed together in the first place.

Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Qayin on May 07, 2018, 10:18:47 PM
The padding didn't help the villains either considering how much of it when combined with other parts (namely the bosses) had little to nothing of a connection to them beyond a loose one.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on May 07, 2018, 10:41:33 PM
Well, you gotta admit that the fifth Giant Battle in Dream Team is one of the most amazing M&L boss battles yet.  Iím looking forward to playing more of those in Bowserís Inside Story.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on May 08, 2018, 10:14:41 AM
I find the DT giant battles are cool to watch but the giant Bowser ones (Fawful express aside) are more fun to play.
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on May 08, 2018, 10:27:19 AM
Well DT seemed to make it to where missing a counter cost you more heavily, and the later battles had gyro controls that can randomly quit responding completely. For those reasons I prefer BIS's giant battles. I hope the remake allows a button or touch-controlled fire breath as an alternative or replacement for the mic, since that's the one thing that ruined the Fawful Express battle.

It's odd how the gyro controls for some Bros./Luiginary attacks never quit responding, yet the sequences in the giant fights did a lot.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on May 08, 2018, 10:33:49 AM
Probably had something to do with how the system was being held.

And for the love of god please get rid of mic fire breath. Knowing me I'll probably buy the game on the cheap later so I want them to fix some of these issues.
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Post by: Shy Guy on Wheels on May 08, 2018, 11:46:11 AM
and the later battles had gyro controls that can randomly quit responding completely.
I consider the Zeekeeper to be the hardest boss in Dream Team, for that reason alone.
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Post by: Team Kirby on May 08, 2018, 12:36:20 PM
The key is to hold the system exactly as shown in the picture before the gyro segments, and not to start tilting too early.  Keep that in mind, and the Zeekeeper and Bowser battles can actually be quite fun.  Although I will say that they should allow you to reset the gyro sensors with the down button (like in Mario Party: Island Tour).
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Post by: Lightfawful on July 29, 2018, 11:40:08 PM
one of my favorite mario and luigi games is getting a nice looking remake im so happy
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: The Crazy Mr. L Fangirl on August 24, 2018, 03:56:33 PM
I love DT :') A lot of my friends say that DT is their 2nd favorite after BiS. Also I never had a problem with motion controls (I think thats what gyro controls are...) But then again, I like Dark Moon over the original and I don't think that Paper Jam is mediocre, so take my opinion with a bit of salt. 
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on August 24, 2018, 04:03:31 PM
I love DT :') A lot of my friends say that DT is their 2nd favorite after BiS. Also I never had a problem with motion controls (I think thats what gyro controls are...) But then again, I like Dark Moon over the original and I don't think that Paper Jam is mediocre, so take my opinion with a bit of salt.
DT's my favorite too, but I'm afraid that this is the BIS DX topic.  Here's the topic for DT (https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=23819), but I'll warn you that it's been inactive for years.

Alternatively, you can post here (https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=40203).
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on August 24, 2018, 04:14:49 PM
(When you see a new post and it's not new information for the game)

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/0/09/Bowsers_Inside_Story_Dizzy.PNG)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on August 24, 2018, 04:17:44 PM
God dang it I expected new info on this game God dang it I was ninja'd  (https://i.imgur.com/MoT7dpL.gif) (https://tinyurl.com/3a85f91)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on August 24, 2018, 04:52:28 PM
I don't think we'll be hearing a peep out of this till near the end of this year or the beginning of the next.

I'm hoping that since they seem to actually be taking their time with this remake it will actually have some major additions and improvements to actually justify it's existence.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 24, 2018, 05:31:23 PM
I don't think we'll be hearing a peep out of this till near the end of this year or the beginning of the next.

I'm hoping that since they seem to actually be taking their time with this remake it will actually have some major additions and improvements to actually justify it's existence.
You know it won't. They couldn't even be bothered to add a Battle Ring to Superstar Saga.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on August 24, 2018, 05:33:09 PM
Just set your expectations like really low for this one.

So they can impress you by doing pretty much nothing  :luigi:
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: The Crazy Mr. L Fangirl on August 24, 2018, 06:28:46 PM
 :smug:
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on August 24, 2018, 07:12:24 PM
Just set your expectations like really low for this one.

So they can impress you by doing pretty much nothing  :luigi:
This is still pretty big for me, because I didn't experience it the first time around. :)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: HG-The-Hamster on August 24, 2018, 07:46:01 PM
I got a bit excited when this board lit up

I thought there was new info lmao
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on August 24, 2018, 07:51:24 PM
I got a bit excited when this board lit up

I thought there was new info lmao
You're not alone...
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on September 13, 2018, 07:03:14 PM
There's a new trailer!



Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Weasel on September 13, 2018, 07:06:10 PM
GLORIOUS KINGSHIP

will be buying asap
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on September 13, 2018, 07:11:56 PM
Well they seem to be adding more elements of strategy to Minion Quest, which is nice.

Still not super excited for this though.
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Post by: Borp on September 13, 2018, 07:26:18 PM
Glad to see I'm back.  :yoshi:
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on September 13, 2018, 07:56:21 PM
There's a new trailer!



Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Seems like they're more willing to take liberties this time around, plotwise. Junior actually meets the bros for example.
Also, the amount of units has increased to 15.
Also, hey beatniks. Can we put these fears about no more OCs to rest now?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on September 13, 2018, 08:00:51 PM
Sure, this series hasn't been my main concern in that regard anyway. I fully believe Paper Jam was at least in part the fault of modern Papleehhhh... pft pft. ahem. Papeuuughhhh--- Ahem. You get the picture.
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Post by: Mcmadness on September 13, 2018, 08:05:55 PM
Or it was because the developers specifically chose to do that like they flat out said they did.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: YoshiEgg1990 on September 13, 2018, 08:07:56 PM
(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/thumb/6/62/M%26L_BIS%2BBJJ_Box_art.jpg/300px-M%26L_BIS%2BBJJ_Box_art.jpg)
Here's the box art. Not really original :(
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on September 13, 2018, 08:10:53 PM
Sure, this series hasn't been my main concern in that regard anyway. I fully believe Paper Jam was at least in part the fault of modern Papleehhhh... pft pft. ahem. Papeuuughhhh--- Ahem. You get the picture.
Well, they did say in the Miiting that the reason there were no OCs was because of all the Paper doubles running around, so in a weird way, it was.
Hopefully, the fact that almost every other facet of the Mario series (including Mario Tennis) can branch out should serve as a wake up call. Either that or have someone sit Tanabe down and tell him that there are more friendly characters than Toads...

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/thumb/6/62/M%26L_BIS%2BBJJ_Box_art.jpg/300px-M%26L_BIS%2BBJJ_Box_art.jpg)
Here's the box art. Not really original :(
That's a shame. I think Luigi's the only original asset on that box.
Wonder if the other regions will pull a SS + BM.
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Post by: Baby Luigi on September 13, 2018, 08:12:23 PM
At least it looks better than the original box art

Which isn't saying much.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on September 13, 2018, 08:44:58 PM
Screenshots are in:
https://nintendoeverything.com/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story-bowser-jrs-journey-boxart-screenshots/
Looks like you can choose actions for the sub-captain as well.
Also, King Bob-Omb's timer gimmick seems to be back.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on September 13, 2018, 11:02:19 PM
Something about Luigi looks off to me. I'm not impressed with the boxart tbh, it's... technically an improvement but it's not even as interesting as the American SSS DX boxart which still featured a lineup of major characters. Bowser is the most blatant reuse of artwork I see here too. They literally took him from the original box, touched up his colors and pasted him here. Bowser Jr looks ripped straight out of Paper Jam. I'm really hoping we get more original artwork than this.

Also, they still haven't shown Fawful at all. Might his sprites just not be finished yet or what? I want to see em!
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Moldo on September 14, 2018, 08:12:31 AM
Ugh, I wish they had done something different than another Minion Quest. It was fun, but if they're gonna rerelease add something new for crying out loud!
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mister Apple on September 14, 2018, 03:39:38 PM
The new characters halfway through the trailer are called Bodgorg and Flisteck in my mind and nothing will change that.
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Post by: Shy Guy on Wheels on September 14, 2018, 04:05:26 PM
The most interesting thing about the above post for me is the fact that Mister Apple actually just posted something.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: HG-The-Hamster on September 14, 2018, 07:43:51 PM
I don't like they reused Bowser Jr's artwork from Paper Jam
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on September 14, 2018, 08:40:57 PM
I don't like they reused Bowser Jr's artwork from Paper Jam
It screams lazyness, especially after how Minion Quest got its own artwork.
Also the Directs used Junior's full Paper Jam artwork despite the Junior Clown Car being totally absent so far.

Also, they still haven't shown Fawful at all. Might his sprites just not be finished yet or what? I want to see em!
He'll probably be reusing a number of his SSS remake sprites, so I doubt that's the reason.
Then again, we've only seen minor bits of the game thus far, and the current focus appears to be on the Bowser Jr.'s Journey part of the game. Fawful and Midbus will probably pop up when we get an overview trailer like the previous remake (and that's assuming we get one this time).
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on September 14, 2018, 08:56:46 PM
I'd hope not. His outfit is completely different in BIS.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on September 15, 2018, 01:29:52 PM
I don't like they reused Bowser Jr's artwork from Paper Jam
It screams lazyness, especially after how Minion Quest got its own artwork.

That sounds about just on par with this game. Just recycling as much assets as possible.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Marie on September 15, 2018, 01:57:33 PM
Reusing assets from old games for ports and remakes has been one of the sole methods of keeping the 3DS alive since late 2017, so it's no surprise.
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Post by: Baby Luigi on September 15, 2018, 02:01:55 PM
So confirming the 3DS is now on life support. Good.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on September 15, 2018, 02:43:48 PM
I don't like they reused Bowser Jr's artwork from Paper Jam
It screams lazyness, especially after how Minion Quest got its own artwork.

That sounds about just on par with this game. Just recycling as much assets as possible.
In fairness, they seem to be creating some new assets like the two new characters and redoing Bowser Jr. (and the Koopalings?) overworld sprites to better match the BIS perspective than the Paper Jam one.
How many did the original Minion Quest have?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on September 15, 2018, 02:49:43 PM
I hope this doesn't have any clashing overworld sprites during a battle sequence like Minion Quest did. All those new sprites for Prince Peasley yet they couldn't make any battle-perspective versions for Minion Quest.
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Post by: Mcmadness on September 15, 2018, 03:17:58 PM
Here's hoping that whomever those 2 new peeps are aren't utterly irritating or their only definable feature is talking funny.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on September 15, 2018, 04:59:19 PM
Well they look artsy.
Maybe they'll be walking references to the paintbrush?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on September 17, 2018, 11:21:29 AM
Probably not.

Also minor nitpicks. I don't like that ever since DT Bowser's sprites don't have the hexagons on his shell.

2nd thing. After this game I never want another "Bowser's minions get brainwashed" thing to happen in this series ever again.

If another badguy comes round, just give em their own minions or they don't have any but don't need any beyond like, one of 2.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on September 18, 2018, 07:05:54 PM
What if they do another thing like the Shroobs where they have minions that are coincidentally like the Mushroom Kingdom counterpart?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on September 18, 2018, 07:41:32 PM
At that point I'd rather just have the shroobs again. If there is one thing I hate it's redundant characters.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on September 18, 2018, 07:46:53 PM
Personally, I think it has potential to be interesting like with the Shroob Rex or Yoob from Partners in Time but...I think Bowser's Inside Story took it a wee bit far and was a bit lazy with it? They just slapped Fawful's face on a Magikoopa and called it a day for example.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on September 18, 2018, 08:54:59 PM
At least those Magikoopas apparently knew how to conduct an orchestra.

It's not likely at all since Nintendo doesn't really design with hackers/modders in mind, but I hope this remake has more sound programming between M&L and Bowser's battles. So that I can hack one into another's boss fights and have a semi-functional experience. Especially making Bowser fight himself.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on September 18, 2018, 08:57:09 PM
Really depends on how they build their game to begin with. no hacks for Mario & Luigi games have been made, as far as i'm concerned or know (but if there was would be cool to let me know)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mister Wu on September 18, 2018, 09:24:22 PM
Really depends on how they build their game to begin with. no hacks for Mario & Luigi games have been made, as far as i'm concerned or know (but if there was would be cool to let me know)
Not sure if that's what you meant, but...
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Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on September 18, 2018, 11:43:46 PM
Personally, I think it has potential to be interesting like with the Shroob Rex or Yoob from Partners in Time but...I think Bowser's Inside Story took it a wee bit far and was a bit lazy with it? They just slapped Fawful's face on a Magikoopa and called it a day for example.
Eh, it wasn't so bad. It was mostly just 3 or 4 enemies that were regular Bowser minions with a mask.
Or in chain chomp's case a weird bird thing sticking out of it's head.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on September 19, 2018, 12:12:28 AM
Actually that's a Sworm from Superstar Saga. Fawfulized as well of course.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on September 19, 2018, 12:17:02 AM
Ah yes right.

Still looks like a bird to me though.

Also for consistency's sake Fawful needs his own battle theme when Bowser fights him. Every other badguy in the series got one so he should as well.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on September 20, 2018, 07:36:04 PM
Well it might happen since they fixed his battle theme from SSS in the remake (he has more relation to Cackletta than Popple and it was always a remix of both their themes).

But idk, they didn't bother giving Popple his theme in DT even though it was one of the most popular things about him.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on September 21, 2018, 01:25:05 AM
"They didn't bother" seems to be a recurring thing with them these last few games.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: PrinceLarryKoopa88 on September 23, 2018, 04:30:01 PM
What if they do another thing like the Shroobs where they have minions that are coincidentally like the Mushroom Kingdom counterpart?
Is PiT even canon to Nintendo anymore?
I feel like they're gonna delete that Shroob scene.
Or maybe just keep it as a hint  ;)
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Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on September 23, 2018, 04:44:30 PM
Er, no because you see images of Shroobs in Mario's house in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. Which... gives me interesting questions but canon and continuity, what's that?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on September 23, 2018, 04:45:10 PM
PiT got hints and acknowledgements in Superstar Saga + Bowser's Minions (with a movie poster and E. Gadd talking about building a time machine) and I really doubt they're going to drop the Shroob boss fight in this remake (because I don't think the remake got rid of any boss fights)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on September 23, 2018, 05:00:23 PM
Er, no because you see images of Shroobs in Mario's house in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. Which... gives me interesting questions but canon and continuity, what's that?

Well that game is both in the future but also in the past so that can be explained.

The movie posters of games that haven't happened yet however....
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on September 23, 2018, 07:11:02 PM
Broque Monsieur and Broque Madame starring in a movie doesn't inherently mean it's a BIS adaptation. The DT one could possibly be based on the ancient Pi'illo Kingdom before or when Antasma's initial shenanigans happened. Paper Jam is the only one that doesn't have a backstory or specific characters that could've been referenced before SSS (why is that not surprising), so that's probably why it wasn't referenced on a poster (unless a Cheep Cheep was supposed to be a reference to it)

I think these make way more sense than all Francis's toys and posters and junk, not that I don't welcome that beautiful fanservice and miss it in Paper Mario but still.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on September 24, 2018, 04:34:37 PM
One thing I will say about this remake is that it's doing the thing I wish the superstar saga remake had done where they re-animated cutscenes to give them a more dynamic look.

Like the green toad guy rolling threw the wall for example.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on September 24, 2018, 05:24:49 PM
I'm looking forward to the giant bosses and maybe more with 3D models too. Maybe Dark Bowser will be 3D when he gets big, and I'm already drooling over the knowledge that at least Fawful's head will be officially modeled (for the train and the Dark Star Core).

I do think it's a bit of a shame that we didn't get any glorious 3D Beanbean Kingdom models though.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on September 24, 2018, 05:38:27 PM
I actually wish they had made it with 2D sprites on a 3D plain like they had done with DT and PJ.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mister Wu on September 25, 2018, 09:09:20 PM
It must be said that the SSS + BM highlighted the "this story is actually a movie" bit even more, so events and characters from following games being referenced surprises only up to a certain point, since the whole story is just a movie shown in a not-well-defined point in the timeline.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on October 02, 2018, 01:04:56 PM
If you listen closely, in the September Direct trailer, you can hear the boss themes for both modes.  It seems that the main game's boss battle theme manages to keep the charm of the DS original, while the Bowser Jr's Journey boss theme sounds as good as that of Minion Quest.

Is it possible at all to rip the themes from the Direct trailer and publish them to YouTube?  That would be great.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Magic_Pumpkin18 on October 06, 2018, 01:51:28 PM
I was kind of hoping that they would introduce Bowser Jr. in the "Super Mario" lineup of amiibo, as A: Toys 'R Us is closed, and B: his original Smash variant goes for about $50 on Amazon.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on October 06, 2018, 01:52:25 PM
Bowser Jr. does need a proper amiibo, and Toadette's long overdue for an amiibo. Is Mario Party Star Rush even coded to read Toadette amiiboes?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on October 06, 2018, 02:21:14 PM
I think amiibos are on the way out to be honest.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on October 06, 2018, 02:31:53 PM
You could be right too, which is a shame because I like little figures and all. The Toys to Life fad pretty much died at this point.
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Post by: Mcmadness on October 06, 2018, 02:46:15 PM
Yeah I feel like they'll make these last bunch of smash amiibos and then be done with the whole thing.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on October 06, 2018, 03:18:16 PM
I think they can just continue the spirit of Amiibo without tying them into games. So releasing lines of regular high-quality figures based on Smash fighters and whatnot. I do want them to up their merch game in general, I want more merch of M&L series/characters for one thing. Especially since my Fawful stylus decided to go into hiding somewhere and I haven't seen it in nearly a year :'(

Maybe this game gets merch that's more than some Japan exclusive screen cleaner with pasted artwork. Possibly they bring back the styluses, though I really just want a world of Nintendo line based on the series or including it.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: WeirdDave13 on October 12, 2018, 12:12:51 AM
So, is a PIT remake coming to? Maybe it could be something about the other babies, like Wario and Daisy.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on October 12, 2018, 12:18:01 AM
So, is a PIT remake coming to? Maybe it could be something about the other babies, like Wario and Daisy.
As of now, a PIT remake has not been announced.  We don't know when or if it's coming.
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Post by: Baby Luigi on October 12, 2018, 12:18:18 AM
WILL it come? For the love of god. Please make it come. Later. Or ever.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on October 12, 2018, 07:52:31 AM
I still think PIT would be the one they put on Switch if they put any on Switch. Well aside from Superstar Saga but it was already remade and was probably already in 3DS development before the Switch released/announced (if the music in Paper Jam is anything to go by). So out of the two DS games, PIT is the most adaptable to one screen and only used touch controls for one minor part. If they were making PIT for Switch, it still makes sense they'd announce/release BIS first as the 3DS is a dying console. Also the Super Mario Advance games sure as hell weren't in original release order.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on October 12, 2018, 10:58:54 AM
I still think PIT would be the one they put on Switch if they put any on Switch. Well aside from Superstar Saga but it was already remade and was probably already in 3DS development before the Switch released/announced (if the music in Paper Jam is anything to go by). So out of the two DS games, PIT is the most adaptable to one screen and only used touch controls for one minor part. If they were making PIT for Switch, it still makes sense they'd announce/release BIS first as the 3DS is a dying console. Also the Super Mario Advance games sure as hell weren't in original release order.
Actually they were, except SMB3 was moved to last for some reason.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on October 12, 2018, 01:59:31 PM
Uh, that doesn't mean they were if only the first three were and 3, which should have been second, was moved to last.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Borp on October 13, 2018, 04:25:55 PM
Pretty sure 2-4-5-3 isn't proper order.  :yoshi:
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on October 13, 2018, 05:13:39 PM
Uh, that doesn't mean they were if only the first three were and 3, which should have been second, was moved to last.
Pretty sure 2-4-5-3 isn't proper order.  :yoshi:
Mario Advance was only part of a large line of Mario ports.  Look at this...

SMB1+2J > SMB2I > SMW > YI > SMB3 > SM64

Except for SMB3, they were all ported in original release order.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on October 13, 2018, 06:48:34 PM
Even if you consider that, what makes PIT being moved backward in this set any stranger than Mario 3 in that one? Not that 64 DS had anything to do with the Super Mario Advance series.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on October 14, 2018, 09:22:44 AM
I really hope they buff Dark Bowser this time round. Always felt like his part of the finale was way too easy compared to what the bros go through.

I mean just a measly 1000 health? Midbus had over twice that!
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on October 14, 2018, 11:08:55 AM
I think it's because, assuming that you don't kill the Fawful Bug in one go, you have to redo that phase multiple times.
And if you're really unlucky, you could be like kid-me who didn't realize you had to eat the bug after getting it out of Dark Bowser's body.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on October 14, 2018, 11:10:27 AM
And with how easy it is to break that game, I'd always kill the bug in one go.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Shygul on October 16, 2018, 01:24:17 AM
honestly it took me about a month to realize i could suck the bug up by pressing x and y at the same time because holy *bleep* just one button by itself wouldnt work
granted i was like 10 but still
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Moldo on October 16, 2018, 08:15:48 AM
honestly it took me about a month to realize i could suck the bug up by pressing x and y at the same time because holy *bleep* just one button by itself wouldnt work
granted i was like 10 but still

what? Both buttons?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Shygul on October 16, 2018, 02:05:33 PM
honestly it took me about a month to realize i could suck the bug up by pressing x and y at the same time because holy *bleep* just one button by itself wouldnt work
granted i was like 10 but still

what? Both buttons?
that is what i just said yes
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on November 22, 2018, 03:49:14 PM
https://twitter.com/sweet_orange80/status/1065568400380850176
Looks like some new artwork coming in soon, based on Corocoro.
Also Lemmy confirmed, for the one or two who had a shadow of a doubt.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on November 22, 2018, 06:37:10 PM
Well they are a package deal, barring one or two exceptions.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: DrewV1234 on November 27, 2018, 07:41:11 PM
I'm pretty sure they will remake PIT after BIS, I'm guessing they skipped it for NOW, because it didn't sell well. Let's just be patient for PIT remake like I am, right now I'm just REALLY happy and excited for the BIS remake. ^^
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on November 27, 2018, 08:42:21 PM
I'm pretty sure they will remake PIT after BIS, I'm guessing they skipped it for NOW, because it didn't sell well. Let's just be patient for PIT remake like I am, right now I'm just REALLY happy and excited for the BIS remake. ^^
Partners in Time sold 1.39 million, and I wouldn't call that poor sales.  It was Paper Jam that sold poorly (less than 1 million).
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: DrewV1234 on November 27, 2018, 08:46:25 PM
Well, I'm talking about comparing to BIS ^^"
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: DrewV1234 on November 27, 2018, 08:48:26 PM
I mean BIS sold around 4 million I think.... :/
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Moldo on November 28, 2018, 11:35:44 AM
Hey, Drew? Try not to double post, OK? That's when you post twice in a row. If you have something else to say, just modify/edit your post.

Be sure to read the rules also.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: DrewV1234 on November 28, 2018, 12:21:33 PM
oh, sorry, i didn't know that.. ^^""
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on November 29, 2018, 09:34:53 AM
Japanese site's up, along with a clean version of the artwork posted last thread.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/a3rj/index.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20181129&utm_campaign=a3rj
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtKiAc4VsAEe_WQ.png:orig)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Saltman on November 29, 2018, 10:47:20 AM
Is Morton holding a chicken leg?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on November 29, 2018, 11:55:57 AM
(https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/a3rj/assets/images/junior/ss_p.png)

A piece of pink poop is a character.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on November 29, 2018, 12:25:09 PM
I'm back. Having used the site and trying to parse stuff with an online translator, here's some stuff about the sub-mode (if anybody knows Japanese, correct me if I'm wrong):
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: DrewV1234 on November 29, 2018, 12:27:55 PM
wow, this got me even more excited!! ^^ thank you, for letting me know
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on November 29, 2018, 02:32:19 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on November 29, 2018, 03:02:04 PM
I'll look at the site in-depth soon (I want to record a video of it) but for now,
(Bowser amiibo = some kind of EXP Drumstick)
Great, looks like people who have an amiibo scanner or New 3DS (aka not me) will be able to literally scan in as much EXP as they want. That's not broken at all.

Also, I did look a bit at the site with my (slow as hell) phone earlier during lunch, and I only saw one Fawful and he had his back turned. Why must you tease me Nintendo? (I know he might be in another screenshot, I haven't looked too much into it yet)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on November 29, 2018, 03:26:09 PM
I'll look at the site in-depth soon (I want to record a video of it) but for now,
(Bowser amiibo = some kind of EXP Drumstick)
Great, looks like people who have an amiibo scanner or New 3DS (aka not me) will be able to literally scan in as much EXP as they want. That's not broken at all.

Also, I did look a bit at the site with my (slow as hell) phone earlier during lunch, and I only saw one Fawful and he had his back turned. Why must you tease me Nintendo? (I know he might be in another screenshot, I haven't looked too much into it yet)
I know he has at least two screenshots (not big ones, but both from the front), one of them being him during the Fawful Theater segment (I think. It's been a while since I played BIS). Midbus also had a few screenshots (one from right when he's about to fight Bowser and one from the Bowser's Castle giant fight, giving us a look at his model).
And yeah, the amiibo could make the game broken, but will it help you get the low-level ending? 
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: DrewV1234 on November 29, 2018, 03:31:31 PM
hi fawfulthegreat64, i love your videos and your reactions to this game ^^ im excited for this as well!!
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on November 29, 2018, 03:33:43 PM
I feel like they made Fawful's sprite smaller.

Makes sense I guess.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on November 29, 2018, 04:59:37 PM
I'll look at the site in-depth soon (I want to record a video of it) but for now,
(Bowser amiibo = some kind of EXP Drumstick)
Great, looks like people who have an amiibo scanner or New 3DS (aka not me) will be able to literally scan in as much EXP as they want. That's not broken at all.

Also, I did look a bit at the site with my (slow as hell) phone earlier during lunch, and I only saw one Fawful and he had his back turned. Why must you tease me Nintendo? (I know he might be in another screenshot, I haven't looked too much into it yet)
I know he has at least two screenshots (not big ones, but both from the front), one of them being him during the Fawful Theater segment (I think. It's been a while since I played BIS). Midbus also had a few screenshots (one from right when he's about to fight Bowser and one from the Bowser's Castle giant fight, giving us a look at his model).
And yeah, the amiibo could make the game broken, but will it help you get the low-level ending?
There will probably be a limit to how often you can use the amiibo (once per day, probably), and it probably won't offer much EXP anyway.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on November 30, 2018, 08:02:00 AM
Spoiler: Perfection (click to show/hide)

Where the hell is his new artwork though? Tell me the main villain is relevant enough to get new artwork right?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on November 30, 2018, 08:03:54 AM
Clearly they are fans of the 3 Rs.

Speaking of artwork, I don't like to say something looks bad but that new Bowser artwork with the crossed arms is just.....not good.
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on November 30, 2018, 08:17:01 AM
His head looks too small.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on November 30, 2018, 08:24:09 AM
Also google translating the website is fun.

Mario & Luigi adventure in the body of Kuppa, Koppa to adventure the kingdom of mushrooms without knowing it. Each action is the key to save the Kingdom of Mushrooms! What? Proceed with each other!

Awesome "Metachoro Disease" was
also spreading to Kupa Castle ∑ ∑ ∑ ∑!
It got up to save everyone,
Selfish little Bunny 's Kupa Jr.! !
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Post by: Baby Luigi on November 30, 2018, 02:08:35 PM
(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/a/a5/BISDX_Artwork_-_Bowser.png)

It's really annoying when they flatten his snout like they do in this other artwork of him (https://www.mariowiki.com/images/thumb/7/7d/Koopalings_Airship_Artwork.jpg/600px-Koopalings_Airship_Artwork.jpg). It's too extremely foreshortened.
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Post by: LeftyGreenMario on November 30, 2018, 02:56:53 PM
God Bowser looks like he lost weight.
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Post by: Moldo on November 30, 2018, 03:11:20 PM
Ewwww he looks so weird.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on November 30, 2018, 03:11:37 PM
Also google translating the website is fun.

Mario & Luigi adventure in the body of Kuppa, Koppa to adventure the kingdom of mushrooms without knowing it. Each action is the key to save the Kingdom of Mushrooms! What? Proceed with each other!

Awesome "Metachoro Disease" was
also spreading to Kupa Castle ∑ ∑ ∑ ∑!
It got up to save everyone,
Selfish little Bunny 's Kupa Jr.! !
I loved reading the translations. I also liked the ones where they called Bowser "Satan" and Bowser Jr. "Buddha" lol
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on November 30, 2018, 04:58:28 PM
Google translating official sites and Japanese Wikipedia is a comedy gold mine.
Case in point, Mad Scienstein's description on the JP wikipedia's WL3 page translates to:
Quote
Mad-city
I attack by using drugs that become transparent humans when I touch them.

Anyways,
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/432435579309785090/518183067626504195/unknown.png)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on November 30, 2018, 05:03:23 PM
It's really annoying when they flatten his snout like they do in this other artwork of him (https://www.mariowiki.com/images/thumb/7/7d/Koopalings_Airship_Artwork.jpg/600px-Koopalings_Airship_Artwork.jpg). It's too extremely foreshortened.

Well.... (https://www.mariowiki.com/images/d/d3/BowserSMB.png)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on December 04, 2018, 06:19:30 PM


I can't tell if the attacks are faster or slower.

Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on December 04, 2018, 07:31:47 PM
The Goombas look more like their in a ball on the thumbnail, at any rate, instead of just in a circle.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mister Wu on December 06, 2018, 09:46:20 PM
(https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/a3rj/assets/images/junior/battle02_01.png)
I have a bad feeling about this picture...
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Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on December 06, 2018, 09:49:00 PM
(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/9/94/SS_Bowser_Jr.%27s_Journey.png)
As do I about this one. Where were these colorful Dragon Ball villains in the original?
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Post by: Mcmadness on December 06, 2018, 09:50:36 PM
(https://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/a3rj/assets/images/junior/battle02_01.png)
I have a bad feeling about this picture...

Whats wrong with it?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on December 06, 2018, 10:07:30 PM
The butt-slapper's the boss of the enemy team?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mister Wu on December 06, 2018, 10:21:32 PM
Rehaving the same brainwashed Koopalings plot doesn't look too enticing to me, hopefully it's just a red herring and this time the plot doesn't revolve around rescuing them from brainwashing... again.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on December 07, 2018, 05:49:48 AM
Iggy probably rebelled because it's an opportunity to kill Piranha Plants out of revenge that his hair is no longer the only plant in Smash. Though, Wendy is the boss here it seems.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 07, 2018, 07:52:43 AM
Rehaving the same brainwashed Koopalings plot doesn't look too enticing to me, hopefully it's just a red herring and this time the plot doesn't revolve around rescuing them from brainwashing... again.
Considering Brainwashing was a factor in the Koopa Troop turning against Bowser himself (along with Morton having an aura) I feel that's likely.
At the same time, a plot point of the story is that the Koopalings get fed up with Junior's arrogance and attitude towards them so it's not entirely unlikely that some fights at least will be them willingly revolting.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on December 07, 2018, 08:13:51 AM
So, at the moment I'm pretty convinced those 3 are going to be the antagonists of Bowser jr's story alongside Fawful.

But do they work for Fawful? Are they 3 schmoes trying to do their own thing? Or am I completely wrong and they are just amusing side characters?

Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: DrewV1234 on December 12, 2018, 08:10:50 PM
Here's the new Japanese commercial for the game:


&t=0s
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on December 12, 2018, 08:43:19 PM
So the jr mode's got swoopers huh?

Neato.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 12, 2018, 08:44:28 PM
I was wondering when the overview trailer would drop.
That part with Bowz at the clinic at the beginning tho.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on December 12, 2018, 08:46:57 PM
Feels weird seeing the main series designs there, including the Mario and Luigi silhouettes. Mario & Luigi has always been pretty insistent on keeping its own style.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 12, 2018, 09:00:13 PM
I guess either Nintendo made that scene in-house or AD didn't want to use 3DS-tier models for it.
Or both.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on December 13, 2018, 11:53:55 AM
Or they just view it as all one collective identity.

I mean Bowser has the least amount of differences (if any) in the M&L style of any major Mario character and it's just some silhouettes for the bros so it's hardly a big deal.

On another note, not sure if I like the rotating punch thing (it's presumably a finishing move like the star driver) mainly because I generally have a hard time doing clockwise rotations.

 
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on December 13, 2018, 12:30:58 PM
Bowser's still more expressive in the M&L games than he normally is, at any rate.

(And that's not even getting into how in the Western SS, he was an ugly frog thing on the overworld)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Yoshi the SSM on December 13, 2018, 01:41:13 PM
On another note, not sure if I like the rotating punch thing (it's presumably a finishing move like the star driver) mainly because I generally have a hard time doing clockwise rotations.

I believe it is since if look at 2:45 to 2:52, you can see that Bowser's Castle go from little health to no health in the bar.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on December 13, 2018, 07:08:18 PM
Bowser's still more expressive in the M&L games than he normally is, at any rate.

(And that's not even getting into how in the Western SS, he was an ugly frog thing on the overworld)

Well thats a given for this series. They got quality sprite work.

I believe it is since if look at 2:45 to 2:52, you can see that Bowser's Castle go from little health to no health in the bar.

Makes me wonder if they got rid of exp from giant battles like in DT.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: DrewV1234 on December 14, 2018, 04:51:34 PM
Here's a video of more gameplay footage for the game ^^


&t=21s
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on December 14, 2018, 05:38:11 PM
I was gonna mention how fat Midbus was, but looking into the new mode, I'm seeing Captain Goomba, Spikes, Bullies, King Bob-omb, Ninjis, Yellow Biddybuds, and Oho Jees of all things.

And of course they ended that with a friggin' Big Tail Goomba, proving their obsession with those things once and for all.
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Post by: Mcmadness on December 14, 2018, 06:05:27 PM
It's amusing how some of those clips are from basically the end of the game.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Yoshi the SSM on December 20, 2018, 02:17:45 PM
Looks like the English site is up: https://marioandluigibowsersinsidestory.nintendo.com/ (https://marioandluigibowsersinsidestory.nintendo.com/). And this game looks better than the original in many things, not just graphics. It also improves the stragedy of the Minion/Bowser Jr. mode.
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Post by: Mcmadness on December 20, 2018, 03:03:21 PM
I find it a bit lacking visually compared to the Japanese one but it's nice to know you don't have to use the microphone to breath fire in giant battles.
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on December 20, 2018, 03:59:49 PM
The giant battle animations look pretty stiff and slow compared to Dream Team's animations.
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Post by: Mcmadness on December 20, 2018, 05:37:12 PM
Indeed. It's kinda off putting.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on December 21, 2018, 05:31:32 PM
(https://marioandluigibowsersinsidestory.nintendo.com/assets/img/buy-now/bg_right_Jr.png)

These don't really go together. You can tell Fawful is older artwork just by how he's just in such a default, less expressive pose, and the dirtier shading on his hovercraft and cloak. He really has a lot of expression in this game that I wish the artwork embodied more.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 21, 2018, 06:51:33 PM
(https://marioandluigibowsersinsidestory.nintendo.com/assets/img/buy-now/bg_right_Jr.png)

These don't really go together. You can tell Fawful is older artwork just by how he's just in such a default, less expressive pose, and the dirtier shading on his hovercraft and cloak. He really has a lot of expression in this game that I wish the artwork embodied more.
To be slightly fair, the Junior artwork was also taken Paper Jam, so it's not new either.
Still, if Mario, Luigi and Bowser can get new artwork, Fawful should too (though if SSSDX is any indication, it'd just look similar to the one he already has).
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on December 21, 2018, 06:59:26 PM
I initially thought it was ripped from Paper Jam too but apparently they touched it up to fit with this game's art style vs the more crayon-like Paper Jam art style. Still not heavily changed but I think the 3DS M&L games in general upped the standard for expressiveness in artwork.

I'd like artwork that resembles the stuff in this art, with more dynamic shading and angle. Perhaps an artwork version of one of the very energetic poses he strikes during the Fawful Theater segment. This reused one of him staring into space is just unfitting for the character by the 3DS M&L standards. I also kind of suspect that this remake isn't gonna give us a hi-res version of the Dark Fawful artwork currently only seen as a barely discernible icon in a physical guide for the original DS game.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 21, 2018, 07:17:26 PM
Found a Japanese page covering the game as well. Has some screenshots and info (if you can read Japanese or have a halfway decent translator). They also changed the title screen, which I have mixed feelings about (On one hand, I liked the duality of Peach and Bowser's Castles. On the other, it seems to set a duality between the Mario Bros and Bowz & Son). And also, there's a slightly different version of the key art which also has Bowser Jr. unlike most which just have the bros and Bowser.
https://www.4gamer.net/games/412/G041230/20181214038/
(https://www.4gamer.net/games/412/G041230/20181214038/TN/046.jpg)

I initially thought it was ripped from Paper Jam too but apparently they touched it up to fit with this game's art style vs the more crayon-like Paper Jam art style. Still not heavily changed but I think the 3DS M&L games in general upped the standard for expressiveness in artwork.

I'd like artwork that resembles the stuff in this art, with more dynamic shading and angle. Perhaps an artwork version of one of the very energetic poses he strikes during the Fawful Theater segment. This reused one of him staring into space is just unfitting for the character by the 3DS M&L standards. I also kind of suspect that this remake isn't gonna give us a hi-res version of the Dark Fawful artwork currently only seen as a barely discernible icon in a physical guide for the original DS game.
Huh. Weird of them to touch it up in that case.
As for the other stuff, we might (being hopeful here) get the Dark Fawful render (either a new one or the old one) because Nintendo can be weird with spoiler renders. The key art is a longshot since BIS didn't really have any (or at least, anything like SSS) and the remake doesn't seem to be willing to have any either. At the end of the day, we'll at least have sprites which'll be (hopefully) top notch.
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on December 21, 2018, 07:27:12 PM
Hm, Bowser Jr. looks more like Baby Bowser in that artwork.
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Post by: Mcmadness on December 21, 2018, 09:57:23 PM
I'm starting to get redundant remake vibes again.

I mean I already did but I was HOPING they'd add more new stuff this time but so far it's just the same as before and in fact worse in some areas due to the slower pacing of some battles.
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Post by: HG-The-Hamster on December 21, 2018, 10:07:25 PM
I apologize if I'm sounding a bit pushy/picky but where are like more screenshots of the story in Bowser Jr's Jounrey? all I've seen so far is just the alliance fights.
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Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on December 21, 2018, 11:31:16 PM
Hm, Bowser Jr. looks more like Baby Bowser in that artwork.
It's the stylized nose at this angle, resembles Baby Bowser's stylized SMW2 sprite and depictions based directly off it. Given Jr. was design-wise (directly or indirectly through Koopa Kid) based off Baby Bowser himself, though, that's a given.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 22, 2018, 11:18:42 AM
I'm starting to get redundant remake vibes again.

I mean I already did but I was HOPING they'd add more new stuff this time but so far it's just the same as before and in fact worse in some areas due to the slower pacing of some battles.
I didn't have high hopes to begin with, considering they didn't even add a Battle Ring to the SSS remake.
The only real thing I can see them adding is a Bowser Battle Ring or maybe a further superboss after Bowser X, and neither of those are likely. Like with SSSDX, it seems like most of the new stuff will be in the secondary mode.

I apologize if I'm sounding a bit pushy/picky but where are like more screenshots of the story in Bowser Jr's Jounrey? all I've seen so far is just the alliance fights.
They've been weirdly coy about the story in Bowser Jr.'s Journey. Notice that the US site doesn't have any of the cutscene images from the Japanese site nor does it really explain the story of the mode like the Japanese site did.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 25, 2018, 11:51:37 PM
The Cat Mario Show touched upon the remake a bit (6:55):

You can see some previously unseen areas for the Bros like Bowser's memory banks, as well as a quick look at the new title screen. None of the footage of Bowser nor Bowser Jr. is new though (unless you missed Madame Broque in BJR in the overview trailer).
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on December 26, 2018, 08:00:30 AM
the game will be out in Japan in a day or two.
Should be out today in fact. Midnight in Japan is 10 AM the previous day in EST.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 26, 2018, 11:39:33 AM
Japanese footage is starting to go up. Also somebody ripped the entire soundtrack already.

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Post by: Mcmadness on December 26, 2018, 12:35:59 PM
Music feels very....not different. Like it's technically different yes but no better or worse.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 26, 2018, 01:22:25 PM
Yeah, it's mostly remasters it seems.
Which is actually pretty disappointing since the new tracks sound so much better.
They even gave Fawful and the Dark Star new tracks and it's kinda jarring just how much more effort went into those + the Bowser Jr.'s Journey ones
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on December 26, 2018, 04:02:52 PM
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I'm playing the JP version right now btw. A list of things I noticed:

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Post by: Yoshi the SSM on December 26, 2018, 05:10:41 PM
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Post by: Gamefreak75 on December 26, 2018, 05:27:16 PM
I think they did a better job capturing the atmosphere of the final boss music in this remake than the Superstar Saga one, personally. Not to say the new rearrangement of the Superstar Saga music is bad, but I think the BIS remake one is better overall.
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Post by: Mcmadness on December 27, 2018, 06:54:54 AM
At this point I just need to know if they bothered to include a gauntlet for Bowser.
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on December 27, 2018, 11:15:56 AM
I've heard there was one for Giant Battles, no word on normal boss battles. I haven't gotten far enough to see for myself yet.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 27, 2018, 11:39:31 AM
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Post by: Mcmadness on December 30, 2018, 08:04:07 AM
Well lots of video footage of bosses and stuff on youtube now.

They seemed to have gotten rid of Bowser's giant attack in the gauntlet and instead he now heals himself with a drumstick when he reaches his halfway angry phase.

Either that or it just didn't happen in the video I watched.


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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on December 30, 2018, 04:06:07 PM
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 30, 2018, 05:51:54 PM
I've been watching footage (I've seen pretty much 90% at this point), but I haven't heard that track. The icon give me pause as to whether or not it's actually in the game. I'll need to check the soundtrack rip to see if its there.

UPDATE: Okay I checked, and yeah it's in the soundtrack rip. If it isn't used for the part where Fawful gives Bowser the Mushroom, then it's probably unused.
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on December 30, 2018, 05:54:17 PM
It's definitely there, I'm the one who uploaded that video. It's sorted with the sound effects though, not the music. The filename is "se_gerako_shop_theme"
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Post by: Mcmadness on December 30, 2018, 06:02:05 PM
some of these sprites look less like they made new ones from scratch and more like they took an old sprite and just "painted over it" so to speak.

I also have to question some of the altered usage of sound and music in some areas, making the presentation suffer considerably.

Feeling pretty underwhelmed thus far.

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Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 30, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
The ending for Bowser Jr. mode is up and it's... pretty weird.
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Post by: Mcmadness on December 30, 2018, 06:06:52 PM
Care to show me?
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 30, 2018, 06:09:40 PM

It has the Final Boss too. Definitely a step up from Minion Quest inexplicably having Fawful.
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Post by: Mcmadness on December 30, 2018, 06:18:02 PM
Now I'm curious as to what the context for all that is.

Guess I'll find out in 2 weeks or so.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 30, 2018, 06:21:17 PM
Now I'm curious as to what the context for all that is.

Guess I'll find out in 2 weeks or so.
Not all related to the ending, but I will simply say this:
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Post by: Mcmadness on December 30, 2018, 06:24:09 PM
Why, what happens this time?
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on December 30, 2018, 06:35:20 PM
Why, what happens this time?
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Post by: Mcmadness on December 31, 2018, 12:37:53 PM
Correction: Bowser X does have his giant attack. It just didn't happen in the first video I saw.
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Post by: Yoshi the SSM on December 31, 2018, 01:03:38 PM
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Post by: CamTro on December 31, 2018, 09:14:09 PM

It has the Final Boss too. Definitely a step up from Minion Quest inexplicably having Fawful.
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Post by: Mcmadness on January 01, 2019, 09:29:40 AM
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on January 01, 2019, 02:28:16 PM


It has the Final Boss too. Definitely a step up from Minion Quest inexplicably having Fawful.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on January 01, 2019, 05:24:26 PM
Somebody who recently finished Bowser Jr.'s Journey started adding english subtitles so that we could get an idea of what the characters are saying. It's not perfect (namely, the in-battle dialogue isn't taken into consideration).

Seems like the "SS Company" are beauty product suppliers.
The ending also has subtitles, but is in much better shape than this video.
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Post by: Mcmadness on January 03, 2019, 08:05:16 PM
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Here's a list of every ally and enemy in Bowser jr's journey if you are interested.
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on January 03, 2019, 08:46:09 PM
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Post by: Mcmadness on January 03, 2019, 08:50:00 PM
Only as a boss fight. None in the playable position.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on January 03, 2019, 09:16:02 PM
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Post by: Qayin on January 04, 2019, 11:49:00 AM
Somebody who recently finished Bowser Jr.'s Journey started adding english subtitles so that we could get an idea of what the characters are saying. It's not perfect (namely, the in-battle dialogue isn't taken into consideration).

Seems like the "SS Company" are beauty product suppliers.
The ending also has subtitles, but is in much better shape than this video.

I know that Kamek is the name for magikoopas as an enemy species in Japan, yet seeing how the magikoopa in BJJ is obviously meant to be the magikoopa who's Bowser's right-hand and former babysitter makes me wonder if he might have gotten something of a Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik treatment (that is,they might be trying to merge the Western and Japanese naming for the character).
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Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 04, 2019, 02:59:22 PM
Already'd been making a point to definitively separate the character from the species in Japan for ''Super Mario Party''.
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Post by: Glowsquid on January 09, 2019, 09:56:58 AM
Its launch sales for Japan have been posted today and

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15./00. [3DS] Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey <RPG> (Nintendo) {2018.12.27} (•4.980) - 9.178 / NEW <0-20%>

ouch
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Post by: Mcmadness on January 09, 2019, 10:18:47 AM
Not surprised. This series never was very popular in Japan. It's fandom is primarily NA based.

That being said the series sales have been in steady decline ever since BiS so....
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Post by: Baby Luigi on January 09, 2019, 02:34:35 PM
I wonder if this is significantly worse than normal for Mario & Luigi games in Japan.
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Post by: LeftyGreenMario on January 09, 2019, 03:29:20 PM
I think it's a combination of what Mcmadness said, the burnout from the previous forgettable remake, and also just the steadily declining install base of the 3DS as all games recently just aren't doing so well.
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Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 09, 2019, 05:30:49 PM
As the only person ever to dislike the GBA and its graphics, I'll say it wasn't the remake's doing, the series has been in steady decline since Dream Team.

With no Fawful, the grand majority of English-speaking people don't care anymore. And want more partners with personality, like Goombella and Bobbery and probably not Flurrie (she was weird).

Starlow gets annoying. Even Bomb from Partners in Time was better a good portion of the time.
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Post by: LeftyGreenMario on January 09, 2019, 05:33:54 PM
I really don't think Fawful alone can hold the series, lol. Neither will the partners. Those two alone won't determine the sales of a few games.
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Post by: Mcmadness on January 09, 2019, 05:40:30 PM
Indeed. Fawful was never the selling point of this series for most people. Even this game he was barely featured in it's marketing. Both the remake and the original focused on Bowser and the bros, they are the selling point.
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on January 09, 2019, 05:50:57 PM
In fairness, since Dream Team, we've had Paper Jam and both remakes. The remakes are generally seen as unnecessary (at least, from what I've seen) and Paper Jam had a lot going against it (Padding, no OCs, people being burned by the Sticker Star elements, etc).
We need a new game, is what I'm saying.
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Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 09, 2019, 05:54:23 PM
Exactly, something from the ground up, that isn't a cut-and-dry sequel.

Also, with current technology, fully-2D sprites will be better received than stock-looking prerenders. They're more artistic in most cases.

Granted, the SS remake, despite what many people say, has far more soulful animation than the original (which was mostly limited to "bob up and down stupidly" for enemy idles, for example)

Heck, in many cases, actual models garner better reception as well.
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on January 09, 2019, 06:01:19 PM
Actually the 3DS M&L sprites aren't pre-rendered.

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/9/91/Luigi_Sprite_pieces_MLDT.jpg)
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Post by: LeftyGreenMario on January 09, 2019, 06:05:15 PM
They don't even LOOK pre-rendered. If they were, the shading is going to be extra complicated and have these little artifacts associated with rendering it and shrinking them down. And there's the problem of the definition of "pre-rendered".

Also, with current technology, fully-2D sprites will be better received than stock-looking prerenders. They're more artistic in most cases.
With current technology.... eeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhh I would strongly disagree on 2D sprites looking more "artistic" than prerendered sprites. What does "artistic" even begin to mean!?
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Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 09, 2019, 06:10:08 PM
SOME of them are pre-rendered. The Boos appear to be, for example. And besides, there can easily be use of the "change contrast" tool.

As for "artistic," that's obvious. I mean that they conform to reality less, and can do all sorts of strange cartoonish things, since they aren't based off a 3D form, but are just drawn, and as such can take advantage of illusory things better. Obviously.
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Post by: LeftyGreenMario on January 09, 2019, 06:15:20 PM
Oh, you probably mean more abstract, but with today's technology, you can certainly achieve abstraction too via 3D graphics... But I kinda see what you mean, as sometimes, distorting faces in 2D usually doesn't translate that well to 3D, but, well, 3D still allows for it, just look at Luigi's Mansion, Mario Party 2, Dream Team, and so on. And nobody said you can't do a little editing on pre-rendered sprites after the rendering is done.

The Boo does look pre-rendered, but Boo also seems doable, making it look really on-model, without pre-rendering it.
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Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 09, 2019, 06:20:50 PM
Yeah, I know, I'm a spriter.

Anyways, while abstraction is certainly possible in 3D, then don't like to do it, especially on handheld systems. It's more difficult to rig a model to do that, obviously, and if the time care I put into sprites and the fact that they have whole teams to do a fraction of the posing and animating, it's not reflecting on the official sprite artists' work ethic.

(https://www.vg-resource.com/attachment.php?aid=9079)
This took me 3 days, and it looks better than a lot of official sprites even from recent games that certainly have the software capability.
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Post by: LeftyGreenMario on January 09, 2019, 06:24:36 PM
The hands don't appear to remain a consistent size. Yes, a model has a ton of work put into it, far less straightforward as making a sprite, but once you're done, you don't have to worry about maintaining proportions through foreshortening (as I think the sprite doesn't appear to follow) or even about following light logic. And you can do a lot of cool camera effects that simply aren't possible, such as in the Giant Luigi fight where the camera zooms out and pans under Luigi and you see Luigi's awesome size and a tiny Mario on top, and that's not counting the lighting effects you can very easily do with 3D.
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Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 09, 2019, 06:37:06 PM
Yeah that's part of that "artistic" thing (and that I such at hands, even ones as simple as this). This follows foreshortening just as much as Whomps do in the NSMB games, which was my basis.

Anyways, I still see people look at BiS better than DT in terms of graphics, and BiS had artsy, drawn-looking sprites that were fairly on-model, while DT had sprites that resemble models to the casual observer with little graphical history.
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Post by: LeftyGreenMario on January 09, 2019, 06:42:15 PM
People look at BiS and like it more because black lines, and black lines, IMO, are overrated.
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Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 09, 2019, 06:55:48 PM
Black lines with little dark gray areas to account for illusion of curve.

One of the reason I like SMAS SMB3 style is that while it has lines, they're gray, not black.
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Post by: Mister Wu on January 10, 2019, 11:13:45 PM
Well, if anything, there's a reason I will remember fondly this game: they finally updated the credits telling us who voiced Iggy and Lemmy!
Yuppeee! I was waiting to know that since a loooooooooooong time!
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on January 11, 2019, 12:41:19 AM

We finally have names for the SS Company members: Dieter, Beef and Kaley.
Also "SS Company" is localized as "Best Fitness Friends".
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on January 11, 2019, 07:33:44 AM
Fawful has a minion named Beef.

Game Theory: Is Fawful not so beefless after all?!
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Post by: ThatGuy62 on January 12, 2019, 03:46:42 PM
I got the game today and let me just say that I'm digging the Best Fitness Friends.
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on January 12, 2019, 03:59:43 PM
Sprites incoming! (https://www.spriters-resource.com/3ds/marioluigibowsersinsidestorybowserjrsjourney/)
(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/d/d4/Bowser_MLBISBJJ.gif)(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/8/84/Mario_MLBISBJJ.gif)(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/3/30/Luigi_MLBISBJJ.gif)(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/8/80/Dark_Fawful_MLBISBJJ.gif)(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/0/05/Midbus_MLBISBJJ.gif)(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/a/ac/Shroob_MLBISBJJ.gif)
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Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 12, 2019, 04:46:35 PM
While others may have collected them first, I'm still the first person to edit the wiki on a daily basis to leave a comment on that TSR page
(Darn this hectic period of "have to go back to college for the new semester tomorrow...")

Overly-narrow superlative, I know, but I'm petty when I want to be.

When the BJJ sprites are collected, I'll add them to the wiki, as I did with MQTSFB.
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Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 13, 2019, 04:26:45 AM
I find it interesting they felt the need to redraw Fawful's teeth.

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/4/4f/MLSSBMFawful2.png) (https://www.mariowiki.com/images/8/8e/MLBISBJJDarkFawful.png)

Actually, a lot of the new shading looks vastly different from that of the reused sprites.
I imagine that in the case of the inside Bowser enemies, this is done due to lighting and/or to make them look more unicellular, but that doesn't cover everything.

And what's with the weird angle Sniffle Thwomp's in?
(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/c/c5/Sniffle_Thwomp.gif) (https://www.mariowiki.com/images/0/0d/MLBISBJJSniffleThwomp.png)
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Post by: Hailing Taquitos on January 13, 2019, 11:27:54 AM
Well, Fawful's teeth were more prominent in BIS than in SSS, and it did seem like the SSS remake was paying homage to the earlier Fawful design (not just the obvious like his outfit) so it makes sense he'd be styled differently here.

Not sure about the Sniffle Thwomp, that is a bit odd. Though IIRC it's the first time a Thwomp appeared as an an enemy in the 3DS M&L style so idk.
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Post by: Mcmadness on January 13, 2019, 01:32:05 PM
It's not like it's a huge difference, they just changed the colour and perspective.
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Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 13, 2019, 07:34:02 PM
The angle is just weird.
Technically a Thwomp appears in the Junker fight, but not a Fish Bone anymore.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on January 14, 2019, 01:22:46 AM
The sprites are the most worthwhile parts of the game. They will come in handy for sprite comics. I wish people made Waluigi and Wario in that style, though.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 14, 2019, 04:05:50 AM
I wish people made Waluigi and Wario in that style, though.

I am going to keep this quote for posterity, given who's saying it.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Glowsquid on January 15, 2019, 11:36:27 PM
https://www.gameinformer.com/interview/2019/01/14/alphadream-on-remaking-bowsers-inside-story-and-how-mario-luigi-could-possibly

interesting they specifically point out fawful is popular with "oversea fans"
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on January 15, 2019, 11:49:32 PM
While it's great they wanted to remake the game they got the most praise in, I felt like remaking games that were more flawed makes a better project than attempting to capture lightning in a bottle twice with a game that didn't need one.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 16, 2019, 04:10:57 AM
Yes, but even if it's improved, very few people will buy a remake of Bubsy 3D or Sonic '06. Even if it's so improved it's actually enjoyable.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on January 16, 2019, 07:44:51 AM
https://www.gameinformer.com/interview/2019/01/14/alphadream-on-remaking-bowsers-inside-story-and-how-mario-luigi-could-possibly

interesting they specifically point out fawful is popular with "oversea fans"

Not surprising, the majority of the fanbase for this series is overseas. In fact Fawful's entire shtick of engrish nonsense is entirely english region based.

Anyway I'm hope they are done with remakes after this one. I want a reason to actually give a *bleep* about this series again.

Yes, but even if it's improved, very few people will buy a remake of Bubsy 3D or Sonic '06. Even if it's so improved it's actually enjoyable.

Yes but partners in time isn't terrible. At worst it had lukewarm reception.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on January 16, 2019, 01:41:51 PM
these people should just do some freaking small spriting projects at this point
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on January 16, 2019, 01:45:49 PM
With how the series sales keep declining I see a possible future in mobile games.

And not the good kind.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on January 16, 2019, 02:01:38 PM
With how the series sales keep declining I see a possible future in mobile games.

And not the good kind.
Well, to be fair, Paper Jam was the worst-received game in the series, and the remakes were released well after the Switch's release, so I wouldn't call that a reliable sample.  The other four games in the series all sold pretty well, anyway.  Stick one on Switch and it'll sell like hotcakes.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on January 16, 2019, 02:05:06 PM
Even then, DT only sold half as well as BiS did. I feel like it's just diminishing returns at this point.

You can only keep making the same style of game for so long before people get sick of it.

Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 16, 2019, 03:49:44 PM
I just stopped playing Paper Jam after that friggin' Paper Petey boss fight.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on January 16, 2019, 04:56:07 PM
I just stopped playing Paper Jam after that friggin' Paper Petey boss fight.
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Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on January 16, 2019, 05:08:52 PM
I don't remember all that much of Paper Jam because it was forgettable so I may well be wrong, but doesn't Paper Petey come after that part?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on January 16, 2019, 05:16:46 PM
I don't remember all that much of Paper Jam because it was forgettable so I may well be wrong, but doesn't Paper Petey come after that part?
Looking on the wiki, apparently so.  I thought it came earlier.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 16, 2019, 06:04:05 PM
Paper Petey is right before the forest.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Glowsquid on January 16, 2019, 06:16:27 PM
With how the series sales keep declining I see a possible future in mobile games.

And not the good kind.
Well, to be fair, Paper Jam was the worst-received game in the series, and the remakes were released well after the Switch's release, so I wouldn't call that a reliable sample.  The other four games in the series all sold pretty well, anyway.  Stick one on Switch and it'll sell like hotcakes.

The 3DS may be pretty dead at this point but even then Bowser Jr's Journey sales are abysmal compared to other 2018 Mario-universe games on the platform. For comparison sake,
-Mario Party The Top 100 sold around 240k from the last week of 2017 to the end of 2018
-WarioWare Gold sold 138k
-the Luigi's Mansion port sold 82k
-Captain Toad 3DS sold 60k

This game had already dropped outside the top 20 in its second week and is currently slated to have sold 16-17k copies. Of course it's not a fair comparison as there are multiple factors at play such as release timing, marketing and so on, but still. I don,t think Nintendo is going to neck the series because a low-budget 3DS remake flopped, but that Bowser Jr.'s Journey is on track to be the worst-selling Mario since the days of the Virtual Boy (by a decent margin) indicates to me what AlphaDream is doing with the series isn't working.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on January 16, 2019, 06:24:12 PM
the worst-selling Mario since the days of the Virtual Boy
Is.

Is. this for real?

That... makes me very sad :/
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Glowsquid on January 16, 2019, 06:28:45 PM
the worst-selling Mario since the days of the Virtual Boy
Is.

Is. this for real?

I should specify "in Japan", but yeah! The current record holder is Mario Vs. Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars at 38K at retail for both versions combined (and that's predominantly an eshop game...) But hey, these games do better in the west anyway
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on January 16, 2019, 06:46:40 PM
Let's not forget that the original Inside Story is still playable on the 3DS.
Odds are people will probably skip the remake simply because the original is still available.
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Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on January 16, 2019, 07:20:40 PM
Is.

Is. this for real?

That... makes me very sad :/

It's a redundant remake nobody asked for. You should not be surprised by this.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 16, 2019, 08:22:28 PM
Keep in mind a remake for Virtual Boy Wario Land (a good game on a crappy system) was pitched, but Nintendo decided that anything Virtual Boy related should never be dredged up (except when it is, apparently...) and instead Metroid 2 was remade.

Squeamish person that I am, that annoys me.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on January 16, 2019, 09:21:40 PM
Yes, but even if it's improved, very few people will buy a remake of Bubsy 3D or Sonic '06. Even if it's so improved it's actually enjoyable.

This is a terrible analogy. PiT is nowhere near the levels of bad of the games you described.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Gamefreak75 on January 16, 2019, 09:57:34 PM
Keep in mind a remake for Virtual Boy Wario Land (a good game on a crappy system) was pitched, but Nintendo decided that anything Virtual Boy related should never be dredged up (except when it is, apparently...) and instead Metroid 2 was remade.

Squeamish person that I am, that annoys me.

I mean, Metroid 2 was a game that was in desperate need of a remake, unlike Bowser's Inside Story which still holds up today.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: winstein on January 16, 2019, 10:23:43 PM
It would be interesting to hear if this remake did well in Western territories, because I wondered if this game being more receptive in the West as opposed to Japan would influence the sales in its favour. Since the US territories don't provide sales numbers to get a more objective approach unless it's selling really well, I can only assume that it's not a wild success if it doesn't chart on video game sales charts.

I know that the Mario RPGs tend to have very vocal and passionate fans, but I am not sure if the numbers are big enough. I guess it does since the Mario Wiki polls have a strong bias towards the Mario RPGs (such as how Paper Mario's Gamecube game is voted as the best retro Mario game).

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 16, 2019, 11:52:43 PM
@Baby Luigi It wasn't intended as an analogy, it was intended as the logical conclusion of what you said. Star Gate notwithstanding, I liked PiT just fine.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on January 17, 2019, 12:24:28 AM
Hey, one question.

So I researched this game long before the remake was announced, and I heard about this item called the Challenge Medal.  It was supposedly a Hard Mode for this game that made all the enemies stronger, in a similar fashion to Dream Team's Hard Mode.  Seeing as Retry Clocks are gone this time around, I want to know: is the Challenge Medal back?  If not, then it seems that Nintendo has no interest in Hard Modes anymore...

I'm planning on getting this game as soon as I get myself another 3DS.  My old one broke just weeks before release and I was pretty upset about it, partly because I had already been waiting a year for this game, and now I have to wait longer.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on January 17, 2019, 12:27:42 AM
Far as I know, no. It isn't.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Baby Luigi on January 17, 2019, 02:22:39 PM
@Baby Luigi It wasn't intended as an analogy, it was intended as the logical conclusion of what you said. Star Gate notwithstanding, I liked PiT just fine.

That's still a distortion of my original point, by using extreme examples of bad games when you all know how so fundamentally broken they are is that they take far more than a remake to fix their issues.

It would be interesting to hear if this remake did well in Western territories, because I wondered if this game being more receptive in the West as opposed to Japan would influence the sales in its favour. Since the US territories don't provide sales numbers to get a more objective approach unless it's selling really well, I can only assume that it's not a wild success if it doesn't chart on video game sales charts.

I know that the Mario RPGs tend to have very vocal and passionate fans, but I am not sure if the numbers are big enough. I guess it does since the Mario Wiki polls have a strong bias towards the Mario RPGs (such as how Paper Mario's Gamecube game is voted as the best retro Mario game).

Thank you for reading.

I don't know if this game doing better in Western territories would have much of a significant impact. It's not like BIS did badly in Japan either.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 17, 2019, 04:17:02 PM
OK so more like Crash Twinsanity? It was rushed and missing loads of content that was planned, but is still unironically a blast to play.

And like the M&L games, it has an epic final boss theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYO23SC-WzY), so...
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 18, 2019, 04:48:42 PM
Speaking of, got what I came for, all I need.

Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on January 19, 2019, 05:04:29 PM
Finally got around to giving this a try and good god everything feels so slow. It feels like it's going at 20 FPS. The hell happened?

AND WHAT LAME BRAINED, HALF WITTED IDIOT DECIDED TO GET RID OF SHOWTIME!?!?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on January 19, 2019, 05:20:55 PM
AND WHAT LAME BRAINED, HALF WITTED IDIOT DECIDED TO GET RID OF SHOWTIME!?!?
The removal of the Challenge Medal was reason enough for me to want the original as well, but this?  Now no one's gonna get the reference in Dream Team...
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on January 19, 2019, 05:23:40 PM
I overreacted a bit, it's still there, however it's only when you just touch an enemy, (you know that thing you'll probably be avoiding most of the game) if you punch an enemy Bowser just gives a generic laugh.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on January 19, 2019, 06:31:24 PM
Why can't it be the other way around? The showtime would give people even more of a reward to beat up enemies on the loose.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on January 19, 2019, 10:22:16 PM
This also makes the callback in Dream Team meaningless.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on January 20, 2019, 07:08:07 PM
I'm actually seriously questioning whether this remake can really be called an improvement.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on January 20, 2019, 07:12:48 PM
Tell me more...
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on January 20, 2019, 07:37:14 PM
The whole game feels slower, certain puzzles are now more annoying to implement, the audio has been altered many times, often for the worse, and just a whole bunch of other small changes that just make the experience less enjoyable.

So much so that I question if even the original game is as good as I remember it, and the last time I played that was about a year ago.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on January 20, 2019, 08:16:43 PM
The whole game feels slower, certain puzzles are now more annoying to implement, the audio has been altered many times, often for the worse, and just a whole bunch of other small changes that just make the experience less enjoyable.

So much so that I question if even the original game is as good as I remember it, and the last time I played that was about a year ago.
Don't forget the Challenge Medal...
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on January 20, 2019, 08:29:30 PM
I think there's more improvements than there are bad changes. The removal of mic controls was a godsend, now the Fawful Express battle can actually be enjoyable like I'm sure it was always meant to be. The bad changes I feel are mostly aesthetic (Toads were again made basic for example, and yes some audio choices were inferior but aren't huge deal-breakers imo)

I feel like the minigames were also improved, they are far less annoying now and some of the gameplay speed changes were also a thing in the SSS remake. Once I got used to em, they didn't bother me.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on January 20, 2019, 08:52:15 PM
By the way, does the sound test in this game contain the original DS tunes alongside the new remixes, much like the Superstar Saga remake did?  Just making sure in case I like one of the original tunes better than the remixed ones.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on January 20, 2019, 08:53:14 PM
Yeah, the new versions have "DX" and the original ones don't.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Moldo on January 20, 2019, 08:57:40 PM
The whole game feels slower Ugh, really? That was one of my major beefs with Dream Team., certain puzzles are now more annoying to implement How do you mean? Like the Bowser-power-up sequences?, the audio has been altered many times, often for the worse Besides "Showtime!"? Voice clips or actual music tracks?, and just a whole bunch of other small changes that just make the experience less enjoyable.

My opinions and further questions are in bold above.

Anyway, anybody know what's different between Bowser Jr.'s Journey and Minion Quest?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on January 20, 2019, 09:08:39 PM
Anyway, anybody know what's different between Bowser Jr.'s Journey and Minion Quest?
You now have a team of 9 instead and Bowser Jr. is always the captain.  Only differences I know of, really.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Moldo on January 21, 2019, 08:18:34 AM
Anyway, anybody know what's different between Bowser Jr.'s Journey and Minion Quest?
You now have a team of 9 instead and Bowser Jr. is always the captain.  Only differences I know of, really.

So basically, this game is a slower version of a game with a campaign that is basically no different than the extra campaign from the SS port?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on January 21, 2019, 08:24:48 AM
Anyway, anybody know what's different between Bowser Jr.'s Journey and Minion Quest?
I haven't played Minion Quest, but from what I know from that and my playthrough of this:

- Can deploy 9 troops now

- Bowser Jr. is always the Captain. You can change his type as the game progresses.

- You can use one of the Koopalings/Kamek as a sub-captain. They each have two commands (though they need to be unlocked)

- If there are multiple types of the same minion, they'll do a team/stronger version of their special attack. They can be denied, but it's hard-if-not-impossible to deny all of them.

- You now have to plan out exactly where you place your troops in a formation. You get bonuses if you can find certain formation set ups.

To put into perspective how important some of these gameplay changes are: I've had times where I lost a stage, moved around some units, and then won.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on January 21, 2019, 10:12:43 AM
it's definitely got a bit more strategy to it, which I appreciate.


Well, having played through it I can definitely say that the Bowser jr's portion of the game hasn't disappointed me at all. Gameplay wise it's still a lot of watching things fight, but the amount of improved tactical stuff and the flashier special moves with the first officers have made it more fun to play.

And the story like Minion Quest is simple but fun.

Btw the BFFs are *bleep*s.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on January 26, 2019, 12:10:49 PM
So... good news and bad news.

The good news is, Bowser has new artwork that's actually good and not derpy!

The bad news is, it only appears in the home menu icon, is cropped and partially obscured by Mario and Luigi :(

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/4/4c/MLBIS%2BBJJ_-_Home_Menu_Icon.png)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: LeftyGreenMario on January 26, 2019, 03:04:35 PM
Until we see the entire body, can't say if it's better overall, but the face is better.
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Mcmadness on January 26, 2019, 06:37:44 PM
Is there any good news about the remake being anything else besides arbitrary?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Hailing Taquitos on March 03, 2019, 11:11:42 PM
This interview claims the BFF are the same race as Midbus, but they don't share any of his pig-like traits so I'm not really sure how that's supposed to work. (https://nintendoeverything.com/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story-dev-on-how-it-approached-the-remake-bowser-jr-s-journey-mode-updating-music-more/)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on March 04, 2019, 02:24:09 AM
Maybe like how Bowser falls under the vague umbrella of "Koopa/Kame-zoku?"
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 04, 2019, 11:20:23 PM
This interview claims the BFF are the same race as Midbus, but they don't share any of his pig-like traits so I'm not really sure how that's supposed to work. (https://nintendoeverything.com/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story-dev-on-how-it-approached-the-remake-bowser-jr-s-journey-mode-updating-music-more/)
More importantly, does this mean we'll be seeing more of whatever they are next game?
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on March 04, 2019, 11:24:23 PM
This interview claims the BFF are the same race as Midbus, but they don't share any of his pig-like traits so I'm not really sure how that's supposed to work. (https://nintendoeverything.com/mario-luigi-bowsers-inside-story-dev-on-how-it-approached-the-remake-bowser-jr-s-journey-mode-updating-music-more/)
More importantly, does this mean we'll be seeing more of whatever they are next game?
"Next game?"
(https://www.theyoungfolks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/J-Jonah-Jameson-laughing.jpg)
Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: ThatGuy62 on March 04, 2019, 11:27:28 PM
H-hey now! Sure the remake didn't sell well, but that's because it's a remake. Surely, they've got plans to do another game.
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Title: Re: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey
Post by: Team Kirby on March 19, 2019, 10:43:17 PM
https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/43357

Version 1.2 has been released!  This update fixed that music player issue when playing the original DS tracks, which the 1.1 update seemingly created.  The official patch notes are in the above link.