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Title: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: NSY on March 08, 2018, 05:35:46 PM
well this just got annouced out of nowhere

Ladies and Gents, Smash coming to the Swith and the Spaltoon Inklings will be newcomers. Prepare the hype train to get flowing again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Weasel on March 08, 2018, 05:36:16 PM
yeah splet
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Pinkgu on March 08, 2018, 05:37:37 PM
(https://gonintendo.com/system/file_uploads/uploads/000/041/902/original/smash.png)
I can see Bowser, DK and Samus in that fiery Smash sun.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snow J on March 08, 2018, 05:37:45 PM
I bet you either Spring Man or Ribbon Girl will also be playable.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: MediaVideoEditor856 on March 08, 2018, 05:41:25 PM
i'm hyped as *bleep*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Weasel on March 08, 2018, 05:45:07 PM


so good
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: infinite8 on March 08, 2018, 05:47:54 PM
I don't even know if this will be Sm4sh Switch or Smash 5. It may be the latter because of its logo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Anser on March 08, 2018, 05:49:40 PM
I'm currently dying. I'll be more analytic and share my thoughts when I manage to compose myself.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Czario on March 08, 2018, 05:49:51 PM
I'm pretty sure it's Smash 5 and holy halibut I'm hyped
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snow J on March 08, 2018, 05:53:29 PM
If it were for Smash 4, do you think they would have used the typical trailer opening that the used for all the other Smash 4 characters?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 08, 2018, 05:54:56 PM
Let the Internet bloodbath begin! Again!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Pinkgu on March 08, 2018, 05:56:41 PM
If it was just Smash 4, why bother not showing footage when we have an idea what it looks like already, just sightly prettier? Plus, BOTW Link and not Twilight Princess Link
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on March 08, 2018, 06:11:06 PM
I was watching the direct with five of my friends and we all *bleep*ing erupted with excitement. SMASH BROS IS BACK BABY.

Inkling was expected and BOTW Link is fun. Let the pre release hype begin again!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Alex95 on March 08, 2018, 06:21:38 PM
+Daisy
+Golden Sun's Isaac
+Ice Climbers
+Snake
+Give the BotW Link a different moveset, but still keep general Link
+Alm/Celica swap

-Bayonetta
-Corrin
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Lucinavidad on March 08, 2018, 06:23:52 PM
Let the Internet bloodbath begin! Again!
hell yeah
+Daisy

-Bayonetta
*bleep* no
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Pinkgu on March 08, 2018, 06:28:41 PM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/ef3b829a1f76ec4131c0b4c2698f6716/tumblr_p5ap3rYMLP1x62z9mo1_540.png)
Our man Sakurai is back in action!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Weasel on March 08, 2018, 06:35:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/q3nfTu5.png)

okay so bowser, dk, and samus are obvious

i think i spy marth and kirby too but i can't make out anything else
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Fawful Claus on March 08, 2018, 06:48:32 PM
2018 is a genuine pleasant shock. If this is Smash 5, they must have been working on it for a while to get a release this year. And the title not having "deluxe" or "for Nintendo Switch" implies it is Smash 5.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Gamefreak75 on March 08, 2018, 06:49:33 PM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/ef3b829a1f76ec4131c0b4c2698f6716/tumblr_p5ap3rYMLP1x62z9mo1_540.png)
Our man Sakurai is back in action!

Please give me Picture of the day or dojo again. Please!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Grima on March 08, 2018, 06:49:55 PM
the real shock is NSY posting the thread for this game
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Czario on March 08, 2018, 07:18:03 PM
2018 is a genuine pleasant shock. If this is Smash 5, they must have been working on it for a while to get a release this year. And the title not having "deluxe" or "for Nintendo Switch" implies it is Smash 5.
I'm afraid it will get delayed, though. While it did seem like they were reversing the trend of delays with their release date predictions for SMO, Arms, and Splat 2, those all said what season it was coming as well as the year while this is just 2018.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: NSY on March 08, 2018, 07:31:46 PM
the real shock is NSY posting the thread for this game
well someone was gonna have to post this thread  so if had to be someone who has been inactive for six months then so be it
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Smasher Claus on March 08, 2018, 07:43:29 PM
i personally think its a port but im happy either way

inklings were obvious but great

my body is ready
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on March 08, 2018, 07:55:34 PM
Cool that this game exists.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: winstein on March 08, 2018, 08:22:02 PM
I am hoping this is a new Smash game, but I have a feeling it's a port since it's released this year. I never gotten any of the DLC in case there is a Smash for the Switch (at that time called NX).

(https://i.imgur.com/q3nfTu5.png)

okay so bowser, dk, and samus are obvious

i think i spy marth and kirby too but i can't make out anything else

I can make out Peach (between DK and Marth). I think Luigi is beside Bowser.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Czario on March 08, 2018, 08:46:08 PM
I really don't think it's a port because 1. They didn't show gameplay, and they would have had no reason to not show it if it was a port, 2. Link has his BOTW design, and 3. The logo doesn't look like the Smash 4 logo. I feel like they would have said if it was a port and not leave us hoping it's Smash 5 just to be disappointed. I'm willing to bet I'll be proven right at E3, so we'll see.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Christmas Grooves on March 08, 2018, 08:47:26 PM
still waiting for waluigi
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Northern Verve on March 08, 2018, 08:49:57 PM
Obviously port vs. new game is going to be a big debate until we get more details on the game.

However, what I personally think it will be a hybrid between the two. What I mean by that is in terms of engine, and a good majority of, if not all of the Smash 4 characters will return. If it was a fully 100% new game, that'd mean this game was in development at the same time DLC for Smash 4 was being made which would be rather odd.

It will however be at least marketed and probably treated at least by Sakurai as a completely new game even if it may be obvious that it transfers alot over from Smash 4. And I'm sure a good amount of new features I'm sure. Sakurai thinks of the 3DS and Wii U versions as Smash 4 and 5 respectively so with Sakurai on board. Sakurai will treat this like it's Smash 6

Though one thing that could decide if it leans toward one or the other is believe it or not Amiibos. If for the most part they mainly resell the Amiibos and use the same artwork from Smash 4 then that leans more to a port situation. But if they make an entirely new Smash line making all new amiibos with characters in new poses. Then that might be something that definitely leans more to being a new game.

This is all speculation since really the only real information we have is a few obvious returnees and the Inklings as Newcomers. But it'll be interesting for sure. Either way, I'm excite.

As long as Sonic returns, I'm generally good. But I have little-to-no worries there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Ryu on March 08, 2018, 09:47:31 PM
I have a feeling it'll be a hybrid of a port and "new game experience update" for Smash 4. The engine and most of the characters will probably remain the same, but we'll be getting new modes, stages and characters for sure (fingers crossed for Sephiroth!butfirstmakesurethatcloudiscomingbackok), and some veterans like Link will be updated slightly. I highly doubt it'll be a completely changed game with a new engine, it's too soon for that.

Obviously port vs. new game is going to be a big debate until we get more details on the game.

However, what I personally think it will be a hybrid between the two. What I mean by that is in terms of engine, and a good majority of, if not all of the Smash 4 characters will return. If it was a fully 100% new game, that'd mean this game was in development at the same time DLC for Smash 4 was being made which would be rather odd.

It will however be at least marketed and probably treated at least by Sakurai as a completely new game even if it may be obvious that it transfers alot over from Smash 4. And I'm sure a good amount of new features I'm sure. Sakurai thinks of the 3DS and Wii U versions as Smash 4 and 5 respectively so with Sakurai on board. Sakurai will treat this like it's Smash 6

Though one thing that could decide if it leans toward one or the other is believe it or not Amiibos. If for the most part they mainly resell the Amiibos and use the same artwork from Smash 4 then that leans more to a port situation. But if they make an entirely new Smash line making all new amiibos with characters in new poses. Then that might be something that definitely leans more to being a new game.

This is all speculation since really the only real information we have is a few obvious returnees and the Inklings as Newcomers. But it'll be interesting for sure. Either way, I'm excite.

As long as Sonic returns, I'm generally good. But I have little-to-no worries there.

The amiibo situation would be really interesting to see. Would the BOTW Link with Master Sword be marketed as "Link Player 2" or be part of a new Smash line? Will they just restock old Smash 4 amiibos, put them in new packaging and create new variants, or just create new amiibo entirely? Either way I love my amiibo collection and really don't want to see it become outdated.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Richard Petty Motorsports on March 08, 2018, 09:53:17 PM
ridley is still too big for smash
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Isabelle on March 08, 2018, 09:55:21 PM
Oops, I thought this thread didn’t exist.

This looks cool, but we haven’t seen too much of the game yet. But I would still buy because come on. I got expectations for that one.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Ryu on March 08, 2018, 09:56:29 PM
ridley is still too big for smash

Oh dear LORD! People started up the Ridley memes again! Honestly as a Metroid fan I would love to see Ridley added and get more recognition (and a sweet amiibo), but am not a fan of how overzealous his and K. Rool's fanbases got during Smash 4 hype.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on March 08, 2018, 10:00:47 PM
Every time I see Ridley as a playable character in Smash fan games/mods, idk, he looks awkward and dumb to me.

I mean, I'm not opposed to it because more playable characters is always a good thing, but I perfectly understand why the devs wouldn't want to put him in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on March 08, 2018, 10:42:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/hNxaPJ7.png)

Some guesses on the silhouettes. I'm probably wrong on a lot of these.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Roserade on March 08, 2018, 11:07:18 PM
That was an absolutely incredible trailer, god bless the inclusion of Inking and Wild Link.

Is it too early for character speculation? Oh hell no.

-The return of Ice Climbers is one I'm highly anticipating.
-Expecting a new Odyssey rep. Not entirely sure who, Cappy would be the obvious choice but I can't see how a capture mechanic could be implimented, so we'll have to see.
-New Donkey Kong rep! With Tropical Freeze coming to Switch, it's high time. Leaning towards Dixie for this one.
-Most likely a new Fire Emblem character, but haven't followed the recent ones enough to have any clue who.
-New Kirby character in the form of Bandanna Dee. He's now a reoccurring character in the Kirby series, and Star Allies may push him forward.
-An old IP reboot is basically guaranteed, leaning towards Balloon Fighter or Urban Champion to fill it.
-New Pokemon... Maybe. I'd say Decidueye if any, but the ones from 4 feel comfortable. If they were to kick any, it'd most likely be Greninja.
-A primarily Switch based-character is unlikely. The only ones that come to mind are Snip and Clip from Snipperclips, and even then I'm unsure what they could do with them. But you never know.
-Spring Man/Ribbon Girl are certainly possibilities, but I'm not sure if ARMS is successful enough to merit their inclusion.
-Third-party! With the Mario & Rabbids release, anticipating Rayman. Crash is a possibility, though I'm not entirely expecting it. An indie character would be incredible to include, especially with the Switch's push for indie games. If any, hoping for Shovel Knight, but I'm not letting myself get too hyped again after Smash Ballot.

EDIT: I forgot Metroid! Definitely expecting a new rep, especially with Prime 4 on the horizon. Perhaps a hunter from the Prime series? Maybe Ridley, though not expecting him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snoadgamer on March 08, 2018, 11:27:57 PM
This game would let me have at least one game of the franchise.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Weasel on March 09, 2018, 12:24:13 AM
guys there's going to be a splat stage with awesome squid music
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on March 09, 2018, 12:31:54 AM
(https://i.redd.it/666x9sx1dnk01.jpg)
This image is a lot better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Czario on March 09, 2018, 12:33:27 AM
Another reason I think this game is Smash 5 rather than a port:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXztWehXcAA7uZa.jpg)

HAL didn't work on Smash 4 afaik, and Bandai Namco and Sora, who both worked on Smash 4, are not mentioned at all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Yukiho Hagiwara on March 09, 2018, 12:39:08 AM
if you look at trailers for smash 4, you'll see it says the same thing despite hal having no involvement in it
i'm pretty sure its there to refer to smash 64, like in a "oh these are the guys who made the original concept/gameplay of smash" kind of way, hence why it says 'original game' seeing as 64 was the original smash
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Jack Black on March 09, 2018, 02:35:48 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hNxaPJ7.png)

Some guesses on the silhouettes. I'm probably wrong on a lot of these.
I think it’s the Ice Climbers, not Peach.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Roserade on March 09, 2018, 02:38:02 AM
Perhaps I'm holding onto false hope, but I thought the same.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Pinkgu on March 09, 2018, 03:00:12 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX1LQclUMAAXnyS.jpg)
From Nintendo's press release, guess that settles things.
I just hope Sakurai doesn't stress himself too hard again, a man shouldn't be near death just for directly a video game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: memoryman3 on March 09, 2018, 03:28:01 AM
Can we have Daisy? Please? As a separate character?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: infinite8 on March 09, 2018, 04:25:46 AM
I wonder which character will not make it in this installment.

Hopefully not most of the 3rd Party characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Rintarou Okabe on March 09, 2018, 04:43:17 AM
>>>>not a Port

Sakurai you absolute maniac
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Super Radio on March 09, 2018, 07:45:40 AM
I'm excited but I don't want six anime swordfighters to join the roster yet again. Crash Bandicoot would be a nice addition. Wario Land has to receive more representation, although I doubt this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snow J on March 09, 2018, 10:42:07 AM
Every time I see Ridley as a playable character in Smash fan games/mods, idk, he looks awkward and dumb to me.
I feel the same about Geno, Fawful, and Dimentio in game mods and rosters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 09, 2018, 02:48:23 PM
I'm excited but I don't want six anime swordfighters to join the roster yet again. Crash Bandicoot would be a nice addition. Wario Land has to receive more representation, although I doubt this.
To be honest, I'd be sooooo in for Llyod Irving, who is very anime and very swordy.

I also like to see Squirtle and Ivysaur return, but not begging for it.

I wish developers can announce outright who's NOT in and let it blow over early. Ice Climbers were a special case, though.

Finally, I kinda wish Smash was more ridiculous and cartoony, not give us a trailer where everyone the Inklings face look like serial killers. Nevertheless, the way Mario is highlighted like this under a demonic-like sun, it cracks me up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Super Radio on March 09, 2018, 04:31:01 PM
Quite the generalisation I made. Lloyd Irving isn't just a reskin of FE characters so it's ok.

What bothered me the most about Smash 4 was how there was so much emphasis on advertising (at the time) new games like FE and Bayonetta and less emphasis on the history of gaming, which should be Smash's target to champion. The game isn't just a big crossover--I mean, yeah thanks, there are many Smash knock-offs out there-- it's a story and evolution told through characters. As I said before, so much Wario Land stuff was left out, and that's just one thing with underrepresentation. Why though?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 09, 2018, 04:38:53 PM
Out of six, though, two would be Fire Emblem reskins (Lucina almost being a literal reskin; Roy is clone who diversified a little). The rest have drastically different play styles from each other, so I think it's unfair to lump Robin with Ike. After all, we could've gotten Chrom.

Bayonetta wasn't really about advertisement though? She was more of a Smash ballot winner, though to be fair, I still doubt the results of the ballot. I don't think it's a good PR decision to release some data on the ballot, but on the other hand, the results are weird; Bayonetta isn't exactly a national gaming icon so perhaps advertisement did play some role for her too, given the big deal around Nintendo's support of Bayonetta 2. I think Smash serves as both to advertise more obscure franchises and also be an all-stars game. And Smash 4 isn't the first time it advertised Fire Emblem, it did this back with Marth and Roy (Melee's Corrin), and both were intended to be Japan-exclusive characters. So I disagree that Smash 4 was more about advertising than any previous Smash Bros. game. Not saying I like Corrin's addition in the game. Corrin seems like a vehicle to promote a game and introduce potential players to the games and an interesting play style but on his own, I can't shake the feeling he's there mainly as an advertisement.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Super Radio on March 09, 2018, 05:24:52 PM
I have a feeling that the ballot was rigged though, as I saw many many more people asking for characters like Banjo & Kazooie and K. Rool--not counting irrational choices like Shrek and Goku, ofc. Don't remember seeing Bayonetta that much but I was only casually checking the news so I may be ignorant on this.

Yeah, like you said, Smash should promote obscure or new franchises, but at the same time knit them together with more recognizable ones for an homogenous family. I know Fire Emblem has been around for years, but I didn't appreciate how so many characters from that franchise made it into the game, given how similar their overall structure is that didn't make them stand out for me as individuals, honestly. Cloud and Bayonetta may fall in the same category. I suggest a balance between cartoony and realistic. Remove one FE character and put Cranky Kong in, for example. Old and experienced but athletic, just like Yoda from Star Wars.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Weasel on March 09, 2018, 05:53:30 PM
i'm a pretty big fe nut and i'd happily remove corrin for dixie
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Alex95 on March 09, 2018, 05:53:50 PM
Regarding Fire Emblem, I know Sakurai is a fan and has been since the beginning, so it's likely he'll continue to put in characters. Sword users are getting stale, I think Marth and Ike are most likely to remain, maybe Robin due to his Fire Emblem-based mechanics. If diversity is needed, throw in some other weapon users, like Sigurd or Hector. Heck, maybe even Chrom if they let him use lances and javelins for his specials and keep his sword to standard/Smash attacks. Or if they want to go recent, replace Robin with Celica since they both use swords and magic (though differently).

Bayonetta I am incredibly iffy on. I still don't think she's the type of character for Smash, overly seductive woman and all. If Morrigan Aensland from Darkstalkers won, it'd be the same feeling. I just don't like this type of character. She's to OP as well, every fight I have with her online, regardless of whether I win or not, just isn't fun, and Smash tournaments are seeing that now too. Strange how the fans voted for her and are now complaining about her.

Lloyd Irving

I don't know much about this guy, and the only relation I have with the Tales series is through Project X Zone 2, but from what I've seen of him, he'd be pretty cool to add. I doubt it, though, considering it's yet another third-party character to add. Same deal with Sora, who is held by two properties.

The newcomer I really want to see is Golden Sun's Isaac, or at least his son Matthew. Isaac was an Assist Trophy in Brawl, but nowhere to be found in Smash 4, so I want to see him get the "Little Mac treatment" this time around. Yes, he would be another sword user, but his use of Psynergy would make for some great moves. Just look at the Project M mod that almost had him in. (I'd also be fine with Lyn from said PM mod, but eh, look at my first paragraph).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 09, 2018, 07:18:11 PM
I have a feeling that the ballot was rigged though, as I saw many many more people asking for characters like Banjo & Kazooie and K. Rool--not counting irrational choices like Shrek and Goku, ofc. Don't remember seeing Bayonetta that much but I was only casually checking the news so I may be ignorant on this.

Yeah, like you said, Smash should promote obscure or new franchises, but at the same time knit them together with more recognizable ones for an homogenous family. I know Fire Emblem has been around for years, but I didn't appreciate how so many characters from that franchise made it into the game, given how similar their overall structure is that didn't make them stand out for me as individuals, honestly. Cloud and Bayonetta may fall in the same category. I suggest a balance between cartoony and realistic. Remove one FE character and put Cranky Kong in, for example. Old and experienced but athletic, just like Yoda from Star Wars.
I don't think it was rigged, it's that language that gets me though. "Realizable". It's vague and it can mean virtually anything.

About Fire Emblem characters, while their movesets are varied, I do agree they do look very homogenous next to each other. I played an 8-player match against green-colored Ike, Marth, Robin, Lucina, Corrin, and Lucina, and my goodness, they all look the same, more similar to each other than Mario is to Luigi, and those two are supposed to be twin brothers. There's more to Fire Emblem than young, caped swordspeople. IMO if we ever get a new Fire Emblem character, I like to see a mount, a pegasus-rider. Would be interesting. Or just the horse. :P But importantly, the characters won't blend in with the other caped people.

I like Bayonetta. I think she's a little off, but she's quirky enough, and if anything, her personality is a stand-out. Her playstyle being "OP" has no bearing on her merits as a character on the roster. IMO, she's more welcome to me than Corrin (considering my anti-Corrin bias). I don't think it was the same people who voted for her and then complained about her. The Smash community is huge. Chances are, they're two different hives of people and I'm willing to bet that the person who are complaining about her are those that didn't vote for her, and those that want her are content and won't need to voice their opinions or think she is overpowered.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on March 09, 2018, 10:38:40 PM
I have a feeling that the ballot was rigged though, as I saw many many more people asking for characters like Banjo & Kazooie and K. Rool--not counting irrational choices like Shrek and Goku, ofc. Don't remember seeing Bayonetta that much but I was only casually checking the news so I may be ignorant on this.
I see talk about this a lot, but I think people fail to realize that outside of hardcore gamers, no one really cares about banjo and Kazooie. Sure, if you spend a lot of time around video games forums you'll see them come up a lot, but there are millions of others who play Smash and don't visit these kind of sites. As LGM said, Bayonetta was number 1 among "realizable" characters. The language is vague and could mean anything.

And there's nothing wrong with Bayonetta being in. Snake made it in despite being from an M rated franchise. Bayonetta has history with Nintendo, more than other 3rd party picks like the aforementioned Snake, as well as Cloud. Also she is heavily toned down from her own games. There's nothing wrong with a character being sexy.  Especially a character as confident in herself as Bayonetta. She's not sex appeal for the sake of sex appeal. As for her being OP, that's on the balance team. Meta Knight was even more busted in Brawl and it's not like Sakurai cut him.

At the point Bayonetta was the ballot winner and that the franchise has a strong future on Nintendo, I don't see her going away.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 09, 2018, 11:07:36 PM
I do think Banjo Kazooie are iconic enough to get a sizeable portion of votes, but they're still a niche audience, I'm afraid. On the other hand, I don't think Bayonetta is the kind of character that's instantly recognizable. She's even more niche than Banjo, in my opinion. Most of us probably didn't even know about her games until the drama of Bayonetta 2 (anecdote: I for one didn't even know there was a witch-themed game that plays like Devil May Cry, which was a game I KNOW about but I doubt Devil May Cry is the game the average Nintendo fan is familiar with either...). Even then, I don't think a lot of us were aware of the complaints people made when they found out Bayonetta 2 will be a Wii U exclusive.

And Bayonetta indeed has a history with Nintendo, a very special one I'd argue. Given Nintendo's support of Bayonetta 2 all the way, though, I feel it's a really kind gesture of them to put Bayonetta in Smash. Bayonetta is fantastic game that would've died (thanks Sega) otherwise, had Nintendo not stepped in. And even after that kind of promotion, Nintendo further put Bayonetta in their women's day PR promotion, so it seems like they care about Bayonetta. That kind of enthusiasm and support makes me genuinely happy, so in the end, maybe it's why I like Bayonetta's inclusion overall despite not being the most popular of characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: JC on March 10, 2018, 12:13:09 AM
i can be your angle... or yuor devil

(https://i.imgur.com/w8CyNtJ.gif) (http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/349/107/64a.gif)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Saltman on March 10, 2018, 12:42:58 AM
If I don't see either Waluigi or K.Rool here, I will die.

If I had to choose only one of them, however, I just couldn't decide.


Can we have Daisy? Please? As a separate character?

I mean what kind of moveset could she even have?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snow J on March 10, 2018, 01:10:35 AM
Can we have Daisy? Please? As a separate character?

I mean what kind of moveset could she even have?
I talked about this. I won't beat a dead horse, though. So I'll talk about someone I really want in Smash yet I completely forgot to talk about ever.

Bandanna Waddle Dee. He could use Spear and Parasol, too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snoadgamer on March 10, 2018, 01:15:25 AM
That's what I was thinking!

Also maybe Toad. He's suffering in every Smash Bros under Peach's dress.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Northern Verve on March 10, 2018, 01:17:03 AM
If I don't see either Waluigi or K.Rool here, I will die.

If I had to choose only one of them, however, I just couldn't decide.


Can we have Daisy? Please? As a separate character?

I mean what kind of moveset could she even have?

I'm no fan of Daisy getting in Smash either, but "what kind of moveset would they have" is still kinda one of the dumbest arguments in Smash speculation given the past (If Sakurai thought this way, we would have never gotten characters like ROB or Wii Fit Trainer). Daisy fans have offered plenty through either the abilities she's shown in the sports series and/or thought of Super Mario Land related stuff for Daisy.

Again, I'm no Daisy supporter either. But there are better reasons why Daisy would be left out other then lack of moveset potential.

Also, while I like Waluigi too and wouldn't mind him getting in Smash. I have to admit that I think if Waluigi gets in, Daisy will too. And vice versa. They're in the same boat.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on March 10, 2018, 01:20:37 AM
I personally would rather see Toad, Waluigi, and Paper Mario all before Daisy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: infinite8 on March 10, 2018, 12:51:20 PM
If Mega Man returns, they should use his new appearance from Mega Man 11.

We've got Link in his BotW design.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on March 10, 2018, 02:09:48 PM
Oh my how could I forget Toad. I've been wanting him since the Brawl days.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Alex95 on March 10, 2018, 04:46:53 PM
Will my Inkling Girl amiibo finally get some use???
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Grima on March 10, 2018, 06:58:14 PM
Regarding FE characters, I especially hope they keep Robin because he represents the non-sword part of the franchise very well, as well as the player insert units, and because he's my main :yoshi:

Ike and Marth are a given, because the former has been proven to be the most popular FE character of all time, while the latter is the face of the series for Smash Bros.

Lucina and Roy are tough to gauge because theyre clones, but honestly if the game has room for both, plus more characters, then why should I complain if they return

Corrin is definitely the oddball because he was clearly put in as an advertisement for Fates, which kinda sucks since his moveset and skills are very unique

If the FE roster were to drop to Robin, Ike and Marth, plus the new FE lord from FE Switch if thats ever revealed, then I'd be satisfied assuming the new FE lord is unique enough like Corrin. Or Hector. I'd like Hector very much.

honestly, I suspect they'll be borrowing a lot of content from the Wii U and 3DS versions to make this game, but it obviously won't be a direct port. Sakurai has expressed disappointment in not being able to bring back everyone's characters in the past, so I don't expect any characters to be cut, but I'm preparing for the disappointment anyway
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Weasel on March 10, 2018, 06:59:39 PM
guys there's going to be a splat stage with awesome squid music
guys the new metroid stage will most likely be from a good game
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 10, 2018, 07:07:31 PM
The real question though, will it be fiery?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: supermariofan on March 10, 2018, 07:18:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/q3nfTu5.png)

okay so bowser, dk, and samus are obvious

i think i spy marth and kirby too but i can't make out anything else
Is that Snake on the right of Bowser?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snow J on March 10, 2018, 08:06:12 PM
Do you think the inevitable Mario Odyssey stage will be in Bonneton, Fossil Falls, Tostarena, or New Donk City? These are the four kingdoms that were used in advertising Odyssey, so I imagine it'd have to be one of them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: supermariofan on March 10, 2018, 11:37:53 PM
Do you think the inevitable Mario Odyssey stage will be in Bonneton, Fossil Falls, Tostarena, or New Donk City? These are the four kingdoms that were used in advertising Odyssey, so I imagine it'd have to be one of them.
Has to be New Donk. Hub worlds are usually the stage.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Gamefreak75 on March 11, 2018, 03:31:50 AM
guys there's going to be a splat stage with awesome squid music
guys the new metroid stage will most likely be from a good game
With 5 different remixes of "The Burning Lava Fish" hell yeah! They better throw in some good Prime music.

I really hope the music selection is better for some series, specifically dk, metroid and kirby.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Lord Bowser on March 11, 2018, 06:17:39 AM
Bayonetta I am incredibly iffy on. I still don't think she's the type of character for Smash, overly seductive woman and all.
same case could be made for zero suit samus
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: memoryman3 on March 11, 2018, 07:06:33 AM
Will my Inkling Girl amiibo finally get some use???

Well, since Nintendo have been pushing the Inklings HARD....yes. I can certainly see it.

I am more worried about the fact that Toad, Daisy and Waluigi have amiibo, but you can't train them in Smash yet.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Alex95 on March 11, 2018, 12:22:00 PM
Bayonetta I am incredibly iffy on. I still don't think she's the type of character for Smash, overly seductive woman and all.
same case could be made for zero suit samus

True, but ZSSamus doesn't flaunt around as much as Bayonetta does. Bayonetta teases and dances around with almost every move she makes, like she's showing off her sexiness. Samus seems to just prefer to get the job done, aside from a taunt or so.

Will my Inkling Girl amiibo finally get some use???

Well, since Nintendo have been pushing the Inklings HARD....yes. I can certainly see it.

I am more worried about the fact that Toad, Daisy and Waluigi have amiibo, but you can't train them in Smash yet.
There's also the Boo, Koopa, and Goomba amiibo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Roserade on March 11, 2018, 12:54:18 PM
Bayonetta I am incredibly iffy on. I still don't think she's the type of character for Smash, overly seductive woman and all.
same case could be made for zero suit samus

True, but ZSSamus doesn't flaunt around as much as Bayonetta does. Bayonetta teases and dances around with almost every move she makes, like she's showing off her sexiness. Samus seems to just prefer to get the job done, aside from a taunt or so.
I personally don't mind at all. Smash Bros. is a series that celebrates Nintendo and even gaming history, and at some points in time they have helped create more adult games. They felt like she was a good part of their history to incorporate, and I'd have the same reaction with any other character from an M-rated game. It's a very cool inclusion.

Plus, Bayonetta really doesn't flaunt all that much in game, and there's already a large cast of female characters that don't at all, so it's not like every character is sexualized. Say what you will about the children playing the game and whatnot, but I really don't think she makes enough of an impact on them for it to be an issue.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Lucinavidad on March 11, 2018, 02:20:08 PM
toned down sexual flaunting is way worse than violence
:yoshi:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 11, 2018, 04:40:10 PM
Besides, the more flaunting those characters do, the better those animation move swaps will turn out. :diddy:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Alex95 on March 11, 2018, 06:32:17 PM
Besides, the more flaunting those characters do, the better those animation move swaps will turn out. :diddy:

Ha, I'll agree to that
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Weasel on March 11, 2018, 06:45:32 PM
do not lewd the monkey
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: supermariofan on March 11, 2018, 08:46:09 PM
If it’s the 5th one and not a port, I hope the new theme song is better than 4’s theme, because it’s my least favorite theme song in the series.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 11, 2018, 08:52:16 PM
Same here. I spend a bit of time in the menu. The music gets irritating to listen to after a short while.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Anser on March 11, 2018, 09:19:52 PM
Please, for the love of God, do NOT add Daisy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Fawful Claus on March 11, 2018, 10:23:43 PM
I quite like SSB4's main theme.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snow J on March 11, 2018, 11:06:11 PM
Please, for the love of God, do NOT add Daisy.
Don't worry, I don't think Nintendo is going to do anything too big for Daisy this year. Next year maybe, since it'll be her 30th Anniversary, but definitely not this year.
Same for Waluigi, with his 20th Anniversary being in 2020.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: supermariofan on March 12, 2018, 12:12:45 AM
I would love them to add a story mode, I don’t care if it’s as big as Brawl or straightforward like Melee, give me a story mode for Christ’s sake!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Miki Hoshii on March 12, 2018, 12:30:10 AM
I hope the mole from mole mania gets in
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Czario on March 12, 2018, 12:54:41 AM
I hope they bring back Target Test, because I did not like when they replaced it with an Angry Birds rip-off.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 12, 2018, 12:57:35 AM
Hope they make the Star KOs work properly this time, not this "1/3 chance they'll be Star Ko and the 2/3 chance it's just a blast ko" crap.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on March 12, 2018, 01:01:20 AM
what about screen ko's, they're freaking hilarious
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: MnSG on March 12, 2018, 08:45:19 AM
I hope they bring back Target Test, because I did not like when they replaced it with an Angry Birds rip-off.

Target Blast does reduce the amount of development time needed.  With a roster that's way over 50 characters, it's not worth the hassle to be creating Target Smash stages for everyone; you'd also be adding to the amount of challenges that you must complete.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snow J on March 12, 2018, 11:29:41 AM
With a roster that's way over 50 characters, it's not worth the hassle to be creating Target Smash stages for everyone; you'd also be adding to the amount of challenges that you must complete.
They haven't made character-exclusive target tests since Melee. Brawl only had 5 tests that were the same for every character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: MnSG on March 12, 2018, 03:02:42 PM
They haven't made character-exclusive target tests since Melee. Brawl only had 5 tests that were the same for every character.

That's not exactly a good thing for some fighters though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Czario on March 12, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
I think they could solve the problem with Target Test by having one stage be made for every five or so characters. Characters with similar movesets could get the same stage (e.g. Link and Marth).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Ryu on March 12, 2018, 06:06:12 PM
The GameFAQs board for Smash Switch is a massive s***show, half the topics are either about removing FE characters or obsessing over K. Rool and Ridley, all with the utmost passion and fervor as if the fate of the world depended on it. I mean... I see where people are coming from, but SmashFAQs takes "serious business" to a whole new level.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Kazooie on March 12, 2018, 06:23:50 PM
If they put in Lloyd, I hope his percentage goes up whenever he grabs a Maxim Tomato.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Northern Verve on March 12, 2018, 06:27:28 PM
To be honest I kinda almost half expect that every character from Smash 4 may be back safe and sound. Even some of the clones like Lucina, Dark Pit, and Dr. Mario. Unless any of the 3rd Parties have a Konami style break-up with Nintendo, most of the 3rd parties are likely staying. Many of these characters made for Smash 4 hasven't quite got to be played by a good amount of people because not everybody had the Wii U game (There was 3DS which by unit number sold was more successful, but Smash is best on a console with control options and easier multiplayer options) and it might feel like a waste if they don't bring everybody back for this coming game. Regardless of their position.

I know I kinda fed on the possibility of not everybody coming back on the OP of my merit thread. But that was only based on the possibility that not everyone comes back. When I worried about how it's hard to see every one of the 58 characters making it. That might of been part of the fervor or overreaction over whether it not it was a new game or port debating going on.

One thing I'm certainly concerned though is characters depending on mechanics or other such things. Like the transformations. Without the 3DS holding back anything, will Zelda transform into Shiek again? Same with Samus to ZSS after using the Final Smash? How about custom moves? They stopped using custom moves for any of the DLC fighters. What if they drop Custom Moves from Smash Switch completely? Will that mean the Mii Fighters aren't back? Or maybe the Mii Fighters will be the only characters with custom moves? What would that mean for Palutena? Maybe the Mii Fighters will be restricted to their 1111 movesets like how some tournaments that allowed them to be legal did? Maybe they revamp the Miis into something else entirely? I think those are actually the bigger concerns rather then some random reasons why they'd leave someone out because people don't like them for one reason or another.

Thinking about it now, I think it's more likely everybody comes back. It can still technically be a new game, just that a good majority of the roster will remain the same besides a batch of newcomers. Though with so many characters and the game coming soon. The batch of newcomers might be at most be 5 characters. You also have character balances and tweaks to consider too. Though there surely will be another period of DLC content coming after the game's release.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snow J on March 12, 2018, 06:48:20 PM
What about Boss Battles? Do you think that might come back, too? The only bosses in Smash 4 were Master Hand, Crazy Hand, and Master Core.

The big mooks in Smash Run are more like minibosses, even if they're more annoying to deal with than bosses, so I'm not counting them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on March 12, 2018, 07:33:44 PM
The GameFAQs board for Smash Switch is a massive s***show, half the topics are either about removing FE characters or obsessing over K. Rool and Ridley, all with the utmost passion and fervor as if the fate of the world depended on it. I mean... I see where people are coming from, but SmashFAQs takes "serious business" to a whole new level.

the boards for pretty much any smash game in gamefaqs has pretty much always been a *bleep*show as far as i'm concerned.

i remember the dk vs fire emblem wars there and hoo boy am i glad i don't go there often
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: MnSG on March 12, 2018, 10:27:00 PM
What about Boss Battles? Do you think that might come back, too? The only bosses in Smash 4 were Master Hand, Crazy Hand, and Master Core.

The big mooks in Smash Run are more like minibosses, even if they're more annoying to deal with than bosses, so I'm not counting them.

Ironically, in the Kirby series titles, the mid-bosses do appear in The Arena, and The True Arena respectively.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 13, 2018, 02:15:44 AM
The GameFAQs board for Smash Switch is a massive s***show, half the topics are either about removing FE characters or obsessing over K. Rool and Ridley, all with the utmost passion and fervor as if the fate of the world depended on it. I mean... I see where people are coming from, but SmashFAQs takes "serious business" to a whole new level.
I guess it's a step up above "sexiest woman" and the tail stuff????

But this isn't surprising at all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: supermariofan on March 13, 2018, 02:44:06 AM
I wonder if Phil Spencer is still a man of his...tweet. Banjo for Smash!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Ryu on March 13, 2018, 02:21:16 PM
The GameFAQs board for Smash Switch is a massive s***show, half the topics are either about removing FE characters or obsessing over K. Rool and Ridley, all with the utmost passion and fervor as if the fate of the world depended on it. I mean... I see where people are coming from, but SmashFAQs takes "serious business" to a whole new level.

the boards for pretty much any smash game in gamefaqs has pretty much always been a *bleep*show as far as i'm concerned.

i remember the dk vs fire emblem wars there and hoo boy am i glad i don't go there often

Even compared to other boards, like any Smash discussion on the Nintendo Switch console board there is far more normal.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Northern Verve on March 14, 2018, 09:01:51 PM
I'm just going to give general thoughts about the character roster for this game. Like I said earlier I'm really leaning towards just about everybody from Smash 4 coming back. Even some of the potentially iffy ones like a few of the 3rd Parties, the clones, and the Mii Fighters (Because we don't know the fate of Custom moves yet).

Because I expect most of everybody coming back though, I don't think the newcomer pool will be all that huge. It will be the first time the newcomer pool is much smaller in a new game in the series. (Or at least it'd be absolutely maddening to expect Smash Switch to have more newcomers then Smash 4 did. There was a total of 19 (21 if you include the Mii Fighters as seperate) newcomers. That's crazy). I'd say my expectations would be at about 5 new 1st party characters including the Inklings in that number and maybe 1 or 2 more 3rd parties added in the main game. With obviously more characters later on as DLC.

I'm going to break down by each franchise what I generally expect and/or think would see if they get an addition.

   •   Mario: If Mario gets a new Character. It'll likely be Captain Toad. If not though they might keep it the same. I think no new Mario characters are actually more likely then Paper Mario, Waluigi, Daisy, etc. Captain Toad I feel is the only real possibility at the moment
   •   Yoshi: No new characters
   •   Wario: No new characters
   •   Donkey Kong: Gotta have King K. Rool at the very least. But I also think K. Rool might not be alone. I could potentially see Dixie join as well.
   •   Zelda: A little hard to say at the moment. I actually think there are more questions on whether with Link being BOTW style if he'll have some revamps to his moveset. And whether or not Zelda will be able to transform into Shiek again. New characters I'm just not so sure about right now.
   •   Metroid: Obviously Ridley will be back in the speculation spotlight. But a dark horse (No pun intended) candidate could be Dark Samus given Prime 4 is coming up. No doubt people would be kinda miffed if a 2nd dark version of a known character made it. But I think Dark Samus would be received much better then Dark Pit was.
   •   Kid Icarus: No new characters
   •   Fire Emblem: No new characters (Corrin basically was an early bird, otherwise I think he'd/she'd probably have gotten in here)
   •   Kirby: No new characters (Maybe a slight chance for Bandanna Dee, but otherwise I'm not confident in a new Kirby character)
   •   Punch-Out!!: No new characters
   •   Star Fox: Maybe a return of Wolf somewhere. But that's about it.
   •   Pokemon: I could see Decidueye being a strong possibility. While character patterns do kinda get overrated at times and I don't always agree they're necessary. It would be nice to have a grass starter to complete the Starter triangle that Charizard and Greninja could make 2/3rds of. That is unless Charizard returns to being with the Pokemon Trainer with 3DS processing no longer a problem. But I feel Charizard alone is more likely at the moment.
   •   Retro: I'm lumping Game and Watch, ROB, Duck Hunt together even through they're individual franchises. But anyway Ice Climbers will be an obvious want. Though it may depend on if 8 Player Smash makes a return. I actually really like 8 Player Smash. But if the team prioritizes bringing back the Ice Climbers. Either they remove 8 Player Smash altogether if the Switch cannot handle 16 Ice Climbers at once. Or perhaps they make Ice Climbers the only character you can't use in 8-Player Smash and have the game explicitly tell why you can't use them in that mode. As for newcomer possibilities there is Takamaru. But other then that I don't know what else could be added. Though watch Sakurai completely blindside us with someone we don't expect from an old game.
   •   MOTHER/Earthbound: No new characters
   •   F-Zero: No new characters
   •   Animal Crossing: No new characters
   •   Pikmin: No new characters (It was already basically 2 characters in one slot with the Alph alts)
   •   Wii Fit: If there's any chance that for the first time a franchise gets cut outside of technical issues (Ice Climbers) and 3rd Party kerfluffles (Metal Gear). Wii Fit Trainer would be the most likely one. But I won't be shocked to see her return.
   •   Xenoblade: I highly expect Shulk to return with the chance Rex joins him.
   •   Mii Fighters: I do think they return but I'm not sure yet if they come back the exact same way they did in Smash 4. It depends what happens with Custom Moves. The Switch still can use Miis, it's just they're not as front and center on the console as they were with the Wii, 3DS, and Wii U. Being there's no plaza. What is cool is the ability to actually have more color for hair for the Miis. I do think the Mii Fighters are kinda important to include because it allows younger fans (Or young-at-heart at least) to have those "Close enough" stuff to characters that are impossible where either they're real people, or characters that don't quite make the cut through the Mii costumes. The different color hairstyles will even allow people to include close enough versions of some of their favorite anime characters. Have any blue or pink haired Waifu's? You could be able to make a Mii of them in this game now without being restricted to natural hair colors.

I won't cover 3rd Party 2nd reps since I kinda already mentioned that in a question in the merit thread (https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39713.msg1995749#msg1995749). But overall I think it's very unlikely anyhow. And if it did happen it'd be just Tails or Knuckles for Sonic. Sonic's the only 3rd party with a realistic (But still very slim) chance of having a 2nd rep. The only 3rd Party character I could see have a strong chance at making it in immediately is Rayman. Maybe a mystery 2nd character gets in too. But Rayman's the most likely new 3rd Party I think. And who knows what comes out of the DLC later on. Ryu, Cloud, and Bayonetta were all mind blowing in one way or another. The skies the limit once we reach 3rd party DLCs.

So the pool of characters I could see coming in from the Main Game are as follows (This is not including the already confirmed Inklings):
Captain Toad, King K. Rool and/or Dixie Kong, Ridley or Dark Samus, Wolf, Decidueye, Ice Climbers, Takamaru, Rex, and Rayman

I am not saying all of them are certain or anything, in fact I think it's entirely possible less then half of this list actually makes it. But if you think that's small, that's because I'm not accounting for the inevitable surprise addition or two we'll probably get and I'm only accounting (for the exception of Retro and 3rd Parties) for franchises that have already been in the game. Plus I'm sure there will be a healthy amount of DLC characters. Either way, it should be an exciting time.

(If there are any new franchise possibilities that are on the top of my head now though. Spring Man from ARMS and/or a Rhythm Heaven rep is really all I've got at the moment)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Fawful Claus on March 14, 2018, 09:13:12 PM
Toad (any variation) would be incredibly disappointing for me as the only new Mario character so if it gets in I will need to vent by playing 8-player Smash vs. 7 of them with the settings heavily rigged in my favor. I'd at least have faith in Waluigi due to his Assist Trophy status and that's what Little Mac started as.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on March 14, 2018, 10:22:03 PM
Toad (any variation) would be incredibly disappointing for me as the only new Mario character so if it gets in I will need to vent by playing 8-player Smash vs. 7 of them with the settings heavily rigged in my favor.

I would so watch a video of you doing that.

Also, make them all in the same team, turn on friendly fire, and make the SD penalty -2.

Oh, and if you hack the game, modify their moveset files so all of their damage is zero, all of their knockback is zero, and their animations take like 5000 frames to complete.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Fawful Claus on March 14, 2018, 10:30:53 PM
Sadly the new Switch update probably killed chances of hacking like that for a very long time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 14, 2018, 10:38:30 PM
I'd just say don't update the Switch, but I'm not sure if it's easy. I know you can't simply say no to updates during Wii U or 3DS; Wii U, you need to set a DNS (otherwise your Wii U WILL update) while 3DS, well, I'm not sure honestly, but I did install Luma3DS on there and while the 3DS does nag me to update, simply saying no seems to do it for me. Annoying though.

It's annoying Nintendo and other developers like the bright folks behind Xbox and Playstation don't want people modding their games when there is so much benefit and appeal and actually helps sell the game. I know there's a problem with cheating though, but the solution is to just monitor online, as how Steam does it and you can report and VAC-ban people who cheat. To be fair, online competency isn't something I'd trust Nintendo for. I understand if developers don't want a GTA V online/Mario Kart Wii-esque *bleep*fest but that's not the mods' fault.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Ryu on March 14, 2018, 10:38:41 PM
Toad (any variation) would be incredibly disappointing for me as the only new Mario character so if it gets in I will need to vent by playing 8-player Smash vs. 7 of them with the settings heavily rigged in my favor.

I would so watch a video of you doing that.

Also, make them all in the same team, turn on friendly fire, and make the SD penalty -2.

Oh, and if you hack the game, modify their moveset files so all of their damage is zero, all of their knockback is zero, and their animations take like 5000 frames to complete.

So essentially you're planning to play Super Smash Releasio if Toad gets in?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on March 14, 2018, 10:42:58 PM
I actually genuinely like Toad, and I really want him in Smash. He's one of my favorite Mario characters.

I just want to share my wealth of ways I beat up characters I dislike in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: supermariofan on March 16, 2018, 01:36:17 AM
So apparently Funimation wants Goku in Smash.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2018/03/15/funimation-asks-nintendo-when-will-goku-join-the-fight-in-super-smash-bros/

So if adding Cloud breaks the “Only 3rd party characters who have appeared on Nintendo rule”, would adding Goku break the “No non video game characters” rule?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 16, 2018, 01:39:50 AM
Oh god, Goku is pretty much a joke at this point, ongoing at least since Brawl was announced. If Nintendo actually does follow through, I think the Smash community will implode and the Smashtansy universe time fabric will probably be a little torn.

though in the Tweet in the article, it ends with 😏 emoji, so it seems like the request is tongue-in-cheek?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on March 16, 2018, 03:11:33 AM
Okay. I love Dragon Ball. It's my favorite anime of all time. But Goku has no place in Smash whatsoever.

though in the Tweet in the article, it ends with 😏 emoji, so it seems like the request is tongue-in-cheek?
It most certainly is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: memoryman3 on March 16, 2018, 04:20:25 AM
I'm just going to give general thoughts about the character roster for this game. Like I said earlier I'm really leaning towards just about everybody from Smash 4 coming back. Even some of the potentially iffy ones like a few of the 3rd Parties, the clones, and the Mii Fighters (Because we don't know the fate of Custom moves yet).

Because I expect most of everybody coming back though, I don't think the newcomer pool will be all that huge. It will be the first time the newcomer pool is much smaller in a new game in the series. (Or at least it'd be absolutely maddening to expect Smash Switch to have more newcomers then Smash 4 did. There was a total of 19 (21 if you include the Mii Fighters as seperate) newcomers. That's crazy). I'd say my expectations would be at about 5 new 1st party characters including the Inklings in that number and maybe 1 or 2 more 3rd parties added in the main game. With obviously more characters later on as DLC.

I'm going to break down by each franchise what I generally expect and/or think would see if they get an addition.

   •   Mario: If Mario gets a new Character. It'll likely be Captain Toad. If not though they might keep it the same. I think no new Mario characters are actually more likely then Paper Mario, Waluigi, Daisy, etc. Captain Toad I feel is the only real possibility at the moment
   •   Yoshi: No new characters
   •   Wario: No new characters
   •   Donkey Kong: Gotta have King K. Rool at the very least. But I also think K. Rool might not be alone. I could potentially see Dixie join as well.
   •   Zelda: A little hard to say at the moment. I actually think there are more questions on whether with Link being BOTW style if he'll have some revamps to his moveset. And whether or not Zelda will be able to transform into Shiek again. New characters I'm just not so sure about right now.
   •   Metroid: Obviously Ridley will be back in the speculation spotlight. But a dark horse (No pun intended) candidate could be Dark Samus given Prime 4 is coming up. No doubt people would be kinda miffed if a 2nd dark version of a known character made it. But I think Dark Samus would be received much better then Dark Pit was.
   •   Kid Icarus: No new characters
   •   Fire Emblem: No new characters (Corrin basically was an early bird, otherwise I think he'd/she'd probably have gotten in here)
   •   Kirby: No new characters (Maybe a slight chance for Bandanna Dee, but otherwise I'm not confident in a new Kirby character)
   •   Punch-Out!!: No new characters
   •   Star Fox: Maybe a return of Wolf somewhere. But that's about it.
   •   Pokemon: I could see Decidueye being a strong possibility. While character patterns do kinda get overrated at times and I don't always agree they're necessary. It would be nice to have a grass starter to complete the Starter triangle that Charizard and Greninja could make 2/3rds of. That is unless Charizard returns to being with the Pokemon Trainer with 3DS processing no longer a problem. But I feel Charizard alone is more likely at the moment.
   •   Retro: I'm lumping Game and Watch, ROB, Duck Hunt together even through they're individual franchises. But anyway Ice Climbers will be an obvious want. Though it may depend on if 8 Player Smash makes a return. I actually really like 8 Player Smash. But if the team prioritizes bringing back the Ice Climbers. Either they remove 8 Player Smash altogether if the Switch cannot handle 16 Ice Climbers at once. Or perhaps they make Ice Climbers the only character you can't use in 8-Player Smash and have the game explicitly tell why you can't use them in that mode. As for newcomer possibilities there is Takamaru. But other then that I don't know what else could be added. Though watch Sakurai completely blindside us with someone we don't expect from an old game.
   •   MOTHER/Earthbound: No new characters
   •   F-Zero: No new characters
   •   Animal Crossing: No new characters
   •   Pikmin: No new characters (It was already basically 2 characters in one slot with the Alph alts)
   •   Wii Fit: If there's any chance that for the first time a franchise gets cut outside of technical issues (Ice Climbers) and 3rd Party kerfluffles (Metal Gear). Wii Fit Trainer would be the most likely one. But I won't be shocked to see her return.
   •   Xenoblade: I highly expect Shulk to return with the chance Rex joins him.
   •   Mii Fighters: I do think they return but I'm not sure yet if they come back the exact same way they did in Smash 4. It depends what happens with Custom Moves. The Switch still can use Miis, it's just they're not as front and center on the console as they were with the Wii, 3DS, and Wii U. Being there's no plaza. What is cool is the ability to actually have more color for hair for the Miis. I do think the Mii Fighters are kinda important to include because it allows younger fans (Or young-at-heart at least) to have those "Close enough" stuff to characters that are impossible where either they're real people, or characters that don't quite make the cut through the Mii costumes. The different color hairstyles will even allow people to include close enough versions of some of their favorite anime characters. Have any blue or pink haired Waifu's? You could be able to make a Mii of them in this game now without being restricted to natural hair colors.

I won't cover 3rd Party 2nd reps since I kinda already mentioned that in a question in the merit thread (https://www.marioboards.com/index.php?topic=39713.msg1995749#msg1995749). But overall I think it's very unlikely anyhow. And if it did happen it'd be just Tails or Knuckles for Sonic. Sonic's the only 3rd party with a realistic (But still very slim) chance of having a 2nd rep. The only 3rd Party character I could see have a strong chance at making it in immediately is Rayman. Maybe a mystery 2nd character gets in too. But Rayman's the most likely new 3rd Party I think. And who knows what comes out of the DLC later on. Ryu, Cloud, and Bayonetta were all mind blowing in one way or another. The skies the limit once we reach 3rd party DLCs.

So the pool of characters I could see coming in from the Main Game are as follows (This is not including the already confirmed Inklings):
Captain Toad, King K. Rool and/or Dixie Kong, Ridley or Dark Samus, Wolf, Decidueye, Ice Climbers, Takamaru, Rex, and Rayman

I am not saying all of them are certain or anything, in fact I think it's entirely possible less then half of this list actually makes it. But if you think that's small, that's because I'm not accounting for the inevitable surprise addition or two we'll probably get and I'm only accounting (for the exception of Retro and 3rd Parties) for franchises that have already been in the game. Plus I'm sure there will be a healthy amount of DLC characters. Either way, it should be an exciting time.

(If there are any new franchise possibilities that are on the top of my head now though. Spring Man from ARMS and/or a Rhythm Heaven rep is really all I've got at the moment)

I seriously don't get why Donkey Kong, a Mario subseries, is so popular within the Smash community to get 4 representatives yet Mario, the parent series doesn't deserve any.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Magikrazy on March 16, 2018, 04:38:16 AM
yeah mario doesnt deserve any characters thats exactly what he said, you got it right on your first try yippie yi yo
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Northern Verve on March 16, 2018, 10:44:39 AM
Oh god, Goku is pretty much a joke at this point, ongoing at least since Brawl was announced. If Nintendo actually does follow through, I think the Smash community will implode and the Smashtansy universe time fabric will probably be a little torn.

though in the Tweet in the article, it ends with 😏 emoji, so it seems like the request is tongue-in-cheek?

I like Dragonball as well. But this would be a precedent that's a step too far for Smash to go down to. Suddenly other Anime characters and cartoons will be viable too. 3rd Party video game characters that either have a strong relationship to Nintendo and/or are legends in Gaming history is enough.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on March 16, 2018, 09:45:29 PM
I have some predictions for Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch:

1. It is a port of Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS
2. There will be an adventure mode
3. There will be a new stage because the Inklings are going to be in the game.

Every prediction but the last one is a guess because they didn't announce neither of my first two at the Nintendo Direct. The third one may be obvious because they announced the Inklings for the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Koopaul on March 17, 2018, 03:25:51 AM
The Donkey Kong series is more than just a sub series to Mario. It has it's own identity with it's own cast and amazing games completely seperate from Mario.

Let's not forget that currently Mario has 7 fighters (not counting Wario or Yoshi) and Donkey Kong has 2. Just 2. You can see why DK is more a priority.

So it's not that some people don't want Mario to have more characters, it's just that certain series should be more of a priority due to the lack of characters they have.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 17, 2018, 08:03:28 PM
I think DK can do with just one more playable character, with Dixie or Cranky being the most realistic choice for me. As much as I want King K. Rool, he hasn't been in anything relevant for such a long time. I like to see him make a dramatic reappearance in a new DK game before I feel comfortable to see him in Smash. I also feel DK's important is a little inflated here and I also feel the DK series is very strongly associated with Mario (Super Sluggers being the thing where the two series extensively interacted with each other; Diddy and DK feature extremely frequently alongside Mario in games and Mario-brand merchandise), so I don't think it's an accident that DK is also counted alongside Mario in some head counts.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Magikrazy on March 19, 2018, 02:04:23 AM
if i were to pick a new donkey kong character, id go with funky tbh
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snoadgamer on March 19, 2018, 10:53:42 AM
Or Dixie
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Rintarou Okabe on March 19, 2018, 03:04:35 PM
(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/c/c5/Lanky.png)

HE HAS NO STYLE
HE HAS NO GRACE
THIS KONG
HAS A FUNNY FACE
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Weasel on March 19, 2018, 04:38:09 PM
and no chance of being in smash :^)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: winstein on March 20, 2018, 01:34:52 AM
I am going to guess the unpredictable one and say Rambi, even though its status as a steed in Donkey Kong games makes it less realistic. Note that even though Yoshi was Mario's steed, he managed to achieve viability as a playable character in Yoshi's Island, which is why I made that comment.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: GmanSir on March 20, 2018, 11:58:26 PM
The characters I see that have the highest chance of not returning are the 3 last minute additions, Greninja and Corrin (parent developers may push for newer characters) and I guess any third party character not Sonic aren't technically safe.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snow J on March 21, 2018, 01:08:24 AM
As I said in another thread, if we DO get any new Mario characters playable, then we're probably going to see others cut from the roster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Magikrazy on March 21, 2018, 04:33:44 AM
i think its time to cut jigglypuff

she had a good run, but she's a useless pile of crap and nobody has played as her since melee

like seriously, how popular is jigglypuff over in japan that they felt they absolutely needed to have her in the wii u and 3ds games
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snoadgamer on March 21, 2018, 10:40:51 AM
If we could add a Zelda character, I'd choose Impa.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Northern Verve on March 21, 2018, 11:33:26 AM
i think its time to cut jigglypuff

she had a good run, but she's a useless pile of crap and nobody has played as her since melee

like seriously, how popular is jigglypuff over in japan that they felt they absolutely needed to have her in the wii u and 3ds games

It's pretty much too late for that now. Even if by chance they do decide to leave Jigglypuff out of the main game. I'd HIGHLY expect them to include Jigglypuff in DLC. But I feel she's likely to be kept just out of tradition, plus she's a relatively easy character to develop.

(Also for some reason I like using her in Smash 4 more then I have in any previous game. Don't know why, I just do)

As I said in another thread, if we DO get any new Mario characters playable, then we're probably going to see others cut from the roster.

Why would adding any new Mario characters mean someone has to go? We still have a likely chance of just about everyone coming back through the roster being ported over. With the only reason for anyone being cut is if the 3rd party companies decline to a re-issuing of the license. Or there's a mechanic from the previous game that's missing that the character was essential to. (Even then that mostly just leads to a slight revamp. Like Shiek and Zero Suit Samus being seperate characters, or Charizard being alone all because the 3DS can't process transformations in Smash)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on March 21, 2018, 11:59:38 AM
i think its time to cut jigglypuff

she had a good run, but she's a useless pile of crap and nobody has played as her since melee

like seriously, how popular is jigglypuff over in japan that they felt they absolutely needed to have her in the wii u and 3ds games

It's pretty much too late for that now. Even if by chance they do decide to leave Jigglypuff out of the main game. I'd HIGHLY expect them to include Jigglypuff in DLC. But I feel she's likely to be kept just out of tradition, plus she's a relatively easy character to develop.

(Also for some reason I like using her in Smash 4 more then I have in any previous game. Don't know why, I just do)
Maybe because she actually looks game accurate now and not dead inside.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: supermariofan on March 21, 2018, 03:47:23 PM
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!

https://kotaku.com/microsoft-executive-is-open-to-putting-banjo-in-the-new-1823955922
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snow J on March 22, 2018, 01:09:18 AM
One of my brother's mains is Jigglypuff, so I can see him being upset if she got cut. Plus, she's a veteran.

As I said in another thread, if we DO get any new Mario characters playable, then we're probably going to see others cut from the roster.

Why would adding any new Mario characters mean someone has to go? We still have a likely chance of just about everyone coming back through the roster being ported over. With the only reason for anyone being cut is if the 3rd party companies decline to a re-issuing of the license. Or there's a mechanic from the previous game that's missing that the character was essential to. (Even then that mostly just leads to a slight revamp. Like Shiek and Zero Suit Samus being seperate characters, or Charizard being alone all because the 3DS can't process transformations in Smash)
I was thinking more so the roster wouldn't be so heavy with Mario characters. We had seven in Sm4sh (Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Dr. Mario, Rosalina, and Bowser Jr.), and that just seems like a bit much to me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on March 22, 2018, 09:15:14 AM
https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/976790642314522624 (https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/976790642314522624)

We're getting another Smash Invitational Tournament, so this will be one of our first looks at the Switch game. This should be fun. The one in 2014 was really cool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Jack Black on March 22, 2018, 10:05:41 AM
I was predicting that the game might get delayed back to 2019, but now I'm sceptical about that if they will have a playable build ready by E3.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: memoryman3 on March 23, 2018, 05:37:11 PM
One of my brother's mains is Jigglypuff, so I can see him being upset if she got cut. Plus, she's a veteran.

As I said in another thread, if we DO get any new Mario characters playable, then we're probably going to see others cut from the roster.

Why would adding any new Mario characters mean someone has to go? We still have a likely chance of just about everyone coming back through the roster being ported over. With the only reason for anyone being cut is if the 3rd party companies decline to a re-issuing of the license. Or there's a mechanic from the previous game that's missing that the character was essential to. (Even then that mostly just leads to a slight revamp. Like Shiek and Zero Suit Samus being seperate characters, or Charizard being alone all because the 3DS can't process transformations in Smash)
I was thinking more so the roster wouldn't be so heavy with Mario characters. We had seven in Sm4sh (Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Dr. Mario, Rosalina, and Bowser Jr.), and that just seems like a bit much to me.
Well Mario is by far Nintendo's most recognisable franchise...so why would they cut any Mario characters?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on March 23, 2018, 05:46:30 PM
because 1 of them is a clone.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on March 23, 2018, 08:15:36 PM
Cutting Doc is not going to give them more development time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: supermariofan on April 01, 2018, 02:51:42 AM
Looks like there will be third parties galore. Wouldn’t be surprised considering that Smash Wii U and 3DS gave third parties so much more love than we thought.

https://gamerant.com/super-smash-bros-switch-third-party-characters/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Lucinavidad on April 01, 2018, 02:17:46 PM
Looks like there will be third parties galore. Wouldn’t be surprised considering that Smash Wii U and 3DS gave third parties so much more love than we thought.

https://gamerant.com/super-smash-bros-switch-third-party-characters/
KNACK''S IN SMASH!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Northern Verve on April 01, 2018, 02:42:28 PM
Looks like there will be third parties galore. Wouldn’t be surprised considering that Smash Wii U and 3DS gave third parties so much more love than we thought.

https://gamerant.com/super-smash-bros-switch-third-party-characters/

(Maybe you intended this as an April Fools Joke but just in case)

Quote from: from said Article
It goes without saying that Super Smash Bros. is one of the most anticipated Nintendo Switch exclusives of the year. Even though we know very little about it, the pedigree of the franchise has left Nintendo fans very excited to see what the new game will bring to the table. We are still waiting on official details from Nintendo, but one rumor points to the new game featuring a lot of third-party characters.

This Super Smash Bros. rumor comes from “industry insider” Marcus Sellars, who has been “leaking” information on the upcoming game. Sellars does not provide evidence for his claims, but says he “independently verified” the information with his sources. In a since-removed tweet, Sellars said that “third parties will be heavily represented” in the upcoming game.

It’s worth pointing out that Sellars was supposedly fed this information from a Twitter user and Twitch streamer named ConnorEatsPants in an attempt to expose Sellars as a leaker of fake news. As previously stated, Sellars insists that he “independently verified” the information, but in light the ConnorEatsPants situation, fans should treat this rumor as almost certainly false until proven otherwise.

Marcus doesn't exactly have the best reputation. Take it with a grain of salt like any rumor.

Though I suppose on a more serious note. It might not be too surprising if 3rd party representation grows bigger. I mean we went from 2 in Brawl to 6 in Smash 4. I wouldn't be surprised if by the time Smash Switch has finished development and all the DLC has been released. We might have 10 or more 3rd parties.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snoadgamer on April 02, 2018, 12:32:17 AM
How about Rayman?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on April 02, 2018, 01:52:06 AM
If Rayman gets in, it'll be a dream come true. Though after that trophy reveal and that fake "leak" that fooled a lot of people, I don't want to go through that coaster again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Czario on April 02, 2018, 10:44:00 PM
I've seen some suggest Pauline or Cappy to be playable, but I don't think they should be. The most they'll get is an assist trophy or one of Mario's moves in Cappy's case.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on April 04, 2018, 12:00:38 AM
what exactly can Pauline do...?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Santa Yoshi on April 04, 2018, 02:03:31 AM
If there’s one thing I want for this game, it’s the ability to restrict the assist trophies that can appear, like “Waluigi only”.

Oh, and Waluigi Pinball needs to become a stage in Smash 5.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Jack Black on April 04, 2018, 02:36:07 AM
On the subject of Assist Trophies, can we have Solaire of Astora as one. He would be a joke Assist Trophy (similar to Goldeen), just saying "Praise the Sun" before disappearing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Fawful Claus on April 14, 2018, 05:01:59 PM
The leaks begin! Don't click the spoiler if you don't want to be spoiled (even though it's always more likely that these are fake)


Spoiler: Images/GIF (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Santa Yoshi on April 14, 2018, 05:11:18 PM
Yes, we finally get to see what the game looks like!  Yay!

But Cappy’s chances of being playable are now gone.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Fawful Claus on April 14, 2018, 05:14:03 PM
I'd take it with a grain of salt. There's been very convincing fakes before. Also:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on April 14, 2018, 05:41:16 PM
The animations... I'm not buying those. With BrawlBox, you CAN make custom animations. Below is a Brawl hack for Odyssey Mario. No Cappy, but it shouldn't be hard to work from that mod and add Cappy.

(https://i.imgur.com/aAZKcFX.jpg)

The UI does look a little different, but I'm not sure if Brawl modding offers the flexibility to show UI changes.

Some people are writing it off as a Brawl hack, but the high quality of the shaders make me doubt it's a Brawl hack.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Czario on April 14, 2018, 05:50:52 PM
I wanna say it's fake, albeit a very well done fake. Besides, if someone literally just had a copy of the game, wouldn't they show a lot more than what is given here?

EDIT: Someone on GameFAQs pointed out that the UI uses Gamecube controller button symbols. When you use the Gamecube controller adapter with the Switch currently, it registers as a Pro controller. While this could be changed for Smash, I still feel like it hurts this rumor.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Northern Verve on April 14, 2018, 07:00:34 PM
Very well done fake pretty much, props to the creator. But yeah not quite real. Though both Spring Man and Decidueye are characters I wouldn't be surprised actually make it to the game. Wouldn't be surprised if this becomes something like the Palutena leak we once had where that did end up being fake. but Palutena did end up being playable after all

But Cappy’s chances of being playable are now gone.

Cappy (by himself) has a chance at all? xP
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snoadgamer on April 15, 2018, 04:55:07 AM
Maybe Mario can cap throw in this game. So he might have the ability to capture! Kinda like Kirby!

Cool!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Santa Yoshi on April 15, 2018, 06:20:46 PM
Maybe Mario can cap throw in this game. So he might have the ability to capture! Kinda like Kirby!

Cool!
Copy Kirby (the ability to steal an ability from another Kirby) was always Kirby’s best move.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: memoryman3 on April 16, 2018, 12:05:29 PM
Very well done fake pretty much, props to the creator. But yeah not quite real. Though both Spring Man and Decidueye are characters I wouldn't be surprised actually make it to the game. Wouldn't be surprised if this becomes something like the Palutena leak we once had where that did end up being fake. but Palutena did end up being playable after all

But Cappy’s chances of being playable are now gone.

Cappy (by himself) has a chance at all? xP

That leak was not fake (Gematsu) It was just based on outdated info.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Northern Verve on April 16, 2018, 12:16:44 PM
Very well done fake pretty much, props to the creator. But yeah not quite real. Though both Spring Man and Decidueye are characters I wouldn't be surprised actually make it to the game. Wouldn't be surprised if this becomes something like the Palutena leak we once had where that did end up being fake. but Palutena did end up being playable after all

But Cappy’s chances of being playable are now gone.

Cappy (by himself) has a chance at all? xP

That leak was not fake (Gematsu) It was just based on outdated info.

If you mean what I mentioned about Palutena. No, there was a completely separate by itself Palutena "leak" that seemed to show a render of Palutena in Smash. I completely understand that Gematsu was likely real, just based on an outdated list back when Sakurai was still considering Chrom and also considered the Chorus Men to represent Rhythm Heaven
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Koopaul on April 16, 2018, 01:32:53 PM
There's something I run into a lot regarding cuts and whatnot. People seem to think in reverse. They act like they have all these characters ready to make and then they decide which ones to cut. In reality, they have a list of characters that have top priority and need to get done. If they have spare time then they usually make clones or other characters. So they don't exactly go in saying "these guys are getting cut" it's more like "we're putting them at the bottom of the list and we'll see if we have time to put them in".
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Czario on April 17, 2018, 07:24:35 PM
But that doesn't make much of a difference in which ones are likely to be cut, right?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Northern Verve on April 18, 2018, 12:35:49 AM
We can confirm 100% now that the Spring Man, Decidueye, Odyssey Mario, and Ice Climbers leak was fake. The person who made it has admitted it. And even at the same time showed a WIP of what would of been a pic of a Kirby Air Ride stage.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbCGGAVWkAEug_7.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbCGGv-W4AAwG47.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on April 18, 2018, 12:41:38 AM
Never believed it to be real anyway. But now I am hungry for something new. I need a teaser, a trailer, something.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Santa Yoshi on April 19, 2018, 01:16:06 AM
Never believed it to be real anyway. But now I am hungry for something new. I need a teaser, a trailer, something.
The closest we have is the trailer for the E3 Invitational Tournament...which just shows Smash Wii U footage!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on May 09, 2018, 06:30:19 PM


Players announced for the Invitational
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Weasel on May 10, 2018, 08:56:54 AM
half of these are melee players

half of these are smash 4 players

perfectly balanced
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Fawful Claus on May 10, 2018, 12:45:19 PM
Perfectly balanced would be 2 players of each game in the series including Brawl and the original Smash, with one of the SSB4 players using the 3DS version :P

On a more serious note, I wonder if these players are going to have any practice on the new game, and how much of it they'll get.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on May 10, 2018, 01:15:36 PM
For the Smash 4 invitational, they had a few hours with the game beforehand.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on May 10, 2018, 04:11:35 PM
Perfectly balanced would be 2 players of each game in the series including Brawl and the original Smash, with one of the SSB4 players using the 3DS version :P
you forgot Smash Flash and Smash Crusade you *bleep*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on May 10, 2018, 04:31:01 PM
How many Smash fangames are there anyway.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Pinkgu on May 16, 2018, 03:20:18 AM
https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/c/article/06a7f0f8-575b-11e8-b311-063b7ac45a6d.html (https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/c/article/06a7f0f8-575b-11e8-b311-063b7ac45a6d.html)
Smash will be playable in public in Japan at these events, I wonder if these are some of the places we will get character reveals from?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on June 07, 2018, 05:21:06 PM
I've narrowed down my top 10 most wanted newcomers.

1. King K. Rool
2. Ridley
3. Impa
4. Decidueye
5. Isaac
6. Dixie Kong
7. Simon Belmont
8. Toad
9. Ganon
10. Bandanna Dee
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 07, 2018, 05:31:25 PM
I've narrowed down my top 10 most wanted newcomers.

1. King K. Rool
2. Ridley
3. Impa
4. Decidueye
5. Isaac
6. Dixie Kong
7. Simon Belmont
8. Toad
9. Ganon
10. Bandanna Dee
I’m pretty sure Ganon was in Smash 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snow J on June 07, 2018, 05:31:55 PM
The only Mario character you added is Toad. Respect.

(I don't count DK characters when it comes to Smash even though they're technically Mario characters.)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on June 07, 2018, 05:36:13 PM
I've narrowed down my top 10 most wanted newcomers.

1. King K. Rool
2. Ridley
3. Impa
4. Decidueye
5. Isaac
6. Dixie Kong
7. Simon Belmont
8. Toad
9. Ganon
10. Bandanna Dee
I’m pretty sure Ganon was in Smash 4.
Nah. Ganondorf is though. And I've give up hope on him ever getting a moveset revamp. But this guy...
(https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/zelda_gamepedia_en/e/e1/Ganon_fsa.png?version=35c87e3c5d0b55e8d9b28af22bcda20d)
Now THAT'S a character I want to play as.

The only Mario character you added is Toad. Respect.

(I don't count DK characters when it comes to Smash even though they're technically Mario characters.)
Because he's the only one we need.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: winstein on June 08, 2018, 01:04:19 AM
I wonder what is the special character of the announcement for Smash this E3, because usually the most popular characters tend to be what gets people energised for the new game. It was Mega Man in 2014, while 2015 introduced Ryu (Street Fighter). While I know there are more than one playable character at that time, they still managed to make the character feel like a special addition (Villager and Wii Fit Trainer comes to mind).

If there's a character that is going to get people hyped, I think it would be Banjo Kazooie who was thought to be an impossibility due to RARE being under Microsoft, which makes their return a real showstopper. Extra points if said announcement is followed by some Banjo-Kazooie news that is related to Nintendo, like maybe a remake of Banjo-Kazooie on the Switch or maybe an N64 Classic featuring that game. I imagine a few new playables could even show up, namely in the Direct, so it remains to be seen what that character(s) is.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on June 08, 2018, 08:43:44 AM
If Ridley is in he will be shown at E3.

I predict at least one major popular first party character, maybe two, a third party (hopefully Simon) and then a few more minor first party characters. Guys like Toad and Decidueye who are hype, but not like K Rool or Ridley level. I also expect Ice Climbers to be shown.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: JC on June 08, 2018, 09:47:24 PM
My number one pick if they do introduce a new third-party character would be Rayman, given Nintendo's recent partnership with Ubisoft for Mario + Rabbids, and his moveset in Origins and Legends is transferable to Smash as well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on June 09, 2018, 01:13:40 PM
I've got a friend driving down to meet me and another friend so we can all watch on Tuesday together. We started a groupme and the group avatar is K. Rool and most of it is K. Rool *bleep*posting.

Are we setting ourselves up for disappointment? Maybe. But I think all three of us have K. Rool as our #1 newcomer. And even if he's not announced, we're still gonna see a bunch of new Smash content.

Man, Smash pre-release hype is the best.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Weasel on June 09, 2018, 01:45:38 PM
i'm with you in spirit

he's my most wanted too
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: winstein on June 10, 2018, 03:18:53 AM
I am a bit apprehensive on what the character reveal is, because my most wanted character is also (based on the internet) a very controversial pick,  so while I would be happy if the character is revealed, there will also be a lot of anger because it's would immediately be assumed that said character stole whatever wanted character the angered had wanted. I felt that most characters doesn't really interest me so I am afraid that I won't share the excitement that other people felt.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Jack Black on June 10, 2018, 03:36:45 AM
I know that he's never going to happen, but my most wanted newcomer is Mike Jones from Startropics.

I am a bit apprehensive on what the character reveal is, because my most wanted character is also (based on the internet) a very controversial pick,  so while I would be happy if the character is revealed, there will also be a lot of anger because it's would immediately be assumed that said character stole whatever wanted character the angered had wanted. I felt that most characters doesn't really interest me so I am afraid that I won't share the excitement that other people felt.
Which character do you want?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Smasher Claus on June 10, 2018, 09:55:40 AM
dropping my top ten here too:

1. Banjo & Kazooie
2. King K. Rool
3. Dixie Kong
4. Tibby (would also accept any other Rhythm Heaven character)
5. Ridley
6. Chibi-Robo
7. Isaac
8. Bomberman
9. Simon Belmont
10. Decidueye

honorable mention to Andy from Wars
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Roserade on June 10, 2018, 12:29:41 PM
I'm fully expecting Bandana Dee to be playable but

Who else pipedream Marx here
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Smasher Claus on June 10, 2018, 12:58:40 PM
Bandana Dee is probably the most deserving but not gonna lie I'd probably find Marx more exciting

he's excellent in Star Allies
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Weasel on June 10, 2018, 03:19:04 PM
there are dozens of us

dozens
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Czario on June 10, 2018, 03:44:48 PM
Here's my top ten newcomers list. Characters that are not blue (#7 on down) are ones that I don't want very strongly but I think would be cool.

1. Waluigi
2. Squid Sisters (this is my pipe dream choice)
3. Midna and Wolf Link
4. Shovel Knight
5. Ridley
6. Rayman
7. King K. Rool 
8. Tetra
9. Deciduceye
10. Arms Character

As far as returning veterans, I'd like to see Ice Climbers (even though I'm bad at them). Snake would be cool but he's unlikely, and I'm pretty indifferent about Wolf and most others.

If there are any cuts, I'd cut Dark Pit, Wii Fit Trainer, and if there's a new FE character, Lucina.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Gamefreak75 on June 10, 2018, 08:08:43 PM
Here's my top 5:

1. Ridley (it's time)
2. King K. Rool or Dixie Kong (new DK rep in general)
3. Banadana Waddle Dee, Marx, or Magolor (new Kirby rep in general)
4. Chibi-Robo
5. Shantae

Obviously not including veterans like Ice Climbers and Wolf, who would be #1 and #3 respectively.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mcmadness on June 10, 2018, 09:21:34 PM
Give me Duster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Miki Hoshii on June 10, 2018, 09:29:04 PM
add darker pit

I don't really have anyone particularly that I want in, they can add/exclude whoever as long as the game is fun. Dark Pit is just a meme but bring him back so I can joke about how he's in and x character isn't.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: winstein on June 10, 2018, 09:55:53 PM
My top 10, after filtering out from another thread, would be:
1) Waluigi: The only one I need, so he's number 1 on that front. He is a very funny character and has a lot of traits that make him suitable for Smash, such as being easy to tell from the silhouette due to his unique body shape, displaying personality in the games he appears in, and appearing very often so he's not some obscure character. If he's in, the newest Smash will be a must-buy for me.

The next three characters are from puzzle games, because they don't have proper representation on what they do best. Dr. Mario didn't quite count due to being a clone of Mario, so his characteristics are not unique to him that couldn't already be done by Mario, not even Megavitamins since they are essentially Fireballs that bounce higher, neither to characters that happen to star in Puzzle games yet their main calling are elsewhere, like Yoshi.

2) Lip: For this and a few others, I am going to put Puzzle game characters here because they don't have any representation in the list, and of the few, I want Lip the most, since her appearance is never seen in the West due to how much cuteness the original Puzzle League games got, despite the gameplay appearing in the West in Yoshi, Pokemon and even Animal Crossing skins.
3) Mallo: Another puzzle game character. The Pushmo playable character will bring Sumo moves to the playfield, for he's a sumo-based character in case one wants to have sumo fighters in Smash
4) Arle Nadja: A third-party pick, and while Arle Nadja isn't from a puzzle game herself, the puzzle game has eclipsed the RPG series she hailed from, and due to licensing complications, Arle Nadja is stuck to Puyo Puyo and will never return to the original owner, who owns the RPG series but not Puyo Puyo and its associated characters (they are under SEGA).

Going back to other properties:
5) Dillon: The character has an incredible character design, as are his friends that include Nomad the sniper squid (predating Splatoon's Inklings). Due to that, a Smash popularity boost is what is needed for Dillon to become well-known.
6) Style Savvy lady: Style Savvy is a strange fit due to the focus on fashion, but it would be an eccentric choice.
7) Chibi-Robo: Although it might be it for this miniature automaton to get new games, Chibi-Robo is still a charming robot who does things, and now we know his plug can be weaponised!
8) Sukapon: Sukapon was off limits back in the Melee days due to legal issues, but with Sukapon no longer being in legal purgatory and is now Nintendo-based, we could have our very first limbless fighter! (assuming Rayman didn't get in first)
9) Commander Video: The only indie character that had a Smash trophy in Smash 4, Commander Video's a largely Nintendo-centric franchise due to the bit.Trip series starting on WiiWare and Runner3 being on Switch. He has the entire bit.Trip history to base his moves around.
10) Slippy Toad: I think Slippy is the most unique of the Star Fox crew, so him having a playable chance allowed more diversification among the Star Fox characters, even more so than Wolf, who many people view as being similar to Fox despite being somewhat different. Besides, Slippy's got Star Fox Guard to fall back on for material. (Not related to Toad from Super Mario Bros.)

I guess my choices are way unpopular around here except for Chibi-Robo.

I know that he's never going to happen, but my most wanted newcomer is Mike Jones from Startropics.

I am a bit apprehensive on what the character reveal is, because my most wanted character is also (based on the internet) a very controversial pick,  so while I would be happy if the character is revealed, there will also be a lot of anger because it's would immediately be assumed that said character stole whatever wanted character the angered had wanted. I felt that most characters doesn't really interest me so I am afraid that I won't share the excitement that other people felt.
Which character do you want?

Waluigi. Sorry for beating around the bush, which I shouldn't have on a Mario forum. I suppose at least Waluigi is not as notorious as Tingle, who seems to have a negative stigma in America so despite his overall notability compared to most Zelda characters he's not likely to be playable due to that alone.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Fawful Claus on June 10, 2018, 10:19:34 PM
Waluigi seems like a popular choice among Mario newcomers so I wouldn't be ashamed of that. I want him too. He's my 3rd most wanted after Fawful and Paper Mario. Probably the most likely of them to get in, I'm banking entirely on the possibility of Sakurai going left-field but still from recent relevance (the remakes) for Fawful, otherwise I'm not seeing him, and Paper Mario could potentially be disappointing even if he got in. He needs to not exclusively draw moves from 3DS-onward games, but if there's adequate material drawn from the first 3 he'd be hype as *bleep*.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 11, 2018, 03:19:43 AM
New characters we need:
1. Waluigi
2. Waluigi
3. Waluigi
4. Waluigi
5. Waluigi
6. Waluigi
7. Waluigi

Oh, and one more character...

8. Waluigi
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Super Radio on June 11, 2018, 06:41:11 AM
I'd better hear an arrangement of this in tomorrow's Smash character reveal trailer.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Fawful Claus on June 11, 2018, 09:26:32 AM
I just showered to the Smash 4 theme.

We're at the home stretch fellas, the hype is real. Just one more day!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Christmas Grooves on June 11, 2018, 10:51:29 AM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/369643036319285258/455744235115773952/IMG_20180611_021719.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on June 11, 2018, 12:08:06 PM
We're about 24 hours out now!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Weasel on June 11, 2018, 12:23:26 PM
bingo card

but what if it's another *bleep*ing fire emblem character that i do know
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Jack Black on June 11, 2018, 01:49:56 PM
Because we're posting our top 10 most wanted characters, here's mine:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Christmas Crow on June 11, 2018, 04:14:51 PM
the character that I want that will never appear

bren mcguire
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Snow J on June 11, 2018, 07:17:25 PM
This is a character I really want, but not holding my breath for.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: winstein on June 12, 2018, 12:02:45 AM
This is a character I really want, but not holding my breath for.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Not a bad choice! After all Scribblenauts is a game that became a name thanks to the Nintendo DS's touchscreen.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Captain America on June 12, 2018, 10:51:48 AM
Listening to a live stream of Nintendo music before the direct, on my PS4 ironically enough.

I am so ready for this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Grima on June 12, 2018, 11:01:41 AM
when hte last hour hit

top 10 most wanted characters (veteran and newcomer)

1. Rhythm Heaven rep
2. Ashley
3. Ice Climbers
4. Ridley
5. Monster Hunter rep
6. Mimimkyu
7. Decidueye
8. Captain Toad
9. Wolf
10. Snake
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Fawful Claus on June 12, 2018, 11:15:20 AM
I have everything set up to react to this Direct, now all that's left is to wait. Patiently. Ever so... ok not patiently at all :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Glowsquid on June 12, 2018, 12:36:54 PM
MEMORYMAN3 WON
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Magikrazy on June 12, 2018, 12:37:53 PM
you think we'd learn our lesson after insisting to supermariofan *bleep* hunt dog would never make it in
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Jack Black on June 12, 2018, 12:46:31 PM
Ridley will be in the game.

This really is the best Smash Bros. game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: 09: Luigi on June 12, 2018, 12:50:09 PM
OMG.

The game is not out yet but it's already the best game of all time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Fawful Claus on June 12, 2018, 12:55:32 PM
The presentation started off hype, went downhill, then made a comeback with Ridley. But for me personally, I'm just bummed.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 12, 2018, 01:17:59 PM
I TOLD YOU MOTHER*bleep*ERS RIDLEY WOULD BE MAKE IT IN ONE DAY!

YEARS OF WAITING AND SPECULATION VALIDATED!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 12, 2018, 01:37:31 PM
Exactly 2.5 new characters are announced for this game.

I'm underwhelmed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Super Radio on June 12, 2018, 01:55:59 PM
I'd better hear an arrangement of this in tomorrow's Smash character reveal trailer.



I didn't hear this >:(

I'm not really upset so don't take this post seriously.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on June 12, 2018, 01:58:02 PM
Exactly 2.5 new characters are announced for this game.

I'm underwhelmed.
All 60+ Smash characters are in this game, of course there's not going to be many new characters. I think that all of the Smash characters in one game is hype-worthy its self.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas Crow on June 12, 2018, 02:08:49 PM
If I can't have Bren Mcguire in Smash offcially, I can mod him in!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 12, 2018, 02:11:34 PM
Yeah I also can't wait until this sucker is moddable.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 12, 2018, 02:14:07 PM
Exactly 2.5 new characters are announced for this game.

I'm underwhelmed.
but everyone is returning, including snake

that's great news
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 12, 2018, 02:15:09 PM
I thought Snake would never return. Konami has its head stuck up its ass nowadays.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 12, 2018, 02:19:23 PM
Snake snuck away from Konami in a box.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on June 12, 2018, 02:30:56 PM
gotta take some time to fully gather my thoughts and maybe put up a list of everything since there were notable things besides the obvious (o7 Bomberman at least you got something) but wow that was crazy
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: GmanSir on June 12, 2018, 02:35:50 PM
So...much...footage...to..see...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on June 12, 2018, 02:59:54 PM
The website is up! (https://www.smashbros.com)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: batman on June 12, 2018, 03:02:20 PM
watch em do a "free weekend" like theyre starting to do for their other games (splattoon, mario tennis, arms, etc)

cant wait
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: The Pyro Guy on June 12, 2018, 03:03:56 PM
Spoiler: big image (click to show/hide)

toon link looks wonderful
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on June 12, 2018, 03:32:57 PM
i'm actually shaking right now

oh my god
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on June 12, 2018, 04:23:46 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

vega's theme is in this holy *bleep*.  that's my favorite street fighter theme

and the new brinstar depths remix is incredible
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas Grooves on June 12, 2018, 04:33:45 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421127053866172416/456194126099251210/ss_6.png)

daisy has a bride outfit
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on June 12, 2018, 04:37:18 PM
Is there something odd about the PNGs on the website, that nothing else recognizes them as PNGs and they are invalid?

Anyway, I saw something amusing in Luigi's video and had to make this reference.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on June 12, 2018, 05:07:37 PM
Daisy literally looks like they frankensteined her head onto Peach's body.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on June 12, 2018, 05:10:18 PM
*bleep* was super hype. I had the biggest goddang smile when Ice Climbers was confirmed and the madman actually put Ridley in.

Daisy literally looks like they frankensteined her head onto Peach's body.
Well, they pretty much stated that she isn't unique enough to be her own character, so I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on June 12, 2018, 05:17:07 PM
watching through the fighter videos and so far i've heard a new remix of bowser's smb3 battle, delfino plaza, a fe6 map theme, id purpose, lost in thoughts, ridley's theme, and dkc bonus room

but best of all there's a sick new duck hunt arrangement
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 12, 2018, 05:30:24 PM
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/young_link/ss_4.jpg)

So glad Young Link returned. Thought he would forever be replaced by Toon Link.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on June 12, 2018, 06:34:23 PM
Now that I've slept and watched a bit of the invitational, it is basically just an altered Smash 4 which isnt really unexpected. Having all the characters back is hype.

I hope there's some good actual content to go with it because I didn't bother with the wiiu version since it was pretty barebones and the 3ds version had given me enough time to figure out I didn't like it. I'm not asking for story mode but just add something so I'm not just buying this to goof around with Pichu.

I could've done without ledge trumping and characters taking 40 years to die making their return.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on June 12, 2018, 06:52:16 PM
I was shocked when they announced Snake. People said he would not be in another Smash game, I had my faith in Snake the whole time. The announcement proved them wrong.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 12, 2018, 09:48:53 PM
"Everyone is Here" is such a simple but great tagline.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Meta Knight on June 12, 2018, 10:00:06 PM
Dunno if anyone has done this yet but I ordered the numbers:

01 - Mario
02 - Donkey Kong
03 - Link
04 - Samus
05 - Yoshi
06 - Kirby
07 - Fox
08 - Pikachu
09 - Luigi
10 - Ness
11 - Captain Falcon
12 - Jigglypuff
13 - Peach
13ε - Daisy
14 - Bowser
15 - Ice Climbers
16 - Sheik
17 - Zelda
18 - Dr. Mario
19 - Pichu
20 - Falco
21 - Marth
21ε - Lucina
22 - Young Link
23 - Ganondorf
24 - Mewtwo
25 - Roy
26 - Mr. Game & Watch
27 - Meta Knight
28 - Pit
28ε - Dark Pit
29 - Zero Suit Samus
30 - Wario
31 - Snake
32 - Ike
33 - Squirtle
34 - Ivysaur  ‎
35 - Charizard
36 - Diddy Kong
37 - Lucas
38 - Sonic
39 - King Dedede
40 - Olimar
41 - Lucario
42 - R.O.B.
43 - Toon Link
44 - Wolf
45 - Villager
46 - Mega Man
47 - Wii Fit Trainer
48 - Rosalina & Luma
49 - Little Mac
50 - Greninja
51 - Mii Brawler
52 - Mii Swordfighter
53 - Mii Gunner
54 - Palutena
55 - PAC-MAN
56 - Robin
57 - Shulk
58 - Bowser Jr.
59 - Duck Hunt
60 - Ryu
61 - Cloud
62 - Corrin
63 - Bayonetta
64 - Inkling
65 - Ridley
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Roller on June 12, 2018, 10:22:42 PM
Man, I was hoping it would round off at 64 characters. 65 is a bit of a nasty number.

In any case, much hype. Rest assured I will be buying this the moment it comes out.

Spoiler: skepticism incoming (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: YoshiGo99 on June 12, 2018, 10:33:43 PM
I'm pretty sure 65 is not the final number. Somewhere on Reddit, people were discussing 66 is mentioned so we could expect another character. And I imagine there are still some characters hiding, just not a lot. I'd expect at least 3-4 more.

As for the game starting out at the original 8, I am totally fine with it. I think that's really cool! It does suck there's so many characters to unlock but I will accept it. Maybe if there's an Adventure mode or something like SSE, we can unlock them quickly?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: winstein on June 12, 2018, 10:41:32 PM
Playable Daisy is better than non-playable Daisy, so this is a win. In fact, making a character playable secures that character to be playable, which is why I wished Waluigi could have been playable at some point, because that means he will be secured for a playable role in a potential future game. It might not happen now, but here's hoping it could happen at some point.

This is quite a turn from Super Smash Bros. 4, where there are fewer unlocks relative to the size of the cast. As long as none of them has an obscene condition like Mewtwo in Melee (and in turn Mr. Game & Watch since Mewtwo needed unlocking first to get him), it's good.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on June 12, 2018, 10:49:20 PM
A batch of thoughts:

- I really love how they're finally bringing back all those Melee stages that have been left out for so long. Princess Peach's Castle (which should have been brought back years ago), Fourside, Great Bay, and so forth. I'm not sure, but I'm beginning to suspect that they're bringing back every stage from the past games. I know it sounds crazy, but look at the list on Smash Wiki and all the stages visible in screenshots and you'll understand.
- Every veteran returning is pretty cool. I never thought Young Link or Pichu would return, but here we are. Too bad that means there will be few newcomers, but maybe it's worth it.
- I am furious that they put in Daisy before Waluigi. I know they only did it because they needed an easy clone newcomer, but out of all the Mario newcomers they could chosen, they chose the one with arguably the least reason to be in it. I can't believe they made the mistake of making Waluigi an assist trophy again. Oh well, if Ridley finally got in after so many years than maybe Waluigi will too some day...
- Speaking of which, it's absolutely awesome that Ridley is in. Metroid finally gets the representation it deserves. But is it just me or do some of his moves look similar to Charizard...?
- The Squid Sisters are an assist trophy. I knew they weren't gonna be playable... but hey, I can't complain since they are in the game with more than a simple trophy.
- Zelda representation is the best it can be without having newcomers. It's an interesting choice to have the characters' designs represent several games in the franchise, and I think it's the best course of action (certainly better than reusing TP designs).

All in all, this game is looking to be more of a collection of nearly everything from the series' past (at least as far as characters and stages go) with a small amount of new stuff. That's an unexpected approach to take, but I think it can work out. I'm excited to play with all those classic characters and stages and to try the new stuff too!   
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 12, 2018, 10:52:26 PM
Sorry Ridley, I know Mario's just gonna respawn in a floating sci-fi platform thing, but I'm going to have to kill you now.

Especially after I said you won't be in because you'll look stupid.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 12, 2018, 11:25:11 PM
I’m a bit worried about it not having too many new fighters. I hope Sora and Banjo will be added.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 12, 2018, 11:27:17 PM
I think I said it before, but I prefer that everyone returns first, so that way, Smash Bros. veterans don't have to fret about who's going to get cut. I'd rather have everyone return than cut characters for new characters. I think that's only fair.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: That_Yellow_Mushroom on June 12, 2018, 11:51:30 PM
Yeah I also read that they will have every single character from all previous smash bros games plus the new ones that they are coming out with!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 13, 2018, 12:03:55 AM
Bandanna Waddle Dee and Maxwell.
Bandanna Waddle Dee and Maxwell.
Bandanna Waddle Dee and Maxwell.
That's all I ask!

I'm not going to ask for Aloy, because she's way too obscure and new, and not Nintendo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: winstein on June 13, 2018, 12:11:01 AM
I am hoping that Assist Trophies can also encompass playable characters, so we might have some characters who looked like they are Assist Trophies but they are in fact playable but we didn't know that. Feel free to dispute this because that's like a very slim chance of that happening.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 13, 2018, 12:25:38 AM
I don't think we're spending enough time on the fact that Mario and Mega Man got *bleep*ing murdered.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: FrostyPhoenix on June 13, 2018, 12:32:19 AM
Eh Mario has plenty of 1-up Mushrooms to prevent him from crossing over to the Overthere and even if Mega Man runs out of lives, Dr. Light can probably fix him right up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 13, 2018, 12:35:02 AM
I don't think we're spending enough time on the fact that Mario and Mega Man got *bleep*ing murdered.
Sorry Ridley, I know Mario's just gonna respawn in a floating sci-fi platform thing, but I'm going to have to kill you now.

Especially after I said you won't be in because you'll look stupid.
I don't think any more time needs to be spent. LGM is on the case.
RIP Ridley. You won't be missed by Samus at least.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on June 13, 2018, 12:54:35 AM
So did anyone else feel like some of Ridley's moves looked familiar? Like they were similar to Charizard's or something?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 13, 2018, 01:00:14 AM
Not really. Most of his stuff seemed unique.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Roller on June 13, 2018, 01:04:21 AM
Bandanna Waddle Dee.
I'm expecting a few more newcomers.

I think I said it before, but I prefer that everyone returns first, so that way, Smash Bros. veterans don't have to fret about who's going to get cut. I'd rather have everyone return than cut characters for new characters. I think that's only fair.

I agree. but i do really wish there was shovel knight like cmon ;-;
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on June 13, 2018, 01:07:55 AM
They gave Ike his voice from Heroes and brought in Marth's English VA. Hopefully they do the same for Cloud, and also re-record Fox's voice (EDIT: omg they did (https://youtu.be/qpjFpt-7k_Y?t=21m15s) and it's so much better).

I also like the Fire Emblem Critical Hit-style cut-ins for the Final Smashes, that's a nice touch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 13, 2018, 01:34:24 AM
I just thought of something.

Smash Melee/Brawl/3DS/Wii U had FLUDD as Mario's down special.

Smash Ultimate has Cappy, and no word on FLUDD.

Could it be that Cappy is replacing FLUDD?  No, I have a better idea.  What if Smash Ultimate had custom fighters?  Then they could make one option for Cappy and another for FLUDD.  The third one?  No clue.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Magikrazy on June 13, 2018, 01:36:14 AM
Smash Ultimate has Cappy, and no word on FLUDD.
fludd was very clearly shown

edit: (https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/mario/ss_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 13, 2018, 01:39:51 AM
Oh, I didn't catch that.  But it made me think about something.  What if every move in Smash history is returning via custom fighters?  Not likely, but it would be awesome.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 13, 2018, 01:57:13 AM
The stock heads don't seem to be just artwork crops. They're their own thing, and they're stylized with flat colors.

I'll show a handful.

(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/0/0d/MarioHeadSSBU.png)(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/9/91/KirbyHeadSSBU.png)(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/a/aa/LinkHeadSSBU.png)(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/f/fa/PikachuHeadSSBU.png)

Sonic and Pac-Man's just have their logos, probably because that's already the best representation of their heads, I don't know.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 13, 2018, 02:28:38 AM
Hey Capcom! Maybe you should think about doing what Sakurai is doing for your next Marvel vs Capcom game. Maybe that franchise will be loved again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 13, 2018, 04:01:32 AM
The stock heads don't seem to be just artwork crops. They're their own thing, and they're stylized with flat colors.

I'll show a handful.

(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/0/0d/MarioHeadSSBU.png)(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/9/91/KirbyHeadSSBU.png)(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/a/aa/LinkHeadSSBU.png)(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/f/fa/PikachuHeadSSBU.png)

Sonic and Pac-Man's just have their logos, probably because that's already the best representation of their heads, I don't know.
For a while my avatar was something like this. Of myself, of course, because I have an unhealthy obsession with self inserts. I'm not a narcissist I swear. I hope.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on June 13, 2018, 04:42:44 AM
One thing I just noticed. Robin's character trailer doesn't showcase his/her Final Smash.

Will Chrom get his chance... another day... as an Echo Fighter for Ike?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: YoshiEgg1990 on June 13, 2018, 06:07:07 AM
I'm glad that the Miis will return in this game. Happily they are not going to die :)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on June 13, 2018, 07:35:54 AM
I don't think we're spending enough time on the fact that Mario and Mega Man got *bleep*ing murdered.
The only character that could get me more hyped than Mega Man straight up kills him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on June 13, 2018, 08:01:06 AM
Hey Capcom! Maybe you should think about doing what Sakurai is doing for your next Marvel vs Capcom game. Maybe that franchise will be loved again.

To be fair, what characters on the marvel side that get in isn't exactly their choice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 13, 2018, 11:20:54 AM
I do hope that small, stupid change of selecting stage first, then characters doesn't get that much in the way of enjoying the game. What would happen if you wanted to rematch someone in a counterpick stage? Would you have to reselect those characters or would they retain them? Either way, it's an arbitrary move.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on June 13, 2018, 11:36:07 AM
I do hope that small, stupid change of selecting stage first, then characters doesn't get that much in the way of enjoying the game. What would happen if you wanted to rematch someone in a counterpick stage? Would you have to reselect those characters or would they retain them? Either way, it's an arbitrary move.
Agreed. I hope that can be changed in options or something.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 13, 2018, 01:13:23 PM
I noticed some things in the trailer.

-Daisy, Dark Pit, and Lucina are Echo Fighters.

-Alph and the Koopalings are now seemingly just palette swaps instead of Echo Fighters.

-Dr. Mario is not an Echo Fighter.

What a mess.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on June 13, 2018, 01:17:23 PM
-Alph and the Koopalings are now seemingly just palette swaps instead of Echo Fighters.
They were never Echo Fighters in the first place.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 13, 2018, 01:20:43 PM
I suppose you haven't played Smash Wii U, but Dark Pit and Lucina are always considered "separate" fighters while Alph and the Koopalings have always been palette swaps. Echo fighters are pretty much fighters who have slightly different characteristics. Doc has been Luigified, so he's now more of a semi-clone, as he has a different down-special and d-air as well as having every move behave very differently from Mario. Lucina and Dark Pit, on the other hand, are extremely similar to their base character, Marth and Pit respectively. Daisy also looks nearly identical to Peach, and she's closer to Peach than Doc is to Mario.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 13, 2018, 02:09:57 PM
Of myself, of course, because I have an unhealthy obsession with self inserts.

You're weird.

I do hope that small, stupid change of selecting stage first, then characters doesn't get that much in the way of enjoying the game. What would happen if you wanted to rematch someone in a counterpick stage? Would you have to reselect those characters or would they retain them? Either way, it's an arbitrary move.

As someone who plays really long sessions, someone will be really unhappy if the fighter selections and stuff are unchanged.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 13, 2018, 02:17:58 PM
Of myself, of course, because I have an unhealthy obsession with self inserts.

You're weird.
Thank you. And I know. It's a problem. :shifty:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 13, 2018, 03:00:35 PM
I suppose you haven't played Smash Wii U, but Dark Pit and Lucina are always considered "separate" fighters while Alph and the Koopalings have always been palette swaps. Echo fighters are pretty much fighters who have slightly different characteristics. Doc has been Luigified, so he's now more of a semi-clone, as he has a different down-special and d-air as well as having every move behave very differently from Mario. Lucina and Dark Pit, on the other hand, are extremely similar to their base character, Marth and Pit respectively. Daisy also looks nearly identical to Peach, and she's closer to Peach than Doc is to Mario.
I have played Smash Wii U; actually, it's the only Smash game I've played.  I never understood why Lucina and Dark Pit got their own slots, why Alph didn't (even though he's as much as an Echo Fighter as them), and why there are two characters named Roy in the game.  It doesn't really make sense.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 13, 2018, 03:03:45 PM
Slots don't really mean much, but I think it might be a good idea, only for aesthetic reasons, to tie Echo Fighters in the same tile as the base fighters, maybe the same for Doc as well. Alph isn't "as much as an Echo Fighter"; he's only a cosmetic change from Olimar. Echo Fighters seem to have slightly modified attack properties.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on June 13, 2018, 03:04:33 PM
I never understood why Lucina and Dark Pit got their own slots, why Alph didn't (even though he's as much as an Echo Fighter as them), and why there are two characters named Roy in the game.  It doesn't really make sense.
Lucina & Dark Pit are clones because they didn't have enough time to make a new character, but had enough time to create a clone. The Reason Alph didn't become a Clone was because they didn't have enough time to make him into a Clone.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 13, 2018, 03:08:30 PM
I feel you're just trying to confuse YoshiFlutterJump :shifty:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 13, 2018, 03:34:53 PM
Dr. Mario's down special is different from Mario's. That's enough to separate him from echo characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 13, 2018, 03:38:09 PM
Not really, because Dark Pit also has a different d-special. Dr. Mario's overall moveset and playstyle is radically different. Dr. Mario is about being patient and scoring strong hits. Mario is about mobility and stringing comboes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 13, 2018, 03:44:56 PM
The thing about Alph, though, is that he and the Koopalings aren't treated like other palette swaps, even though they share a slot.  The announcer and crowd calls them by a different name, and they seem to have unique sprites.  For the Koopalings, it makes sense that they share a slot with Bowser Jr., considering that there are seven of them (not to mention that some Fire Emblem character came through DLC and stole Roy's name); however, the fact that the Koopalings can become Shadow Mario is just confusing.

Alph and the Koopalings are basically in a category of their own: the Swap Fighter class.  They behave exactly the same as another fighter (like Echo Fighters), and are selected by pressing L/R on another character (like palette swaps), but they have unique sprites and are called by different names.

For Dr. Mario, you're right that he's more than an echo fighter.  But his moveset is heavily based on Mario's, except for his down special (he uses Mario's original down special instead of FLUDD) and his final smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on June 13, 2018, 04:55:00 PM
I don't think there is much to be done with Alph anyway, even in Pikmin itself all captains play the same.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 13, 2018, 04:56:15 PM
Of myself, of course, because I have an unhealthy obsession with self inserts.

You're weird.
Thank you. And I know. It's a problem. :shifty:

Pssst, don't tell anyone this but

I'm obsessed with self-inserts as well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on June 13, 2018, 05:15:36 PM
I just like video games.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on June 13, 2018, 05:40:32 PM
Some assorted thoughts finally:

- I had a feeling we might finally see no cuts this time, but I didn't see literally everyone happening. Happy about no cuts, very happy about Ice Climbers, Wolf, and Snake coming back. Mixed feelings on having Pichu/Young Link/Trainer again, but I admit it's pretty interesting to have every last veteran together.
- Inklings look pretty cool, I'm interested in trying them out. Still a excellent choice.
- Daisy eh. I like her but I've never had much desire to see her in Smash. Not a terrible clone choice though, and given that I like Peach I'll probably end up playing as her sometimes.
- Ridley...oh man, so SO happy to finally have him in, especially since I had no hope for him going into this round. He's long overdue and they did a great job with him.
- I kind of hope every stage is back now? Maybe leave out a few of the more redundant ones (we probably don't need all of the Flat Zones for example), but otherwise it's really cool seeing how many are in already. I'm fine with there likely being less newer stages because the giant number of past ones gives a great amount of variety already.
- Likewise with every past fighter back I'm fine with and expecting less unique newcomers. I'm thinking maaaybe 5 more for an even 70 minus echoes. We also probably haven't seen every echo yet, which I'm also ok with. Kind of wondering who else will get in as one now...
- I was actually hoping Alph would be promoted to a clone/echo here, never really liked him being just a palette swap.
- Kind of disappointed Bomberman's an assist (and also kind of think of it's unusual) but oh well, happy he's acknowledged. Not personally bothered by any of the others that are out of it, though a few I wouldn't have minded seeing playable.
-- Overall the game just looks really really nice, there are a few decisions I'm mixed on or don't care for but nothing is perfect. A lot of the changes they have shown have been really great. It's been more than enough to hype me and I'm really looking forward to Ultimate now. It's gonna be great.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 13, 2018, 05:45:54 PM
I don't think there is much to be done with Alph anyway, even in Pikmin itself all captains play the same.
We know at one point Sakurai considered Alph for a separate character slot with the a moveset that would have involved Rock Pikmin in some way. Not sure how unique he would have been but I wouldn't have been bothered with him being separate. Shame he's once again stuck as an alt, but hey that's better than a lot of characters who never get a chance.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 13, 2018, 07:22:34 PM
I hope every stage from the previous Smash games return, of course some would need some adjustments. For instance, since Ridley is now playable, they’ll just make new hazards for Pyrosphere somehow, I don’t want it to be some empty gigantic stage.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 13, 2018, 07:40:54 PM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/1bede43bfdd5d8d924839fc28a94d1ce/tumblr_paacbtwhwG1x62z9mo1_250.png)
A detail I noticed that Mario's up b sometimes gives you regional coins from Odyssey, it's not due to the costume either, I saw him get the regular gold coins earlier  in this match
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 13, 2018, 08:15:01 PM
Ness doesn't headbutt for his up aerial anymore. He smacks the air similarly to Peach

https://mobile.twitter.com/theSirToasty/status/1006933950764380160

Not sure how to feel about this. I'm going to miss the headbutt, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 13, 2018, 08:19:12 PM
Smash Ultimate has Cappy, and no word on FLUDD.
fludd was very clearly shown

edit: (https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/mario/ss_4.jpg)
Hang on, I actually looked through the Direct and the Treehouse videos and didn't see Mario use FLUDD.  Which video did that screenshot come from, and where in the video?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on June 13, 2018, 08:21:29 PM
FLUDD was used during the invitational, it's back. It still does the same thing as usual.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 13, 2018, 08:43:51 PM
Ness doesn't headbutt for his up aerial anymore. He smacks the air similarly to Peach

https://mobile.twitter.com/theSirToasty/status/1006933950764380160

Not sure how to feel about this. I'm going to miss the headbutt, that's for sure.
I miss Peach's double split kick that she had as her up aerial. It was a lot more satisfying to hit opponents with than the rainbow.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on June 13, 2018, 09:16:03 PM
Ness doesn't headbutt for his up aerial anymore. He smacks the air similarly to Peach

https://mobile.twitter.com/theSirToasty/status/1006933950764380160

Not sure how to feel about this. I'm going to miss the headbutt, that's for sure.

It fits better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 13, 2018, 09:41:48 PM
FLUDD was used during the invitational, it's back. It still does the same thing as usual.
Yep, I've seen him now.

So here are Mario's special moves in Smash Ultimate:
Standard: Fireball Cap Throw
Side: Cape
Up: Super Jump Punch
Down: FLUDD
Final Smash: Mario Finale

Nice to see that Cappy and FLUDD are both part of Mario's moveset.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 13, 2018, 09:44:13 PM
Wait, he doesn't throw fireballs anymore?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 13, 2018, 09:44:39 PM
Umm he still has fireball. Cappy is just a visual addition for taunts and his Up B.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 13, 2018, 09:47:57 PM
Wait, so Cap Throw isn't a move?  I didn't see Fireball in any videos and I thought it was replaced by Cap Throw.  Come to think of it, Cap Throw wasn't shown either.  Too bad, I was hoping Cappy would be more than a minor visual change.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 13, 2018, 09:51:03 PM
If they were to add Dragonborn from Skyrim as a playable character, I want there to be gender swap like Wii Fit Trainer, Robin and Corrin to fit the traditional character creation in the Elder Scrolls series.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 13, 2018, 09:58:26 PM
Wait, so Cap Throw isn't a move?  I didn't see Fireball in any videos and I thought it was replaced by Cap Throw.  Come to think of it, Cap Throw wasn't shown either.  Too bad, I was hoping Cappy would be more than a minor visual change.
Mario throws Cappy as a taunt, so maybe your memory is messing with you.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Kyoka Jiro on June 13, 2018, 10:02:28 PM
mario's fine as is, but adding cappy to his moveset wouldve been neat
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 13, 2018, 10:03:51 PM
Well I’m late on what happened a few pages back (I haven’t been coming to this site that often), but here are my top 10 most wanted newcomers:
10. King K Rool
9. Crash Bandicoot
8. Spyro
7. Dragonborn
6. Rayman
5. Travis Touchdown
4. Simon Belmont
3. Sub Zero
2. Sora
1. Banjo Kazooie
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 13, 2018, 10:11:25 PM
Well I’m late on what happened a few pages back (I haven’t been coming to this site that often), but here are my top 10 most wanted newcomers:
10. King K Rool
9. Crash Bandicoot
8. Spyro
7. Dragonborn
6. Rayman
5. Travis Touchdown
4. Simon Belmont
3. Sub Zero
2. Sora
1. Banjo Kazooie
None of them made it, sorry.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: winstein on June 13, 2018, 10:49:25 PM
For some reason, while I felt like Ridley entering felt natural, it still felt like a dream that Daisy made it in even as an Echo Fighter (or some of you like to call: a clone). It doesn't really help that Echo Fighters like Dark Pit and Lucina never had the benefit of Melee's clones who had several changes to make them less derivative so Daisy had to make do with the largely same moveset as Peach.

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 13, 2018, 10:55:10 PM
Well I’m late on what happened a few pages back (I haven’t been coming to this site that often), but here are my top 10 most wanted newcomers:
10. King K Rool
9. Crash Bandicoot
8. Spyro
7. Dragonborn
6. Rayman
5. Travis Touchdown
4. Simon Belmont
3. Sub Zero
2. Sora
1. Banjo Kazooie
None of them made it, sorry.
You know the game is not even out yet right?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 13, 2018, 11:09:16 PM
I guess Daisy floats now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 13, 2018, 11:45:17 PM
Well I’m late on what happened a few pages back (I haven’t been coming to this site that often), but here are my top 10 most wanted newcomers:
10. King K Rool
9. Crash Bandicoot
8. Spyro
7. Dragonborn
6. Rayman
5. Travis Touchdown
4. Simon Belmont
3. Sub Zero
2. Sora
1. Banjo Kazooie
None of them made it, sorry.
You know the game is not even out yet right?
Yeah, but they announced the characters for the game, and there are only two newcomers: Inkling and Ridley.  Daisy doesn't count.

They may add some surprise newcomers, but it's very unlikely.  This game's roster is focused on returning all 63 veterans (plus Echo Fighters), and it accomplished just that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 14, 2018, 12:18:05 AM
Of all the stages in the past Smash games, the one I'm certain won't return are the Miiverse stage, which is basically pointless now and would just rub it in.
Flatzone 1 and 2 might not return if we get Flatzone X, which I'm certain we will.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 14, 2018, 12:42:28 AM
Well I’m late on what happened a few pages back (I haven’t been coming to this site that often), but here are my top 10 most wanted newcomers:
10. King K Rool
9. Crash Bandicoot
8. Spyro
7. Dragonborn
6. Rayman
5. Travis Touchdown
4. Simon Belmont
3. Sub Zero
2. Sora
1. Banjo Kazooie
None of them made it, sorry.
You know the game is not even out yet right?
Yeah, but they announced the characters for the game, and there are only two newcomers: Inkling and Ridley.  Daisy doesn't count.

They may add some surprise newcomers, but it's very unlikely.  This game's roster is focused on returning all 63 veterans (plus Echo Fighters), and it accomplished just that.
Knowing Sakurai, I don’t trust that. He says that, but does something else, he says that, but does something else. He says his goal is to bring All returning fighters and he accomplished that, and he ends with “I hope you weren’t expecting too many new challengers.” I think what he means with that statement is “I hope you weren’t expecting too many new challengers TODAY.” He’s probably making more and more new characters and we don’t even know it. He’s like the Hitchcock of video game developers.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on June 14, 2018, 12:51:57 AM
"We're kind of hoping you aren't expecting too many new challengers" basically says that there's still more to come, just not necessarily as much as we've seen in the past. We've got about six months before the game comes out, there's still more to be shown.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 14, 2018, 01:31:52 AM
I bet we see at most like five more newcomers. DLC is a total wild card though, if there even will be any.

With how much fan service is in this game and how Sakurai mentioned that Ridley got in because of fan demand, I can totally see K. Rool happening now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 14, 2018, 02:56:30 AM
Changelist of characters seems to be here.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sms3uEX5tfVDOObQBzilUhiPmRpv1GvBj_ZccTZFcBs/edit#

Quote from: Mario nerfs :<<<
- Can't combo off of Dthrow with uptilt spam
- UpTilt has more ending lag
- Jabs have more knockback
- Throw combos, just not as easy
but u-air and n-air and d-air comboes as well as jab cancel + grab, I do hope remain untouched

f-tilt and forward-throw need a buff goddammit

also please do something about his allergy to opponents' disjointed hitboxes, it's depressing

also can't wait to mod over that trash Brawl voice again while the dumb gumball Kirby gets new recordings again
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 14, 2018, 03:54:04 AM
Guys... is there normally a red hammer item in another Smash Bros or in Bowser Jr's moveset?

Because... I think I saw the Eekhammer from Sticker Star with Bowser Jr. in his individual trailer. It even behaves the same, repetitive but seemingly weak hits.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 14, 2018, 04:21:09 AM
That hammer is his pummel, I'm guessing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on June 14, 2018, 10:56:29 AM
Changelist of characters seems to be here.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sms3uEX5tfVDOObQBzilUhiPmRpv1GvBj_ZccTZFcBs/edit#

Link’s changes seem to be mostly buffs, though that may just be personal taste.
PAC-MAN also got buffed, which I’m happy with.
Quote from: 42. R.O.B.
- Down throw now grounds
Down Throw was one of R.O.B.’s best moves due too how easily you can perform combos with it, so it upsets me to see any combo opportunities completely removed from it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: MnSG on June 14, 2018, 11:30:58 AM
May I just take the time to salute our royal cuties?

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/6/6a/PeachSSBU.png) (https://www.mariowiki.com/images/5/5e/ZeldaSSBU.png) (https://www.mariowiki.com/images/6/63/RosalinaLuma_SBBU.png)

Zelda has definitely changed from being someone who looks too serious, to someone who actually feels highly charming to look at.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gellert Grindelwald on June 14, 2018, 11:38:37 AM
>putting in the fan ridiculed princess daisy
>not putting in fan favourite WAAAAAAAluigi
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on June 14, 2018, 12:17:23 PM
>not making a bodacious echo fighter instead
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 14, 2018, 12:45:39 PM
Would they make Funky knuckle-walk like DK though? That would look really off.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 14, 2018, 01:32:12 PM
>putting in the fan ridiculed princess daisy
>not putting in fan favourite WAAAAAAAluigi

Hey Thanos.

Do you have the reality stone yet? Because if so, I think we can put it to good use, for the greater good.

That roster needs to be balanced.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 14, 2018, 02:06:14 PM
So people have been able to piece together a stage list of a whopping 84 stages. YouTube comments tell me there have been 115 over the course of the series. Sakurai, the mad man that he is, may actually include every stage minus redundant ones like the first two Flat Zones and just give us Flat Zone X.

As long as Fountain of Dreams and Poke Floats make their way in, I'll be content. Brinstar Depths would also be really cool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Meta Knight on June 14, 2018, 02:20:08 PM
>putting in the fan ridiculed princess daisy
>not putting in fan favourite WAAAAAAAluigi

Top 10 Anime Betrayals
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 14, 2018, 03:04:09 PM
I hope single player goes back to its traditional routes. I don’t want to play a game of chess or choose a correct path, it’s more fun when it’s random.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on June 14, 2018, 03:59:30 PM
>putting in the fan ridiculed princess daisy
>not putting in fan favourite WAAAAAAAluigi
Theory: Sakurai doesn't like Waluigi as playable. He loves Waluigi being an assist.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on June 14, 2018, 04:23:59 PM
Somebody was fooling around in photoshop one day and....
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 14, 2018, 04:42:45 PM
Aren't they both base-breakers? Coulda sworn...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on June 14, 2018, 06:30:34 PM
Would they make Funky knuckle-walk like DK though? That would look really off.

He does in Tropical Freeze.  It looks fine to me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 14, 2018, 11:30:02 PM
So people have been able to piece together a stage list of a whopping 84 stages. YouTube comments tell me there have been 115 over the course of the series. Sakurai, the mad man that he is, may actually include every stage minus redundant ones like the first two Flat Zones and just give us Flat Zone X.

As long as Fountain of Dreams and Poke Floats make their way in, I'll be content. Brinstar Depths would also be really cool.
All 👏 stages 👏 should 👏 be 👏 available 👏 in 👏 8-player 👏 Smash

Ideally with hazards intact but also toggable for those that don't like 'em
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 15, 2018, 12:01:11 AM
Stages hazards are confirmed to be toggable. But for some reason that also includes the moving Platforms on Saffron City and Wily Castle, which is weird.

(https://i.redd.it/hd7ub886l1411.png)

Here's the current stage list.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on June 15, 2018, 12:09:53 AM
So people have been able to piece together a stage list of a whopping 84 stages. YouTube comments tell me there have been 115 over the course of the series. Sakurai, the mad man that he is, may actually include every stage minus redundant ones like the first two Flat Zones and just give us Flat Zone X.

As long as Fountain of Dreams and Poke Floats make their way in, I'll be content. Brinstar Depths would also be really cool.
All 👏 stages 👏 should 👏 be 👏 available 👏 in 👏 8-player 👏 Smash

Ideally with hazards intact but also toggable for those that don't like 'em
Yeah, I agree with all the stages being in 8-player smash, so the fire marshal won't complain.  :bowser:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 15, 2018, 12:43:21 AM
Stages hazards are confirmed to be toggable. But for some reason that also includes the moving Platforms on Saffron City and Wily Castle, which is weird.
Yeah but I was thinking how Smash 4 removed the hazards in the 8 player Smash version, and wasn't fond of that. I've played the "unintentional" way where I was rocking with 8 players and stage hazards like on Gamer and that Jungle Hijinx stage on and it's hella fun, so I like to see full featured stages for 8-player Smash as well as the option to remove the hazards.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on June 15, 2018, 05:27:41 AM
Stages hazards are confirmed to be toggable. But for some reason that also includes the moving Platforms on Saffron City and Wily Castle, which is weird.

(https://i.redd.it/hd7ub886l1411.png)

Here's the current stage list.
As for unconfirmed ones I'm hoping come back, I'm holding out for Paper Mario's return (especially if they don't add a new stage for the series focusing on mainly the first 3). I'm also hoping we get Rainbow Road remastered. MK7's Rainbow Road is one of the best Rainbow Road designs, and even though it made sense to have it in Smash 3DS, Rainbow Road is just something I want on console. Fountain of Dreams, Rainbow Cruise and Yoshi's Island Melee are classics and it would be a shame if they're gone. I also hope Mario Bros. comes back. I know a lot of folks hated it, but I absolutely had so much fun throwing the enemies at opponents and seeing how hard they hit.

Also, I can't believe Pac-Land is confirmed while Pac-Maze isn't. It should be the other way around tbh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Harukkah Amami on June 15, 2018, 06:20:58 AM
Guys... is there normally a red hammer item in another Smash Bros or in Bowser Jr's moveset?

Because... I think I saw the Eekhammer from Sticker Star with Bowser Jr. in his individual trailer. It even behaves the same, repetitive but seemingly weak hits.
Kinda late, but the Eekhammer has always been Jr.'s pummel.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: winstein on June 15, 2018, 09:18:54 AM
Something I wonder: if Waluigi were to be playable, who would be the character that will be seen as a "missed playable opportunity"? For the moment disappointment for Waluigi is huge so he's viewed as the most logical inclusion that isn't included (as we know for now).

The one to fill that vacuum is tricky mainly because some potential newcomers are not seen so we don't know of their status so Captain Toad, King K. Rool or even Shovel Knight are still up in the air. That leaves us with Bomberman, who while I think is in an OK position for now, I can feel that some people are disappointed about. I am going to be naive and say that nobody is next in line for character disappointment (it's certainly how I felt anyway).

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 15, 2018, 11:02:02 AM
I will say, King K. Rool not making it into this game would be incredibly disappointing. I can't be too upset with every past character and Ridley, but the theme of this game seems to be fan service, and King K. Rool is probably the most demanded character worldwide. After Sakurai said that Ridley got in partially due to fan demand in the west, he was to be aware of how wanted K. Rool is worldwide. He's one of the last remaining major Nintendo characters yet to make it in, and with this likely being the last Sakurai led game before a reboot, it seems like now or never for him.

I think we're getting five more new characters not including echoes.

1. King K. Rool
2. Simon Belmont (that leak is looking pretty accurate)
3. Bandanna Dee
4. Ashley
5. One other. Maybe Captain Toad or a pokemon?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 15, 2018, 02:08:01 PM
Rayman got a freaking trophy in Smash 4 and Rayman fans thought it was some teaser and turns out it's not, and there was even a great fake that didn't do anything better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 15, 2018, 02:38:31 PM
Then again, most likely not all newcomers have been revealed, so there still is a faint spark of hope I guess.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 15, 2018, 02:48:10 PM
Here's my full prediction.

(https://i.imgur.com/QhAb6Tq.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on June 15, 2018, 02:50:01 PM
I'd barely expect one more newcomer let alone 5.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 15, 2018, 02:53:50 PM
But you know, suddenly that makes it 1000 times better for me, even without Waluigi.

Man sure hope the roster in the end comes as close as your prediction as possible. Not that it isn't great already, but hey, why not?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on June 15, 2018, 02:54:51 PM
I expect one or two more First-Party Newcomers (Toad and Bandanna Dee?), and a Third-Party Newcomer (most likely to be Rayman). We could get more, but I'm not counting on it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 15, 2018, 02:59:05 PM
I'll admit, it's an optimistic roster (well not the most optimistic, as I would put Impa as an echo over Shadow but I feel like he's inevitable). Just a prediction. I'm already satisfied with what we have.

Rex just screams DLC to me if we get it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: MnSG on June 15, 2018, 03:35:48 PM
A few days ago, I did up my own post-E3 speculation roster.

(https://smashboards.com/attachments/super-smash-bros-ultimate-speculation-roster-png.148307/)

Confirmed characters are sorted by series, followed by their number value from the Super Smash Bros. website. The Mii Fighters are positioned at the very last slot, due to their unique customization features. Fighters with a magenta border are the echo fighters, and they're placed next to the fighter whom they're mimicking.

If you're wondering about Gardevoir, at this time, there's no evidence of it being a Poke Ball Pokemon.

Roster total adds up to 75; Pokemon Trainer counts as 3 fighters, while the Mii Fighters use a single roster slot.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 15, 2018, 07:09:03 PM
(https://i.redd.it/0qno5ccds6411.jpg)

This is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 15, 2018, 07:23:13 PM
Screw it, they should just go the Koopaling route or something, where every "color" is an existing trainer :)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on June 15, 2018, 07:24:46 PM
that would actually make sense since all the trainers have similar proportions

unlike jr and morton
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 15, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
The Koopalings don't even need to be forced into Bowser Jr.'s skeleton in the first place. They could've adjusted the Jr. skeleton to better fit their build while retaining the animations (yes, that's possible but it needs more tweaking so since Jr. was a last-minute addition, there wasn't enough time to do this).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 15, 2018, 07:40:58 PM
That's true, but it could introduce some buffs and nerfs specific to a slot because of a different skeleton. Hitboxes are attached to bones and all, anyway.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 16, 2018, 03:39:39 AM
I hope All Star Mode gets a revision, it's going to be brutal with all these fighters and it stays mostly like it already is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 16, 2018, 01:44:56 PM
Unlocking all trophies is going to be a huge pain in the ass.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 16, 2018, 02:16:41 PM
Unlocking all trophies is going to be a huge pain in the ass.
My body is ready.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pheromosa on June 16, 2018, 03:07:36 PM
Not to mention those challenges labeled "beat X mode with every character"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on June 16, 2018, 03:13:30 PM
(https://imgtc.com/i/CTZnRB9.png)

Mr Saturn confirmed?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 16, 2018, 04:00:39 PM
Unlocking all trophies is going to be a huge pain in the ass.
My body is ready.
The ass cries out in pain.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on June 16, 2018, 10:49:49 PM
Xander Mobus will be the announcer again from what I heard at GameFAQs, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on June 16, 2018, 10:57:16 PM
Xander Mobus will be the announcer again from what I heard at GameFAQs, but I doubt it.

He confirmed it on Twitter (https://twitter.com/XanderMobusVO/status/1006652458104307714), and you can hear his voice in the E3 demo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 16, 2018, 11:05:37 PM
i think he just needed to say some new lines for characters because they are reusing his smash 4 voice clips for everything else-
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on June 17, 2018, 11:22:36 AM
I already heard Xander Mobus saying "Inkling" and "Ice Climbers", so he's recording new lines.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: That_Yellow_Mushroom on June 17, 2018, 06:42:34 PM
I just don't understand how they have Link in his new BOTW outfit, but they still have yet to put Ganondorf in his Hyrule Warriors look  >:(
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: MnSG on June 17, 2018, 11:15:00 PM
I just don't understand how they have Link in his new BOTW outfit, but they still have yet to put Ganondorf in his Hyrule Warriors look  >:(

I think it's because Ganondorf's Hyrule Warriors incarnation is not canon to the Zelda timeline. And when you think about, his Ocarina of Time incarnation is too bad*** to neglect.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 18, 2018, 02:48:26 AM
It seems the Smash website doesn't update on weekends as usual, nothing for the past two days on the Smash blog.
But boy, getting daily Smash updates is really gonna perk me up, something to look forward to every week? Heck yeah
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 18, 2018, 03:26:03 AM
I just don't understand how they have Link in his new BOTW outfit, but they still have yet to put Ganondorf in his Hyrule Warriors look  >:(

Speaking of which, have you notices how now each Link comes from a different timeline? (That is if we believe that BotW is in the downfall timeline)

Toon Link comes from the adult timeline and Young Link is from the child timeline.

Kinda cool when you think about now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on June 18, 2018, 07:33:18 AM
I just don't understand how they have Link in his new BOTW outfit, but they still have yet to put Ganondorf in his Hyrule Warriors look  >:(

Speaking of which, have you notices how now each Link comes from a different timeline? (That is if we believe that BotW is in the downfall timeline)

Toon Link comes from the adult timeline and Young Link is from the child timeline.

Kinda cool when you think about now.
Awesome.

We got:
Link (BotW)
Toon Link (TWW)
Young Link (OoT / MM)
Zelda (ALttP / ALBW)
Ganondorf (OoT)
Sheik (OoT, outfit based from BotW)

plus
Midna (TP)
Ghirahim (SS)
Tingle (MM)

A Zelda crossover, inside a multi-game crossover.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on June 18, 2018, 11:36:57 AM
I wonder why they chose ALBW Zelda over BOTW Zelda. I think the thing about BOTW Zelda preferring research over fighting is more of a sort of in-universe reason and not the real reason. My guess is that it was because she wouldn't fit the traditional Zelda moveset very well, especially because she doesn't have a traditional outfit in that game. I couldn't really picture it working anyway.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 18, 2018, 11:52:16 AM
Sakurai also mentioned that throwing out the unified design for the Zelda characters let him choose what he preffered.

Basically he likes ALBW Zelda the most and went with her. I think this decision was for the best, as it also gave us OoT Ganon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on June 18, 2018, 01:21:11 PM
You can look at the Zelda representation like this:

Link - Breath of the Wild
Zelda - A Link Between Worlds/A Link To The Past
Ganondorf & Sheik - Ocarina of Time
Young Link - Majora's Mask (Even if Young Link is also still OoT too)
Toon Link - Wind Waker (And other games that used the Wind Waker style like Spirit Tracks)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 18, 2018, 01:48:21 PM
Why not just go through the Hyrule Warriors route and give characters their other incarnations? I know that's work but think of the fans!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on June 18, 2018, 01:53:38 PM
Honestly, I'm fine with representing several games as well. I'm definitely glad they finally ditched the TP designs. This is the best playable character representation the Zelda series could have short of actually adding a newcomer.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 18, 2018, 01:59:20 PM
I want Tingle
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 18, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
I would not be shocked if we get DLC costumes for this game. Other incarnations for the Zelda cast, old school looks for the Star Fox trio, Dry Bowser,  etc.

I want Tingle
This woman speaks the truth.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gellert Grindelwald on June 18, 2018, 02:33:05 PM
I want Tingle
yes yes oh god yes a thousand times yes
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 18, 2018, 02:37:56 PM
Could you imagine all the delicious salt if Tingle got in with such a limited amount of newcomers?

Bring on the Tingle, please. He's the only recurring important Zelda character besides Impa not in and he even has his own sub series of games. That's more than you can say for a lot of other potential characters. And not to be a conspiracy theorist, but we haven't seen his assist trophy yet and we haven't seen him on Great Bay yet either. Not that appearing on a stage hindered Toon Link from getting in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gellert Grindelwald on June 18, 2018, 03:28:04 PM
the part that pisses me off most is that we have three links and no waluigis
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 18, 2018, 04:37:27 PM
We have Wario and Luigi, that's pretty close.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 18, 2018, 04:53:44 PM
You know there might be an explanation as to why they didn't include Waluigi, other than the lame "they don't about him" excuse.

Since the team's priority was get back every single Smash Bros fighter in Smash history, they don't have time for many newcomers. Take a look at the ones they DID put in.

Inklings: Splatoon has become one of Nintendo's biggest IPs so they HAD to include the Inklings.
Daisy: Since she's an echo fighter, she's not too hard to make.
Ridley: The most demanded character for Smash, which is why they brought him.

Based on that, maybe Waluigi would have made it in if not "Everybody is here!" Makes a lot of sense to me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on June 18, 2018, 05:06:07 PM
There's also this theory, even though it's probably just gonna raise people's hopes and then not happen:

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 18, 2018, 05:11:46 PM
Pretty sure Alpha is just memeing, but on the off chance that he isn't.

Dear Waluigi fans,

As someone who convinced themselves that the shadow of Ridley on Pyrosphere meant he was gonna be playable, just accept that he's not happening. Maybe in a future game, but as of right now the Waluigi dream is dead and people should move on.

Sincerely,
A Ridley fan who endured all of Smash 4 pre-release.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 18, 2018, 06:40:33 PM
Yes, at least it's nipped in the bud right now, unlike what happened to Lucas and Rayman.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 18, 2018, 07:01:26 PM
Announcing all the past veterans at the start was a great move and saves us the agonizing wait of finding out if our favorite veterans were cut or not. Of course we now see that wasn't gonna be an issue, but still.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 18, 2018, 08:08:13 PM
Beats my idea of wanting devs just announce which vet is cut. But seriously, if they want to cut anyone, they better let people know from the get go. No point in keeping a bad surprise. Ice Climbers was a special case, though, but we were warned at least that the developers had trouble with them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on June 18, 2018, 08:14:14 PM
You know there might be an explanation as to why they didn't include Waluigi, other than the lame "they don't about him" excuse.

Since the team's priority was get back every single Smash Bros fighter in Smash history, they don't have time for many newcomers. Take a look at the ones they DID put in.

Inklings: Splatoon has become one of Nintendo's biggest IPs so they HAD to include the Inklings.
Daisy: Since she's an echo fighter, she's not too hard to make.
Ridley: The most demanded character for Smash, which is why they brought him.

Based on that, maybe Waluigi would have made it in if not "Everybody is here!" Makes a lot of sense to me.

Yeah if you really think about it, Waluigi not being in this Smash despite Daisy making it in is explainable for a few reasons.

Daisy did not take Waluigi's spot, she's an Echo Fighter just like Dark Pit and Lucina who didn't take much effort. Fans like Memoryman can gloat all they want. But Daisy is not a factor in anybody being left out.

With the return of so many veterans plus everybody in Smash 4 that is already ALOT of characters. And might not lead much room for too many newcomers at least base game wise. And as such they may want to be smarter for their picks then another Mario character mostly relegated to spin-offs. I love Waluigi too, but he was in the same boat as Daisy in terms of being stuck as spin-off fodder. And unless you go to the desperate route of making Waluigi an echo of Bayonetta, there isn't anybody to easy make Waluigi off of. He would have to be his own unique character. And there are still more important/iconic Mario characters left before they include a unique Waluigi into Smash. And that's not even putting into consideration space left for every single other franchise in the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 18, 2018, 08:18:46 PM
the desperate route of making Waluigi an echo of Bayonetta
I can't even imagine the fan reaction for that one aside from polarizing lol.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 18, 2018, 10:47:03 PM
Fans like Memoryman
*shudder*

making Waluigi an echo of Bayonetta
Please no that'd give me nightmares. :eekdance: It also makes no sense.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on June 18, 2018, 10:52:42 PM
I won't accept anything less than Waluigi being an echo of Rosalina.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on June 18, 2018, 11:35:03 PM
That would be interesting if it wasn't for Luma.

Rosalina is not alone in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 18, 2018, 11:53:09 PM
That doesn't make enough sense to buy something at the dollar store.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 19, 2018, 12:32:10 AM
That doesn't make enough sense to buy something at the dollar store.
Hahaha, very funny.  But it's true: Rosalina and Luma are in it together, and Waluigi doesn't have anyone like Luma to base his moveset off of.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 19, 2018, 01:01:19 AM
Luma is replaced with a floating Waluigi head.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 19, 2018, 01:08:26 AM
Complete with nasal vocal features.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 19, 2018, 03:09:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ABpjYwG.png)
So, this is interesting, Young Link already has an amiibo, however using it with Smash 4 will give your data to the default Link in the game, wonder if this will carry over or it will create new data?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 19, 2018, 03:40:57 AM
Of course.

Young Link wasn't in Smash 4, but he is in Ultimate. So obviously they gotta do something with him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 19, 2018, 04:31:38 AM
https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1008987787435995136 (https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1008987787435995136)
Today, we go into detail about the Black Hole item, also...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgCl0j2UYAAkgpk.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgClYy1U8AEtduf.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on June 19, 2018, 07:59:58 AM
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/img/29_3_1.jpg)

what stage is this supposed to be
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Kyoka Jiro on June 19, 2018, 09:04:56 AM
my imaginary money is on final destination
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 19, 2018, 09:32:17 AM
Whatever that stage is, it looks sick.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gellert Grindelwald on June 19, 2018, 09:34:38 AM
my imaginary money is on final destination
is that the stage where everything suddenly falls apart and kills our heroes in the most gruesome and unlikely ways possible?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 19, 2018, 09:49:14 AM
(https://i.redd.it/s36nz91e7x411.jpg)

Yep, the changing background tells me this is definitely Final Destination.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 19, 2018, 12:52:00 PM
Now, I'm sure this doesn't apply to anyone on this forum, at least to anyone with an ounce of maturity, but a ton of people of Twitter have been sending highly inappropriate messages and images to Sakurai over Waluigi not being playable. Sakurai has been blocking these people left and right.

I get there is that subset of people who legitimately want Waluigi, but this kind of *bleep* makes the entire character's fanbase look bad. Again, I feel like most people on this site are mature enough not to be doing this, but on the off chance any on here is, just stop and get a life. Harassing such a hard working man because your *bleep*ing purple plumber didn't get in is just sad, pathetic, and gross.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on June 19, 2018, 12:58:12 PM
I saw tweets talking about this. It's never OK to harass someone and I'm ashamed that my fellow Waluigi fans are stooping that low. This isn't increasing his chances of being added, probably quite the opposite.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 19, 2018, 01:06:56 PM
Ugh, now Waluigi doesn't have a chance.  Sakurai's trying hard to make this, people don't have to push him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gellert Grindelwald on June 19, 2018, 02:06:25 PM
Now, I'm sure this doesn't apply to anyone on this forum, at least to anyone with an ounce of maturity, but a ton of people of Twitter have been sending highly inappropriate messages and images to Sakurai over Waluigi not being playable. Sakurai has been blocking these people left and right.

I get there is that subset of people who legitimately want Waluigi, but this kind of *bleep* makes the entire character's fanbase look bad. Again, I feel like most people on this site are mature enough not to be doing this, but on the off chance any on here is, just stop and get a life. Harassing such a hard working man because your *bleep*ing purple plumber didn't get in is just sad, pathetic, and gross.
i obviously don't like the fact that waluigi's not in the game, but these people are next level *bleep*heads, harassing someone with only the best intentions is just wrong

i mean harassing anyone regardless of their intentions is wrong, my point is that saks probs had the best intentions and didn't know not including waluigi would cause a *bleep*storm, so i don't understand why harassing him is going to change anything

hate the game, not the players. Err-the creators. don-don't hate the creators is what i-i'm saying, just be nice, assert your disappointment not through petty squabbles but through the DECLINE OF SALES, CEASE FROM PURCHASING THIS ENTERTAINMENT DEVICE IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE PRODUCT'S CONTENTS, AND PARTAKE IN A CHALLENGE TO DUEL WITH YOURS TRULY ON THE BATTLEFIELD AT NOON ON THE TWELFTH MY ABHORRENT ADVERSARY

srsly tho these guys worked hard, don't be dicks to sakurai, just don't buy the game if you're not satisfied
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 19, 2018, 02:44:34 PM
Welcome to my world in the Daisy fandom :-X

And the thing is, these fans were always like this, but they just got conveniently ignored and downplayed by the rest. Not to sound bitter, but I'm glad this behavior is coming to light so we can deal with the hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 19, 2018, 03:06:26 PM
my imaginary money is on final destination
is that the stage where everything suddenly falls apart and kills our heroes in the most gruesome and unlikely ways possible?

Which means that's perfect for 8-player smash.

Now, I'm sure this doesn't apply to anyone on this forum, at least to anyone with an ounce of maturity, but a ton of people of Twitter have been sending highly inappropriate messages and images to Sakurai over Waluigi not being playable. Sakurai has been blocking these people left and right.

I get there is that subset of people who legitimately want Waluigi, but this kind of *bleep* makes the entire character's fanbase look bad. Again, I feel like most people on this site are mature enough not to be doing this, but on the off chance any on here is, just stop and get a life. Harassing such a hard working man because your *bleep*ing purple plumber didn't get in is just sad, pathetic, and gross.

I have a special place in hell for those types of people who would harass and cyber-bully another person because their spin-off fodder worthless fictional character who can't make an appearance in mainstream Mario games doesn't appear playable in Super Smash Bros.

You know, when I get snubbed of Baby Luigi, which happens in many games like Mario Tennis Open, I don't go around harassing people like some asstwat *bleep*face like these people are. I just cry in a corner, chug lots of ice cream, write bad poetry, and eventually mod him in the game if I could.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: 09: Luigi on June 19, 2018, 03:11:47 PM
Where did all this waluigi craze come from anyway? It might just be me but I don't recall seeing much people wanting waluigi in the smash ballot or smash in general but now he's something to be talked about? I wonder what happened (Like I said in another post I am also sad that he's not in but there's other characters too people should know) Plus it's really annoying going on the youtube comments of SSBU vids that always want waluigi to be in even if it is irrelevant to the video... :/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 19, 2018, 03:18:33 PM
All over a digitized plaything. smh

Where did all this waluigi craze come from anyway? It might just be me but I don't recall seeing much people wanting waluigi in the smash ballot or smash in general but now he's something to be talked about? I wonder what happened (Like I said in another post I am also sad that he's not in but there's other characters too people should know) Plus it's really annoying going on the youtube comments of SSBU vids that always want waluigi to be in even if it is irrelevant to the video... :/
I think it's years worth of culmination of Waluigi not really appearing in anything beyond sports and party. Brawl in the Family may have popularized Waluigi though I'm sure other venues exist, and there are these one-off incidents like on Twitter's ban policy (where they used Waluigi as an example user), WiggerWednesday (where Waluigi is involved), the popularity of Waluigi Pinball, and WaPo apparently validating the Waluigi fanbase's feelings. Mario Kart 7 probably has contributed to the build up as well, where Waluigi's absent. But there was not that much drama over that, though salty Waluigi fanboys attacked the scapegoats being Metal Mario and H. Queen so not dissimilar to Daisy fanboys scapegoating.

But y'all who say the Daisy fanbase is the worst, I think we have a new worst one.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 19, 2018, 03:40:02 PM
There have always been memoryman-esque Waluigi fans. People just didn't acknowledge their existence or toxicity.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 19, 2018, 03:46:21 PM
Eh, on the internet, any large fanbase will grow a bunch of bad apples.

And then you have inedible half-decomposed rotten ones, which are the ones that represent the people who harass anyone else with anything, including the Waluigi fans who harass Sakurai with completely tasteless jokes (no pun intended).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on June 19, 2018, 04:24:05 PM
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/081/362/52e.png)

ffs

This game has everyone in it.  It has over 80 stages and even more if you count the Battlefield and Omega forms.  New mechanics.  New items.  An immense soundtrack.  Pretty much everything a fan of this series could want.  It's the Ultimate Smash game.

But no, let's harass the man who made it all possible because our meme character didn't make the cut.  Don't buy it if it pisses you off that much.

Hell, I'm more bummed about Bomberman.  But it's not worth losing sleep over or attacking the man about it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gellert Grindelwald on June 19, 2018, 04:43:13 PM
the worst part about all of this is that it might not have entirely been his decision to make

there was probably a whole group of people thinking about who to put in and who didn't make the cut and *bleep*, yet he's getting blamed because he's the brain child of smash

waluigi was created by some peep called Fumihide Aoki who may or may not hold the rights to waluigi, maybe they couldn't get their permission

maybe miyamoto had something against it? maybe it was *bleep*in' reggie? who *bleep*ing knows, and who *bleep*ing cares

they have no way of telling whether it was entirely sak's decision not to include the character, if it was him at all, they're just piling on him with no more information other than he masterminded the game
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 19, 2018, 04:50:35 PM
It certainly wasn't his decision to make. It is certainly a decision made by a group of people who discussed at length about the roster and they came to an agreement. I'm not sure how character creator rights fall into here, but I don't think I've ever seen overly protective behavior of Waluigi, at least not on the same degree as how the Pokemon Company are with their precious pocket mutants. I think the developers decided he's just not important or interesting enough as well as not easily fitting over other characters, and it's easier to just recycle him as an Assist Trophy, so that's what they did. Maybe they have second thoughts, but they, shrugging, thought it had to be done.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 19, 2018, 04:52:01 PM
This game has everyone in it.  It has over 80 stages and even more if you count the Battlefield and Omega forms.  New mechanics.  New items.  An immense soundtrack.  Pretty much everything a fan of this series could want.  It's the Ultimate Smash game.

mods tho
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: MnSG on June 19, 2018, 05:58:35 PM
Does anyone else feel sad that the transformation Final Smash are losing their playable status? I can probably understand why this change has been made though, since some of the transformations can be considered too powerful to have roaming around for more than 10 seconds.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 19, 2018, 06:37:20 PM
I just acted like an idiot on Nathaniel Bandy's discord channel.

Waluigi fans were saying "Literally no one wanted Daisy in Smash."

So I chimed in. "I did. So did every other Daisy fan."

Their reply? "Yeah, all three of you."

I didn't like that. I got in an argument and got worked up. I need to go outside. :-[
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 19, 2018, 06:46:21 PM
They need to stop burning their bridges if they want to look good in comparison to the rabid Daisy fans.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 19, 2018, 06:48:41 PM
Classic goalpost moving. If their statement gets negated, they suddenly mean "oh no we meant *higher bar to clear*"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 19, 2018, 06:49:26 PM
The problem is, I think I tapped in to my inner memoryman3 for that argument... it wasn't pretty.

I actually swore. I never swear unless I'm really really REALLY upset.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 19, 2018, 06:54:25 PM
Video game characters. All over that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 19, 2018, 08:11:28 PM
I was more upset over their blatant disrespect of the Daisy fans (actual people) and their blatant hypocrisy, which they also denied.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Roller on June 19, 2018, 08:49:53 PM
I understand if people really care about a game or whatever--people can spend their energy getting excited or disappointed about whatever they like. The thing is, that shouldn't give them the right to flame people online over this *bleep*. Sakurai is a pretty young guy and he and his team really tried to give people something every fan could enjoy. Yeah, no Waluigi is a bit of a goofy meme and we can joke about it. But it helps literally no one when people get *bleep*in insane about it online. Not only does it discourage him from feeding the rabid Waluigi fans, but it also discourages him from making the *bleep*in game at all.

If you are one of the people pulling this *bleep*, just calm your tits for a moment and think about how this has literally 0 effect on your life. Go get a Red Robin burger and be happy with what you got.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 19, 2018, 09:20:32 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html)
A new song has been added to the site, Bomb Rush Blush from Splatoon, hooray for love for Callie!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 19, 2018, 09:30:29 PM
Yeah, no Waluigi is a bit of a goofy meme and we can joke about it.
Funny, this was one of the things that made one of them the most pissy. He didn't like when people said Waluigi is a meme.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on June 19, 2018, 09:34:29 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html)
A new song has been added to the site, Bomb Rush Blush from Splatoon, hooray for love for Callie!

They actually got the main composer for Sonic on board, nice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 20, 2018, 12:05:02 AM
To dedicated Waluigi fans:
There is a reason Waluigi is not a main fighter in Smash Ultimate.  It's because he's too busy with other, more important things... like entering a moonwalking contest.  He only had enough time to be the rarest Assist Fighter in the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 20, 2018, 12:09:43 AM
Seriously, what we have is already waaay plenty. Also, I don't know, but Waluigi at least APPEARS in the game, could've been worse. Could've been scrapped as an assist trophy and not appear at all.

Never knew there existed this kind of people among Waluigi fans. It's like they're rising from the dead or something. These guys are absolute douches. It's like asking someone for money after you've stole it all. Which is what bullies do.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on June 20, 2018, 12:15:05 PM
So Source Gaming is in the process of translating a column on Smash Ultimate from Sakurai.

There's already an interesting tidbit

The Project plan was finished in December 2015 (https://twitter.com/AllSourceGaming/status/1009455106637656064)

That's a decent amount earlier then most were predicting. It doesn't bode well for the base game chances of characters like Rex & Pyra or Spring Man for characters that are currently rising stars on the Switch. They may have to be DLC.

If there's a 2nd Xenoblade rep in the base game, it will probably be Elma from Chronicles X. Also a Gen 7 Pokemon newcomer will have to pull off a Greninja (Getting in just by concepts sent to Sakurai)

The place where the project plan was finalized also is good timing when it comes to Ballot characters. So characters that were high on the ballot should have great chances.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 20, 2018, 12:46:35 PM
So it's 2015 and not 2016 like a lot of people predicted. Interesting. This helps some characters like Elma, but I'm pretty sure this kills Rex and Pyra's chances before DLC. Gen VII is still up in the air. Decidueye was the favorite, but then Lycanroc looked a lot more possible because of his huge role in the anime, but now it might be too early for that. This'll be very interesting. We may not even get a gen vii pokemon. We may not get any pokemon till DLC which might be a gen viii rep.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 20, 2018, 01:43:57 PM
Also, these videos go over changes to past characters that weren't highlighted in the direct.


Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 20, 2018, 06:59:52 PM
>major Mario nerfs to d-tilt and u-tilt and d-throw while Mario's nemeses outside from Cloud gets no nerfs

(https://i.imgur.com/0rqQWlY.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on June 20, 2018, 10:00:14 PM
The Project plan was finished in December 2015 (https://twitter.com/AllSourceGaming/status/1009455106637656064)
I'm shocked
that was a lie

Any recent game reps were going to be DLC at best anyway, there was already translated stuff from smash 4 about what stage in development the roster is decided with exceptions being rare (Roy/Greninja). I wouldn't even bet on a second xenoblade rep for this game until potential DLC, they have the data from the ballot to see who is really wanted and with limited time for new characters they'll have to make them count.

I do love seeing people moving goalposts to keep their favourite choices in the running to be added despite a date being confirmed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 21, 2018, 12:51:45 AM
So, regarding Hyrule Warriors, it's a third party game with first party based characters and Koei so far isn't involved in any way, this will also keep out Fire Emblem Warriors characters and possibly Tokyo Mirage Sessions(Thought since Sega owns Atlus now, this a bit more possible) and is probably the reason why Pokemon Mystery Dungeon doesn't have anything in Smash games, copyright is a weird thing

This is the same thing that prevents Geno from regularly showing up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 21, 2018, 01:12:54 AM
You know, honestly, Geno as assist trophy would be pretty sick actually. Could be a step in bringing him into the series, but he's not that much of a top priority if you know what I’m saying.

But dang this game actually got me interested in Smash thanks to that trailer. Before, I was like "Oh Smash, that thing where various characters fight each other, yeah...". Well not anymore.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 21, 2018, 02:09:35 PM
and is probably the reason why Pokemon Mystery Dungeon doesn't have anything in Smash games
I thought it was Chunsoft property. But I do find it weird that Mystery Dungeon soundtrack isn't there. There's some good stuff they had.

But dang this game actually got me interested in Smash thanks to that trailer. Before, I was like "Oh Smash, that thing where various characters fight each other, yeah...". Well not anymore.
it's still a thing where various characters kick the crap out of each other and earn SD penalties for killing their friends :)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 21, 2018, 02:19:48 PM
I've always liked the idea of Grovyle being added as a PMD rep, as well as throwing gen III fans a bone. He's not really relevant anymore but I still feel like he would be fun.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on June 22, 2018, 03:05:26 AM
I know that two Smash Amiibos will be released alongside the game, Ridley and Inkling Amiibos. Can't wait until they release one based off of Snake.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gellert Grindelwald on June 22, 2018, 05:44:49 AM
I've always liked the idea of Grovyle being added as a PMD rep, as well as throwing gen III fans a bone. He's not really relevant anymore but I still feel like he would be fun.
I've always said that if the was a MCU-esque Smash Brothers universe, the best video game adaption of Pokemon would be Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky, at least set somewhere in that universe

Those games were amazing and don't get nearly enough love from Nintendo. The storyline was fantastic, you could connect and identify with all the characters, heck even the scenery was amazing.

I also have ideas for how Red/Blue Rescue team could the in as a prequel series but this isn't the place to discuss that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 22, 2018, 11:07:19 AM
Just looking at trailers sometimes it's hard to spot the visual updates from Smash 4, but when you look at side by side screenshots...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgJvyFdXUAQnPzK.jpg:large)

It really does look so much better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on June 22, 2018, 11:28:01 AM
No, I think the Smash 4 version looks better.  It looks more vivid in Smash 4, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 22, 2018, 11:50:38 AM
Ultimate on a whole has a more subdued color scheme, I don't personally mind it. Though I did like how vibrant Smash 4 was.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 22, 2018, 02:04:45 PM
Eh, better graphic capabilities, more details...

Better look 8)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 22, 2018, 02:08:24 PM
Oh yeah the Smash Ultimate one looks better. I like more details on the grass, and the shadows are simply much better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 22, 2018, 02:10:31 PM
And we all know that Smash is aiming for the more "realistic designs" so I guess they're doing their job fine?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 22, 2018, 02:12:04 PM
I'm betting the only thing they changed was how the environments are rendered (e.g. lighting rather than actual major model changes aside from the addition of new props), but those textures surely are changed too. The grass being higher-res and have the checkerboard detail as well as additional small things like flowers and changed the tire stacks (both look like they're taken from Mario Kart 8 ) and generally not like a sea of bright green as well as the more realistic clouds help. There is also the addition of striped hills to make the landscape more interesting.

When I mean by "lighting", just check the character's shadows, but also check out the tree shadows. In Smash 4, the flowers and trees don't even look like they exist on the plane, like a Photoshop paste.

They also changed from CircuitMario to MarioKart for whatever reason.

The grass and shadows themselves, though, are alone to make Smash 5's look better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 22, 2018, 02:13:55 PM
And we all know that Smash is aiming for the more "realistic designs" so I guess they're doing their job fine?

Realistic is usually better looking, hence why games like Super Mario Odyssey and Mario Kart 8 look as they do now, as they clearly used realistic environments as inspiration to get better graphics.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 22, 2018, 02:18:21 PM
Unless you're being deliberately stylized (like cell shading like in Breath of the Wild) then it's generally better to aim for realistic lighting and detailed textures. The only issue with realism is just how expensive it is related to polycount, texture detail, and effort it takes to simulate realistic lighting, so you sometimes have to sacrifice that for performance.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: MnSG on June 22, 2018, 03:53:58 PM
And we all know that Smash is aiming for the more "realistic designs" so I guess they're doing their job fine?

Last I've checked, Smash Ultimate follows a more cartoonish type of art style, much like with Smash 3DS / Wii U.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on June 23, 2018, 10:40:18 PM
I like that Ultimate has Link's design Breath of The Wild, Zelda no longer being in her design from Brawl that was carried over to Smash 4, and Gannondorf having his Orcarina of Time design which we haven't seen since Melee, but with updated graphics.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 24, 2018, 12:36:28 AM
Link logically had to have his Breat of the Wild design because of the game's popularity. Ganon was't really Gerudo Ganondorf in Breath of the Wild, so they shoved in OoT Ganondorf, and Zelda was more of a researched in BotW so they added in ALBW Zelda, which is a good thing except for those who wanted to see the booty

Now that you think of it, all these cool designs we got were pretty much by coincidence. Holy crap did it work out well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 24, 2018, 08:12:12 AM
Sakurai basically stated he just chose the designs he liked the best because he wasn't restricted to having the Zelda cast in one style his time.

The lack of one coherent design gives me hope for Skyward Sword Impa as a Sheik echo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 24, 2018, 10:14:18 PM
So, I guess updates have no set schedule, they posted about Corrin today and we got nothing on last Friday
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 25, 2018, 03:23:46 PM
So how do people feel about DK's new look, it might be unfinished but it seems like they're ditching the more realistic fur.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I will say that they definitely tweaked his face to be more in line with modern DK.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 25, 2018, 03:30:06 PM
Still looks good though. It's nothing pale in comparison with Smash 4 (even though I am the one who earlier stated that realism was a key factor in making the game look good).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Meta Knight on June 26, 2018, 01:57:10 PM
I like the fur more in smash 4, but i really like how expressive dk is in ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 26, 2018, 02:50:15 PM
I don't like the newer DK design. It looks like he has brittle cardboard for fur. Smash 4 looks better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on June 26, 2018, 06:41:40 PM
Also another thing, DK doesn't have the reworked nose.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 26, 2018, 06:43:48 PM
I wonder if the Star KO has been tweaked from the last game. I think that’s more important to talk about than “Wahhh I want Waluigi!”
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 26, 2018, 06:52:21 PM
Star KOs are still the same "lol random" of last game, but they're more frequent because I think they're no longer dependent of the speed the opponent was launched. Also, Screen KOs now last shorter; they used to outlast Star KOs surprisingly.

I don't understand why they just don't count Star KOs RIGHT when the opponent reaches past the blast line than right when they vanish. I also will never understand why they just arbitrarily made ceiling KOs sometimes be blast KOs.

Finally I will never understand why they removed the Star KO yelling when losing all health in Stamina mode nor how they removed Freezie Star KOs (and how in Brawl, they just reverted tiny and giant characters to normal size).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 26, 2018, 06:55:47 PM
Star KOs are still the same "lol random" of last game, but they're more frequent because I think they're no longer dependent of the speed the opponent was launched. Also, Screen KOs now last shorter; they used to outlast Star KOs surprisingly.

I don't understand why they just don't count Star KOs RIGHT when the opponent reaches past the blast line than right when they vanish. I also will never understand why they just arbitrarily made ceiling KOs sometimes be blast KOs.

Finally I will never understand why they removed the Star KO yelling when losing all health in Stamina mode nor how they removed Freezie Star KOs (and how in Brawl, they just reverted tiny and giant characters to normal size).
That’s bull*bleep*. I always love the star and screen ko more than the typical ko. I can’t believe they would change it and make it rare.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 26, 2018, 07:35:06 PM
https://twitter.com/allsourcegaming/status/1011735373674840064?s=21

Not all stages are gonna return.

That's a sad thing, but a lot of my favorites have already returned. I do feel disappointment coming from whatever doesn't return, however.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 26, 2018, 07:40:54 PM
https://twitter.com/allsourcegaming/status/1011735373674840064?s=21

Not all stages are gonna return.

That's a sad thing, but a lot of my favorites have already returned. I do feel disappointment coming from whatever doesn't return, however.

I would only hope they’d bring back Venom, Planet Zebes, And Sector Z.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on June 26, 2018, 07:41:28 PM
I'm really hoping for Mute City from Melee.  I know Port Town is more or less the same thing but it's no cigar.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 26, 2018, 07:43:56 PM
I would also love Fountain of Dreams to come back too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Grima on June 26, 2018, 07:45:23 PM
im wholly convinced poke floats will not return

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 26, 2018, 07:49:13 PM
My (unlikely) hope is that this just means duplicates like the old Flat Zones and one of the Pictochats, and probably Miiverse.

As long as Fountain and Poke Floats make it back, I'm good. I could live without stuff like Rumble Falls and Mario Bros.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Meta Knight on June 26, 2018, 07:57:54 PM
I feel like if they do bring Poke Floats back, they'll replace a lot of the Pokemon or just give us a new version of it since there's more than just Gold/Silver this time, and in turn a lot more Pokemon. I'm curious to see what they'll do since it was a pretty fun stage due to how unique it was.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 26, 2018, 08:17:42 PM
I hope Onett returns so my brother and I can renew our old favorite pastime from Melee, that we like to call "Pichus Getting Hit by Cars." We just take four level-9 CPUs, make all four Pichus, and pit them against each other on Onett.

Maybe even with eight Pichus this time!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 26, 2018, 08:22:55 PM
I hope Onett returns so my brother and I can renew our old favorite pastime from Melee, that we like to call "Pichus Getting Hit by Cars." We just take four level-9 CPUs, make all four Pichus, and pit them against each other on Onett.

Maybe even with eight Pichus this time!
They did bring Onett back. (As well as Fourside. YES!)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 26, 2018, 08:30:25 PM
I could live without stuff like Rumble Falls and Mario Bros.
I need Rumble Falls 8 player Smash.

The only thing that needs to be gone are those thorns, or at least they're weaker.

That’s bull*bleep*. I always love the star and screen ko more than the typical ko. I can’t believe they would change it and make it rare.
ikr

and you know, Star KOs don't happen at all in some stages, which, again, is a pretty dumb change
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on June 26, 2018, 09:03:04 PM
Oh boy. I'm anxious about the Paper Mario stage now. It's all good if we get a new PM stage but if not, the old one needs to come back.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on June 26, 2018, 09:06:52 PM
https://twitter.com/theSirToasty/status/1006943013640261632 (https://twitter.com/theSirToasty/status/1006943013640261632)
https://youtu.be/8dkbBYO0Wts?t=20m35s (https://youtu.be/8dkbBYO0Wts?t=20m35s)

Pit actually screams "I never learned how to read" like in Uprising for his star KO and it's great
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 26, 2018, 09:07:58 PM
Wait a minute...If there’s a Paper Mario STAGE....... *fingers crossed* come on come on come oooonnnn!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on June 26, 2018, 09:08:55 PM
there's a paper mario stage on the 3ds
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 26, 2018, 09:09:59 PM
Pit actually screams "I never learned how to read" like in Uprising for his star KO and it's great
Good, we need good Star KO noises. Male Wii Fit Trainer's is A tier.

The new way they spin like that is great too. I wonder if Kirby, Ice Climbers, and Wario are also changed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on June 26, 2018, 09:26:46 PM
Noisy Notebook from Snipperclips has been added to the music selection.

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html)

Its lack of symbol likely means it won't get a stage so it's probably going to play on some random stage.

My favorite track is still Vega's theme.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 26, 2018, 09:36:26 PM
Noisy Notebook from Snipperclips has been added to the music selection.

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html)

Its lack of symbol likely means it won't get a stage so it's probably going to play on some random stage.

My favorite track is still Vega's theme.
Oh man rip the Snipperclips as playable characters.

My favorite track on the website is either the Breath of the Wild remix, or that amazing version of Brinstar Depths.

Wait a minute...If there’s a Paper Mario STAGE....... *fingers crossed* come on come on come oooonnnn!!
Nah man, Captain Toad first.

But in actuality, Sakurai seems hesitant to add spin off content from any series outisde of occasional music tracks. Aside from Mario Kart (the biggest spin off of all time), we almost never get Mario spin-off content. We never get Pokemon Ranger or Mystery Dungeon stuff either. Hyrule Warriors content remains to be seen but I doubt we'll get anything from that either. I just don't think Sakurai considers Paper Mario that important to represent. The fact that it even got a 3DS stage is a miracle which probably only came about because of Sticker Star.

Fun thought about the Mario series. Let's say for this insane hypothetical, Ultimate is a game that has along life span and is constantly updating and everything that follows builds off of it. Well Captain Toad is almost a certainty and let's say for the sake of argument he gets a Captain Toadette skin a la Olimar and Alph. Now, in this constantly updated platform, Waluigi would eventually be promoted and added. Now in the secanrio, most the of the major Mario cast. The core 8 from MK64, Daisy, Waluigi, Junior, Diddy, and Rosalina, plus Toadette. You know who the biggest Mario character after all those guys is?

Yep, it's Birdo. We're only two character additions away from Birdo getting added and that actually makes me happy. You could argue the Baby bros but I see them as Yoshi reps.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on June 26, 2018, 10:02:18 PM
I like all the music but that new Brinstar Depths version is probably the best track so far, it's great

as for stages I'm not too surprised. obviously I would have liked to see just about everything return (apart from maybe Miiverse/one PictoChat/the older Flat Zones), but there's a few others that I still have a feeling might not return. I have some favorites missing so hopefully there's still a pretty good amount to go
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 26, 2018, 10:07:07 PM
I hope they’ll make Classic Mode the way it has always been before Smash 4. Just simple fighting a random character mixed with break the targets, fighting Multi Men, and ending with the fight with Master Hand...Along with the return of Race to the Finish if that’s not too much to ask.. I do like the addition of trying to win a trophy, sticker, coins and custom moves after each fight, that’s a nice touch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 26, 2018, 11:01:06 PM

New song! It's from Snipperclips, judging by the generic music note, we aren't getting a stage or fighter.
But look at this way, this started as just two guy fun project, to think you would get in Smash in any form must be incredible.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 27, 2018, 01:58:42 PM
If they do return Mario Bros., I want the stage to wrap around like it does in Balloon Fight (would help improve maneuverability) and tone down the egregious caves of life in there by removing ceilings here and there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 27, 2018, 04:11:43 PM
So a fun thought and potential expansion of the meaning "Everyone is here". What if Sakurai chose to revisit some scrapped characters and concepts from past games. The biggest and most likely examples being Dixie Kong and a Rhythm Heaven character (likely the Chorus Men based on Gematsu). It would be cool if for this celebration of all things Smash, Sakurai chose to dig some old ideas that never saw the light of day.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 27, 2018, 04:13:49 PM
If this is his last Smash game, I can see that happening, to have Sakurai give his fullest potential into this game's roster (not that he hasn't already)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 27, 2018, 05:10:06 PM
I just realized. The characters returning from Melee will have new taunts.

My hype for obscure irrelevant stuff continues! :lol:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 27, 2018, 09:54:11 PM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/2eb4784484b23a604128a546e959b744/tumblr_pb0f5fbTYi1x62z9mo3_1280.jpg)
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/e34c87fbac6c510ffdabc1ee07ea7cd3/tumblr_pb0f5fbTYi1x62z9mo6_1280.jpg)

The mascot duo of Sun and Moon are shown off today, look pretty powerful
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on June 28, 2018, 12:09:03 AM
Not sure why they're calling the moves they use a generic "charging back and forth across the stage" and "powerful light beam" when the moves are obviously Sunsteel Strike and Moongeist Beam, their exclusive moves.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 28, 2018, 12:16:57 AM
Game Freak and the Pokemon Company are so stingy about their brand and copyright I would not be shocked if they were strict enough to restrict the use of attack names.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 28, 2018, 02:11:53 AM
If Travis Touchdown becomes a playable character, I don’t want to just see how cool he could play, I want to see his suave charm and fourth wall breaking personality shed some light to him as well. In fact, I want him to do something similar to Snake’s Codec Calls and Pit’s Palutena guidance. He calls Sylvia and Sylvia fills Travis in on the opponent he’s fighting.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: NSY on June 28, 2018, 08:32:49 AM
So as we know we only start off the roster with the oringnal 12 characters from Smash 64 and you you have to unlock the others.

Imagine if they decided to add rng loot boxes and the only way to unlock those characters if by opening those loot boxes. (As well as Stages, Throphies and whatnot). I hope to dear god it doesn't happen but imagine.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 28, 2018, 12:11:12 PM
Game Freak and the Pokemon Company are so stingy about their brand and copyright I would not be shocked if they were strict enough to restrict the use of attack names.
Sometimes I just wish they didn't get what they wanted at all just out of spite from the developers.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 28, 2018, 02:51:10 PM
I can't wait to tinker with the Poke Ball frequencies so only the powerful legendaries spawn.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 28, 2018, 05:38:15 PM
Use a Master Ball?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on June 28, 2018, 05:51:58 PM
Use a Master Ball?
Goldeen says hello.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 28, 2018, 05:53:13 PM
And Zoroark for some reason. I have no idea how or why but Sakurai seems to be under the impression Zoroark is a legendary.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 28, 2018, 05:54:45 PM
Not only that, but I also can spawn Electrodes and sometimes Inkay. I disabled Zoroark because he's not fun to play with. Also, you're forgetting Palkia, who is also not fun to play with.

Also, I don't know if Master Balls spawn as frequently as Poke Balls.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on June 28, 2018, 08:16:35 PM
I don't get the idea of unlocking 50+ characters and starting with only 12, it is kind of crazy. Maybe Sakurai will have an option of not to unlocking all of those characters, I find it time consuming and it would take me a LONG time to reach my main. A week or two if you use the unlock methods that is not the battles, but all the characters may be unlocked the same day you bought it if you go the vs. route, if I would get to my main on either of the two ways if there isn't a option of unlocking all the characters at the start, I would prefer the VS. match total to unlock them. Maybe I would do 1 stock and opponents at 300 damage and go that route.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 28, 2018, 08:43:21 PM
They should just have an unlock button combination to spare the headache.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Koopaul on June 28, 2018, 10:17:14 PM
He says he's making it much easier to unlock characters. So I'm suspecting that the tasks required to get them will be simple. Like to unlock Zelda you play a match on Temple or something.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 28, 2018, 10:49:21 PM
He said it was a fast game, so we'll unlock them quickly guys.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 28, 2018, 10:55:36 PM
I'm not a fan of having to unlock characters. I'd like to jump right into the game and start pummeling the crap out of Wario with my friends.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 28, 2018, 11:02:26 PM
At the same time, if the character one is going to main is not one of the starting charcaters, that would invite them to try out other charcaters. So it's kinda cool by me, since none of the original twelve are my future main anyway.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 28, 2018, 11:07:36 PM
I think it's also to be newcomer friendly. This will be a lot of people's first Smash game and having to chose a character from 70 right out the gate might be a little overwhelming.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on June 28, 2018, 11:08:01 PM
If they're really going to start us off with the original 8 as was implied, we'd need to unlock, as of now, about 57 characters. The only way I can see that being feasible is to make a character unlockable in increments of 5 battles (assuming no alternate unlocks). IIRC, you need multiples of 10 battles for each unlockable character in SSB4 and I highly doubt anyone wants to do 570+ battles to unlock characters.

If they do go that route, I wonder if they'll have character randomly unlocked ala Mario Kart 8 or by Smash appearance/an alternate order that is the same across all games.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 28, 2018, 11:08:54 PM
It might have been the original 12. The direct was a little unclear.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 28, 2018, 11:11:18 PM
I'd prefer to have an option that'll let me unlock all characters from the start via Konami code or whatever.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 28, 2018, 11:11:30 PM
Maybe there are more reasonable requirements. Instead of battling X times, what about battling on Mario stages gives you Mario unlocks and battling on Pokemon stages gives you Pokemon unlocks? And maybe characters who don't have stages can have just the normal amount of battles.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Meta Knight on June 28, 2018, 11:53:57 PM
There will most likely be more than one way to unlock characters. Such as a condition that is fitting but special or that will be potentially harder, and then an easier but long way in the form of X VS matches. Although X Vs. matches really isn't long when you can have 1-stock, handicap with 300%, and finish a match in like 10 seconds.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Koopaul on June 29, 2018, 01:03:57 AM
I can picture a Challenges type menu where you can see the how to unlock all the characters but you are also given 5 Golden Hammers to bypass the requirements to unlock five of your favorites and get them right off the bat.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 29, 2018, 01:07:17 AM
Regarding Final Smashes:
I think these are the ones that are going to change:
Mega Lucario
Super Dragon
Peach Blossom

The former two are transformations and the latter is really slow paced

This probably also kills the chance of Greninja getting an Ash Greninja themed final smash
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 29, 2018, 07:22:42 AM
Greninja and Lucario could still transform for the cinematic. Mewtwo does it. I can see Greninja changing to Ash-Greninja and using that giant Kienzan like water shuriken from the anime.

For Lucario, he can have his Brawl final smash and just become mega when he does it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 29, 2018, 11:27:39 AM
Your reaction: Smash Ultimate DLC is announced, but it's not new characters. We still have a few more newcomers in the base game though, but the DLC period is spent entirely on a full subspace style story mode.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 29, 2018, 11:56:01 AM
What if they are developping the story mode now? They didn't reveal every detail of the game.

There is still a few months before the game releases, and I don't really know how much time does a story mode take to program, but if they've been working on it for a while, I could see it happening, especially because Sakurai's reason for not doing that in Smash 4 was... say... underwhelming to say the least.

Also... heck yeah. That's like Infinity War with Video game characters, and I would love to see what would they do with 68 characters... but I don't know if echo fighters would be in there, or at least not have a significant role.

The best part about the whole thing is how unexpected some of these pairings were, like Mario and Pit, Link and Yoshi, Meta Knight with Lucario and Snake. This needs to come back.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 29, 2018, 01:48:55 PM
Your reaction: Smash Ultimate DLC is announced, but it's not new characters. We still have a few more newcomers in the base game though, but the DLC period is spent entirely on a full subspace style story mode.

That would be really nice and amazing, assuming the Subspace style story mode fixed the problems I had with Brawl's Subspace.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on June 29, 2018, 01:55:36 PM
I just want actual Nintendo enemies. Pull all the enemies from Smash Run plus a few more, and you're golden for enemy variety.

Also for bosses, bring back Petey. As far as new, Nintendo bosses I would say Kraid, Gohma, Necrozma, Dyna Blade, Andross.

Also, this is amazing and so in character for Ridley.
https://twitter.com/MrBaconJam/status/1009851174743355392 (https://twitter.com/MrBaconJam/status/1009851174743355392)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on June 29, 2018, 01:59:19 PM
Your reaction: Smash Ultimate DLC is announced, but it's not new characters. We still have a few more newcomers in the base game though, but the DLC period is spent entirely on a full subspace style story mode.
Depends. If I get most of the characters that I want and are highly likely in the base game, then I'll definitely be hyped, but if I was counting on DLC to bring in those same newcomers, then I would still be hyped but slightly disappointed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 29, 2018, 04:40:54 PM
If there actually is story mode, I want there to be actual dialogue, and I mean from characters who actually have talked in their own games, so excluding the Mario characters, Mega Man, Game and Watch, and PAC Man. Just imagine the pick up lines Snake would have for Samus if they were to team up in Story Mode.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 29, 2018, 04:59:21 PM
Well, Mario characters usually do talk in their games, just in text-boxes and usually not Mario nor Luigi.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 29, 2018, 05:01:35 PM
so excluding the Mario characters
Mario talks in Fortune Street

yes I'm reaching but please
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on June 29, 2018, 05:46:44 PM
Also, this is amazing and so in character for Ridley.
https://twitter.com/MrBaconJam/status/1009851174743355392 (https://twitter.com/MrBaconJam/status/1009851174743355392)

You so *bleep*ing precious when you

Smile
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 29, 2018, 11:01:32 PM
Also if there is a Story Mode, I want to see ALL characters added, not for post story like Toon Link, Jigglypuff And Wolf, and not as a last minute appearance like Sonic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 29, 2018, 11:14:05 PM
I want a story that doesn't take itself seriously  :-X
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 29, 2018, 11:15:27 PM
If there is a story mode, I'll watch as Mario gets turned into a trophy maybe 3 times in a row while the rest of the cast gazes in horror.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 29, 2018, 11:17:15 PM
I would also like it to be a bit longer. I’m not saying Final Fantasy long, but longer than Subspace which was two hours. Maybe a little over FFFFFFFFFFFFFFOOOOOUUUUUUUUURRRRR HOOOOOOOUUUUURRRRRRSSSSSSS!!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 29, 2018, 11:19:32 PM
Wario's bike should fly off to the right and explode.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 29, 2018, 11:20:25 PM
Wario's bike should fly off to the right and explode.
And Bowser should be able to approach the generator.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 29, 2018, 11:21:47 PM
COME ON COMRADES.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 29, 2018, 11:28:54 PM
Sakurai's a man, not a god.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on June 29, 2018, 11:36:58 PM
I find 4 hour stories aren't an inherently bad thing.

I mean I was about ready for SSE to end, and then the great maze happened.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Meta Knight on June 29, 2018, 11:44:47 PM
I find 4 hour stories aren't an inherently bad thing.

I mean I was about ready for SSE to end, and then the great maze happened.

You mean you don't enjoy having the final level as playing the entire game again?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 30, 2018, 02:47:08 AM
My main question with a story mode is how they're going to handle Mario and Dr. Mario, are they going to be two different people, does Mario just decides to do some doctoring in the middle of the story?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on June 30, 2018, 03:02:45 AM
Surely.

Brawl Zelda had to disguise herself as Sheik once and Zero Suit Samus put on her Power Suit to become regular Samus.

Would be pretty weird with Doctor Mario tho, because there's literally no reason for him to fight as a doctor.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on June 30, 2018, 01:47:46 PM
Surely.

Brawl Zelda had to disguise herself as Sheik once and Zero Suit Samus put on her Power Suit to become regular Samus.

Would be pretty weird with Doctor Mario tho, because there's literally no reason for him to fight as a doctor.
Unless maybe someone is badly wounded after a fight and he needs to check him up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on June 30, 2018, 02:37:29 PM
Dr. Mario goes inside someone to fight a disease which he can locate and diagnose.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 30, 2018, 03:07:22 PM
That someone should be Bowser.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on June 30, 2018, 11:45:42 PM
https://www.gonintendo.com/stories/312608-nintendo-planning-amiibo-for-veteran-fighters-in-smash-bros-ulti (https://www.gonintendo.com/stories/312608-nintendo-planning-amiibo-for-veteran-fighters-in-smash-bros-ulti)
Veterans not in Smash 4 will be getting amiibo
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on June 30, 2018, 11:56:01 PM
Will be so pumped for a Smash Young Link, Ice Climbers, and Snake amiibo!!!

If only I can afford them...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on July 01, 2018, 12:27:34 AM
I'm hoping they also release the new poses for the Smash 4 veterans too, most of them are a lot more expressive IMO.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 01, 2018, 12:28:59 AM
I'll buy a Young Link amiibo because it will also probably give me the Fierce Deity stuff for Breath of the Wild.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 01, 2018, 12:44:30 AM
I'm hoping they also release the new poses for the Smash 4 veterans too, most of them are a lot more expressive IMO.
Luigi's amiibo would be bootylicious.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on July 01, 2018, 12:46:57 AM
I'm hoping they also release the new poses for the Smash 4 veterans too, most of them are a lot more expressive IMO.

On this subject I actually just went a look at all the artwork and seeing which ones would probably require that stand that some of them use or not.

Would Require Stand
Mario
Ice Climbers
Pokemon Trainer (Whether they individualize the Amiibo or put them all together it looks like they’ll need something holding them together heh. Would probably be fine if it’s the Pokemon Trainer by himself though)
Sonic

Might need a Stand
Luigi
Yoshi
Kirby (Though I guess they could have Kirby tip-toeing maybe)
Fox
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Daisy
Sheik
Pichu
Falco
Wario
Diddy
Lucario
ROB
Toon Link
Villager
Greninja
Mii Brawler
Pac-Man
Robin
Duck Hunt

Would probably be fine
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus
Ness
Captain Falcon
Peach
Zelda
Dr. Mario
Marth
Lucina
Young Link
Ganondorf
Mewtwo
Roy
Mr. Game And Watch
Meta Knight
Pit
Dark Pit
Zero Suit Samus
Snake
Ike
Lucas
King Dedede
Olimar
Wolf
Mega Man
Wii Fit Trainer
Rosalina
Little Mac
Mii Gunner
Mii Swordsman
Palutena
Shulk
Bowser Jr.
Ryu
Cloud
Corrin
Bayonetta (Though would probably need omissions just like the Smash 4 Amiibo)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 01, 2018, 12:48:14 AM
If they do re-release the Smash 4 veterans, I really want an amiibo of Ultimate Ness. His pose is better than the Smash 4 pose and he's holding his trademark bat as a bonus.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 01, 2018, 12:49:54 AM
Mr. Game & Watch would probably require a stand too.

I do hope that if Mario gets an amiibo, he'll be entirely floating in space.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on July 01, 2018, 02:46:01 AM
I'm hoping they also release the new poses for the Smash 4 veterans too, most of them are a lot more expressive IMO.
If I remember correctly, they said the veterans wouldn't be getting new Smash amiibo during the Treehouse.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on July 01, 2018, 05:10:09 AM
God I don't want them to re-release the Smash amiibo with their new forms. It was already hard enough getting them the first time, but it seems Japan is getting a restock of the old Smash amiibo so a new batch with different poses seems unlikely.

Also I'm pre-ordering the Ice Climbers amiibo the instant it goes up. I hope Nintendo has dropped the retail exclusive bull*bleep* in America for good, especially now with TRU dead (RIP).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on July 01, 2018, 05:46:15 AM
I wouldn't mind an Ultimate Samus amiibo.  Her pose in Smash 4 is so boring.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 01, 2018, 06:12:15 AM
I think Waluigi not being playable is now a bigger meme than Leonardo DiCaprio not winning an Oscar pre-Revenant.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on July 01, 2018, 10:58:55 AM
I think Waluigi not being playable is now a bigger meme than Leonardo DiCaprio not winning an Oscar pre-Revenant.
Speaking of that. It reminded me of when the Daisy costume got revealed for Mario Maker in January 2016, I said to myself:
"Daisy costume is in Mario Maker. What's next? Leonardo DiCaprio winning an Oscar?"

And later in February 2016, that happened.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 02, 2018, 04:38:33 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhFkPSoUEAEjPcB.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhFkRwiUcAEO8Fv.jpg)
Way to go, Knucklehead!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 03, 2018, 01:21:34 AM
I wonder if Ken would be an echo fighter. The only difference is he’ll shoot Sonic Booms as opposed to Hadokens.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 03, 2018, 01:24:07 AM
Why on Earth would Ken have Sonic Boom? Only Guile and Charlie use that. Ken uses Hadoukens all the time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 03, 2018, 09:35:34 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html)
City Trial finally gets it's remix!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on July 03, 2018, 10:11:14 PM
Well, that's better than remixing Green Greens and Butter Building or a Super Star song for the umpteenth time so I'll take it.

Also, this is now my favorite song so far. Not biased.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 03, 2018, 10:25:29 PM
A potential City Trial stage? Either way, cool to see some more variety in terms of Kirby music.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on July 03, 2018, 11:14:02 PM
Well the Ice Climbers and the veterans that didn't make the cut in Smash 4 will get their Amiibos. I can't wait until Snake gets his own.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on July 04, 2018, 01:30:51 AM
The question is... will Snake's amiibo be in his Smash pose like the characters from Smash 4? Or will it just be the box? Because I really want it to just be the box, if only because I'll find it hilarious.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on July 04, 2018, 03:32:48 AM
The box should be his alternate pose, like Mr Game & Watch's amiibo.

Or something special, with the box as the packaging.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 04, 2018, 12:45:18 PM
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/52_1.jpg)
(https://www.smashbros.com/data/bs/en_US/ja_JP/img/52_2.jpg)
I'm so glad stages from Melee are coming back are not just the ones that came back in Brawl
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 05, 2018, 01:09:18 AM
With Young Link being the character of the day, I just wanted to mention that he's one of the characters I'm most excited to play. I've always loved his play style and seeing him back after all this time, and being distinct from the two other Links has me very excited. Still praying for that Fierce Deity final smash. Triforce Slash would be so disappointing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 05, 2018, 01:26:23 AM
I agree, his final smash should either be that or anything related to only OoT or MM, but as far as his normal moveset goes, I wonder what they will do to make him not a clone of Toon Link. They gotta be around the same weight and speed so they need some distinctions.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 05, 2018, 01:31:16 AM
Melee Young Link and Brawl Toon Link are already vastly different. Young Link, while lighter and faster than the standard Link, is nowhere near as floaty as Toon Link. That alone makes them fundamentally pretty different in terms of play style and movement options. His moveset seems pretty much the same as it was in Melee, so he keeps most of OG Link's moves. Toon Link has a distinct jab, nair, fair, bair, fsmash, up smash, fthrow, and back throw. Plus Young Link has fire arrows.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 05, 2018, 03:11:20 AM
Now can we get CD-I Link?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on July 05, 2018, 04:12:29 AM
If Young Link gets an original final smash (not Triforce Slash) it's almost certainly going to be Fierce Deity, but I'd be much more hype about a final smash involving the moon crashing down, although that seems more like a Skull Kid thing.

Still can't believe Toon Link has that trash FS though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 05, 2018, 04:31:55 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhTU0kUUcAAiLSn.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhTU0kXUYAM_4wd.jpg)
Well, what ya know, a character from Rare
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on July 05, 2018, 12:45:16 PM
Well, what ya know, a character from Rare
:diddy:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 05, 2018, 05:03:12 PM
A potential City Trial stage? Either way, cool to see some more variety in terms of Kirby music.

If there's a City Trial stage, someone please hold me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 06, 2018, 02:05:03 PM
A City Trial stage will be complete if it has hazards. And have the boxes spawn as blue, red, green too while we're at it. My dream since Brawl.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on July 07, 2018, 02:45:24 PM
I don't get the idea of unlocking 50+ characters and starting with only 12, it is kind of crazy.



Coming back to unlocking characters, I think the unlock formula should be:

Start with originals from Smash 1, then unlocks from Smash 1, then newcomers from Melee, then new unlocks from Melee, newcomers from Brawl, etc.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Roserade on July 07, 2018, 02:54:23 PM
New leak right off of 4chan (http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/422708115)

I highly doubt that this leak is realistic, but the fact that it's a guessing game makes it far more fun:
Quote
OK Kiddies, see if you can figure this one out.

July: The characters “King” and “Ponytail” will be revealed in a mini direct

August: The character “Old Man” will be revealed at years EVO

September: The character “Archer” will be revealed in a direct of some kind

October: The Characters “Warrior” & “Secretary” will be revealed in a Smash Ultimate focused Direct.

November: The character “Mech” will be revealed in a surprise character announcement

The other characters: The Characters “Rhythm” “Folklore” “Doll” and “Prime Ribs” won’t get reveal trailers until post release.

Predictions while I'm here:

-King is K. Rool and Ponytail is Dixie
-Old Man is Heihachi from Tekken, given the reveal being at EVO
-Archer is Decidueye
-Warrior is a little up in the air. Simon Belmont could fit this, but I could also see Chrom as an Ike Echo revealed.
-Secretary is... Maybe Isabelle?
-Mech's popular choice is Elma from Xenoblade Chronicles X, but I'm going to go completely left field and say Robot Kit, based on the Nintendo LABO.
EDIT: Another strong possibility I just realized is the reveal of Chibi-Robo
-Rhythm is Rhythm Heaven rep, either Chorus Kids or Karate Joe.
-Folklore is Okami
-Doll is Geno
-Prime Ribs is a Metroid Prime rep, likely Dark Samus
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 07, 2018, 03:08:13 PM
0/10 still no Bandana Dee.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on July 07, 2018, 03:16:31 PM
I don't get the idea of unlocking 50+ characters and starting with only 12, it is kind of crazy.



Coming back to unlocking characters, I think the unlock formula should be:

Start with originals from Smash 1, then unlocks from Smash 1, then newcomers from Melee, then new unlocks from Melee, newcomers from Brawl, etc.

Pretty sure there will be multiple ways to unlock characters. And probably ways to unlock the ones you really want most faster then the others. Would be kind of a pain if it took that long to get Ridley and the Inklings.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on July 07, 2018, 03:56:37 PM


good
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 07, 2018, 04:01:32 PM
Yeah, something about seeing all Smash fighters one after another with no exceptions is just so dang satisfying.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 07, 2018, 07:51:54 PM


good
This would make a great video game sitcom! Right up there with Get Over Here by Dorkly.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 08, 2018, 02:37:01 AM
You know, with Ganondorf having his OoT design, it's a shame Phantom Ganon isn't a palette swap.

Speaking of Zelda, I saw someone suggest that the new Codec/Guidance for this game should be the four BOTW champions providing commentary when Link taunts on the Great Plateau Tower. Obviously Link wouldn't converse, it would juts be one of them commenting and giving Link info, or maybe multiple champions talking about single character. Imagine Revali talking about Falco, or Urbosa's thoughts on Ganondorf. Or hell, just random stuff like Mipha talking about R.O.B.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on July 08, 2018, 06:39:27 PM
I don't get the idea of unlocking 50+ characters and starting with only 12, it is kind of crazy.



Coming back to unlocking characters, I think the unlock formula should be:

Start with originals from Smash 1, then unlocks from Smash 1, then newcomers from Melee, then new unlocks from Melee, newcomers from Brawl, etc.

Pretty sure there will be multiple ways to unlock characters. And probably ways to unlock the ones you really want most faster then the others. Would be kind of a pain if it took that long to get Ridley and the Inklings.

I think that they would have unlocks with every ten vs. battles in vs. mode like in Brawl and Smash 4. It would be cool if you can scan an Amiibo of the character to unlock them skipping the battle. If the battle cannot be avoided, I think that they will make it easier to unlock all the characters, as in previous games, every character you battle to unlock them gets harder and I think that they will make the battles easier to unlock them easier.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 08, 2018, 06:45:12 PM
Eh, every character battle for unlocking them was pretty easy so it's not a big deal if I had to battle them or not.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 08, 2018, 06:46:18 PM
I hope this game will go back to being T for Teen than E10. In fact adding Bayonetta in the last game as DLC kind of made the E10 rating futile.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 08, 2018, 06:47:27 PM
I don't understand why you hope for a game age rating to change...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 08, 2018, 06:55:42 PM
I hope this game will go back to being T for Teen than E10. In fact adding Bayonetta in the last game as DLC kind of made the E10 rating futile.
Rayman Origins had those fairies, and that was rated E10+ so Bayonetta's not going to change the rating.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on July 08, 2018, 07:32:08 PM
I hope this game will go back to being T for Teen than E10. In fact adding Bayonetta in the last game as DLC kind of made the E10 rating futile.
Age rating =/= game quality.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 09, 2018, 12:35:53 AM
The newest Smash Blog update highlights the best character, Marth, looking good as ever.

This has been my public service announcement.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Roserade on July 09, 2018, 11:01:19 AM
the best character, Marth
I don't think that's how you spell Lucas
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on July 09, 2018, 02:44:17 PM
the best character, Marth
I don't think that's how you spell Lucas
its spelled with the letters "i-n-a" not "a-s"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 09, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
the best character, Marth
I don't think that's how you spell Lucas
its spelled with the letters "i-n-a" not "a-s"
Ah Lucina. Or as I like to say, Marth when I don't feel like spacing tippers.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 09, 2018, 04:35:55 PM
It's not "ina" or "as"

It's "ario"


Wow three characters that start with luc.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gellert Grindelwald on July 09, 2018, 05:02:05 PM
it's pronounced tingle you uncultured swines
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 09, 2018, 05:02:55 PM
The least boring of the bunch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 09, 2018, 06:20:05 PM
it's pronounced tingle you uncultured swines
Honestly Zelda's overdo for a new character but with Young Link coming back and half the Zelda cast getting redesigned, it seems unlikely. I'd love Impa but her only chance is probably as a Sheik echo, which I'd be fine with but if Zelda gets a unique newcomer then Tingle is the most likely. Skull Kid would be cool but I just don't see it happening.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on July 09, 2018, 10:19:58 PM
this has nothing to do with anything but i dont get the update schedule for the smash blog
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on July 09, 2018, 11:01:01 PM
this has nothing to do with anything but i dont get the update schedule for the smash blog

For the most part yeah, the Smash Blog is mainly just recycling stuff we got at E3. Pic of the Days in Smash 4 sometimes had completely useless stuff (Close-up of Luigi's nose for example) but we usually had some kind of new thing on

I'm starting to feel this game's information drop will be the slowest it will be since Melee. And when we do get information we'll get it in bunches or at least a big newcomer trailer at the end and/or at the beginning of general directs.

I'm even thinking we may not get anything new at all this month and we'll simply have to wait until a Direct in August for anything.

It's at least better then literally knowing nothing prior to E3. But by now we're already running out of things to talk about. So we're no doubt going to be hungry for more information heh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 09, 2018, 11:18:17 PM
I just wish they had a consistent post schedule.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 10, 2018, 02:49:23 PM
If they were to add another oddball character choice like they’ve been doing since Melee with Mr. Game and Watch, R.O.B., Wii Fit Trainer and Duck Hunt, it would be...

Bubsy for his infamy
AVGN for having a couple games and how much he impacted the Internet with game reviewing (in particular Nintendo)

Nintendo Labo for many kinds of creativity with its use of cardboard (probably this game’s Mr. Game and Watch)

Of all these, I’d say Labo is most likely.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 10, 2018, 03:31:26 PM
Nintendo labo Robot kit if anything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on July 10, 2018, 03:38:30 PM
I do kind of feel like that this time there really shouldn't be any character that's too out of the blue in this one. Maybe a character that is severely underestimated (Ex: A Pokemon newcomer that isn't Decidueye for example). But not a total WTF on the level of Wii Fit Trainer. With lack of newcomer spots as it is, I do feel all the choices this time are going to be relatively popular choices one way or another. Even if they're not THE top choices. (Which speaking of which I think as long as K. Rool is one of them, it will be all fine and dandy in terms of how the fanbase receives Ultimate's newcomer choices. All signs point to him doing real well in the ballot, so this really SHOULD be his big shot.)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on July 10, 2018, 09:07:08 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

Mega Man 4 Medley is this week's new music
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 10, 2018, 09:13:07 PM
It's composed by Jun Senoue, of Sonic fame.
Man, with two of his main composers on board, I really hope Sega doesn't be stupid again and not allow any remixes
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on July 10, 2018, 10:14:29 PM
Mega Man 4 Medley is this week's new music

It's composed by Jun Senoue
(https://i.imgur.com/347QoIK.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on July 10, 2018, 11:23:38 PM
Yup, that definitely sounds like it's done in the Sonic Adventure style.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 11, 2018, 04:09:34 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhTU3SgUEAY3Vao.jpg)
In honor of IHOP being done with it's publicly stunt, here's a close up of Alolan Raichu
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on July 11, 2018, 09:28:22 AM
Yup, that definitely sounds like it's done in the Sonic Adventure style.

you could totally put the dive man section over metal harbor and it would be perfect
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 11, 2018, 05:36:46 PM
This is a pretty accurate video for Geno being in.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 11, 2018, 10:01:50 PM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/071dc78855fbc7ccd6cb0ca89adf4c4b/tumblr_pbq60676Y21ufr0jio3_1280.jpg)
Dere he is
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on July 11, 2018, 10:04:32 PM
Please show me Ice Climbers right now, Nintendo. Thanks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on July 11, 2018, 10:05:06 PM
the blog just updated and highlights mega man

this has been a good week
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on July 11, 2018, 10:22:08 PM
https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1017227109541076992

Quote
Ridley, Inkling and Wolf are coming to the Super Smash Bros. series of #amiibo! These amiibo will arrive 12/7 and will retail for $15.99. Looking for an original Super Smash Bros. amiibo? Many of these will also be re-released starting later this year and will be $12.99.

Ridley, Inkling, and Wolf to be released when Smash releases. I understand the extra $3 for Ridley because he's a big boi, but the extra $3 for Inkling and Wolf is super lame.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 11, 2018, 11:10:10 PM
It's because they know people will pay for them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 11, 2018, 11:11:09 PM
Watch them understock them so you can't have them anyway :^)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 11, 2018, 11:16:06 PM
The only figures I'm missing from the original line is Marth, Wii Fit, Ike, Shulk, Olimar, Grenina and Bowser Jr, I don't have Wario, Rosalina, DDD and Meta or any of the Player 2 figures but I have figures of them already. I'm also gonna skip the Daisy figure unless she does something different
Also, no more Amazon exclusives, I'm not giving that site the time of day till they stop mistreating their workers despite the CEO being super rich
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 12, 2018, 02:57:50 AM
What if Sakurai added Waluigi as an assist trophy because he knew people make reaction videos and he did it for his own pleasure, then took him out as an assist trophy and actually made him playable? I know...I’m just reaching.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 12, 2018, 03:16:15 AM

So, if any of ya are interested, there is going to be recording of a new Smash tournament along with an Aces one, doubt they'll show anything not already seen at E3 since it seems to be the same build, but hey, it could be fun just to watch
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: MnSG on July 12, 2018, 07:32:48 AM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/071dc78855fbc7ccd6cb0ca89adf4c4b/tumblr_pbq60676Y21ufr0jio3_1280.jpg)
Dere he is

I have a feeling that all the fighters from Smash 3DS / Wii U will just reuse their artwork poses from that game, assuming that they get re-released later on.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 12, 2018, 09:46:24 AM
Which is a shame really, since people like Link, Meta Knight and Lucario have some pretty swell looking poses.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on July 12, 2018, 10:18:28 AM
I think the vast majority of Ultimate's poses are a lot more lively than Smash 4's. Luigi's in particular was really awkward in Smash 4, I know it's part of one of his taunts but it looks weird for his official pose to be him standing at attention. The Ultimate pose is more in character for him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 12, 2018, 11:08:18 AM
Link needs one tho since he got a completely new design in terms of appearance. TP Link ain't around anymore. In fact, let Zelda and Ganondorf have new amiibos too, because they both are not their TP selves anymore.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on July 12, 2018, 01:40:21 PM
If there will be the new SSB Link amiibo, I'm guessing it's has the same functionality as BotW Link (Archer) amiibo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 12, 2018, 02:05:59 PM
I think the vast majority of Ultimate's poses are a lot more lively than Smash 4's. Luigi's in particular was really awkward in Smash 4, I know it's part of one of his taunts but it looks weird for his official pose to be him standing at attention. The Ultimate pose is more in character for him.

Well Luigi's thrusting his ass at you in his Ultimate pose so...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 12, 2018, 06:51:00 PM
Since Marth now has an English actor, I hope Steve Burton will be able to voice Cloud.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 12, 2018, 08:24:42 PM
Cloud was still Japanese in the demo.

I imagine Roy will be in English too. Especially since I think he has the same English VA as Marth.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on July 12, 2018, 08:33:10 PM
oh boy a chance to nerd

Marth has been voiced by Yuri Lowenthal since Fire Emblem Warriors.  Roy is voiced by Ray Chase in Fire Emblem Heroes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 12, 2018, 09:07:04 PM
Well someone told me Yuri Lowenthal voiced Roy but I guess I was lied to.

Anyway fun fact, it's been one month since E3 and so far the website has highlighted 18 different characters. 50 more to go not counting any potential newcomers.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 12, 2018, 10:06:31 PM
So if Snake AND Palutena are in the game, I wonder how the codec calls and Palutena’s guidance would work?

Would Palutena pull a Slippy on Shadow Moses Island if Snake is fighting her?

Would Snake interfere with Pit and Palutena when Pit is fighting Snake?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 12, 2018, 10:46:43 PM
Ike is now voiced by Greg Chun, Marth is voiced by Yuri, Roy is voiced by Ray Chase and depending if she has time in the schedule or they just reuse her Smash 4 voice clips, Lucina is voiced Alexis Tipton instead of Laura Bailey.
As for Cloud, the main thing that's getting in the way is that Steve Burton isn't usually a voice actor, in fact, if I heard right, Cloud is the only character he's ever done voice work for, he is instead a live TV actor, blame Kingdom Hearts and it's high profile voice casting that made it that way and Square's refusal to recast.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 12, 2018, 10:51:39 PM
Well we've yet to see if Roy is getting his english voice. We know Marth is but the Japanese voice actor was rerecording lines for him anyway so they may have just thought give him English lines since we're rerecording anyway. Roy himself looks like he's barely chnaged since SSB4 so there's a chance he'll just keep his SSB4 voice.

Lucina's lines are probably getting reused. Did Laura Bailey just retire from voice acting? She got replaced with Alexis Tipton in Dragon Ball as well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 12, 2018, 11:00:39 PM
It's probably the same reason why Troy Baker doesn't do anime anymore, they're high profile so they're too busy to do smaller projects.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 12, 2018, 11:04:31 PM
Speaking of voices, I always thought they were pretty inconsistent when they made Donkey Kong sound like an actual gorilla, Diddy sound like a real chimp and Bowser like an actual dragon (Because when it comes to Smash, it’s more “edgy” that way), Yet Bowser Jr sounds like his normal self when I expected him to sound like a baby dragon. What the hell?! What would they do to K. Rool if he gets in?! Is he gonna sound like a real crocodile or give him a wacky cartoony voice?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 12, 2018, 11:13:16 PM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/5f150a2e8b71535bd2af5eb621ecda9a/tumblr_pbrnd0Xz8X1tg4slk_540.jpg)
Palutena won't have her Uprising voice still.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on July 13, 2018, 02:43:19 AM
Well we've yet to see if Roy is getting his english voice. We know Marth is but the Japanese voice actor was rerecording lines for him anyway so they may have just thought give him English lines since we're rerecording anyway. Roy himself looks like he's barely chnaged since SSB4 so there's a chance he'll just keep his SSB4 voice.

Lucina's lines are probably getting reused. Did Laura Bailey just retire from voice acting? She got replaced with Alexis Tipton in Dragon Ball as well.
Tipton did Lucina's alts in Heroes and she did everything for Warriors. interestingly Bailey DID do Lucina in Heroes to begin with but she wasn't credited because of unions or some *bleep*. so uh yeah either they're gonna reuse her Sm4sh clips or do new one's with Tipton's voice afaik. and my money is on tipton
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on July 13, 2018, 05:24:19 AM
Today's update is the video showcase of Pit.

Overall, aside from the Mega Man 4 music and amiibo if you want to count that, pretty lame week in terms of Smash announcements.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on July 14, 2018, 04:01:36 PM
*img*
Palutena won't have her Uprising voice still.
Or they might just be reusing her voice clips, we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 15, 2018, 07:43:10 PM
I would love it if they brought back Race to the Finish.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 15, 2018, 11:17:44 PM
After watching that Smash tournament that happened today, still no one encountered a Waluigi assist trophy, and assist trophies have been popping up constantly. I’m starting to think Sakurai is trolling.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 15, 2018, 11:23:54 PM
It's the same build as the E3 demo. If Waluigi wasn't included in that demo then of course he wouldn't show up now. Naturally a demo isn't going to have every assist trophy included.

People thinking he has a chance need to snap out of it. I know because I've been in this position before. I fought adamantly, saying that the shadow tease didn't disconfirm Ridley for Smash 4. This is that scenario all over again. Hell, the Ridley argument had more going for it since there was more ambiguity. Here they literally showed coming out of an assist trophy and doing the same thing he's done since Brawl. Waluigi is not happening.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 15, 2018, 11:28:05 PM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/1add1d9d250d161f7aa5b6d7da88966f/tumblr_pbxtu22S231x62z9mo1_400.gif)
Shiek has a new Final Smash
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/fa12839e86cb1cd090c5aa0e6d845ba7/tumblr_pbxu3kG6BO1x62z9mo1_100.png)
Here's Snake title for the Boxing Ring stage(Though we probably need a translation)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 15, 2018, 11:33:03 PM
I can still live with Waluigi not being playable tho. As at least assist trophy he's always secure.

However I feel some of the current assist trophies have more chance of getting in than him. For example, Krystal was considered for Brawl, but since her body build was pretty new for the devs AND they didn't have much time, they went for Wolf, who has a similar build to Fox.

You also got the likes of Takamaru, who were, mind you, considered since Melee. I think.

But you know, assist trophies aside, did you know that in Smash 4, Reggie, Iwata and Miyamoto were considered?

Here take a look at that (https://sourcegaming.info/2016/04/29/duflupdate/)

It also says Ridley was seriously considered throughout the series, but only now they found a way to put him in.

But seriously, seeing Reggie duke it out with Iwata in the Mii trailer tho.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on July 15, 2018, 11:47:40 PM
Today's update is the video showcase of Pichu.

Hopefully they get these out of the way asap so we can get to the new stuff.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 15, 2018, 11:52:06 PM
But Waluigi has been one of the most prominent assist trophies in Smash. Yet the only time they’ve shown him as an assist trophy is the presentation, not the demos at E3 or tonight’s tournament. I find that direction to be...suspicious if you ask me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 15, 2018, 11:53:40 PM
Today's update is the video showcase of Pichu.

Hopefully they get these out of the way asap so we can get to the new stuff.
At the very least we'll get some music. Hoping for some Sun and Moon tracks since we've yet to hear any new pokemon songs. All we've heard have been remixes from past Smash games.

But Waluigi has been one of the most prominent assist trophies in Smash. Yet the only time they’ve shown him as an assist trophy is the presentation, not the demos at E3 or tonight’s tournament. I find that direction to be...suspicious if you ask me.
You know what else is suspicious? A vague shadow of a popular character moving around like a playable character with no comment on it for months. We know how that turned out.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on July 15, 2018, 11:56:35 PM
I don't think we'll be seeing a significant amount of new stuff with these short update posts, aside from items or seeing a returning stage we don't know about in a random screenshot.

No doubt there will be another direct with a focus on smash before release and any worthwhile new info will come from that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on July 16, 2018, 12:00:02 AM
Today's update is the video showcase of Pichu.

Hopefully they get these out of the way asap so we can get to the new stuff.

If they continue a current trend of 4 fighters a week (Though it was only 3 at first for a bit) they'll run out of fighters by October.

To be honest I'm starting to feel reveals will go like this: We'll get one character reveal in an general Nintendo Direct in August (May even just be an Echo fighter so it's nothing big yet), then pretty much nothing until October or even November where we get a big Smash direct with at least two reveals and a big load of information on modes and everything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 16, 2018, 12:02:56 AM
One thing I was so excited is not only is Safron City Back, but the Pokémon on that stage remain in their N64 designs!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on July 16, 2018, 02:08:46 AM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/fa12839e86cb1cd090c5aa0e6d845ba7/tumblr_pbxu3kG6BO1x62z9mo1_100.png)
Here's Snake title for the Boxing Ring stage(Though we probably need a translation)

GameXplain uploaded a video of Snake fighting Ness in the Boxing Ring, where his English title is "The Legendary Mercenary". (https://youtu.be/VbtivxfduvQ)

The Japanese title seems to say "(something) Specialist" (I can't make out the first character) but since 入 usually has something to do with entering something, I'm gonna guess "Infiltration Specialist".
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 16, 2018, 03:01:34 AM
I know this is pretty much an edit, but apparently Look what this voice Actress (supposedly) did.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0637586/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t3
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on July 16, 2018, 01:10:44 PM
I think that there will be a classic mode, but if All-Star mode reappears and you unlocked ALL the characters it will be a pain to clear. Training mode It most likely will appear, there may be more characters announced, but Nintendo said that they will be announcing new characters, if any closer to December.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: NSY on July 16, 2018, 03:07:33 PM
I can’t see All Star more getting scrapped. It’s a traditional mode now and considering how big the roster is completing it will be considered one hell of a challenge.

It’ll be intresting to see how Classic mode is done this time round, my feeling is that they will most likely revert to the style in the first three smash games but I can see the intensity feature almost certainly coming and probably Master Core as well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 16, 2018, 05:19:43 PM
I can’t see All Star more getting scrapped. It’s a traditional mode now and considering how big the roster is completing it will be considered one hell of a challenge.

It’ll be intresting to see how Classic mode is done this time round, my feeling is that they will most likely revert to the style in the first three smash games but I can see the intensity feature almost certainly coming and probably Master Core as well.

I would highly appreciate it if they made Classic mode the way it always has been.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Meta Knight on July 16, 2018, 06:24:19 PM
I want Classic mode to not try to throw you into an 8 player battle every match.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 16, 2018, 06:26:10 PM
A return to a Melee / Brawl style classic mode would be ideal. And also a Melee style adventure mode pretty please.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 16, 2018, 07:01:02 PM
I want Classic mode to not try to throw you into an 8 player battle every match.

8-player smash should stay in vs mode because that's where it's at its most fun and it's out of place anywhere else.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on July 16, 2018, 11:14:55 PM
Wait, are you guys saying you wouldn't love for one of the challenges to be completing All Star mode on the hardest difficulty using Pichu?  :koopa:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 16, 2018, 11:25:25 PM
Eh, All-Star mode in Smash 4 in hard isn't that bad. Olimar probably had the hardest time because the knockback scale doesn't apply to projectiles, so he couldn't use his smash attacks as effectively as other characters should and has to rely on tilts to kill.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on July 16, 2018, 11:27:01 PM
https://twitter.com/TheRapture_/status/1018855691480719365?s=19

*scrolls down*

...good
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 17, 2018, 12:47:49 AM
Still surreal to me that we got Ridley. This Smash truly is "Ultimate".
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 17, 2018, 12:57:11 AM
I have seen Ridley cross-dressing as Captain America.

I can now die a happy man.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snoadgamer on July 17, 2018, 11:23:56 AM
Wait! We haven't gotten to the part where Sakurai confirms Weegee!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on July 17, 2018, 09:13:23 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

what a thrill
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on July 17, 2018, 09:23:46 PM
no lyrics

0/10
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on July 17, 2018, 09:53:01 PM
Yeah....not really feeling this one, tbh. Maybe it'll grow on me the more I listen to it.

I really hope they include the original Snake Eater and the Instrumental version from Brawl. Those two tracks were phenomenal.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 17, 2018, 10:04:31 PM
I think it's pretty good but it would been so much better with the singer Cynthia Harrell in it.

I still prefer the original version though. One of the main reasons I enjoy it is the slower pace to begin with.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 17, 2018, 10:07:08 PM
You know what I realize? It’s not just new characters the DK series is lacking, but the music department could use some fixing as well. Why do we need 60 versions of Jungle Hijinx when we could use music from DK64 and Donkey Kong Country 2. I think both games have the best music in the Donkey Kong franchise and the only tracks they could use are Bramble Blast and the DK Rap?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 17, 2018, 10:07:52 PM
Speaking of songs from Metal Gear, I hope they’ll put in Here’s To You from MGS4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on July 17, 2018, 10:14:54 PM
It sounds very bondish. Very appropriate. I like it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 17, 2018, 10:23:38 PM
Yeah, not digging this version. Sounds more like a generic Smash version. Not sure what the hell is Smash's boner for guitar and orchestra, but it doesn't work well here.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on July 17, 2018, 10:32:02 PM
Actually it's doing the guitar orchestra thing because that is what the james bond theme sounds like.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 17, 2018, 10:35:38 PM
It's a different kind of guitar, though. And it has a different atmosphere to it. The Smash "remix" one sounds like a generic fight song. The other sounds more like a big band.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on July 17, 2018, 10:41:58 PM
That's because one is a theme song and the other is a fight song but the core of what it is rooted in James Bond.

Which since MGS3 is a giant tribute to 60s spy stuff including James Bond, that's to be expected.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 18, 2018, 12:01:39 AM
Eh, music to my ears.

It's cool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 18, 2018, 12:10:50 AM
I mean, the original version of the song already sounds like it belongs in a Bond opening so I guess something in the Bond theme style is fitting.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on July 18, 2018, 02:09:26 AM
this version sucks
barely even reminds me of the original
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 18, 2018, 07:14:10 PM
I would love if there’s a Detective Pikachu Costume for Pikachu for DLC, not only do you get the costume, but you get to hear Ryan Reynolds as Pikachu to promote the upcoming movie.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 18, 2018, 07:15:01 PM
unless costume DLC is REALLY good, like exceptionally good, then it should be free
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on July 18, 2018, 07:17:26 PM
If anything he'd be voiced by Kaiji Tang, who voices him in the game.

I'd be fine with this because Owain will never be in Smash and it would be as close as I would ever get.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 19, 2018, 05:05:20 PM


Fun video analyzing the various main themes of Smash games.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 19, 2018, 05:12:09 PM
Brawl, despite being overly grimdark, still has my favorite theme in the series. idk it stands out the most by being orchestrated, lyrical, and having a darker sound.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 19, 2018, 05:18:26 PM
Brawl, despite being overly grimdark, still has my favorite theme in the series. idk it stands out the most by being orchestrated, lyrical, and having a darker sound.
Exactly. Which is why I think the theme for Smash 4 is 5 steps backwards and doesn’t even remotely sound like a fighting game. Thankfully Ultimate is way better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 19, 2018, 05:26:36 PM
Brawl's theme is grandiose and epic and honestly I think it works for a game as ambitious as Brawl. For having the weakest gameplay of the series, Brawl might have the best soundtrack of all of them. Some of the arrangements from Brawl are down right legendary. It's no wonder many of them continue to see use even in Ultimate.

In terms of main themes, for me it goes like this:

1. Brawl
2. Ultimate
3. Melee and Smash 4 tied
4. Smash 64.

I don't dislike any of these. I'm a little indifferent to 64's "main theme" that's not much of a main theme, but I think the main themes from Melee onwards have all been stellar.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 19, 2018, 05:33:44 PM
I don't even know what 64's main theme is. What is generally considered its main theme? Can't be the menu, can't be the fighter select, can't be the credits, can't be the opening music. There isn't a consistent theme I'm hearing from that game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 19, 2018, 05:44:46 PM
I tend to think of the Credits theme as the main theme for Smash 64.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Glowsquid on July 19, 2018, 05:56:33 PM
I don't even know what 64's main theme is.

For me it's the menu theme.

I think this is like the third time I write this here but I way prefer the cool and minimalistic presentation of SSB64 over the self-serious, "epic" direction the later games went for,
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 19, 2018, 10:16:29 PM
I certainly prefer the punching, electric and crowd sound effects from 64's international version than from any other game or version. I also like how characters are electrocuted in Smash 64.

And I think the art style is also superior over the later ones too, if we're going by game art. It maintains the inherent ridiculousness of Smash Bros.. Everyone looks so derpy, cartoon effects are all over the place, and you get to see characters performing their special moves.

(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/3/35/Smash_Bros..png)
(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/thumb/7/76/GroupArt-SSB64.png/800px-GroupArt-SSB64.png)

I do think the low budget has to play a part in the style though.

the only thing very wrong about smash 64 is pikachu being unbalanced and needs a nerf to even the playing field

After speaking out my nostalgia, I admit, I do like Brawl's main theme on its own merits.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 20, 2018, 05:11:07 AM
Wait...I just noticed something. Other than Inkling who was already confirmed months prior to E3, the first newcomer Sakurai introduced to us was Daisy. Then at the end of the announcement he added Ridley. So Daisy and Ridley are added—waaaaaaaait. Daisy...and Ridley? Daisy and Ridley? Daisy Rid—OH MY GOD!!!! Nah it’s probably just a coincidence.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Meta Knight on July 20, 2018, 05:29:26 AM
That joke has already been made numerous times and it's kinda not funny anymore.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on July 20, 2018, 12:45:00 PM
It was never funny.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on July 20, 2018, 01:17:24 PM
I don't even get it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on July 20, 2018, 01:18:55 PM
Daisy Ridley is an actress.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on July 20, 2018, 01:20:53 PM
Daisy Ridley is an actress.
Oh.  I see.  I'm not exactly in the loop about that, anyway.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gellert Grindelwald on July 21, 2018, 06:59:04 AM
I love Daisy Ridley
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: 09: Luigi on July 21, 2018, 03:05:27 PM
So I got to play the demo at SDCC, the wait wasn't as long as I thought (10-15 mins) and it was amazing. We played two four player matches, the first was a practice and the second was for a pin, and I actually won the second match! Items were on and the time was 2:30 (which might be demo only, since we have never set seconds before. We'll see) I played as Pikachu who felt different but better than in sm4sh. The physics did feel a little different, but it will be interesting to get used to. Anyway, the game looks so stunning and I really can't wait to get it!!!

Edit: Also got to play as Kirby, Zelda, Corrin, and Fox! Kirby and Zelda seem better (and good for Kirby cause I'm thinking of maining him, and for Zelda too cause she hasn't been that good in the series) I have never really played Fox and Corrin in sm4sh so can't say how they felt but I didn't do that good with Corrin but won with Fox
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on July 21, 2018, 08:49:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lRFlLsd.png)

good
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 21, 2018, 11:20:56 PM
I already have an idea on how to change that mbst file to something ridiculous.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on July 22, 2018, 02:58:56 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lRFlLsd.png)

good

That is a neat alias on the Boxing Ring.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 22, 2018, 03:12:50 PM
I already have an idea on how to change that mbst file to something ridiculous.
"Something Ridleyculous"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 23, 2018, 05:40:55 AM
So Mario gets his wedding and builder outfit as costume changes....but Dr. Mario remains a separate character...if that doesn’t spell inconsistency I don’t know what does.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 23, 2018, 06:53:03 AM
That's because he's always been a separate character.

Think also of the fact that everyone's numbers. They would all have to be decreased by one from Pichu onwards.

I mean everyone is here, so why reduce Dr Mario to a skin all of a sudden when everyone is supposed to make a playable appearance?

Also he does have slightly different attributes. If you're saying Dr. Mario should be a skin of Mario then that would mean you're that Lucina should be Marth's female alt like they did with Robin and Corrin.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 23, 2018, 09:26:01 AM
Dr. Mario has been separate from Mario since Melee. He's slower, stronger, has pills, electricity, and the tornado, and now a stomp. Costumes can't have differences in move set.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on July 23, 2018, 09:30:26 AM
So Mario gets his wedding and builder outfit as costume changes....but Dr. Mario remains a separate character...if that doesn’t spell inconsistency I don’t know what does.
But how else is Mario going to have a good Down Special?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on July 23, 2018, 01:11:04 PM
So Mario gets his wedding and builder outfit as costume changes....but Dr. Mario remains a separate character...if that doesn’t spell inconsistency I don’t know what does.
But how else is Mario going to have a good Down Special?
Scalding FLUDD is a good down special.  It's a custom move though, so I'm not sure if it's returning in this game.  Mario can still do Mario Tornado anyway (down air attack).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on July 23, 2018, 01:13:21 PM
I can't perform Mario's Down Air on the ground, so it doesn't count.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on July 23, 2018, 01:28:44 PM
By the way, do we know if custom moves are returning?  I liked custom moves because you can actually make FLUDD do damage with them.  That's honestly all I use them for, tbh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on July 23, 2018, 01:56:10 PM
(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/thumb/d/db/SSBUWebsiteMario6.jpg/800px-SSBUWebsiteMario6.jpg)

It bothers me that Mario gets his wedding tux, but Peach doesn't get the Lochlady Dress.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 23, 2018, 02:29:11 PM
So Mario gets his wedding and builder outfit as costume changes....but Dr. Mario remains a separate character...if that doesn’t spell inconsistency I don’t know what does.
But how else is Mario going to have a good Down Special?

FLUDD isn't all that bad of a move though.

LGM can explain better than I can.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 23, 2018, 02:45:18 PM
But how else is Mario going to have a good Down Special?
FLUDD's a great down special, dude.

People think it's too weak to reliably push people off stages. Well, you have to couple that with the Cape. It's a technique called fluping, and it's what makes Mario stand out from Squirtle as being an off-stage disruption, and it also probably makes Mario a better gimper than Squirtle despite Squirtle's more powerful water when it's charged. Also, FLUDD forces an Aqua Jump, which hinders its off-stage effectiveness, but I think it can force edge-guarders out of the way of danger, so Mario's recovery is safer. Not sure about people who just stand there at the ledge, but those that want to jump off stage to hit Mario probably can't if he has FLUDD.

In high-level play, Mario can use the FLUDD to disrupt aerial players (for instance, in Animal Crossing, Mario uses the FLUDD underneath the moving upper platform to force a character upward and set that character up for his aerials). FLUDD almost always puts those characters in a bad spot.

Not denying Scalding FLUDD's effectiveness either, but FLUDD isn't useless as it seems at first glance.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on July 23, 2018, 05:39:31 PM
fludd is all about ruining recoveries.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 23, 2018, 08:12:31 PM
Ike and Ness love FLUDD.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: MnSG on July 23, 2018, 08:50:38 PM
fludd is all about ruining recoveries.

While this is true, F.L.U.D.D. is almost useless for gimping recoveries if the opponent's recovery is good enough to overcome F.L.U.D.D.'s windboxes. Little Mac is probably the most vulnerable to being gimped by F.L.U.D.D., simply because of how atrocious his recovery is. And Cloud can't grab ledges while using Climhazzard, unless he's in Limit Break mode; this obviously leaves him vulnerable to windboxes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on July 23, 2018, 09:32:15 PM
By the way, do we know if custom moves are returning?  I liked custom moves because you can actually make FLUDD do damage with them.  That's honestly all I use them for, tbh.

I think custom moves will not be in Ultimate, but the Miis MAY have custom moves, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: MnSG on July 23, 2018, 10:17:44 PM
The Mii Fighters do receive three sets of pre-determined special moves, but this doesn't exactly mean that custom specials are dead; the pre-determined special moves could potentially receive custom variants with different properties, while keeping the defaults' animations.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 23, 2018, 10:46:45 PM
fludd is all about ruining recoveries.
And Cloud can't grab ledges while using Climhazzard, unless he's in Limit Break mode; this obviously leaves him vulnerable to windboxes.
This has been changed in Ultimate and now he can.

The Mii Fighters do receive three sets of pre-determined special moves, but this doesn't exactly mean that custom specials are dead; the pre-determined special moves could potentially receive custom variants with different properties, while keeping the defaults' animations.
Ummm, I'm pretty sure the Mii customs work the same as they always have, the blog post was just translated poorly. Mii Fighters have customs that work the same as Smash 4, but now they seem to be the only characters to even have custom moves which I'm honestly fine with.

Speaking of the blog, the latest update is just Great Plateau Tower, so nothing we haven't seen already. Just waiting for that music update this week.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on July 23, 2018, 10:51:11 PM
I think customs for each character are gone, and I kind of want them out honestly

never cared about them and would rather have the time spent elsewhere
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 23, 2018, 10:53:51 PM
I might have been more accepting of customs if they were all unlocked from the get go, but honestly I'm fine that they're gone. Most are uninspired, they're a pain to unlock and even if I had them all by default I probably would have never messed around with them much.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 23, 2018, 10:58:53 PM
I'm probably the person who would miss customs the most and didn't want them gone. I loved them, and they added more uniqueness to separate characters. Plus they were fun to mess with.

The unlocking process is ass though, that is what I'll agree with.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on July 24, 2018, 12:26:05 AM
I agree with everything BLOF just said.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 24, 2018, 03:31:18 AM
If there’s a story mode and you’ve gotten so far, imagine when restarting the game you’re spending 5 minutes being notified of the characters you unlocked. That happened to me when playing Brawl for the first time after being halfway done with Subspace.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 24, 2018, 03:47:14 AM
As much as I would love to see a new story mode, it would be extremely unlikely seeing that they would have to implement every character in some way.

It would definitely be an awesome surprise, but I'm not expecting anything like the Subspace Emissary.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 24, 2018, 04:31:12 AM
Here's a question I had for awhile:
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/pikachu/ss_5.jpg)
Pikachu seems to be under the effect of an item that makes him gold, as this stage didn't have this effect in the past.
So, the question is, what item is it and what does it do beyond making you gold?
I'm willing to bet this item is the Golden Flower from NSMB 2 and it will give you a stronger effect version of the Metal Box.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 24, 2018, 05:19:37 AM
One thing is sure tho...

Squirtle and Ivysaur's reactions are p r i c e l e s s.

Seems like we're getting a new item if that is the case however. Unless it's an alt of Pikachu exclusive to this game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 24, 2018, 05:29:01 AM
Actually the real question of that photo is how are Squirtle and Ivysaur both on the same stage at once? Whatever happened to that one Pokémon at a time routine?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 24, 2018, 05:59:43 AM
Huh yeah

Same thing happened in Pokemon Trainer's individual trailer... although that might be how they come in for the Final Smash...

As for here though... yeah... something like that was even done in the Ultimate reveal trailer, when they showed PT's part.

Whatever that implies tho we just gotta wait and see I guess.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on July 24, 2018, 09:13:33 AM
You do know that multiple people can play as the same character right? That is the purpose of alternate costumes, so people can tell each other apart while they’re all playing the same character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: MnSG on July 24, 2018, 09:23:43 AM
I'm probably the person who would miss customs the most and didn't want them gone. I loved them, and they added more uniqueness to separate characters. Plus they were fun to mess with.

The unlocking process is ass though, that is what I'll agree with.

Yeah, the unlocking process was the most tedious part for acquiring the custom special moves. They probably would've had more competitive potential if you didn't have to put in a lot of time to unlock them all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on July 24, 2018, 09:35:56 AM
You do know that multiple people can play as the same character right? That is the purpose of alternate costumes, so people can tell each other apart while they’re all playing the same character.
I think the question is how are both the Squirtle and the Ivysaur of the first Pokemon Trainer colour both out at the same time when you can't pick the same colour as another player, both don't appear at the same time outside of the Pokemon Trainer's final smash which this image isn't showing.

It's probably just a photo taken in a build where that restriction hasn't been applied to the game. Just like how Falco's trailer shows his hitboxes in one scene that likely isn't going to be a feature in the final release.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on July 24, 2018, 11:50:16 AM
You do know that multiple people can play as the same character right? That is the purpose of alternate costumes, so people can tell each other apart while they’re all playing the same character.
I think the question is how are both the Squirtle and the Ivysaur of the first Pokemon Trainer colour both out at the same time when you can't pick the same colour as another player, both don't appear at the same time outside of the Pokemon Trainer's final smash which this image isn't showing.

It's probably just a photo taken in a build where that restriction hasn't been applied to the game. Just like how Falco's trailer shows his hitboxes in one scene that likely isn't going to be a feature in the final release.
There's that Congratulations screen from SSB Wii U for Mega Man (Classic) and Mewtwo (All-Star), which is impossible to recreate in the actual game.
(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/thumb/6/6e/SSB4-Wii_U_Congratulations_All-Star_Mega_Man.png/800px-SSB4-Wii_U_Congratulations_All-Star_Mega_Man.png)
(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/thumb/e/e3/SSB4-Wii_U_Congratulations_Classic_Mewtwo.png/800px-SSB4-Wii_U_Congratulations_Classic_Mewtwo.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on July 24, 2018, 12:44:01 PM
I think the Miis will be starter characters like in Smash 4, when I mean "starter" it means you will have to create a Mii fighter to be playable, no unlock battle just like in Smash 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: MnSG on July 24, 2018, 12:47:36 PM
There's that Congratulations screen from SSB Wii U for Mega Man (Classic) and Mewtwo (All-Star), which is impossible to recreate in the actual game.
(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/thumb/6/6e/SSB4-Wii_U_Congratulations_All-Star_Mega_Man.png/800px-SSB4-Wii_U_Congratulations_All-Star_Mega_Man.png)
(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/thumb/e/e3/SSB4-Wii_U_Congratulations_Classic_Mewtwo.png/800px-SSB4-Wii_U_Congratulations_Classic_Mewtwo.png)

Those aren't the only offenders either. A lot of the Challenges screenshots are literally impossible to recreate without hacking exploits. For example, it's impossible to have Giga Bowser and Giga Mac present at the same time, and yet we have the following screenshot...

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/b/b3/SSB4_Wii_U_Challenge_136.png)

Similarly, Assist Trophies never appear at all in Master Fortress, so you can't recreate the following screenshot, period.

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/7/74/SSB4_Wii_U_Challenge_96.png)

But one of the most notable things that you literally can't recreate involve All-Star mode's rest area, since no more than two players can actually be present there.

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/4/40/SSB4_Wii_U_Challenge_107.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 24, 2018, 01:56:50 PM
The Golden Pikachu is probably an asset from Golden Plains?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: MnSG on July 24, 2018, 02:48:04 PM
The Golden Pikachu is probably an asset from Golden Plains?

I think I've read somewhere that Pikachu's golden appearance has something to do with Xerneas.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 24, 2018, 05:20:38 PM
This is kinda sorta Smash related, I wonder if Etika got a new shelf.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 24, 2018, 09:14:13 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html)
Today's song is a F-Zero melody, with lyrics.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on July 24, 2018, 09:39:02 PM
it's so *bleep*ing dumb and i love it
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on July 24, 2018, 09:53:33 PM
f-zerOOOOOO
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 24, 2018, 09:55:30 PM
The way that song opened, I expected the singers to be like “More than meets the eye” after the way they said “F ZERO!”
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 24, 2018, 11:10:42 PM
For those who haven't heard of the composer and singer, he did the music for DAYTONNNNNNNA

The joke is that F-Zero is a racing game that Sega worked on
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 24, 2018, 11:36:25 PM
This.... this is amazing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 25, 2018, 12:06:17 AM
And for my entire life I have preferred Mute City's music.

Well ain't things the way they are no more.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on July 25, 2018, 02:52:26 AM
https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1021916922911178752 (https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1021916922911178752)
Ultimate is going to be at Evo, which is on August 8, stuff has been revealed at EVO before so you might want to keep an eye out.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 25, 2018, 10:28:11 AM
Well Nintendo's never revealed stuff at EVO. Other companies have, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 25, 2018, 11:31:28 AM
#HeihachileakedforSmashUltimate

Which won't happen, but imagine how funny it would be if that fake leak actually turned out to be true and Heihachi was announced at EVO.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on July 25, 2018, 03:32:56 PM
#HeihachileakedforSmashUltimate

Which won't happen, but imagine how funny it would be if that fake leak actually turned out to be true and Heihachi was announced at EVO.

Those fake leaks are rampant these days, I see several fake leak threads on GameFAQs Ultimate board every day.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 25, 2018, 06:00:54 PM
Eh, it's not more any rampant than in the Brawl days. As long as *bleep*posting communities like 4chan exist, you'll have "fake" "leaks".
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 25, 2018, 11:56:17 PM
I do believe they had some legit leaks in during Brawl tho.

Lucario, Wolf and Sonic were revealed via leaks, I believe but I don't have this much knowledge in the Brawl days leaks so correct me if I'm wrong... I'm sure about Lucario and Wolf tho
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on July 26, 2018, 12:07:42 AM
I do believe they had some legit leaks in during Brawl tho.

Lucario, Wolf and Sonic were revealed via leaks, I believe but I don't have this much knowledge in the Brawl days leaks so correct me if I'm wrong... I'm sure about Lucario and Wolf tho

As someone who was there in the thick of the Sonic for Brawl stuff. I can confirm there was someone who a week or two ago before the announcement said in the very Sonic support thread on Smashboards that Sonic would be revealed on Wednesday, October 10th in 2007. And indeed it happened.

I don't know as much with Wolf and Lucario. But yeah.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on July 26, 2018, 12:30:36 AM
Who was it on here that make that fake Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door 3D leak?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 26, 2018, 12:40:58 AM
Brawl's roster leaked shortly before release, just like Smash 4. People ridiculed the leak roster and the guy who leaked. They scoffed at the idea of Mewtwo being cut and Wolf getting in over Krystal. Most of the hate was directed at R.O.B., which resulted in this famous image:
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/786/874/992.jpg)

People were baffled by the idea that R.O.B. would get in and a huge fan request like Ridley wouldn't. Lo and behold the game releases and the leak is true.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 26, 2018, 01:17:51 AM
Wow.

The salt is real.

But basically that could mean that any fake leak that doesn't go beyond the boundaries of possiblecan be true.

But there's too many that contradict themselves and therefore you can't really trust anyone.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 26, 2018, 01:39:40 AM
They key is that the roster leaks that happened for Brawl and Smash 4 both occurred very close to the release date. Any leak this early on is almost 99.9% fake. I'm sure Ultimate's roster will leak, but it may not be 'till two weeks before release.

The Gematsu leak is the only leak from early in the pre-release cycle that ended up being true, and even some of that info was outdated. Jury's still out on the rumor that mentioned Simon Belmont.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on July 26, 2018, 03:19:40 AM
Most of the hate was directed at R.O.B., which resulted in this famous image:
*img*

People were baffled by the idea that R.O.B. would get in and a huge fan request like Ridley wouldn't. Lo and behold the game releases and the leak is true.
There still seems be a lot of hate towards R.O.B., with him being a popular choice for a character who should be cut before everyone was confirmed to be playable in Smash Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 26, 2018, 08:50:00 AM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/5934da24eb70caddff343d905671198c/tumblr_pafsgogIAE1rfehe0o6_1280.jpg)

Is it safe to assume that Dark Pit will have the same final Smash from Smash 4? I mean Zelda and Sheik's were changed so his is now the only one where "an arrow pierces through the enemies". Just makes sense to keep it now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 26, 2018, 06:40:22 PM
Dunno, they can't be arsed to change Mario's, I don't see why Dark Pit's would be changed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 27, 2018, 04:12:18 PM
I would love it if former wrestler announcer Jim Ross was the announcer and Master Hand in this game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on July 27, 2018, 05:45:59 PM
BAH GAWD THAT KILLED HIM!!!

AS GOD IS MY WITNESS, HE WAS SMASHED IN HALF!!!!


Also I want Snake's tuxedo as an alt costume.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on July 27, 2018, 09:38:59 PM
There is unknowns about the 4 unlockables from the original will be starters in Ultimate as SmashWiki just put the availability on the those fighters unknown. If I was forced to unlock all the characters including said original 4 unlockable characters from the original, I will be pissed off since I have little experience with them aside from my only win with Link in For Fun. But I think the Miis will be starters so I can play as George Jones (When I say that I can play as George Jones it refers to my Mii of him.)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 30, 2018, 12:31:03 AM
lol Sakurai posts Jigglypuff on the Smash website right after Hbox just won a tournament minutes before lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 30, 2018, 12:47:07 AM
"In the right hands of the right players, there really is no need to buff the puff"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on July 30, 2018, 01:54:09 AM
I'm a bit offput by the fact that the official website has no favicon. Unless it's just my computer. Just a nitpick :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on July 30, 2018, 04:40:20 AM
I'm a bit offput by the fact that the official website has no favicon. Unless it's just my computer. Just a nitpick :P
Smash 4 website has a Smash logo as the favicon, while Brawl website has no favicon. Just saying.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 30, 2018, 09:28:50 AM
"In the right hands of the right players, there really is no need to buff the puff"
Nah Smash 4 Puff is still garbage and needs a buff.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on July 30, 2018, 09:55:22 AM
The only problem with Jigglypuff in Sm4sh, is that Screen/Star K.O.s aren’t guaranteed, making rest much worse than it should be.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 30, 2018, 10:09:11 AM
The only problem with Jigglypuff in Sm4sh, is that Screen/Star K.O.s aren’t guaranteed, making rest much worse than it should be.
That's part of it yes, but she still has awful ground speed, abysmal range, terrible survivabilty made worse be rage, and next to no KO options.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 30, 2018, 10:11:17 AM
But well in the end it should all come down to skill. A skilled Puff player should be able to play her no problem.

But I guess you do have a point in that she objectively is one of the worst characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 30, 2018, 10:19:35 AM
Not against characters like Bayonetta and Cloud who are so good and with really easy kills. Yes, a pro player with Jigglypuff will beat a newbie trying out Sheik for the first time, but if the players are of comparable skill, there's no way in hell that Puff is going to win.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on July 30, 2018, 04:30:43 PM
I had a dream last night about this game. Ninten made it as an echo to Ness, K. Rool made it and I was screaming with joy when Banjo and Kazooie made it in...then I woke up and said “dang it!”
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on July 30, 2018, 05:12:34 PM
But well in the end it should all come down to skill. A skilled Puff player should be able to play her no problem.

But I guess you do have a point in that she objectively is one of the worst characters.
Of course it should. Jigglypuff is still not to be underestimated by a skilled player. It's just that on the grand scheme of things, she has trouble netting significant wins. Jigglypuff seems to do better in doubles, where mobility helps more as well as Rest support, but I don't know who's worse in doubles...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on July 30, 2018, 05:32:00 PM
is that Screen/Star K.O.s aren’t guaranteed, making rest much worse than it should be.

This change should have never happened in the first place.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: YoshiFan2012 on July 30, 2018, 05:35:41 PM
Defintely can't wait for that game!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 31, 2018, 07:17:24 AM
So...

Is the Smash blog down now? Because last update we got was Jigglypuff, which was two days ago!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on July 31, 2018, 09:24:22 AM
So...

Is the Smash blog down now? Because last update we got was Jigglypuff, which was two days ago!

There was a bit of weirdness last night. At around 9 PM EST they put up the Fake Smash Ball item.

But then like less then an hour later, they pulled it from every site except the Japanese version of the site. And right now that still seems to be the case.

Very odd, it's not like there was a translation error or anything as those who know Japanese compared the English and Japanese descriptions and they were mostly accurate to one another. So who knows what the reason was for. It probably doesn't mean anything big really, but still an odd day to say the least.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on July 31, 2018, 09:30:36 PM
The site finally updated with the Fake Smash Ball and now a Galaga medley.

The Galaga medley is excellent, btw. Can't wait to hear the full thing.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on July 31, 2018, 09:46:58 PM
Ok yeah this is great. One of the best tracks so far imo
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on July 31, 2018, 09:47:44 PM
that man is playing an excellent galaga remix
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on July 31, 2018, 11:22:00 PM
dang this is good.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on July 31, 2018, 11:33:07 PM
...







Yeah dat cool
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on August 01, 2018, 01:43:36 AM
It's so good! It is perfect for a potential Galaga stage (or Pac-Maze).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on August 01, 2018, 04:41:17 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Di_WB--VAAA7jY8.jpg)
Looks like the Arwings on this stage have been updated to match their design in Zero
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 01, 2018, 10:04:03 AM
Ah the jankiest legal stage returns.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 01, 2018, 12:34:33 PM
love that stage, hopefully the stage transitions will be in this game's 8-player smash
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 01, 2018, 04:37:26 PM
I would love it if that stage or any other Star Fox stage to include music from Star Fox Adventures. Like Meteo (Rock version), Thorntail Hallow (Afternoon and Night versions are my favorite), Darkice Mines, Krazoa Palace, Krazoa Shrine.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 01, 2018, 10:47:31 PM
So Wario is today's character update on the blog, likely to coincide with the release of WarioWare Gold.

Hey Sakuari, isn't there some other character from the WarioWare series you want to show off? Hmmmmm???

It's Ashley in case you didn't know.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 01, 2018, 11:57:22 PM
Yeah, I want to see the return of the Gamer stage and the killer mom.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: CamTro on August 02, 2018, 12:08:58 AM
I'm probably only one who is so slow to realize the star/stage ko by background I never noticed until I did, they changed spin to frontal spin.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 02, 2018, 12:11:21 AM
Yeah, it's sorta like Corrin's Star KO animation in Smash 4 except more explicit that it's tumbling away from you rather than showing the side.

I wonder how characters that normally face towards you (Kirby, Ice Climbers, Jigglypuff) will animate...

either way, I adore the new Star KO animation. Additionally, they made a Boss Galaga carry the Star KO'd guy away during the animation and that's hilarious too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on August 02, 2018, 09:22:10 PM
Rodin's assist trophy is the blog post today

...AND Delfino Plaza has been stealth confirmed. Fully expected it to come back, but glad to have confirmation regardless
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 02, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
Rodin assist shown..... I sleep

Delfino gets announced...... REAL *bleep*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 02, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
Both are great and I'll be looking forward to them.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 02, 2018, 10:40:34 PM
So this brings confirmed stages up to 85.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 03, 2018, 09:04:33 PM
https://www.twitch.tv/evo (https://www.twitch.tv/evo)

Smash Ultimate exhibition starting soon. Pretty sure it's just the E3 build, but hey more gameplay footage is nice, especially from high level Smash players.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on August 03, 2018, 09:13:32 PM
I don't know why some people think that something will get revealed at EVO which is happening now. I doubt anything will get revealed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 03, 2018, 09:34:30 PM
Yeah, people are getting hopes up. I'm just here for more gameplay.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on August 04, 2018, 02:59:30 AM
Nothing new got revealed but we did see what happened when Palika turns the stage upside down when Frigrate Operation also turns up sidedown, it's like fighting on the ceiling
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 04, 2018, 10:01:01 AM
Yeah the Frigate / Palkia double flip was super trippy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on August 04, 2018, 07:54:41 PM
I wonder how All-Star mode will function with all of those characters in Ultimate. I hope it was like in Brawl, sorted by series and continues are allowed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: MnSG on August 04, 2018, 09:12:27 PM
I wonder how All-Star mode will function with all of those characters in Ultimate. I hope it was like in Brawl, sorted by series and continues are allowed.

I'd rather have Melee's randomness return.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on August 05, 2018, 02:28:11 AM
I like Smash 4's ordering, which had you battling against opponents in reverse-chronological order.  That should be the order in Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 05, 2018, 01:30:59 PM
I don't want All-Stars Mode back.

Or those "Beat X with all characters" "challenges".
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on August 05, 2018, 01:34:11 PM
this has nothing to do with anything

but

With the the graphical overhaul that the Melee stages are getting, I need Brinstar Depths.  Poor Kraid hasn't been seen since Zero Mission.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 05, 2018, 01:37:46 PM
There's a new Brinstar Depths remix so there's hope. We've only seen three Metroid stages in the game so far, plenty of room for another.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on August 05, 2018, 04:49:11 PM
https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1026202051884150784

There's a Smash Direct Wednesday at 7am Pacific / 10am Eastern :D
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on August 05, 2018, 05:20:20 PM
I hope we don't have to deal with the Wii U Classic Mode again. What was up with that?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on August 05, 2018, 06:53:57 PM
I hope we don't have to deal with the Wii U Classic Mode again. What was up with that?

It was terrible, while I have no problem beating it on 9.0 on the 3DS, it is near impossible to do it in the Wii U version due to hellish fights before the Fighting Mii Team, and don't tell me about the last transformation of Master Core on that version, Master Fortress. It is near impossible, even with two lives.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on August 05, 2018, 07:30:52 PM
Took them long enough to announce K. Rool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 05, 2018, 07:33:13 PM
https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1026202051884150784

There's a Smash Direct Wednesday at 7am Pacific / 10am Eastern :D
LETS *bleep*ING GO
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Glowsquid on August 05, 2018, 09:22:10 PM
Trying (and failing) to prevent myself from being hyped by the possibility of an ashley reveal wednesday
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 05, 2018, 10:51:21 PM
I honestly think the most likely reveal is either Ashley or a Gen VII Pokémon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on August 05, 2018, 10:56:40 PM
Let's not forget this guy here...

(https://wikirby.com/w/images/e/e6/Dream_Friend_Bandana.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on August 05, 2018, 11:15:37 PM
I honestly think the most likely reveal is either Ashley or a Gen VII Pokémon.

Same here, though leaning towards Ashley; she's a pretty common suggestion, and given Gold just came out now would be the perfect time to reveal her if she made the cut

Certainly would be down with her, she's not quite one of my most wanted but I think she'd be a good and fun addition overall
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Grima on August 05, 2018, 11:20:19 PM
Trying (and failing) to prevent myself from being hyped by the possibility of an ashley reveal wednesday
she's just an assist trophy

she's just an assist trophy
she's just an assist trophy
she's just an assist trophy
she's just an assist trophy

she's just an assist trophy

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 06, 2018, 12:11:52 AM
I hope we don't have to deal with the Wii U Classic Mode again. What was up with that?

It was terrible, while I have no problem beating it on 9.0 on the 3DS, it is near impossible to do it in the Wii U version due to hellish fights before the Fighting Mii Team, and don't tell me about the last transformation of Master Core on that version, Master Fortress. It is near impossible, even with two lives.

I like how when you mod your character, the easiest part of the Master Core fight, the Master Shadow, becomes the most difficult part of it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 06, 2018, 01:23:42 AM
I wonder if they’ll announce a story mode.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: saltypepper on August 06, 2018, 04:32:38 AM
if there ever is a story mode, i sure hope it's better planned out, as brawl's felt very generic

"hey what's your favorite area in subspace?"
"oh you know The Plains"

also i'm really hype for the direct. i don't know about characters but i'll hopefully be glad with anything they pull out

maybe a demo???
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on August 06, 2018, 09:20:46 AM
I wonder how All-Star mode will function with all of those characters in Ultimate. I hope it was like in Brawl, sorted by series and continues are allowed.

My guess is you'll fight them in numerical order (i.e. the order they first appeared in Smash).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 06, 2018, 10:47:49 AM
I mean, I'm hyped and all, but a full length Direct with just Smash...isn't appetizing.

Anyway, on the bright side, PLEASE tell me I'm not the only one going back to Sm4sh for training.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 06, 2018, 10:51:52 AM
I mean, I'm hyped and all, but a full length Direct with just Smash...isn't appetizing.
I don't know about you guys, but this exactly what I needed and wanted.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 06, 2018, 01:01:38 PM
What I would love in the beginning of that direct is they would recreate the character showcase like they did at E3 but make it entirely on newcomers. But I can’t get my hopes up for that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on August 06, 2018, 01:03:59 PM
What I would love in the beginning of that direct is they would recreate the character showcase like they did at E3 but make it entirely on newcomers. But I can’t get my hopes up for that.

That would likely mean they're revealing the rest of the roster right then and there though. Feel like they may at least want to space it a out a bit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 06, 2018, 01:06:18 PM
Or Sakurai is sick of leakers, says screw it, and just reveals the whole roster.

Not that something like that would happen, but imagine.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on August 06, 2018, 02:21:00 PM
I've probably mentioned this too much already but there's still something inside me that's holding onto the hope that they'll suddenly reveal Waluigi as the obligatory character who no one expected, but with the difference that he was unexpected because he was apparently de-confirmed instead of the previous unexpected choices like Wii Fit Trainer and Mr. Game & Watch who no one expected period. I'm not getting my hopes up though, since this is really unlikely.

As far as other more realistic reveals I'd like to see, I'd be happy if it were Shovel Knight. Rayman or K. Rool would be cool too.

   
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on August 06, 2018, 02:21:19 PM
Anyway, on the bright side, PLEASE tell me I'm not the only one going back to Sm4sh for training.
Nope, you're not.

When I first got Smash Wii U back in 2014, I didn't really get into it much.  Especially considering that I got Mario Kart 8 the same day.  There was some fun multiplayer action, but I was never really a fan of fighting games.  It did introduce me to the Kirby games though, and I should give it credit for that; I even remember getting on the game just for the Kirby's Adventure demo.

When Smash Ultimate was first revealed in the March Direct, I wasn't really that hyped.  I mean, no one knew anything about it other than the Inklings.  But in the June Direct at E3, I was so hyped for Smash Ultimate that I grabbed my copy of Smash Wii U and thought, "Better make up for lost time!"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on August 06, 2018, 02:22:22 PM
I mean, I'm hyped and all, but a full length Direct with just Smash...isn't appetizing.

Anyway, on the bright side, PLEASE tell me I'm not the only one going back to Sm4sh for training.
im kinda exicted but tbh this is probs just gonna be about 40 minutes of gameplay/new modes that i dont really care about and then an actual character trailer at the end so i'd rather have a regular direct too yeah
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Hooded Pitohui on August 06, 2018, 02:51:58 PM
I've probably mentioned this too much already but there's still something inside me that's holding onto the hope that they'll suddenly reveal Waluigi as the obligatory character who no one expected, but with the difference that he was unexpected because he was apparently de-confirmed instead of the previous unexpected choices like Wii Fit Trainer and Mr. Game & Watch who no one expected period. I'm not getting my hopes up though, since this is really unlikely.

I don’t know about Waluigi, but the point you bring up about the unexpected characters is something I've been thinking quite a bit about with Ultimate. Melee had Game and Watch, Brawl had ROB, and Smash 4 had Wii Fit Trainer. At this point, having a character no one's really expecting feels a bit like tradition. While I'm not expecting many additions to the roster (and don't really think there needs to be many), I'd like to see at least one unexpected reveal along the lines of these previous characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 06, 2018, 02:54:37 PM
Eh, if newcomer spots are really small this go around, I'd rather they focus on hyped and demanded characters like K. Rool, Isaac, etc.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on August 06, 2018, 02:59:49 PM
Weeeell, using Waluigi is the only way they can have an unexpected character and a hyped and demanded character at the same time, so...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on August 06, 2018, 03:16:39 PM
Weeeell, using Waluigi is the only way they can have an unexpected character and a hyped and demanded character at the same time, so...
Wait, so you're telling me people don't want Tingle?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 06, 2018, 03:22:10 PM
Tingle would be hype and a much better choice than Waluigi.

Really I'll take any Zelda newcomer. Impa, Ganon, Tingle, Skull Kid, Tetra, someone.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on August 06, 2018, 03:29:41 PM
You know, I used to support Tingle... but then I realized he really had no reason to be playable. I mean, yeah, he had his own obscure games, but there are a lot of better potential Zelda newcomers than him. I wanted Midna, but of course she's also still stuck as an Assist...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 06, 2018, 03:59:57 PM
Weeeell, using Waluigi is the only way they can have an unexpected character and a hyped and demanded character at the same time, so...
Wait, so you're telling me people don't want Tingle?
Tingle is actually hated in these parts, if it's still true today.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 06, 2018, 04:00:04 PM
Outside of the triforce holders, the only real reoccurring characters are Impa and Tingle. Sakurai seems to avoid one off characters who aren't the protagonist of their own game. The only exception I can think of is Sheik, and she started as part of Zelda's moveset. Tingle has been in five main series Zelda games, had cameos in others, playable in Hyrule Warriors, and has three games of his own. He's certainly qualified.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on August 06, 2018, 04:13:36 PM
if sakurai is adverse to adding studly men like waluigi to smash, theres no way tingle has a chance

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on August 06, 2018, 05:08:17 PM
I see a lot of hope for Simon Belmont and Ashley to be revealed tomorrow, but I have my doubts about it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 06, 2018, 05:26:47 PM
I believe Banjo Kazooie could be added, but I’m not expecting them at this direct so soon.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 06, 2018, 05:49:03 PM
A lesser known feature from Sm4sh that I want in Ultimate would be the ability to attribute control changes to different names to use while playing (E.G., B and Y are only swapped if you select the name "Waluigi")
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on August 06, 2018, 05:52:40 PM
I can't say Tingle isn't qualified, but he never has a very important role in the games, so he'd be really out of place when all we have now are the Triforce 3 and their variations. Of course, any character would be a little out of place, but I feel like a character who actually had an important role in a main Zelda game fits better. That being said, I wouldn't actually have a problem if they did add him; it'd be more amusing then anything else.

Honestly, I think the one-offs are the best choice for a Zelda newcomer. Impa's role also never feels very important with the exception of Skyward Sword and I just find the character boring. Ganon could work but I'm just not that big on the idea, maybe because I find Ganondorf to be cooler than the big blue pig monster. Therefore, I would prefer having one-offs. I think the best choice of these would be Midna & Wolf Link, followed by Tetra, Skull Kid, and Ghirahim in that order (others such as Vaati aren't good choices imo). I would put a BOTW character, but there being four Champions makes that impossible since you can't have all four and you can't have only one.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on August 06, 2018, 05:57:42 PM
A lot of people think that Goku will get in, but he didn't come from a video game, so that is out of the window.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 06, 2018, 06:02:59 PM
I can't say Tingle isn't qualified, but he never has a very important role in the games, so he'd be really out of place when all we have now are the Triforce 3 and their variations. Of course, any character would be a little out of place, but I feel like a character who actually had an important role in a main Zelda game fits better. That being said, I wouldn't actually have a problem if they did add him; it'd be more amusing then anything else.

Honestly, I think the one-offs are the best choice for a Zelda newcomer. Impa's role also never feels very important with the exception of Skyward Sword and I just find the character boring. Ganon could work but I'm just not that big on the idea, maybe because I find Ganondorf to be cooler than the big blue pig monster. Therefore, I would prefer having one-offs. I think the best choice of these would be Midna & Wolf Link, followed by Tetra, Skull Kid, and Ghirahim in that order (others such as Vaati aren't good choices imo). I would put a BOTW character, but there being four Champions makes that impossible since you can't have all four and you can't have only one.

I dunno, multiple in one character works for Pokemon Trainer and Ice Climbers. Maybe it'd work for the BotW champions. If not, add them as separate characters!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Alex95 on August 07, 2018, 12:15:34 AM
+Daisy

-Bayonetta
*bleep* no

Heh, we're both not 100% satisfied :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on August 07, 2018, 12:31:00 AM
Hmmm... unexpected characters...
So you're saying Maxwell and Aloy might have a chance?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 07, 2018, 12:35:55 AM
Heh, we're both not 100% satisfied :P
My guess would be that he's objecting more to the cut than the addition.

I'm glad Bayo isn't cut. She needs nerfs, not an outright cut.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 07, 2018, 02:41:16 AM
I think people are underestimating Shrek for an unexpected character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on August 07, 2018, 03:08:04 AM
There is a reason why non video game characters don't get in beyond not fitting the theme.
Licensing, basically why you won't see any non OG Super Robot Wars games and why Tatsunko vs. Capcom barley made it to the west, while third party deals can be a pain in the butt, the company who made that games owns the rights, not so much with other stuff, let's say Nintendo wanted to put Goku in the game somehow, who do they go to? Toei, who makes the anime? Shouen Jump, who makes the manga? Namco, who makes the games? Funimation, who does the dub, or Fox who has the right to the movies who just got bought out by Disney, it's a mess.
I would be fine with Mii Fighters getting costumes based on non game stuff but otherwise, I don't see it happening.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 07, 2018, 03:50:42 AM
There is a reason why non video game characters don't get in beyond not fitting the theme.
Licensing, basically why you won't see any non OG Super Robot Wars games and why Tatsunko vs. Capcom barley made it to the west, while third party deals can be a pain in the butt, the company who made that games owns the rights, not so much with other stuff, let's say Nintendo wanted to put Goku in the game somehow, who do they go to? Toei, who makes the anime? Shouen Jump, who makes the manga? Namco, who makes the games? Funimation, who does the dub, or Fox who has the right to the movies who just got bought out by Disney, it's a mess.
I would be fine with Mii Fighters getting costumes based on non game stuff but otherwise, I don't see it happening.
I’m just making a Shrek joke. Because the memes will never be ogre.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on August 07, 2018, 04:51:09 AM
Todays blog post is about the Bomber item: https://www.smashbros.com/en_GB/blog/index.html?category=cat03_item (https://www.smashbros.com/en_GB/blog/index.html?category=cat03_item)

(https://i.imgur.com/FMdz6u2.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 07, 2018, 09:19:43 AM
Todays blog post is about the Bomber item: https://www.smashbros.com/en_GB/blog/index.html?category=cat03_item (https://www.smashbros.com/en_GB/blog/index.html?category=cat03_item)

(https://i.imgur.com/FMdz6u2.png)

Wait a minute! In the E3 Direct it showed Kirby inhaling a Bomber. At the time I thought it was a taunt, but does this mean that you can now inhale items? Or has that always been a thing?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Alex95 on August 07, 2018, 09:32:57 AM
Kirby's been able to inhale most items since Brawl, iirc. Same with Dedede and Wario.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 07, 2018, 12:48:25 PM
Okay, out of curiosity I discovered almost exactly what percentage of E3 was devoted to Smash. For those interested, it was about 60%.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 07, 2018, 03:27:15 PM
The more explosions the Bay-ter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 07, 2018, 09:56:34 PM
As much as I am hyped for tomorrow. The real hype for this direct is Etika.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on August 07, 2018, 11:41:56 PM
I'll just mention there's a spoiler likely for the next direct out there, a slip-up on someones part gives away a character that's probably going to be revealed.

So stay away from stuff until then if that's your thing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 07, 2018, 11:54:52 PM
Yep, my friend mentioned there's a leak floating out there in the wild. Going on internet blackout until the Direct. See you guys then!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 08, 2018, 10:30:00 AM
I wanted Captain Toad.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on August 08, 2018, 10:31:00 AM
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: saltypepper on August 08, 2018, 10:32:49 AM
Still freaking out over the troll with Dedede.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on August 08, 2018, 10:33:01 AM
I wanted Captain Toad.
At last be grateful that we got FIVE character reveals in one direct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on August 08, 2018, 10:43:05 AM
i can't believe luigi is *bleep*ing dead

there's belmonts and some echoes and chrom has been chromfirmed

gonna pour one out for zero and shovel knight, they were my other 2 most wanted characters and i was kinda bummed about that

but then the screen started to shake and it showed a villains montage

then it cut to dk and diddy and i just knew

and he was there.  and that remix is god-tier.


With the the graphical overhaul that the Melee stages are getting, I need Brinstar Depths.  Poor Kraid hasn't been seen since Zero Mission.

WE GOT 'EM
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on August 08, 2018, 10:49:51 AM
So glad Chrom and Dark Samus are in, they're the two characters I was expecting/hoping to appear as Echo Fighters!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 08, 2018, 11:05:07 AM
I'm fine, really. I just sorta expected it, ya know?

In other news, that blurred out dark green button was the same color as the Smash Run select button...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 08, 2018, 11:13:36 AM
BRINSTAR DEPTHS! PIRATE SHIP! FOUNTAIN OF DREAMS!

CHROM! DARK SAMUS!

SIMON BELMONT AND RICHTER!

KING

K.

ROOL
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on August 08, 2018, 11:15:19 AM
The King has returned.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Dorayaki on August 08, 2018, 11:35:47 AM
While I am indeed pleased by Rool's entry, what fans have been concerned is his absence in the two DKC Return games so far. If Nintendo recognize his status as a big boss, hope that he can return in the next DKC title or maybe a new entry to Mario Kart 9 as well.


Oh I do feel abit sad it's not Dixie, anyway.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 08, 2018, 11:48:32 AM
BRINSTAR DEPTHS! PIRATE SHIP! FOUNTAIN OF DREAMS!

CHROM! DARK SAMUS!

SIMON BELMONT AND RICHTER!

KING

K.

ROOL


*Imagining the Lion King*

Long
Live
The King...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lario on August 08, 2018, 11:49:41 AM
The king's finally in, my dudes.  8)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 08, 2018, 11:51:52 AM
While I am indeed pleased by Rool's entry, what fans have been concerned is his absence in the two DKC Return games so far. If Nintendo recognize his status as a big boss, hope that he can return in the next DKC title or maybe a new entry to Mario Kart 9 as well.


Oh I do feel abit sad it's not Dixie, anyway.

I was silently hoping that it was both, and that DK and Diddy would look and see Dixie beckoning them to help her fight K. Rool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on August 08, 2018, 12:05:25 PM
Interesting bit of triva: Castlevania is the first third party franchise to have more than one character and the first franchise since Melee with Fire Emblem to have more than one character from the series debut in the same game as the series itself.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on August 08, 2018, 12:09:32 PM
For the stages, it is sad that Pac-Maze and Rainbow Road from the 3DS version will not return. :(
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on August 08, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
Interesting bit of triva: Castlevania is the first third party franchise to have more than one character and the first franchise since Melee with Fire Emblem to have more than one character from the series debut in the same game as the series itself.

Fine with me, Castlevania is one of the greatest video game series ever.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gellert Grindelwald on August 08, 2018, 12:10:49 PM
*crying silently in the corner due to lack of waluigi*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on August 08, 2018, 12:17:03 PM
My thoughts on the characters:

Simon/Richter - completely neutral on

Chrom - ok with, not surprising

Dark Samus - hyped for

King K. Rool - very hyped for
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Dorayaki on August 08, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
would look and see Dixie beckoning them to help her fight K. Rool.
Not too confident in Dixie announced in E3 since two reps of same franchise in the same time rarely happens. Maybe next time, tho.

Remind me we're not getting many new girls (not counting echo/skine). If not Dixie hope we'll have Mona or Ashley.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on August 08, 2018, 12:32:03 PM
would look and see Dixie beckoning them to help her fight K. Rool.
Not too confident in Dixie announced in E3 since two reps of same franchise in the same time rarely happens. Maybe next time, tho.

Remind me we're not getting many new girls (not counting echo/skine). If not Dixie hope we'll have Mona or Ashley.

If Dixie's an echo fighter though. That may not be such a problem. Chrom even showed they don't necessarily have to echo off just the character they are assigned to as an Echo (He has both Roy and Ike moves)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: NSY on August 08, 2018, 12:36:37 PM
would look and see Dixie beckoning them to help her fight K. Rool.
Not too confident in Dixie announced in E3 since two reps of same franchise in the same time rarely happens. Maybe next time, tho.

Remind me we're not getting many new girls (not counting echo/skine). If not Dixie hope we'll have Mona or Ashley.
Ashley had been deconfirmed and is an assist trophy. I think a second Wario rep is very unlikely.

To see Simon Belmont appear is a bit of a shock personally. K Rool on the other hand I saw coming from a mile away.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 08, 2018, 12:39:07 PM
I don't where to begin, everything's just so great.
The Dedede fake was beautiful as well, as was K.Rool's Final Smash (DK Island got Neo Bowser Castle'd).
Also, Classic Mode's approach this time around looks cool. Makes me wonder what everyone's runs will be called.
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Super Mario Bros. on August 08, 2018, 12:44:19 PM
ALL HAIL KING K. ROOL

 8)

The only other additions that would get me just as hyped are Banjo-Kazooie and REGGIE. But K. Rool's addition is an overdue and welcome character in my books.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: NSY on August 08, 2018, 12:58:24 PM
Most of the third party representation are from the most popular third party published games on Nintendo consoles. The Belmonts and Mega Man from NES,  Ryu from SNES, Sonic and Bayonetta from more recent generations. Banjo and Kazooie (ignoring licensed  characters) are probably now the biggest characters to appear on a Nintendo console. However Rare’s being owned my Mircosoft has prevented them from appearing. In the past I would of absolutely of ruled them out of appearing but considering Nintendo’s work with loads of other third parties and getting their characters inas well as Nintendo agreeing with Mircosoft to introduce cross play between the Swith and Xbox One for Minecraft then I think there’s now a genuine chance but I wouldn’t get your hopes up for it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on August 08, 2018, 01:03:54 PM
(https://imgur.com/NcWgvNY.jpg)

R.I.P playable Captain Toad
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Grima on August 08, 2018, 01:20:47 PM
yeah no ashley was expected lol

but im okay with richter who is like the castlevania rep i never knew i wanted, he's cute
K. Rool's trailer was excellent as well

i'm probably more bummed about there being no rhythm heaven stage or much of anything else, assuming each fighter has a home stage and all of the stages have been shown off (103 stages rounded to 100 looks very good on paper for them not to compromise)

but holy *bleep* chrom!!! (i hope robin's new final smash summons grima)
and dark samus
and all of those stages and QoL adjustments and stuff

this will be the best game of all time
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 08, 2018, 01:22:40 PM
Honestly with all veterans, Ridley and K. Rool in now, this roster is perfect for me. There's other characters I'd like but anyone else is just icing on the cake for me. Though Ashley and Captain Toad being out of the running now still sucks. I had high hopes for them.

I will say, the focus on fan demanded characters tells me this is the best chance characters like Isaac and Geno have ever had.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Dorayaki on August 08, 2018, 01:33:38 PM
Ashley had been deconfirmed and is an assist trophy. I think a second Wario rep is very unlikely.
Geese I forgot that. :'( I wouldn't mind another Wario girl come in, tho.

R.I.P playable Captain Toad
Nice :'( I wonder if this is a call for enough Mario reps with Daisy and KingKRool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 08, 2018, 01:48:15 PM
Most of the third party representation are from the most popular third party published games on Nintendo consoles. The Belmonts and Mega Man from NES,  Ryu from SNES, Sonic and Bayonetta from more recent generations. Banjo and Kazooie (ignoring licensed  characters) are probably now the biggest characters to appear on a Nintendo console. However Rare’s being owned my Mircosoft has prevented them from appearing. In the past I would of absolutely of ruled them out of appearing but considering Nintendo’s work with loads of other third parties and getting their characters inas well as Nintendo agreeing with Mircosoft to introduce cross play between the Swith and Xbox One for Minecraft then I think there’s now a genuine chance but I wouldn’t get your hopes up for it.
I think the boss of Microsoft (Philip Spencer?) already gave his blessing for them to appear if Sakurai wants.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 08, 2018, 01:54:41 PM
(https://smashboards.com/attachments/yup-2-jpg.156272/)

Blessed image
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 08, 2018, 02:41:12 PM
(https://imgur.com/NcWgvNY.jpg)

R.I.P playable Captain Toad

...it's...treason, then....
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on August 08, 2018, 03:21:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UQ2BuQj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xsLczT1.jpg)

The major adjustments between June 13 version (top) and August 8 version (bottom), besides the recently announced newcomers:
-Mii Gunner is now below Mewtwo
-Mii Brawler is now above Mii Swordfighter
-Diddy is now behind Sheik
-Young Link is now in front of Shulk (Richter takes Young Link's place)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: HG-The-Hamster on August 08, 2018, 03:26:24 PM
(https://imgur.com/NcWgvNY.jpg)

R.I.P playable Captain Toad
RIP my chances of seeing my favorite character ever being rep in Smash

My brother is pretty happy about King K Rool tho :0
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Roll and Maria Renard on August 08, 2018, 03:34:31 PM
Here is some justice for Roll and Maria Renard.


I really want these two characters.
They need to be female representations of Castlevania and Mega Man respectively.
Maria needs to be in her SOTN design while Roll can be in her classic design.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 08, 2018, 04:17:15 PM
(https://imgur.com/NcWgvNY.jpg)

R.I.P playable Captain Toad

...it's...treason, then....

Remember Toon Link is on the Spirit Train stage...don’t give up on Captain Toad just yet.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 08, 2018, 04:17:28 PM
Klump: King K. Roooool! Your royal roughness! Supreme Scaliness?!

*K. Rool fusses around in his room*

Krusha: He’s in a baaaad mood.
Klump: My news will cheer him up el pronto. Sir! General Klump reporting! I have some news and it is in the A1 rank of importance sir!
K. Rool: Klump! Didn’t I say no news, no calls, no tyranny until tomorrow?! It’s a bad villain day!
Klump: Uhhh But sir, I...I really think you’re gonna like this—
K. Rool: Listen you incompetent Cretin! I want to be left alone! That means no one! Nothing! No interruptions!
Klump: But sir I really think you’re gonna like this news! It’s regarding Smash—
K. Rool: GOOOOO AWAAAAAAYYYY!!
Klump: Guess we inform Sakurai that he’s not interested in Smash Bros.

*K. Rool enters with skepticism*

K. Rool: Smash Bros? *Klump shows letter from Sakurai to K. Rool* I hold victory, success! *laughs* At long last, I, King K. Rool am a new character in Smash Bros! *Laughs evilly*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 08, 2018, 04:33:34 PM
King K. Rool being revealed is pretty dang amazing, so glad he got in.

Though Brinstar Depths reveal is the thing I'm actually hyped most about for whatever reason. Right LGM?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: saltypepper on August 08, 2018, 04:43:23 PM
These new characters are really cool, but I'm also excited for the other gameplay stuff.

I'm so glad that finally we can save a custom ruleset for the game. All changes are at a simple button press (but I am hoping for the ruleset can be saved as the default ruleset for the console).

Final Smash meters seem really cool, and seem like a great way to keep everyone on their toes even if there's one really good person playing in the party. I'm also glad they made it less powerful than a regular Final Smash since constantly getting Super Sonic would not be so pleasant.

Squad Strike seems like a beefed up version of All Star Smash from Project M (in which you change characters after each stock), and if we get a little more specific, the final battle of Smash Tour where all of your characters are put as a stock. I liked All Star Smash so I might try this one out but I'm fine with sticking with the same character.

Smashdown definitely seems fun. Instead of just picking your mains, now you have to constantly randomize your choices. Seems like a lot of fun (and a lot of "HEY YOU PICKED MY CHARACTER" moments).

Tourney Mode is back, which me and my friends had a lot of fun with, so that's a plus too. (rotation please?)

Also glad Training mode got beefed up and will now display knockback and juicy stuff like that. Maybe they'll do hitboxes too??

All in all I'm glad they're catering a lot more to the competitive scene while adding more stuff for the casuals to have fun with. I'm more competitive but in the event I'm having a party I'm sure these modes will spice things up and keep people from getting bored.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 08, 2018, 05:18:14 PM
We need a better stamina mode.

And that stamina mode should return the yelling characters make when they die because that's fun, but not so fun in Smash 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 08, 2018, 05:30:47 PM
That has to be a new Story Mode they blurred. Saving that for another Smash Direct in November I’m assuming.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 08, 2018, 05:32:44 PM
I’m so happy Classic Mode is back to the way it always has been in the Smash series!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on August 08, 2018, 05:46:43 PM
i really hope dark samus has a "prime 2 final boss" skin

that would be so dope

(https://i.imgur.com/cWSXXLv.png)

also kraid looks so good
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on August 08, 2018, 06:28:38 PM
King K Rool hasn't been in a game for 10 years, guys. Mario Super Sluggers was his last appearance. Let that sink in. Don't ask what it wants.

Squad Strike is pretty much how my brother and I tried to use tourney, but now we don't have to worry about having our selected characters duel each other.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 08, 2018, 06:54:31 PM
That has to be a new Story Mode they blurred. Saving that for another Smash Direct in November I’m assuming.
The option's green, like Smash Run and Smash Tour, and isn't tucked away under Games & More like how Adventure Mode was under Solo in previous games/Classic is under Game & More.
I might be wrong, but I don't think it'll be an Adventure Mode.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 08, 2018, 07:03:06 PM
That has to be a new Story Mode they blurred. Saving that for another Smash Direct in November I’m assuming.
The option's green, like Smash Run and Smash Tour, and isn't tucked away under Games & More like how Adventure Mode was under Solo in previous games/Classic is under Game & More.
I might be wrong, but I don't think it'll be an Adventure Mode.
Why would they keep that mode a mystery? I don’t think people really care about that mode, so hyping mystery mode up only to reveal it as the one mode that got mixed reception is really not worth hiding.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on August 08, 2018, 07:19:53 PM
Someone enhanced the image and manages to see the mode is called "Spirits". That's very vague though and hard to tell what it is from that name alone. But it's likely not exactly a return of Smash Run or Smash Tour. My guesses currently that it is some kind of take on an adventure mode that includes bosses and stuff. But kind of doubtful it's a big story mode of any kind on Subspace's level.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 08, 2018, 08:35:24 PM
ey

Smash Run on Switch would be all the hype dude
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on August 08, 2018, 10:00:23 PM
I think a neat use of amiibo that don't have playable characters is scanning them gets you their trophy instantly, we already know Waluigi and Shovel Knight will have ones, so it makes sense, plus it can  add stuff like Tiki and Chibi Robo to the game without making them playable.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on August 08, 2018, 11:03:22 PM
- Simon Belmont is in, which means that one leaker was right. Also having two characters from one 3rd-party series is actually pretty significant. I wouldn't be surprised if Shadow gets revealed as a Sonic Echo later.
- Chrom and Dark Samus aren't very surprising choices for Echos. Oh yeah and Fire Emblem is now tied with Pokemon for 2nd place in number of reps (if you count Pokemon Trainer as one character). Hoo boy.
- That's a lot of stages, man. And all of them are available for 8-player Smash. I know a certain pair of users are happy about that...
- There's so much music; it's beautiful. I mean, with all that Splatoon music, I hope we're getting Tidal Rush! It was also a good call to make music from a series play at all stages from that series.
- It makes way more sense for Stamina to be with Stock and Time than where it was before.
- Final Smash Meter was unexpected and it reminds me of other fighting games. I wonder whether or not it will be used in the competitive scene?
- Shovel Knight is an Assist Trophy and that means my top 4 most wanted fighters are confirmed as Assists and I am officially dead inside.
- King K. Rool is lookin' pretty cool. That was a great trailer, and it looks like they're taking a lot of inspiration from his games for the moveset. The non-echo newcomer roster for this game is looking very strong (if not exactly appealing to my desires). It's just hit after hit with Inkling, Ridley, K. Rool, and to a slightly lesser degree, Simon Belmont.   
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 08, 2018, 11:22:18 PM
Someone enhanced the image and manages to see the mode is called "Spirits". That's very vague though and hard to tell what it is from that name alone. But it's likely not exactly a return of Smash Run or Smash Tour. My guesses currently that it is some kind of take on an adventure mode that includes bosses and stuff. But kind of doubtful it's a big story mode of any kind on Subspace's level.
Some people are saying that Spirits is a story mode where instead of collecting trophies, you’re collecting spirits. If it is Story Mode then that sounds like it could be a more enchanting and soothing story mode with elegant artistry that could make Terrence Malick Cream his pants instead of the dark broodiness that was Subspace Emissary.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on August 08, 2018, 11:54:08 PM
List of stages from past games that are not in Smash Ultimate (source: Smash Wiki and my mental skills):

64:
Planet Zebes
Sector Z

Melee:
Mushroom Kingdom
Mute City
Icicle Mountain
Poké Floats
Flat Zone

Brawl:
Rumble Falls
Flat Zone 2
PictoChat

3DS:
Rainbow Road
Pac-Maze

Wii U:
Woolly World
Jungle Hijinxs
Pyrosphere
Orbital Gate Assault
Miiverse
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 09, 2018, 12:08:58 AM
List of stages from past games that are not in Smash Ultimate (source: Smash Wiki and my mental skills):

64:
Planet Zebes
Sector Z

Melee:
Mushroom Kingdom
Mute City
Icicle Mountain
Poké Floats
Flat Zone

Brawl:
Rumble Falls
Flat Zone 2
PictoChat

3DS:
Rainbow Road
Pac-Maze

Wii U:
Woolly World
Jungle Hijinxs
Pyrosphere
Orbital Gate Assault
Miiverse
Of those I am hoping for Sector Z, Poke Floats, Rainbow Road, Pac Maze, Jungle Hijinx, Orbital Gate Assault And Wooly World
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on August 09, 2018, 12:27:10 AM
Sector Z is probably not in the avoid redundancy with three Great Fox stages

Pac-Maze had a gimmick that could only be pulled off by the 3DS
Flatzone 1 and 2 are not needed since we have Flatzone X
Miiverse is dead and wasn't very pleasant in Smash(Seriously, first time I played I saw a penis)
Pyrosphere is weird now that Ridley is playable
As for Rumble Falls and Icicle Falls ...  people just don't like those stages
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 09, 2018, 12:48:13 AM
I think 3DS and Smash 64 are the only games that could have all stages return.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 09, 2018, 12:56:04 AM
I'm almost 100% satisfied with these returning stages. Pokefloats would have been fun for the meme, but I'll live.

I will say though some of the stages cut from Wii U are a bit odd. I would have thought Orbital Gate, Woolly World, and Jungle Hijinxs were locks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on August 09, 2018, 01:17:01 AM
i will only be completely satisfied when i find out if they are really gonna recycle voice overs for the Mario females.

Peach is mysteriously mute along with Daisy and Rosalina during all the gameplay.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 09, 2018, 01:34:21 AM
Voice work is typically done later in development. Most characters not in the demo have shown no audio clips either.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on August 09, 2018, 02:05:13 AM
I think we won't see any flat out Smash based Direct again till near release, it might get a segment or a trailer in a general Direct, but Smash can't be the only thing they show with the remaining months ahead.
I can see Echo Fighters being revealed on the site, while brand new fighters are treated as more of a special event.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on August 09, 2018, 04:43:15 AM
One thing about voices is that we're stuck with DK and Diddy having real animal noises, as heard in King K Rool's trailer. Maybe Bowser and King K Rool would have real growling noises.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on August 09, 2018, 09:37:13 AM
It seemed like they gave K. Rool generic animal noises like they did Bowser and the Kongs. I mean even if he hasn't appeared in a while, he has better voice clips than that, come on.





Or his cartoon voice of course, if they'd go that far
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gellert Grindelwald on August 09, 2018, 10:02:25 AM
are we just gonna skim over the fact that LUIGI IS *bleep*ING DEAD?!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: saltypepper on August 09, 2018, 10:36:03 AM
according to nintendo, he apparently is ok

https://twitter.com/NintendoUKVS/status/1027210656821469184

still though can't believe they could do this to luigi, i'm in tears writing this
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on August 09, 2018, 10:47:26 AM
Miiverse is dead and wasn't very pleasant in Smash(Seriously, first time I played I saw a penis)

For me on my first play, I was playing as Luigi and it contained a swear word. Not to mention the ones that said (insert character name) sucks. I saw some funny ones too, when I was playing as Doctor Mario one time, there was a post that showed Doctor Mario brushing Wario's teeth. I'm glad that the stage no longer has posts in it. It won't be in Ultimate since it was shut down.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on August 09, 2018, 11:03:33 AM
It seemed like they gave K. Rool generic animal noises like they did Bowser and the Kongs. I mean even if he hasn't appeared in a while, he has better voice clips than that, come on.


Or his cartoon voice of course, if they'd go that far

If you are gonna use his voice at least use the good one. The one from DK64 thank you very much.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gellert Grindelwald on August 09, 2018, 12:17:33 PM
according to nintendo, he apparently is ok

https://twitter.com/NintendoUKVS/status/1027210656821469184

still though can't believe they could do this to luigi, i'm in tears writing this

(https://i.gyazo.com/5eb5ef1c68b91bd8d9885a4f765031b5.png)

gamespot asking the real questions here
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas Crow on August 09, 2018, 12:37:17 PM
For me on my first play, I was playing as Luigi and it contained a swear word. Not to mention the ones that said (insert character name) sucks. I saw some funny ones too, when I was playing as Doctor Mario one time, there was a post that showed Doctor Mario brushing Wario's teeth. I'm glad that the stage no longer has posts in it. It won't be in Ultimate since it was shut down.[/color]
I saw a gender-swapped Falco in the Miiverse stage once
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on August 09, 2018, 12:37:50 PM
according to nintendo, he apparently is ok

https://twitter.com/NintendoUKVS/status/1027210656821469184

still though can't believe they could do this to luigi, i'm in tears writing this

img

gamespot asking the real questions here
(https://i.imgur.com/IOeWxHA.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on August 09, 2018, 01:54:43 PM
according to nintendo, he apparently is ok

https://twitter.com/NintendoUKVS/status/1027210656821469184

still though can't believe they could do this to luigi, i'm in tears writing this
Good that Luigi is okay. (how could they do this during his 35th Year of Luigi)








I also can't believe that Nintendo still NOT confirming that Mario is okay!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 09, 2018, 02:30:03 PM
It seemed like they gave K. Rool generic animal noises like they did Bowser and the Kongs. I mean even if he hasn't appeared in a while, he has better voice clips than that, come on.

Nintendo needs to stop encouraging people to mod the game to clean their *bleep* up for them
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 09, 2018, 02:32:45 PM
Pretty inconsistent on their part. How come Bowser Jr has his regular voice instead of a baby dragon like voice, yet the Kongs, K. Rool and HIS DAD have animal and monster vocal chords?!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 09, 2018, 02:34:29 PM
It seemed like they gave K. Rool generic animal noises like they did Bowser and the Kongs. I mean even if he hasn't appeared in a while, he has better voice clips than that, come on.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/kkpcRessCvNyo/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 09, 2018, 03:09:25 PM
according to nintendo, he apparently is ok

https://twitter.com/NintendoUKVS/status/1027210656821469184

still though can't believe they could do this to luigi, i'm in tears writing this

img

gamespot asking the real questions here
(https://i.imgur.com/IOeWxHA.jpg)

gooooooood.....
#sarcasm
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 09, 2018, 03:13:04 PM
It seemed like they gave K. Rool generic animal noises like they did Bowser and the Kongs. I mean even if he hasn't appeared in a while, he has better voice clips than that, come on.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/kkpcRessCvNyo/giphy.gif)

My reaction. (Internally, cause my brother would've killed me if I did that to his phone.

Seriously, what is with Nintendo giving Bowser such a weird voice for one series? His voice was fine!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on August 09, 2018, 03:16:52 PM
Pretty inconsistent on their part. How come Bowser Jr has his regular voice instead of a baby dragon like voice, yet the Kongs, K. Rool and HIS DAD have animal and monster vocal chords?!
Bowser Jr. probably have his regular voice because he's a "kid-appeal" character like Yoshi.

It seemed like they gave K. Rool generic animal noises like they did Bowser and the Kongs. I mean even if he hasn't appeared in a while, he has better voice clips than that, come on.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/kkpcRessCvNyo/giphy.gif)

My reaction. (Internally, cause my brother would've killed me if I did that to his phone.

Seriously, what is with Nintendo giving Bowser such a weird voice for one series? His voice was fine!

Maybe Sakurai prefers generic animal noises and monster noises for beast villains.

I'm just guessing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 09, 2018, 03:22:08 PM
It's a leftover from Super Smash Bros. Brawl and they're too lazy to use new voice effects.

This is why Brawl should be purged from existence.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: saltypepper on August 09, 2018, 03:33:15 PM
If we go back to the Smash 4 trailers, like the first one, they didn't even have any voices ready for that trailer. So I'm hoping this is simply just something that will be fixed in the final product.

Quote
This is why Brawl should be purged from existence.
But Project M :(
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 09, 2018, 04:05:13 PM
correction: vBrawl

mods are forgiveable
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on August 09, 2018, 04:07:12 PM
Posted my live audio reaction to yesterday's direct here (http://smashingatsonicspeed.tumblr.com/post/176814153813/firstsmashultimatedirectreactionmp3)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on August 09, 2018, 05:48:12 PM
late, but that was a fantastic direct. a lot of great info, and I never expected to get five new characters in 30 minutes! and three of them were in my most wanted so that made it even better. this game is looking really great and I can't wait until December

assorted thoughts most of which were written in the middle of the night

- been getting more into Castlevania recently and I think it absolutely deserves content in Smash. Simon looks pretty much exactly how I imagined him being and he seems really fun. just about everything else is done great. tbh the one thing I'm still kind of ____ on is Richter because I would have kept it as one character per third party series but oh well! I do like how completely unexpected he was, I'd rather have him over someone like...say, Shadow

- seven Fire Emblem characters is hilarious, but also Chrom finally getting in after how it ended for him last game genuinely pleased me. I genuinely really wanted him for 4 too and I like using Roy so I expect I'll be using him quite a bit

- actually legitimately really hyped for Dark Samus, she was my top echo choice. my ideal Metroid roster was Samus/Zero Suit/Ridley/Dark Samus and I had no faith in the latter two getting in when the game was announced. I'm very happy to have been wrong here

- one DK newcomer down, one to go! :P King K. Rool obviously probably the highlight for me and my favorite reveal thus far. one of my favorite Nintendo characters, gives love to one of my favorite series, even ended up being my ballot vote. he looks just about perfect too, animal voices aside he seems like he's going to be just how I imagined

- the amount of returning stages is fantastic. I'm pretty sure we have all of the returning ones now and a few of my favorites don't seem to have made the cut (namely Poké Floats, Mute City Melee, and Rainbow Road) but I love what we got back

- brand new stages look nice, looking forward to New Donk City Hall the most

- not really bothered by who got knocked out of the running. I would have liked to see Ashley or Captain Toad playable but they weren't really among my most wanted

- pretty much everything else was great. especially looking forward to the music selection and the new classic mode
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 09, 2018, 06:09:35 PM
Pretty inconsistent on their part. How come Bowser Jr has his regular voice instead of a baby dragon like voice, yet the Kongs, K. Rool and HIS DAD have animal and monster vocal chords?!
I can't find a complete source (Might need to bug Source Gaming into looking into it), but I did find this:
https://nintendoeverything.com/more-sakurai-smash-bros-tidbits-smash-run-enemies-human-sounding-voices-difficulty-with-melee-data/

Quote
Another question Sakurai addresses: “What was the reason to not have human-sounding voices for some of the characters?”

Characters like Bowser, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong and Dedede have had human-sounding voices in cartoons. That being said, Sakurai says that when it really comes to it, they have animal sounding voices.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on August 09, 2018, 06:37:41 PM
according to nintendo, he apparently is ok

https://twitter.com/NintendoUKVS/status/1027210656821469184

still though can't believe they could do this to luigi, i'm in tears writing this

img

gamespot asking the real questions here
(https://i.imgur.com/IOeWxHA.jpg)

Why him?!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 09, 2018, 07:33:18 PM
(https://i.redd.it/76kxj652mze11.jpg)

OOF.

On the plus side, Street Fighter has 36 tracks. Guile time baybee.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on August 09, 2018, 08:07:20 PM
(https://i.redd.it/76kxj652mze11.jpg)

OOF.

On the plus side, Street Fighter has 36 tracks. Guile time baybee.

The two Final Fantasy tracks may be recycled from Smash 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 09, 2018, 08:12:59 PM
Thanks copyright.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 09, 2018, 09:43:31 PM
(https://i.redd.it/76kxj652mze11.jpg)

OOF.

On the plus side, Street Fighter has 36 tracks. Guile time baybee.
Sephiroth’s theme?
Aeris’s Theme?
The Oppressed?
Holding My Thoughts in My Heart?
On that Day Five Years Ago?
Crazy Motorcycle Chase?
Midgar Slums?
Cosmo Canyon?
The Bombing Mission?
Make Reactor?

I hope they won’t stick with two like the previous game. There are plenty of other great tracks from FFVII besides battle music.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on August 09, 2018, 10:53:40 PM
I really hope there are more Metroid songs unlockable than the ones listed in the Direct (https://youtu.be/MiYrIL6luNY). Of the 25 total, tracks no. 14-23 were shown, meaning most of the songs not shown are from before Prime, unfortunately, since they're ordered chronologically. Hopefully SR388 Surface from Samus Returns for track 24 or 25. Good to see Opening / Menu (Metroid Prime) is back, not sure how I feel about a Federation Force song being in the game, but why would you bring back the two most boring songs (Lockdown Battle and Burning Lava Fish)?

Also I'm definitely setting the BoTW Switch presentation trailer theme to max for My Music, no other Zelda song matters anymore.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 09, 2018, 11:54:59 PM
If Banjo and Kazooie make it in I hope they’ll keep their goofy voices and not sound like an actual bear and bird.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on August 10, 2018, 12:47:57 AM
I really hope there are more Metroid songs unlockable than the ones listed in the Direct (https://youtu.be/MiYrIL6luNY). Of the 25 total, tracks no. 14-23 were shown, meaning most of the songs not shown are from before Prime, unfortunately, since they're ordered chronologically. Hopefully SR388 Surface from Samus Returns for track 24 or 25. Good to see Opening / Menu (Metroid Prime) is back, not sure how I feel about a Federation Force song being in the game, but why would you bring back the two most boring songs (Lockdown Battle and Burning Lava Fish)?

It also doesn't help that they're, in my opinion, unnecessarily bloating the OST by just remixing the same songs that have already been remixed. Like there's a new VS. Parasite Queen remix that plays in Dark Samus's trailer and is shown in the direct but we already had a Parasite Queen remix in Smash Bros. Like, why not use any of the other bosses from Prime 1 or Prime 2 (y'know, like Dark Samus's theme...?) or even Prime 3. They're all infinitely more memorable than the Parasite Queen anyways and have better music imo. It pains me to see Other M have more music than MP2:Echoes.

Don't even get me started on Donkey Kong's soundtrack selection in the Wii U/3DS version...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 10, 2018, 12:50:56 AM
I don't care what Metroid songs are done, I want Tallon Overworld, both versions, as battle songs, preferably if they keep the original mood of those if they try a rerecording. I don't care if it's "unfitting", it might surprisingly work well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on August 10, 2018, 03:12:47 AM
Don't even get me started on Donkey Kong's soundtrack selection in the Wii U/3DS version...
Kongo Jungle
Jungle Level
Jungle Level Jazz Style
Jungle Level Tribal Style
Jungle Level Ver. 2
Jungle Hijinnxs
Swinger Flinger

All 7 of the above songs are remixes of the theme from the first level of DKC.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: saltypepper on August 10, 2018, 03:20:44 AM
Quote
I don't care if it's "unfitting", it might surprisingly work well.

I don't think we can get more unfitting than "Environmental Noises" from Pikmin.

Or "Gamer" since it doesn't play any music.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 10, 2018, 04:46:38 AM
Don't even get me started on Donkey Kong's soundtrack selection in the Wii U/3DS version...
Kongo Jungle
Jungle Level
Jungle Level Jazz Style
Jungle Level Tribal Style
Jungle Level Ver. 2
Jungle Hijinnxs
Swinger Flinger

All 7 of the above songs are remixes of the theme from the first level of DKC.
Because why put in more music from DKC2 and DK64 right?!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on August 10, 2018, 05:11:55 AM
It also doesn't help that they're, in my opinion, unnecessarily bloating the OST by just remixing the same songs that have already been remixed.

Yeah, I noticed this has been a trend, too. I've already heard another Duck Hunt medley, Wrecking Crew medley, Lost in Thoughts (the list goes on). Personally I'd prefer more songs that have never appeared in Smash before in any form.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 10, 2018, 08:32:19 AM
I'm worried.

I'm pretty sure that Sakurai said that they didn't have any more newcomers.

Geno? Paper Mario?


Note: I can't hear anything correctly for my life, so hopefully I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on August 10, 2018, 08:58:10 AM
nah, he said they still had "a few" reveals in store. I don't think we'll know the final roster until maaaybe mid November or so
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 10, 2018, 10:27:17 AM
Yeah, this may seem ambitious, but I foresee four more unique characters and four more echoes. Bringing the total newcomer list to 8 unique and 8 echoes. Perfectly balanced, and also similar to Melee's newcomers. 8 original and 6 clones.

Here's my prediction:
(https://i.imgur.com/hgciRmY.png)

Unique chaacters:

-Inkling
-Ridley
-Simon Belmont
-King K. Rool
-Tapu Koko
-Bandana Dee
-Skull Kid
-Geno

Echoes:
-Daisy
-Richter Belmont
-Chrom
-Dark Samus
-Isabelle
-Shadow
-Impa
-Dixie Kong
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 10, 2018, 10:42:46 AM
Yeah, this may seem ambitious, but I foresee four more unique characters and four more echoes. Bringing the total newcomer list to 8 unique and 8 echoes. Perfectly balanced, and also similar to Melee's newcomers. 8 original and 6 clones.

Here's my prediction:
(https://i.imgur.com/hgciRmY.png)

Unique chaacters:

-Inkling
-Ridley
-Simon Belmont
-King K. Rool
-Tapu Koko
(NO IDEA WHO THIS IS)
-Bandana Dee
(GREAT ADDITION. IF IT WORKS IN A FLASH GAME IT'LL WORK OFFICIALLY)
-Skull Kid
(EH, HE'S AN ASSIST. BEST TO KEEP HIM THAT WAY)
-Geno
(DO IT)

Echoes:
-Daisy
-Richter Belmont
-Chrom
-Dark Samus
-Isabelle
(NO OPINION)
-Shadow
(I'D PLAY AS SHADOW MORE THAN SONIC)
-Impa
(AS AN ECHO OF WHO?)
-Dixie Kong
(I'D BE DOWN FOR THIS)

My opinions are laced into your original comment.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 10, 2018, 10:58:10 AM
Tapu Koko is a Pokemon from Sun and Moon. Verge claims the Gen VII rep is not Decidueye, Lycanroc, or Mimikyu. That last one's already been disconfirmed. Tapu Koko works well as a representation of the style and story of Sun and Moon.

Skull Kid has a lot going for him. Fan favorite, unique, and the Moon is an assist but his trophy is nowhere to be seen. Plus I just really want a new Zelda character.

Impa as a Sheik echo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on August 10, 2018, 11:02:36 AM
Echoes:
-Dixie Kong
no stop
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 10, 2018, 11:06:45 AM
Chrom and Dark Samus have shown that echoes don't have to be as 1 to 1 as we thought. Give her a hair spin up b, a bubblegum popgun, some throws using her hair, and use Diddy for the rest of the moveset, and bam you've got Dixie. Throw in unique animations like Dark samus has and she'd work.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on August 10, 2018, 11:47:51 AM
I think it's likely to be 8/8 as well

my echo predictions are exactly the same as GP's. it seems they're adding a good chunk of popular characters as quick echoes, and all four of them would fit. the new info in the direct also helps with characters like Dixie
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 10, 2018, 12:40:52 PM
Chrom and Dark Samus have shown that echoes don't have to be as 1 to 1 as we thought. Give her a hair spin up b, a bubblegum popgun, some throws using her hair, and use Diddy for the rest of the moveset, and bam you've got Dixie. Throw in unique animations like Dark samus has and she'd work.

I'd be fine with your potential up-B as long as they slow it down. Crazy fast hair spin would look weeeeeird.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on August 10, 2018, 04:14:06 PM
I'm starting to feel like Tails over Shadow as Sonic's echo might be a potential speculation upset.

I still feel like Shadow is more likely at the moment. But there a few things I want to point out that might at least show Tails has a fair shot.

1. Mii Costumes

In short, Tails got a Mii costume. Shadow didn't. It didn't work out for Knuckles since he's an AT. But how weird would it be that Knuckles and Shadow got upgrades from their roles in Brawl/Smash 4 but Tails was left behind the same as it ever was. (Unless he's being saved as a potential DLC candidate, which would be perfectly fine by me). Most of the newcomers in Ultimate thus far also got Mii costume DLC (Or even base game headgear in the case of Daisy) in Smash 4

2. Stage Juxtaposition + 2 Sonic stages already

Really minor point and they could do this for Shadow anyway. But you have Green Hill and Windy Hill, both are colorful as Sonic stages can be. Where if Shadow got in would leave some weird contrast as you have the edgy black hedgehog likely with a scowl to show his different personality from Sonic for his render amongst that colorful happy background. Whilst Tails appeared in Sonic Lost World while Shadow did not, so Windy Hill being his background would be just fine

3. Doubt on a 3rd Sonic stage

With Windy Hill and Green Hill confirmed. I don't think Sonic will get a 3rd Sonic stage. Though if they do, it will determine who's the next Sonic rep I'd feel. If it's Shadow, a Forces stage, Radical Highway or Space Colony Ark are options. If it's Tails, a Mania stage, or Chemical Plant (Which has appeared almost as often as Green Hill Zone lately. It appears in both Mania and Forces itself too, just like GHZ) would work great. A Forces stage would probably be the most likely since that's what Sega would want to push at the time of development. But I think we would of seen it already if there was a new Sonic stage myself.


Again, still think Shadow's most likely. But if Tails is announced first or heck if Shadow actually turns out to be an assist trophy again (We still haven't seen all the Assist Trophies yet. Elec Man is missing for example, maybe he was replaced with Zero possibly. Though no one's going to outright support Elec Man to be playable in Smash since he's definitely not on Shadow's level of popularity. So I'm not saying they're equivalent. But still something to keep an eye on). Then this is sort of an outline for should this kind of speculation upset happens.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on August 10, 2018, 05:02:19 PM
I got the impression that 103 stages is the final number of stages for the base game, meaning any more would have to be added as DLC. Other people seem to be treating it as if they may not have announced all of them yet. The way they compared all the different games with Ultimate having 103 implies that it won't have any more than that number before DLC.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on August 10, 2018, 05:14:38 PM
I got the impression that 103 stages is the final number of stages for the base game, meaning any more would have to be added as DLC. Other people seem to be treating it as if they may not have announced all of them yet. The way they compared all the different games with Ultimate having 103 implies that it won't have any more than that number before DLC.

This could be bad news for any unrepresented franchise reps until DLC. Though they could always have them have no real home like ROB. Though imagine getting the character but having no stage and no music from their series as a result.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 10, 2018, 05:17:21 PM
Marth and Roy had no stage in Melee so it's not unheard of but nowadays I don't see that happening. And we know a FE stage was planned anyway.

Hence why all  my newcomers in my prediction are from series with reps already.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 10, 2018, 05:17:39 PM
They should add Gangplank Galleon as a stage since K. Rool is added. I doubt that’s the final number of stages. We still have months until the game’s official release.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on August 10, 2018, 09:01:29 PM
It's possible that they are hiding stages from new franchises on purpose to prevent people from guessing so easily.
But if we really only get two new fighter franchises, I'm gonna be really bummed out
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on August 10, 2018, 09:25:25 PM
There is this huge batch of screenshots (https://imgur.com/a/HdDfJce) and

(https://i.imgur.com/zyHwIdA.jpg)

It's so beautiful!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 10, 2018, 09:31:20 PM
Tapu Koko is a Pokemon from Sun and Moon. Verge claims the Gen VII rep is not Decidueye, Lycanroc, or Mimikyu. That last one's already been disconfirmed. Tapu Koko works well as a representation of the style and story of Sun and Moon.

Impa as a Sheik echo.

Tapu Koko is a Pokémon? No wonder. Don't play Pokémon.

Hm. Impa...as a Sheik echo. Hm. Doesn't really sound right. I don't know why, but it doesn't.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 10, 2018, 09:37:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9CkGSUe.jpg)

Love this stage in its hilariously awful glory

(https://i.imgur.com/VIcHpZ0.jpg)

Is 75m 2D now?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 10, 2018, 09:44:02 PM
Tapu Koko is a Pokemon from Sun and Moon. Verge claims the Gen VII rep is not Decidueye, Lycanroc, or Mimikyu. That last one's already been disconfirmed. Tapu Koko works well as a representation of the style and story of Sun and Moon.

Impa as a Sheik echo.

Tapu Koko is a Pokémon? No wonder. Don't play Pokémon.

Hm. Impa...as a Sheik echo. Hm. Doesn't really sound right. I don't know why, but it doesn't.
Well Impa is the one who instructed Sheik. It would make sense for them to fight similarly. Plus Sheik's new final smash seems heavily Sheikah inspired in its aesthetic and is something I can totally see Impa doing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 10, 2018, 10:42:02 PM
I really hope there are more Metroid songs unlockable than the ones listed in the Direct (https://youtu.be/MiYrIL6luNY). Of the 25 total, tracks no. 14-23 were shown, meaning most of the songs not shown are from before Prime, unfortunately, since they're ordered chronologically. Hopefully SR388 Surface from Samus Returns for track 24 or 25. Good to see Opening / Menu (Metroid Prime) is back, not sure how I feel about a Federation Force song being in the game, but why would you bring back the two most boring songs (Lockdown Battle and Burning Lava Fish)?

Also I'm definitely setting the BoTW Switch presentation trailer theme to max for My Music, no other Zelda song matters anymore.
Well, at least it can't get as bad as Donkey Kong.


I got the impression that 103 stages is the final number of stages for the base game, meaning any more would have to be added as DLC. Other people seem to be treating it as if they may not have announced all of them yet. The way they compared all the different games with Ultimate having 103 implies that it won't have any more than that number before DLC.

This could be bad news for any unrepresented franchise reps until DLC. Though they could always have them have no real home like ROB. Though imagine getting the character but having no stage and no music from their series as a result.
Do we know all 103 stages yet? Because there's still the stage where Rathlos appeared.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on August 10, 2018, 11:01:22 PM
Do we know all 103 stages yet? Because there's still the stage where Rathlos appeared.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Yes, we do know all 103 stages. (https://www.ssbwiki.com/Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate#Stages)

The Rathlos stage does not necessarily mean an Adventure Mode, but it definitely isn't a multiplayer stage. It's too basic and generic-looking. I'm sure it's exclusive to a single-player mode that may or may not be an Adventure Mode (I personally think it is, but it could be something more akin to a Challenge mode). 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 10, 2018, 11:07:54 PM
Do we know all 103 stages yet? Because there's still the stage where Rathlos appeared.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Yes, we do know all 103 stages. (https://www.ssbwiki.com/Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate#Stages)

The Rathlos stage does not necessarily mean an Adventure Mode, but it definitely isn't a multiplayer stage. It's too basic and generic-looking. I'm sure it's exclusive to a single-player mode that may or may not be an Adventure Mode (I personally think it is, but it could be something more akin to a Challenge mode).
I'm just a bit paranoid.
I remember when the Mega Man trailer ended with Mega Man, alone, about to face the Yellow Devil.
So I'm kinda skeptical about potential single player modes involving bosses.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 10, 2018, 11:21:19 PM
The "stage" with Rathalos is completely flat, has no other features, is really long, and has walk offs. Sounds like a boring stage. It's reminiscent of where you fought guys like Rayquaza in subspace. Look closely and you'll notice the same thing about Dracula. He appears in an area different from the castle stage and it's got the same layout as Rathalos. Additionally, there are several times when only one character is shown on screen during these boss fights. Sounds like single player. Plus Sakurai was hesitant to say when exactly Dracula appears.

My bet is a Melee style Adventure mode with Brawl style bosses. I'd be down for that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 11, 2018, 08:13:29 AM
The "stage" with Rathalos is completely flat, has no other features, is really long, and has walk offs. Sounds like a boring stage. It's reminiscent of where you fought guys like Rayquaza in subspace. Look closely and you'll notice the same thing about Dracula. He appears in an area different from the castle stage and it's got the same layout as Rathalos. Additionally, there are several times when only one character is shown on screen during these boss fights. Sounds like single player. Plus Sakurai was hesitant to say when exactly Dracula appears.

My bet is a Melee style Adventure mode with Brawl style bosses. I'd be down for that.

I hope so. I never played Melee or Brawl, which is why I want at least an adventure mode. Story more would be better, but I take what I can get.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 11, 2018, 09:27:17 AM
There is this huge batch of screenshots (https://imgur.com/a/HdDfJce) and

(https://i.imgur.com/zyHwIdA.jpg)

It's so beautiful!

(°0°)

Paper Mario: TTYD HD confirmed.

Anyhoo, anybody else notice that the green colored option wasn't the only thing blurred out? There was also an option on the ZR dashboard that they blurred as well. Speculation on what that could be? Presumably it has to do with the green mode, but it could be something else.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: saltypepper on August 11, 2018, 09:57:41 AM
Definitely has to do with the green mode. It's the only thing they censored in the dashboard, and the only thing that was censored on the main menu was the green mode.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on August 11, 2018, 01:56:25 PM
New idea: The mysterious green mode is just that: A mode where everything is green.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on August 11, 2018, 02:09:08 PM
New idea: The mysterious green mode is just that: A mode where everything is green.
MULTI-SHREK SMASH, with puke green filter!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 11, 2018, 03:29:41 PM
Here's a high quality look at Sheik's new final smash.

https://clips.twitch.tv/TangentialBraveBottleStinkyCheese (https://clips.twitch.tv/TangentialBraveBottleStinkyCheese)

It looks SICK!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on August 11, 2018, 03:58:38 PM
I'm glad that Stamina battles no longer require the Special Mode.  Now they can have up to 8 players, and allow for several stock.  They were always my favorite type of Smash, and I'm glad that they now allow for more customization.  Time for some really epic 8-player boss battles!

I wonder what's going to happen to Coin Smash, though.  We don't yet know if it's returning.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 11, 2018, 04:54:47 PM
Stamina mode will only be worth playing if and ONLY IF characters make their Star KO yell when they die.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on August 12, 2018, 01:08:53 AM
Voice work is typically done later in development. Most characters not in the demo have shown no audio clips either.

Answering to this since i kinda missed this thread , it moved way too fast after the direct lol.

Well, honestly i don't think so in the case of Mario characters since characters like Link, Ganondorf, Zelda , Marth and Ike have new voices in the demo itself.

Voice work is actually done during development stages and not after to my understanding.

Taking the MK8 example, during the very first demo and trailers they were using MKWii sounds and voices but after the 3rd trailer they already updated the voices and when they made the final demo build every character had their new voiceovers.

Also bringing it up because a friend of mine actually contacted Rosalina's voice actress (Laura) via email and asked if she was gonna be her voice in this new game. She send me a twitter DM with the screenie of the reply because she was kinda bummed by the response.

(https://i.imgur.com/ISLLpR2.png)

Tbh on my end i won't be mad at all, i like the Brawl voices and MK7 Rosalina is still featured in Mario Tennis Aces lol , so it kinda ages well for me.

Im not counting on Daisy getting anything either since we hear her generic YAAAAAAOOOOO from MK8 in the trailer so yeah, recycling.

sigh.

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 12, 2018, 03:19:20 AM
That’s so cool That Rosalina’s VA actually messaged you.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on August 12, 2018, 03:27:40 AM
umm she did not but the point stants regardless.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snoadgamer on August 12, 2018, 10:31:48 AM
The best part about the Direct infos is the number of battlefields. I also really loved the King K. Rool reveal.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on August 12, 2018, 10:36:18 AM
So I'm late to all of this but...

OH
MY
*bleep*ING
GOD

The leak was right... Simon is there. But Richter too...

Dark Samus and Chrom are Echoes. I'm ok with that.

And King K Rool! And his moveset so far is everything I wanted!

But seriously, I thought Ridley killing Mario and MegaMan was bad. But boy was I on the edge of my seat there.

But that secret mode... I think it's gonna be a great surprise. I'm still not hoping for a big-ass story mode, but if it happens, then ok, Sakurai.

And he said more fighters are coming...

I can't contain myself anymore. Everything in the direct was great.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 12, 2018, 01:47:39 PM
So far it seems Kirby, Zelda, Mother, Wario, Fire Emblem And Kid Icarus are the only franchises to have all stages return.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on August 12, 2018, 01:49:44 PM
Which makes Zelda the only series to have every stage return and have a new stage! 
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 12, 2018, 01:53:49 PM
Pikmin too? And Sonic? And Animal Crossing? And Earthbound?

Wario has like only two stages iirc, so it's easy for it to return. Same with Pikmin. Basically franchises introduced in Brawl have it easy.

Sad that there is no Poke Floats. Would have been really crazy and fun to play on in 8-player smash. And Stage Morph to boot.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on August 12, 2018, 01:54:19 PM
So far it seems Kirby, Zelda, Mother, Wario, Fire Emblem And Kid Icarus are the only franchises to have all stages return.

every stage from Pikmin, Sonic, and Animal Crossing is also back. plus every single-stage franchise minus Miiverse

ninja but saying anyway
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 12, 2018, 01:56:47 PM
Pikmin too? And Sonic? And Animal Crossing? And Earthbound?

Wario has like only two stages iirc, so it's easy for it to return. Same with Pikmin. Basically franchises introduced in Brawl have it easy.

Sad that there is no Poke Floats. Would have been really crazy and fun to play on in 8-player smash. And Stage Morph to boot.
I did say Earthbound. I’m thinking Sakurai is giving Poke Floats an update, I don’t just mean enhanced graphics, but add other generations of Pokémon to make the stage bigger than before.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on August 12, 2018, 02:01:47 PM
It sucks that Rainbow Road is not here. I'd have preferred it over Mario Circuit Brawl again (which is now called Figure 8 Circuit) if they're trying to limit how many Mario Kart stages there are. Mario Kart 7 had one of the most magical and beautiful Rainbow Roads, while the Wii U and Switch versions all looked more... manmade I guess? Even the retro ones seemed to be made out of glass lights instead of magical fields of rainbow. I'd have liked to see that magical style of Rainbow Road in HD. But I can't complain since I have the Flavion and that was my most crucial returning stage request so yay.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 12, 2018, 02:06:39 PM
I'm most bummed by the lack of Mute City. It was one of the first transition stages that made you fought all over the map and it was really fun to play on.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 12, 2018, 02:08:21 PM
I believe Rainbow Road could still be added. In fact I believe 64 and 3DS will be the only games to have all stages return.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on August 12, 2018, 02:10:14 PM
Rainbow Road is my least favourite Mario Kart themed stage. The Karts are way too powerful, and often hard to avoid due to the fact cover almost the entire stage when they appear.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 12, 2018, 02:11:39 PM
I'm pretty sure we've seen the final stage total. Sakurai's language in the direct implies as such. And even if by some miracle we get more stages in the base game, I'm sure they'll all be new stages. There's no reason to hide old stages at this point. I could maybe see them hiding a Golden Sun or Rhythm Heaven stage for obvious reasons.

Some of the remaining old stages as DLC? I can totally see that happening, especially the N64 stages.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 12, 2018, 02:12:00 PM
Eh, the only segment they're annoying to avoid on is one of the segments where they simply drive on the side with ramps and stuff, there apparently are no safe platforms there. You could still effectively shield against them, though, they don't do much shield damage.

The road while you're moving through the stage does do ridiculous knockback though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on August 12, 2018, 02:28:59 PM
I kind of feel like there's still some new stages they just didn't want to show us yet for whichever reasons, but yeah I'm pretty sure this is all of the returning stages for at least base game. not much reason to hide them now
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on August 12, 2018, 09:47:11 PM
I think that the censored thing in the Direct is either Smash Run or challenges, some people may think that it is "spirits" or Adventure Mode, but that was in Games & More in Brawl and Melee.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 12, 2018, 10:59:16 PM
I think that the censored thing in the Direct is either Smash Run or challenges, some people may think that it is "spirits" or Adventure Mode, but that was in Games & More in Brawl and Melee.
So were the Vault and Options, but now they're not. Why would they hide Challenges?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 12, 2018, 11:46:53 PM
You know what would be another great feature is if you have the ability to change any attack sound effects that were recorded in previous Smash games.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on August 13, 2018, 12:16:12 AM
The censored mode is probably something everyone will be excited for, otherwise Sakurai wouldn't keep it as a surprise. So seeing how a lot of prople despised Smash Tour, it's not gonna be it. My bet is that it's something very big that Sakurai knows we will be happy to know about.

Still, menu screen looks great to navigate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 13, 2018, 12:27:04 AM
Maybe it’s a story mode that will be bigger than Brawl in terms of story. Maybe all the generic stock enemies are replaced by enemies from each franchise.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 13, 2018, 12:38:39 AM
You know what would be another great feature is if you have the ability to change any attack sound effects that were recorded in previous Smash games.

I'd like to change sound effects. Period. I love the Rayman Origins/Legends cartoonish smack sound effects and I put it in Smash 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on August 13, 2018, 12:40:52 AM
Maybe it’s a story mode that will be bigger than Brawl in terms of story. Maybe all the generic stock enemies are replaced by enemies from each franchise.

Don't get your hopes up for a story bigger then Brawl's. Reminder that Subspace took a lot of development time. There's no way they have over 70 characters and a large story mode.

I think it will be somewhere in between Subspace and Melee's Adventure mode. Maybe a few cutscenes here and there but nothing big.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 13, 2018, 01:16:37 AM
I’m just gonna say it. I think Banjo will be in the base roster. It’s his 20th anniversary and it would be a waste if they don’t do anything to celebrate it. There’s no other way to celebrate it at this point than to put him in Smash as a base character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on August 13, 2018, 01:47:56 AM
Maybe it’s a story mode that will be bigger than Brawl in terms of story. Maybe all the generic stock enemies are replaced by enemies from each franchise.

Don't get your hopes up for a story bigger then Brawl's. Reminder that Subspace took a lot of development time. There's no way they have over 70 characters and a large story mode.

I think it will be somewhere in between Subspace and Melee's Adventure mode. Maybe a few cutscenes here and there but nothing big.
Oh i'm sorry SonicMario are you on the developing team? Can you see the future?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on August 13, 2018, 02:03:19 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they have a few more stages up their sleeve for any remaining character reveals. That stage selection screen seems like it shouldn't have those blank spots at the bottom.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 13, 2018, 02:13:40 AM
Maybe it’s a story mode that will be bigger than Brawl in terms of story. Maybe all the generic stock enemies are replaced by enemies from each franchise.

Don't get your hopes up for a story bigger then Brawl's. Reminder that Subspace took a lot of development time. There's no way they have over 70 characters and a large story mode.

I think it will be somewhere in between Subspace and Melee's Adventure mode. Maybe a few cutscenes here and there but nothing big.
Oh i'm sorry SonicMario are you on the developing team? Can you see the future?
Dude. He’s just stating a possible theory. Don’t be an *bleep*.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: saltypepper on August 13, 2018, 06:19:25 AM
This sounds like a weird wish but if there's a tiny little thing I want in Smash Ultimate, I want there to be a choice of different percentage HUDs.

You can either pick 64, Melee, Brawl, 4, or Ultimate's percentage display. It would be even cooler if everyone could have their own HUD too. Of course this probably wouldn't translate well into 8 Player Smash, but maybe as an extra thing in 4 player Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 13, 2018, 08:46:48 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they have a few more stages up their sleeve for any remaining character reveals. That stage selection screen seems like it shouldn't have those blank spots at the bottom.
Smash 3DS had blank slots for its character and stage menus. Those usually don't mean anything.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 13, 2018, 11:06:16 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they have a few more stages up their sleeve for any remaining character reveals. That stage selection screen seems like it shouldn't have those blank spots at the bottom.
Smash 3DS had blank slots for its character and stage menus. Those usually don't mean anything.
If there are no more new stages, then that would probably mean one of two things:

1. The remaining newcomers are all from series already in Smash
or
2. They'll pull a R.O.B. and throw any newcomers from different series into a misc. stage
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 13, 2018, 01:46:32 PM
This sounds like a weird wish but if there's a tiny little thing I want in Smash Ultimate, I want there to be a choice of different percentage HUDs.

You can either pick 64, Melee, Brawl, 4, or Ultimate's percentage display. It would be even cooler if everyone could have their own HUD too. Of course this probably wouldn't translate well into 8 Player Smash, but maybe as an extra thing in 4 player Smash.

Eh, the more customization options, the better. And I could see it working in 8-player Smash anyway. I've seen complex unique AI behaviors in other games that allow for more unique options for players than 8-player Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on August 13, 2018, 01:51:35 PM
The only customisation option I want now is the option to change between choosing characters before stages, and the new method of choosing a stage before your character. Though I would keep this on Characters before Stages if it was an option.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 13, 2018, 01:58:23 PM
If it doesn't save your previous configuration, selecting your characters would be a major pain in the ass in this one.

I don't see why they suddenly changed it. I'm used to picking characters first than stages, it baffles me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 13, 2018, 03:12:37 PM
Speaking of customization options, I assume customizing normal characters will return from Sm4sh, since Miis are returning. However, I'd like real custom moves. I'd like the ability to change the categories for someone's special moves. For example, :mario:'s neutral-B is currently Fireball. Sm4sh introduced other types of that. However, other categories for that could be SMO based, such as different types of Cap Throws or simply a captured enemy from that game. I'd also like any moves that may have been replaced in the past to return, such as  :mario:'s spin attack down-B.

Custom Final Smashes would be good as well. As another example, another Final Smash option for Kirby could be his original one from Brawl, Cook Kirby.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on August 13, 2018, 08:20:55 PM
Speaking of customization options, I assume customizing normal characters will return from Sm4sh, since Miis are returning. However, I'd like real custom moves. I'd like the ability to change the categories for someone's special moves. For example, :mario:'s neutral-B is currently Fireball. Sm4sh introduced other types of that. However, other categories for that could be SMO based, such as different types of Cap Throws or simply a captured enemy from that game. I'd also like any moves that may have been replaced in the past to return, such as  :mario:'s spin attack down-B.

Custom Final Smashes would be good as well. As another example, another Final Smash option for Kirby could be his original one from Brawl, Cook Kirby.

I doubt custom moves will happen because the game is LARGE in coding and data, I think it would only apply to the Miis if it returns. Custom Final Smashes, it seems less likely, I don't get the point of it. Speaking of custom options, I want to see the ability to change announcers since Xander Mobus is mediocre as an announcer.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on August 14, 2018, 06:17:35 AM
One thing I just noticed is that Yoshi's new idle animation (https://youtu.be/P-kQWJrjRV4?t=19m48s) is the same one from Yoshi's Island. Sakurai at it again with the attention to detail.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 14, 2018, 02:58:21 PM
I think All Star Mode will be the shortest one in the series. I’m thinking  it’ll go from characters who appeared in 64, characters who appeared in Melee, characters who appeared in Brawl, characters who appeared in Smash 4 and then Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on August 14, 2018, 04:51:53 PM
You know, no matter how many different angles I look at her, Daisy really does just look like they cut her head off and put it on Peach's body.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 14, 2018, 05:00:28 PM
One thing I just noticed is that Yoshi's new idle animation (https://youtu.be/P-kQWJrjRV4?t=19m48s) is the same one from Yoshi's Island. Sakurai at it again with the attention to detail.
I saw someone point out that one of Bowser's punches now looks like his Inside Story animation.

You know, no matter how many different angles I look at her, Daisy really does just look like they cut her head off and put it on Peach's body.
The devs are just using the ol' Koopaling method please understand
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on August 14, 2018, 05:17:31 PM
You know, no matter how many different angles I look at her, Daisy really does just look like they cut her head off and put it on Peach's body.
And that's abnormal for Daisy because...?
(Daisy fan here)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 14, 2018, 05:46:17 PM
I think All Star Mode will be the shortest one in the series. I’m thinking  it’ll go from characters who appeared in 64, characters who appeared in Melee, characters who appeared in Brawl, characters who appeared in Smash 4 and then Ultimate.

Why will it be shorter? There's more characters than ever.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 14, 2018, 06:20:02 PM
I think All Star Mode will be the shortest one in the series. I’m thinking  it’ll go from characters who appeared in 64, characters who appeared in Melee, characters who appeared in Brawl, characters who appeared in Smash 4 and then Ultimate.

Why will it be shorter? There's more characters than ever.
Because of that reason I explained.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 14, 2018, 06:26:32 PM
In Melee it was random minus Game and Watch, in Brawl it was by series, in Smash 4 it was by year each character debuted, so since Ultimate relies on numbers next to each character, I believe it will go by characters who made their first appearance in each Smash game. Meaning it will first be 64 characters, then Melee newcomers, then Brawl newcomers, then Smash 4 newcomers and finally Ultimate Newcomers.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 14, 2018, 06:47:59 PM
In Melee it was random minus Game and Watch, in Brawl it was by series, in Smash 4 it was by year each character debuted, so since Ultimate relies on numbers next to each character, I believe it will go by characters who made their first appearance in each Smash game. Meaning it will first be 64 characters, then Melee newcomers, then Brawl newcomers, then Smash 4 newcomers and finally Ultimate Newcomers.
That simply means it'll start out as the shortest, but become the longest by the time you unlock everyone.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 14, 2018, 07:47:13 PM
In Melee it was random minus Game and Watch, in Brawl it was by series, in Smash 4 it was by year each character debuted, so since Ultimate relies on numbers next to each character, I believe it will go by characters who made their first appearance in each Smash game. Meaning it will first be 64 characters, then Melee newcomers, then Brawl newcomers, then Smash 4 newcomers and finally Ultimate Newcomers.
That simply means it'll start out as the shortest, but become the longest by the time you unlock everyone.
True but I guess what I’m saying is you won’t be in the healing room as many times as other games.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on August 14, 2018, 08:37:15 PM

Everyone wants to Rool the world
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 14, 2018, 09:00:41 PM
I can’t hear the lyrics. And is that one of the guys who was part of Melee’s version of the DK Rap?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on August 14, 2018, 09:54:40 PM
That sax.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 14, 2018, 10:00:38 PM
dang that's good.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on August 15, 2018, 07:23:28 AM
DK's had a rap for years.  K.Rool should get one too.

(this one is better)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 15, 2018, 04:51:27 PM
Alt. Costumes I’m hoping for certain characters since Mario, Link, Pikachu, Bowser Jr, Ike, Zero Suit Samus, Ridley, Little Mac, Pokémon Trainer, Wario, Cloud and Olimar have alternate costumes:

Mario:
Smash 64
Strikers
Tennis
Swimsuit

Luigi:
Doctor Luigi
Tennis
Strikers
Smash 64

Bowser:
Dry Bowser

Peach:
Sports outfit
Strikers outfit
Wedding outfit

Daisy:
Sports Outfit
Strikers outfit

Rosalina:
Sports Outfit

Yoshi:
Smash 64

Donkey Kong:
Smash 64

King K. Rool:
Kaptain K. Rool (assuming that clip was an alt.)
Baron K. Roolenstein

Link:
Smash 64

Zelda:
Ocarina of Time
Breath of the Wild

Ganondorf:
Twilight Princess

Kirby:
Smash 64

Pikachu:
Smash 64

Jigglypuff:
Smash 64

Fox:
Smash 64
Star Fox Adventures
Star Fox Assault

Falco:
Star Fox Adventures
Star Fox Assault

Wolf:
Original appearance

Captain Falcon:
Smash 64

Ness:
Smash 64

Mega Man:
No helmet
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 15, 2018, 05:11:15 PM
I like your choices for Mario but I also want to see Mario in a dress as a fighter. :>
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on August 15, 2018, 05:28:18 PM
I'm gonna need Mr. L if they give Luigi several unique costumes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 15, 2018, 05:43:08 PM
Alt. Costumes I’m hoping for certain characters since Mario, Link, Pikachu, Bowser Jr, Ike, Zero Suit Samus, Ridley, Little Mac, Pokémon Trainer, Wario, Cloud and Olimar have alternate costumes:

Mario:
Smash 64
Strikers
Tennis
Swimsuit

Luigi:
Doctor Luigi
Tennis
Strikers
Smash 64

Bowser:
Dry Bowser

Peach:
Sports outfit
Strikers outfit
Wedding outfit

Daisy:
Sports Outfit
Strikers outfit

Rosalina:
Sports Outfit

Yoshi:
Smash 64

Donkey Kong:
Smash 64

King K. Rool:
Kaptain K. Rool (assuming that clip was an alt.)
Baron K. Roolenstein

Link:
Smash 64

Zelda:
Ocarina of Time
Breath of the Wild

Ganondorf:
Twilight Princess

Kirby:
Smash 64

Pikachu:
Smash 64

Jigglypuff:
Smash 64

Fox:
Smash 64
Star Fox Adventures
Star Fox Assault

Falco:
Star Fox Adventures
Star Fox Assault

Wolf:
Original appearance

Captain Falcon:
Smash 64

Ness:
Smash 64

Mega Man:
No helmet

Yeah. I assume that by "Smash 64" you mean the polygonal looks?

Also, better add K. Rool's baseball outfit. And Bowser's wedding suit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 15, 2018, 05:59:47 PM
I just want an alternate palette for Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings. The Koopalings SMW palettes were just screaming to be used.
I can somewhat forgive Smash 4 considering the that Junior was nearly cut, but there aren't any excuses this time around.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 15, 2018, 06:28:45 PM
I want Bowser Jr. with recolor options.

Idk if it was too last minute or not, recolors are extremely easy to make anyway.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 15, 2018, 06:29:53 PM
I don't think the Princess will get sports attire since a lot of their hitboxes use their dress. Moves like Peach's down smash wouldn't work at all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 15, 2018, 06:31:20 PM
Well, theoretically, they could just use the sports outfit over the dress's bones but yeah, it wouldn't flow well with invisible hitboxes where the dress model is supposed to be.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snoadgamer on August 17, 2018, 02:58:39 AM
Nintendo, please make a Charizard alt. for Ridley!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on August 17, 2018, 03:06:09 AM
But Charizard is already playable, so how would that work?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on August 17, 2018, 03:27:51 AM
He means Orange Ridley like how they did Purple Zard in Smash 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on August 17, 2018, 11:50:48 AM
While we're on the topic of alt.s, how about a bodacious recolor for DK?

BTW, that has the most sarcasm ever in my life.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 17, 2018, 01:38:09 PM
I'll stick with vomit Kong like I always do.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 17, 2018, 01:54:41 PM
just make the game *bleep*ing moddable already
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on August 17, 2018, 03:08:02 PM
Just reveal all the palette swaps already.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 19, 2018, 03:09:51 PM
So Free For All has some changes. Not major changes but in terms of final results. We went from “This game’s winner is...” to “The winner is...” to just cutting the bull*bleep* and getting straight to the point by saying “So and so wins!”
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Borp on August 19, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
That's been that way since Brawl.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 19, 2018, 04:46:33 PM
No Brawl was “The winner is...”. Ultimate doesn’t build that suspense it just goes straight to the point by saying “Ridley wins!” Not “The winner is...Ridley!”
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on August 19, 2018, 04:57:44 PM
Hey as long as we get dem sweet victory animations with the nice background effects I don't mind that change all that much.

Although it's weird why they went for that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 19, 2018, 05:26:18 PM
I wish the clapping was like back in Brawl/Melee/Smash 64 where you'd actually see those characters in the background, not offscreen or not even present (like in the 3DS version).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on August 20, 2018, 03:32:06 AM
i just want robin and lucina throwing shade again
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on August 20, 2018, 03:37:46 PM
So Free For All has some changes. Not major changes but in terms of final results. We went from “This game’s winner is...” to “The winner is...” to just cutting the bull*bleep* and getting straight to the point by saying “So and so wins!”
That makes it worse. I don't really see why did that. :???:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on August 21, 2018, 04:09:10 AM

Video showing off Chrom and Lucina vs. Ridley and Dark Samus
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on August 21, 2018, 04:17:47 AM
Note that it's not some gameplay footage from Gamescom. It's just gameplay footages, captured by the SSBU devs.

And also K. Rool footage.


EDIT: The Japanese version pronounced K. Rool as "Cruel", while the English version pronounced as "Kay-Rool".
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 21, 2018, 05:09:51 AM
I love how Xander Mobus says “KING K. ROOOOOL!!!” I guess he has been wanting to see him in Smash as well.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 21, 2018, 05:15:54 AM
Also wow, K. Rool gets his own victory theme! I wonder if everyone gets their own victory theme?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on August 21, 2018, 07:48:05 AM
English version for the Chrom/Dark Samus gameplay video (https://youtu.be/2ZgDpD99RnU); seems like they reused Laura Bailey's voice clips for Lucina.

I kinda wish there were better entrance animations for some of the characters instead of simply "jumping onto the stage" like K. Rool there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on August 21, 2018, 09:07:14 AM
Also wow, K. Rool gets his own victory theme! I wonder if everyone gets their own victory theme?

Would be cool but I doubt some of the characters even have that kind of theme to accompany them.

Besides, even Meta Knight and Rosalina had their own victory themes in Smash 4, despite already being part of a represented series that has another theme.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 21, 2018, 12:09:21 PM
If Bowser, Ridley, and K. Rool get unique victory themes then Ganondorf should too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 21, 2018, 01:27:24 PM
Also wow, K. Rool gets his own victory theme! I wonder if everyone gets their own victory theme?

I mean, it's technically possible to do so in Smash 4 because I think all characters come with their own victory song files. Like, if you add a song called "snd_bgm_DrMarioVictory.nus3bank" (to paraphrase the file name), you'll get a victory theme unique to Dr. Mario.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on August 21, 2018, 02:10:03 PM
that's not something too special, in 4 many characters had unique themes such as Bowser and Rosalina despite being from the Mario series.



Also the english version of this video confirms they are indeed reusing many voice clips from Smash 4 outside of Mario characters.

Lucina keeps her Laura Bailey voice clips in this.

Hope to see Rosalina and Luma in action soon
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on August 21, 2018, 03:00:49 PM
I'm still waiting for a Lucario Final Smash that's not Mega Evolution. Or just implement Bone Rush into his moveset somehow.

^^Look at that pipe dream.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on August 21, 2018, 06:44:31 PM
And also K. Rool footage.

that first stock was sick nasty
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on August 21, 2018, 09:09:22 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

gear up for more fire emblem content
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: BirdoFan87 on August 21, 2018, 09:17:05 PM
There is a storied history, not just with Nintendo, but with gaming in general. I feel like Smash celebrates all aspects and avenues of game so here are some franchises that I think should have some representation, either as playable characters, ATs, or trophies.

Crash Bandicoot

Spyro

King of Fighters

Tekken

Assassin’s Creed

Suikoden

Phoenix Wright

NiGHTs

Professor Layton

Banjo-Kazooie

Tekken

Brazzers

Tomb Raider

Uncharted

Crazy Taxi

Worms

Bonk

Saint’s Row

Twisted Metal

LEGO

Devil May Cry

Conker

Endless Ocean

Wild Arms



What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on August 21, 2018, 09:24:20 PM
one of these things is not like the others

one of these things just doesn't belong
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on August 21, 2018, 09:29:55 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

gear up for more fire emblem content

Not even kidding, literally just yesterday when I was playing Heroes I was thinking, "What if the home menu theme somehow got into Smash but sped up to suit a match?"

Now I just need Epic Yarn / Woolly World's composer. (I know David Wise isn't in, unfortunately.)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Borp on August 21, 2018, 09:35:09 PM
What do you guys think?

It sure is a list.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on August 21, 2018, 09:42:33 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

gear up for more fire emblem content

*berkut merging intensifies*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 21, 2018, 09:48:26 PM
There is a storied history, not just with Nintendo, but with gaming in general. I feel like Smash celebrates all aspects and avenues of game so here are some franchises that I think should have some representation, either as playable characters, ATs, or trophies.

Crash Bandicoot

Spyro

King of Fighters

Tekken

Assassin’s Creed

Suikoden

Phoenix Wright

NiGHTs

Professor Layton

Banjo-Kazooie

Tekken

Brazzers

Tomb Raider

Uncharted

Crazy Taxi

Worms

Bonk

Saint’s Row

Twisted Metal

LEGO

Devil May Cry

Conker

Endless Ocean

Wild Arms



What do you guys think?

Some of these things you mentioned have no history with Nintendo at all like Uncharted, Devil May Cry, Twisted Metal, Saints Row, Wild Arms, And LEGO did not start as a video game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on August 21, 2018, 10:00:12 PM
I can't believe FEH will forever haunt me in Smash Bros. too. Veronica for Smash btw.

one of these things is not like the others

one of these things just doesn't belong
Well yeah, they put Tekken on there twice.  :posh:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on August 21, 2018, 10:05:08 PM
i'm going to drop all my orbs to summon k.rool
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on August 22, 2018, 02:29:16 AM
There is a storied history, not just with Nintendo, but with gaming in general. I feel like Smash celebrates all aspects and avenues of game so here are some franchises that I think should have some representation, either as playable characters, ATs, or trophies.

Crash Bandicoot

Spyro

King of Fighters

Tekken

Assassin’s Creed

Suikoden

Phoenix Wright

NiGHTs

Professor Layton

Banjo-Kazooie

Tekken

Brazzers

Tomb Raider

Uncharted

Crazy Taxi

Worms

Bonk

Saint’s Row

Twisted Metal

LEGO

Devil May Cry

Conker

Endless Ocean

Wild Arms



What do you guys think?


Honestly I prefer Smash to be a mostly Nintendo characters with a bit of third party, but if we get too much of these, it really would feel messy.

Not saying it wouldn't be cool to see these, but we need to be reminded that it's still Smash Bros, the series that brings Nintendo All-Stars together, so I consider third parties just as guest. Well maybe except Sonic, MegaMan, PacMan. These fit too well in there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on August 22, 2018, 02:35:43 AM
I don't think Lego would work, because they didn't originate in video games.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on August 22, 2018, 07:07:09 AM
There is a storied history, not just with Nintendo, but with gaming in general. I feel like Smash celebrates all aspects and avenues of game

You may feel that way but you're wrong.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 22, 2018, 05:25:35 PM
There is a storied history, not just with Nintendo, but with gaming in general. I feel like Smash celebrates all aspects and avenues of game

You may feel that way but you're wrong.
Well, it kinda does.
We have Nintendo along with the mascots of Sega, Capcom, Konami and Square-Enix (which also has the added benefit of adding the poster-boy for the PS1 (RPGwise anyway): Cloud Strife). We haven't seen anything like this since Captain N and that was nowhere near as ambitious.
Though, most of the stuff on that list is just plain silly.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on August 22, 2018, 06:03:08 PM
"Game" is a lot more than just that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 22, 2018, 06:08:10 PM
all aspects and avenues of game
http://projectmgame.com/
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Swiftie_Luma on August 22, 2018, 06:12:49 PM
correct me if im wrong but every character in smash including the third parties have at least 1 Nintendo game pre their Smash debut.

So unless im incorrect on the statement , then it's pretty much all about Nintendo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 22, 2018, 08:01:28 PM
correct me if im wrong but every character in smash including the third parties have at least 1 Nintendo game pre their Smash debut.

So unless im incorrect on the statement , then it's pretty much all about Nintendo.
Snake has.
Technically Cloud has, but I find it borderline cheating considering Kingdom Hearts was really the only times that it wasn't just as part of an ensamble/crossover.
Yes, I'm aware of the irony in that post.

"Game" is a lot more than just that.
Retro-gaming then.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: 09: Luigi on August 26, 2018, 12:59:44 PM
I still can't believe they're putting all this stuff on the switch... a console(?) you can play anywhere

This game is probably going to take over my life
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on August 26, 2018, 03:16:55 PM
Retro-gaming then.

I stand by what I said.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on August 26, 2018, 03:18:34 PM
This was talked for a bit about on Discord. But apparently it looks like it will be possible to unlock any characters outside the Original 12/8 from the start if you have and scan your Amiibo of that character. (https://www.reddit.com/r/AmiiboCanada/comments/9a9o2c/scanning_an_amiibo_unlocks_the_character_in_ssbu/)

So if I want to, I can get Sonic (As well as Mega Man, and Pac-Man. All the other Amiibo though are Original 12 members and... Waluigi. Though if it's actually Original 8 as the starters then I can unlock Luigi early too) from the get go.

But I'm kinda torn, I think it will all really depend on how character unlocks are done. I may prefer to unlock everybody so I feel like I earn the entire roster instead if the method's are fun and/or interestingly varied. But if it's tedious or at least takes forever to get to Sonic then I'll do it. But I think Sonic will be the only exception if I unlock anybody with an Amiibo. For now though, it depends how unlocks are done, which we don't know completely yet.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 26, 2018, 04:09:01 PM
I think the Smash 4 Amiibo are still compatible with Ultimate, so that only leaves Young Link, Pichu and Snake with no clear way for right now.
I'm in the same boat. If the unlock methods are fun, I'll do it manually but if I can't wait, I'll just scan Bowser and Junior in and have them from the get-go.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 26, 2018, 04:37:47 PM
Young Link, Pichu and Snake with no clear way for right now.
Young Link has the Majora's Mask amiibo I assume. Also Ice Climbers, Squirtle, and Ivysaur, but I guess the latter two could use the Charizard amiibo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on August 26, 2018, 06:42:37 PM
I just want to know if Pichu has his adorable blue pilot outfit again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 26, 2018, 06:53:54 PM
I just want to know if Pichu has his adorable blue pilot outfit again.
I think Pikachu lost the goggles, so that's probably a sign.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 27, 2018, 12:06:09 AM
Oh boy what if Plusle and Minun are echo fighters
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on August 27, 2018, 12:31:16 AM
Just want to say that best Smash Bros character Ness is today's featured fighter. That is all.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on August 27, 2018, 12:47:56 AM
I can't wait for the Sans echo fighter based on Ness
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on August 27, 2018, 12:54:35 AM
Yeah I'm sure that will happen.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on August 27, 2018, 01:00:53 AM
Oh boy what if Plusle and Minun are echo fighters

I'd doubt that.

Although it is possible seeing they might have been considered for Brawl? But I don't see it happening, they're most likely gonna go with a new Pokemon, perhaps Decidueye or Gardevoir, since at this point one of them is probably the most likely out of the Gen 7 starters, and the other one has had rumors surrounding it being a newcomer.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on August 27, 2018, 04:04:32 PM
Young Link, Pichu and Snake with no clear way for right now.
Young Link has the Majora's Mask amiibo I assume. Also Ice Climbers, Squirtle, and Ivysaur, but I guess the latter two could use the Charizard amiibo.
Wasn't it confirmed that all veterans that were absent in Smash 4 are getting amiibo or am I mistaken?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 27, 2018, 04:29:03 PM
If Spirits will be a full fledged story mode then most likely the end credits will consist of staff members of the game, while Classic mode will have you maybe shoot the characters m assist trophies and items like in Brawl. Or something like that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on August 27, 2018, 04:42:17 PM
Young Link, Pichu and Snake with no clear way for right now.
Young Link has the Majora's Mask amiibo I assume. Also Ice Climbers, Squirtle, and Ivysaur, but I guess the latter two could use the Charizard amiibo.
Wasn't it confirmed that all veterans that were absent in Smash 4 are getting amiibo or am I mistaken?
They will, I was just responding to ThatGuy62's post.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on August 27, 2018, 09:57:43 PM
Just want to say that best Smash Bros character Ness is today's featured fighter. That is all.

A-freaking-men
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on August 28, 2018, 01:25:56 AM
Speaking of which, for all the hardcore Mother fans on this site, since Ninten will most likely be added as a Ness Echo, what stage from the first game should be added since this game is really giving the series love by adding every stage?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on August 28, 2018, 02:32:03 AM
Don't we technically already have Magicant though? Because I know that the Magicant we have in Smash is actually how it looked like in Mother.

The EarthBound version has veggies everywhere.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on August 28, 2018, 04:17:42 PM
I can say with a reasonable amount of certainty that Mother will not get a new stage in Ultimate (in fact, I'm pretty sure Mario and Zelda will be the only returning series to get new ones). Magicant from the 3DS serves the role well enough and that is confirmed to be returning.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on August 28, 2018, 09:02:08 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html


I was doubtful as soon as I saw that "game that must not be named." But it's a million times better than the original
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on August 28, 2018, 09:16:39 PM
It's amazing what removing it from New Island's sound direction did for it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on August 28, 2018, 09:18:38 PM
Long as I don't hear any kazoos.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on August 28, 2018, 10:07:39 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html


I was doubtful as soon as I saw that "game that must not be named." But it's a million times better than the original

It's hard to get any worse, so any rearrangement is an improvement.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on August 29, 2018, 01:58:00 AM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html


I was doubtful as soon as I saw that "game that must not be named." But it's a million times better than the original
"Game that must not be named"?  You mean Hotel Mario? :P

Unpopular opinion here, but the original arrangement really wasn't bad.  Still, this new arrangement is better.  This arrangement should have been the overworld theme for Yoshi's New Kazoo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on August 29, 2018, 02:02:07 PM
I thought it was an arrangement of the Yoshi Clan but now I think that would be a good addition for Smash Bros. over Final Destination and every other tourney-legal stage.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 04, 2018, 05:57:09 PM
Oh my God I just realized! If Final Smashes are now getting straight to the point instead of controlling the character, then what’s Yoshi’s new final Smash?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on September 04, 2018, 06:11:49 PM
Oh my God I just realized! If Final Smashes are now getting straight to the point instead of controlling the character, then what’s Yoshi’s new final Smash?

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a cinematic version of it. But would be cool to get something else. Maybe a Yoshi stampede like in Melee's opening?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on September 04, 2018, 08:23:31 PM
I wonder what Robin's new Final Smash will be since Chrom is now playable.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on September 04, 2018, 08:45:32 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

Fortress Boss from SMB3 is here
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 04, 2018, 09:42:00 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

Fortress Boss from SMB3 is here
This is really, really, really good.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on September 04, 2018, 11:38:18 PM
That violin...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 04, 2018, 11:56:17 PM
This is dope

Woild've been cool if it had a proper opening, but this is still pretty great.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on September 05, 2018, 12:20:56 AM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

Fortress Boss from SMB3 is here
BOOM BOOM CONFIRMED!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 05, 2018, 01:15:41 AM
This version made me think I’m fighting the Koopalings in a mystical forest in front of a waterfall! That’s how elegant this version sounds!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on September 05, 2018, 04:05:09 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlR7gKSVsAEm0Kd.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlR7gMNUYAA4Nly.jpg)
Fox's home stage is pretty.
But really, the background for the second pic reminds me of Master Core
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on September 05, 2018, 07:46:29 AM
I hope this is as far as they go with the detail on the Final Destination platform itself. IMO it's getting too detailed now :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 05, 2018, 07:51:05 AM
The new FD looks sick, I love it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 05, 2018, 08:24:04 AM
I hope this is as far as they go with the detail on the Final Destination platform itself. IMO it's getting too detailed now :P

IT CAN NEVER BE TOO DETAILED.

Aside from jokes, this is sick. Although right at the moment I like Sm4sh Wii U version better. The two planets colliding in that was majestic.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 05, 2018, 11:32:00 AM
It's that time again fellas. We got a direct coming our way. Who's it gonna be?

My mind is telling me the Gen VII Pokémon but my heart tells me Isaac. I can also see Skull Kid or Bandana Dee happening.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on September 05, 2018, 12:08:11 PM
I don't want any smash bros. in this direct.
Smash should be it's own thing entirely.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 05, 2018, 12:33:34 PM
I believe this is where we’ll see Geno.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on September 05, 2018, 01:13:08 PM
predicting Incineroar
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on September 05, 2018, 01:20:23 PM
it'll be skull kid probs
that said i really hope they spend a minimal amount of time on smash this direct
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on September 05, 2018, 01:38:46 PM
Yeah we already got full-blown directs only about Smash, I don't want the directs to be only about Smash all the time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on September 05, 2018, 02:19:32 PM
I'm expecting Skull Kid. Maybe they'll just reveal him and the rest will be unrelated to Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 05, 2018, 02:28:58 PM
Could either be Skull Kid or Gen VII Pokemon, or even Bandana Dee. I'd be happy with either though.

You know with all the Decidueye and Incineroar speculation going on, it would be pretty hilarious if Sakurai actually went out of the way to put Primarina over the two (which however won't happen, let's be real, just thought I'd mention that for my own comical relief). Might not be a Gen VII Pokemon for all we know though, I mean Gen III or V haven't got any reps yet.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on September 05, 2018, 02:31:38 PM
Not gonna lie, I think Inceinroar is going to be the most boring, uninteresting newcomer reveal if it was to be true.

I don't really care what moveset it has, I just hate how it looks and that I'd rather have pretty much any of the other speculated Pokemon over it. Even Primarina would have been more interesting.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on September 05, 2018, 02:35:26 PM
I agree, Incineroar is trash.

Pokemon Company is so entitled and petulant and a massive ass-prick to developers to not only Smash Bros. but Super Mario Maker, I think I'd rest easier if Pokemon didn't get any new content ever again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 05, 2018, 02:36:39 PM
I actually think Primarina is a good choice though, Squirtle is the only Water type so far, and both are pretty different from each other.

Besides, with Primarina's physical shape to work with, they would have to come up with an interesting moveset.

Although I still like Decidueye better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on September 05, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
Anyway

https://sourcegaming.info/2018/09/05/no-such-thing-as-bad-music-in-a-great-game-sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-562/

"It really makes me think there’s no such thing as bad music in a great game."

I mean I do beg to differ. I don't think anyone wants to listen to 25m's BGM especially over the other good songs in 75m, unless they're being ironic or whatever (even then that wears down quickly).

Still, the number of music in this game IS impressive and that there will probably be at least one song you'll really like, at least one for each stage, even.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 05, 2018, 02:40:57 PM
I actually think Primarina is a good choice though, Squirtle is the only Water type so far, and both are pretty different from each other.

Besides, with Primarina's physical shape to work with, they would have to come up with an interesting moveset.

Although I still like Decidueye better.

Edit: I forgot Greninja.

But hey, look at it this way. Both Charizard and Incineroar are powerhouses who look like wrestlers, while Squirtle is a tiny turtle that squirts water, Greninja is a frog Ninja, and Primarina is an elegant mermaid-like sea lion.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 05, 2018, 03:11:13 PM
Obviously they won’t spend much time on Smash, they’ll just show off a character or two like they did in other Nintendo directs before Smash 4 came out.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on September 05, 2018, 03:40:48 PM
If Ultimate is going to be in the Direct, I would like to see what the teased mode is.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 05, 2018, 03:59:25 PM
If Ultimate is going to be in the Direct, I would like to see what the teased mode is.

I'd rather they reveal that...never. And then play the game knowing nothing about it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on September 05, 2018, 04:30:33 PM
I'd be fine with Skull Kid, I'd be ecstatic for Bandana Dee or any other Kirby character, and I'd have literally no hype if Incineroar is announced.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 05, 2018, 04:41:22 PM
If Ultimate is going to be in the Direct, I would like to see what the teased mode is.
That will most likely be saved for November.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on September 05, 2018, 04:54:53 PM
I'll probably be okay with anyone.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

...there will probably be at least one song you'll really like, at least one for each stage, even.
To be fair, you really don't have a choice for Midgar.
Also, it's ironic you say that considering how "My Music" was overhauled in this game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on September 05, 2018, 06:15:11 PM
Hoping for Geno!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Yukiho Hagiwara on September 05, 2018, 06:32:26 PM
hoping that, at the most, there's one reveal trailer and thats it
there's been an overload of smash info since e3 and i feel like its too soon after the smash direct to have more about it right now
i also wouldnt be opposed to no smash at all tbh but i dont think they could do that without causing a riot on the internet
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 05, 2018, 07:27:55 PM
I'm expecting one character trailer at the very end. Nothing more. Something like the direct where Rosalina was announced. Expecting anything more is asking for too much imo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 05, 2018, 08:47:36 PM
Hopefully one character reveal in the very opening of the direct and another at the end of the direct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on September 05, 2018, 10:57:06 PM
What about the Wii safety guy?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on September 06, 2018, 12:02:17 AM
Sakurai hasn't retweeted the Direct announcement like he usually does, so I'm not expecting anything Smash-related.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 06, 2018, 12:14:41 AM
Sakurai hasn't retweeted the Direct announcement like he usually does, so I'm not expecting anything Smash-related.
Has he ever tweeted anything Smash related pre Nintendo direct for Smash 4 other than the obvious Smash directs?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on September 06, 2018, 12:52:01 AM
Sakurai hasn't retweeted the Direct announcement like he usually does, so I'm not expecting anything Smash-related.
Has he ever tweeted anything Smash related pre Nintendo direct for Smash 4 other than the obvious Smash directs?

Yes, and the occasional "Hey, there's a Direct coming, nudge nudge" Miiverse post.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on September 06, 2018, 07:48:58 AM
Maybe he hasn't retweeted it because it was delayed and we don't know the new date yet?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Alex95 on September 07, 2018, 08:37:06 PM
So I looked back through my Ask Thread...
Should a future Smash game include a "Smashville" option, like the Ω stages?
I'd rather a Battlefield version.
I guess I got my wish :lol:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on September 11, 2018, 04:07:10 PM
As listed at the bottom of this page (https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/super-smash-bros-switch), Super Smash Bros. Ultimate now has an ESRB age rating:

Spoiler: ESRB Age Rating (click to show/hide)

This must mean that the ESRB knows the entire roster.  Could the ESRB leak be happening all over again?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on September 11, 2018, 04:46:21 PM
I doubt anyone would be willing to risk leaking the whole roster again.
It would be interesting to know if any content gets removed like the Tharja trophy did though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on September 11, 2018, 05:06:17 PM
The ESRB is usually good at keeping secrets, since they would know spoilers about every game months before its release. An employee leaking it like with Smash 4 is very rare, so it's unlikely that it would happen again with Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on September 11, 2018, 08:51:16 PM
yeah I'm not expecting another leak on that level again

also happy Pikmin day

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on September 11, 2018, 11:36:21 PM
don't see why an employee would want to risk their job again for this sort of *bleep* in the long-term. i mean, the leaker for the last time that happened is now facing heavy, long-term consequences for that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on September 12, 2018, 01:14:21 PM
This must mean that the ESRB knows the entire roster.  Could the ESRB leak be happening all over again?
This also could be concerning the content of the trophies.

Oooor it's just Bayonetta.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 12, 2018, 06:00:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/2eNmUwh.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on September 12, 2018, 06:19:03 PM
yeah I'm not expecting another leak on that level again

also happy Pikmin day

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

Disappointed that it's another rearrangement of a song that's already in Smash Bros, but I prefer this version to the one in the previous games, so I guess it evens out.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on September 12, 2018, 09:46:57 PM
So going by the "one-per-series" pattern, only songs from Star Fox, Pokemon, Animal Crossing(!), Wii Fit, Sonic and Pac-Man are left. Assuming Game & Watch, FF and Bayonetta will reuse the same songs from Smash 4 according to their song count in the Direct, those series won't be getting any new ones (unless there are some unlockable, though I doubt it).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on September 13, 2018, 09:08:59 AM
So going by the "one-per-series" pattern, only songs from Star Fox, Pokemon, Animal Crossing(!), Wii Fit, Sonic and Pac-Man are left. Assuming Game & Watch, FF and Bayonetta will reuse the same songs from Smash 4 according to their song count in the Direct, those series won't be getting any new ones (unless there are some unlockable, though I doubt it).
You mean we won't get Stardust Speedway Bad Future, Studiopolis Acts 1 and 2, the Pac-Man Arrangement final boss theme and no Star Fox Zero music? :-[
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on September 13, 2018, 06:45:32 PM
Shoulda been Tom Nook.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on September 13, 2018, 06:49:51 PM
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/fighter/isabelle/ss_2.jpg)

Koops is gonna be so happy.

She's actually not an echo of Villager surprisingly and is her own character, though her moveset looks inspired by Villager's kind of like Fox and Wolf.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on September 13, 2018, 06:52:23 PM
it finally happened, a newcomer i'm completely indifferent toward

that smash switch dock looks sick as hell though
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 13, 2018, 07:08:44 PM
I knew Isabelle was gonna be in but...

1. I thought she would be an echo fighter

2. Really? This is the character we’ve been building up to this entire direct?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on September 13, 2018, 07:09:52 PM
Should been Tom Nook.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on September 13, 2018, 07:27:27 PM
I'm glad the fishing rod finally gets use in an Animal Crossing moveset.

Shoulda been Tom Nook.
Really? This is the character we’ve been building up to this entire direct?
The hyped Isabelle fans would probably disagree.

And what would Nook have done, anyway? Isabelle does many activities in the core series, so she definitely had more variety to offer as a moveset. Nook had his shops, yes, but he didn't really use any of the stuff there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 13, 2018, 07:30:38 PM
Another point for Vergeben. In addition to leaking ICs, Snake, Ridley, and Simon, he also said Isabelle would be in. Hope you guys are ready for Incineroar and Ken.

Isabelle isn't super hype for me, but she's very deserving of a spot. And the fact that she's a semi-clone and not an echo means good things for characters like Dixe who aren't quite unique enough but also are too different to be an echo.

I can't be mad about Isabelle. I got my two most wanted: K. Rool and Ridley, super happy for her fans though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on September 13, 2018, 07:39:10 PM
And what would Nook have done, anyway? Isabelle does many activities in the core series, so she definitely had more variety to offer as a moveset. Nook had his shops, yes, but he didn't really use any of the stuff there.

He sells all the stuff the villager uses so it's not hard to believe he knows how to use it.

His Final Smash would be massive debt.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on September 13, 2018, 07:51:35 PM
she's my least favorite non echo thus far

which is saying very little because every single one of them has been someone I really wanted lol. I for one am looking forward to beating up the likes of Bowser and Ganondorf with the dog secretary from Animal Crossing, and I'm pleasantly surprised she's not an echo
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on September 13, 2018, 07:58:20 PM
Ok I learned my lesson. Don't go in believing we'll get Geno. But I still think it would be a complete shock if he didn't show up at some point what with Sakurai's statement about liking the character and wanting him since Brawl, and Square-Enix being on-board and having had Cloud in Smash 4 DLC. I believe Geno is logically next and I can't see Sakurai passing it up. That always bites me though.

That said, I don't care for Isabelle but I don't oppose her either. The buildup to her reveal took way too long with me knowing it had to be Smash way too early though. Like, as soon as Smash was namedropped I knew, but the buildup just took forever after that. I just wish there was like, a general Smash trailer too that showed off things like the story mode.

That last bit made me think Tom Nook would be in Smash too for a second. I imagine Josh Thomas is freaking out right now. Me, I'd have also liked the Smash reveal (and Animal Crossing and end of direct) to be about 5-10 minutes earlier because pretty much everything they showed in the previous 10 minutes after Yoshi's Crafted World made it feel like 30 minutes. I'd almost call that a record for longest sequence of trailers for things I don't care about that I can recall lol.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on September 13, 2018, 08:11:09 PM
Ok I learned my lesson. Don't go in believing we'll get Geno. But I still think it would be a complete shock if he didn't show up at some point what with Sakurai's statement about liking the character and wanting him since Brawl, and Square-Enix being on-board and having had Cloud in Smash 4 DLC. I believe Geno is logically next and I can't see Sakurai passing it up. That always bites me though.

That said, I don't care for Isabelle but I don't oppose her either. The buildup to her reveal took way too long with me knowing it had to be Smash way too early though. Like, as soon as Smash was namedropped I knew, but the buildup just took forever after that. I just wish there was like, a general Smash trailer too that showed off things like the story mode.

That last bit made me think Tom Nook would be in Smash too for a second. I imagine Josh Thomas is freaking out right now. Me, I'd have also liked the Smash reveal (and Animal Crossing and end of direct) to be about 5-10 minutes earlier because pretty much everything they showed in the previous 10 minutes after Yoshi's Crafted World made it feel like 30 minutes. I'd almost call that a record for longest sequence of trailers for things I don't care about that I can recall lol.

And this is why I tell you broaden your pallet, all it causes you is obsession and frustration.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on September 13, 2018, 08:14:42 PM
Or just don't watch Directs any more and come with low expectations from information by people who have suffered through the Directs for you like I do. Usually does the job for me. Worked this time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on September 13, 2018, 08:15:10 PM
Isabelle is a character who would be destined to take up a slot on the character select screen, never to be used, at least in my version of Smash Ultimate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on September 13, 2018, 08:15:54 PM
I'm fine with Isabelle. I'm surprised she's a semi-clone like Lucas and Falco, was expecting a full blown echo with different visual properties. Certainly a lot more hyped for her than I would have been about Incineroar (and Ken with the Vergeben leak), that's for sure.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on September 13, 2018, 08:16:51 PM
Or just don't watch Directs any more and come with low expectations from information by people who have suffered through the Directs for you like I do. Usually does the job for me. Worked this time.

And yet when I tell you about a good thing months from now you are all like "never heard about that"

Never trust second hand information.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on September 13, 2018, 08:17:33 PM
I can't believe Bill Trinen's favorite character is in Smash.

Or just don't watch Directs any more and come with low expectations from information by people who have suffered through the Directs for you like I do. Usually does the job for me. Worked this time.
Also this, except I keep low expectations for my most wanted in general. ;)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on September 13, 2018, 08:24:50 PM
And yet when I tell you about a good thing months from now you are all like "never heard about that"

Never trust second hand information.
yeah cuz people suck at dispelling information they take in that I can easily read without having to sit through Youtube of all the other boring stuff

don't have much motivation to go Youtube anyway
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on September 13, 2018, 08:44:53 PM
So going by the "one-per-series" pattern, only songs from Star Fox, Pokemon, Animal Crossing(!), Wii Fit, Sonic and Pac-Man are left. Assuming Game & Watch, FF and Bayonetta will reuse the same songs from Smash 4 according to their song count in the Direct, those series won't be getting any new ones (unless there are some unlockable, though I doubt it).
You mean we won't get Stardust Speedway Bad Future, Studiopolis Acts 1 and 2, the Pac-Man Arrangement final boss theme and no Star Fox Zero music? :-[

No, I meant G&W, FF and Bayonetta, not the other series.

Sakurai hasn't retweeted the Direct announcement like he usually does, so I'm not expecting anything Smash-related.

Welp, see what coming in with low expectations does for you

I guess he forgot or caught on and wanted to surprise us.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 13, 2018, 10:53:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/svnyhl4.png)

New prediction roster
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on September 14, 2018, 12:40:20 AM
wasnt really that excited for isabelle since i dont really care for animal crossing but the more i think about it who doesnt want to play as a cute dog secretary
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on September 14, 2018, 01:02:04 AM
I'm not indifferent towards Isabella but i'm not overjoyed shes a character i'm fine with. I did love here trailer though because I just love the idea of it being a great honor for a character to get into smash and I think shes adorable as a fighter.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ZelenPixel on September 14, 2018, 06:46:22 AM
i wouldnt say isabelle was in my wanted newcomers, and i went into the direct hoping for bandana dee, but im still so glad she got in! kinda surprised to see so many people disappointed
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 14, 2018, 08:21:11 AM
Koops is gonna be so happy.

I KNOW RIGHT?!

How amazing it is she's not an echo, I didn't even want that much! I know I asked for her to be playable in some way, but seriously, I did not even expect her to get revealed now. I personally think this was a nice way to tie into the Animal Crossing Switch teaser that came afterward. I can see why people would be disappointed, but... well I'm most certainly NOT!

Sakurai, shut up and take my *bleep*ing money.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/833/221/44f.gif)(I've been waiting for a long time to use this gif.)

All this game needs to be perfect at this point for me is Bandana Dee... please make it happen.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 14, 2018, 08:29:26 AM
Animal Crossing is weird in my opinion.

That being said, I'm definitely going to try out Isabelle. I hope that but where she pulls out a stop sign is more than an aesthetic thing they did for giggles, and that it's an actual move.
Isabelle's a secretary, right? She should stab someone with a pencil as a move.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snoadgamer on September 14, 2018, 10:12:49 AM
At first when I saw Tom Nook I thought he would be like "I'll get my chance another day!" and be in Smash 6, just like what happened with Chrom.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on September 14, 2018, 01:09:05 PM
When I saw Tom Nook, I thought he would be an echo of Isabelle.  I was wrong.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: saltypepper on September 14, 2018, 02:20:33 PM
Did not expect Isabelle to actually come into Smash as a brand new character, but hey, I don't really have anything against her. She looks awesome to play as.

Not to mention I've run out of characters I actually want in Smash so

Also I'm assuming because the Smash bundle offers a download code on November 2nd (the game releases on December 7th) we can preload it on that day. Cool, that means I can play it first minute!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Borp on September 14, 2018, 07:28:41 PM
Animal Crossing is weird in my opinion.

Why, in your opinion?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on September 14, 2018, 09:13:37 PM
Did not expect Isabelle to actually come into Smash as a brand new character, but hey, I don't really have anything against her. She looks awesome to play as.

Not to mention I've run out of characters I actually want in Smash so

Also I'm assuming because the Smash bundle offers a download code on November 2nd (the game releases on December 7th) we can preload it on that day. Cool, that means I can play it first minute!
No, the download code isn't valid until December 7.  Sorry.

EDIT: Here's my source (https://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/09/14/super-smash-bros-ultimate-nintendo-switch-bundle-pre-order/).
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on September 14, 2018, 09:34:50 PM
Oh god now I'm suddenly reminded of the downloade code brouhoohahaha in pre-release Smash 3DS. Some schlops were even stupid enough to part with their own money to get a download code for a demo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 14, 2018, 10:01:47 PM
https://twitter.com/ConnorEatsPants/status/1040744991176486912 (https://twitter.com/ConnorEatsPants/status/1040744991176486912)

Read this whole Twitter thread from ConnorEatsPants. It leads credence to the idea that we may only be getting two more characters, with one of them being Ken.

It's possible Verge was right on the money and Ken and Incineroar are the last two. But he also mentioned a second square enix character. Take all of this with a grain of salt, but man having Ken and Incineroar be the final two characters would be kinda lame.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 14, 2018, 10:11:20 PM
Animal Crossing is weird in my opinion.

Why, in your opinion?

Eh, I dunno. I'd probably like it if I actually tried playing it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on September 14, 2018, 10:27:23 PM
See my gut tells me there will be another smash direct
And if Ken is an echo I can't imagine thryd treat him as a huge announcement since they haven't given any other echos trailers.
Also who else is excited for when people start realising their pet characters won't get in smash and get really uppity at Nintendo over it
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on September 14, 2018, 10:31:32 PM
I need Geno.  And Bandana Dee.  I need both of them, so don't let me down, Nintendo!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 14, 2018, 10:36:26 PM
And if Ken is an echo I can't imagine thryd treat him as a huge announcement since they haven't given any other echos trailers.
The only thing I can see is that since he's a third party, they'll do something special for him. Not a full newcomer trailer, but a bit more spotlight than the typical echo.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on September 14, 2018, 10:40:54 PM
Also who else is excited for when people start realising their pet characters won't get in smash and get really uppity at Nintendo over it
As much as I point and laugh at the Waluigi fanbase, I'd rather not get excited over something that involves real victims.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on September 14, 2018, 10:43:50 PM
I need Geno.  And Bandana Dee.  I need both of them, so don't let me down, Nintendo!
it's already started
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on September 14, 2018, 10:44:40 PM
I need Geno.  And Bandana Dee.  I need both of them, so don't let me down, Nintendo!
it's already started
Yeah, they probably will let me down.  But I can dream.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on September 14, 2018, 10:46:55 PM
I need Geno.  And Bandana Dee.  I need both of them, so don't let me down, Nintendo!
it's already started
Yeah, they probably will let me down.  But I can dream.
they'll probably sell you those dreams at a cost
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on September 14, 2018, 10:51:13 PM
I need Geno.  And Bandana Dee.  I need both of them, so don't let me down, Nintendo!
it's already started
Yeah, they probably will let me down.  But I can dream.
they'll probably sell you those dreams at a cost
Waluigi was the cost.  I've paid already.  So I get them or I get scammed.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on September 14, 2018, 10:52:11 PM
https://twitter.com/ConnorEatsPants/status/1040744991176486912 (https://twitter.com/ConnorEatsPants/status/1040744991176486912)

Read this whole Twitter thread from ConnorEatsPants. It leads credence to the idea that we may only be getting two more characters, with one of them being Ken.

It's possible Verge was right on the money and Ken and Incineroar are the last two. But he also mentioned a second square enix character. Take all of this with a grain of salt, but man having Ken and Incineroar be the final two characters would be kinda lame.

I'd be perfectly ok with this. Already satisfied since E3. So I'd be alright with only two more characters left to know. And even if it is just Ken and Incineroar.

It's best for now to think this is it for now, that way if that's NOT the case. Then it's an even better surprise.

And don't forget about DLC.

Until it's official we won't know for sure. But I do admit this box theory does have a little solid foundation. Even if it will have it's inevitable backlash if it's true (No Geno, No Shadow, etc.)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 14, 2018, 11:10:24 PM
Oh trust me, I'm more than satisfied with the roster. I got every past veteran and my top two newcomers. It's just that Ken and Incineroar are just kind of a weak note to end on. I'm sure both would be fun to play, but they're kind of anti-climactic.

Just two remaining characters still puts us at 76 total characters, and that's more than I could have possibly asked for. Either way, this Smash is truly Ultimate. And even if the last few characters aren't super exciting, we still have that mysterious Spirits mode. That could be the big bombshell before launch.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on September 14, 2018, 11:48:55 PM
If Ken gets in, why not Barbie?

(https://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/b/boo2.gif)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 14, 2018, 11:50:24 PM
I doubt Sakurai of all people would decide to reveal any of these two as the last newcomer though. Vergeben may be right on everything so far, but I don't put my full trust on him just yet (even though I was kinda hoping he was right on Isabelle).

Speaking of which, didn't he say Isabelle was gonna be an echo?

No, I think the last character has got to be someone to hype the fans, Smash 4 had the old unexpeced retro character in the form of Duck Hunt, and you could tell it was a nice way to end the base roster reveals. And for the DLC, it was Bayonetta, apparently a highly requested character that lots of people were happy and hyped for. It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to get Geno as a final reveal, seeing how hype he would be, and if not for his popularity and the current theme of fan-service, how unexpected the guy would be. Heck... what if they do that with Banjo-Kazooie even? Imagine they both get revealed in the final Smash direct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on September 14, 2018, 11:57:38 PM
Speaking of which, didn't he say Isabelle was gonna be an echo?
Nope! She's her own character with a unique moveset!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 14, 2018, 11:58:28 PM
Speaking of which, didn't he say Isabelle was gonna be an echo?
No, he said he was unsure, and with how she's a semi-clone, I can see why he may not have been 100% sure.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 15, 2018, 12:40:28 AM
Speaking of which, didn't he say Isabelle was gonna be an echo?
Nope! She's her own character with a unique moveset!

I know, I was talking about the leaker though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on September 15, 2018, 03:17:34 AM
Another point for only two more characters left to reveal is that there are two empty spots on the website:

(https://imgur.com/Uf7ciYM.png)

It's not much, but it gives a bit more credibility to the idea.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on September 15, 2018, 05:20:52 AM
Another point for only two more characters left to reveal is that there are two empty spots on the website:

(https://imgur.com/Uf7ciYM.png)

It's not much, but it gives a bit more credibility to the idea.
Remember the website also said at one point there would be 65 characters
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 15, 2018, 05:53:38 AM
I doubt they would leave it this obvious to guess.

So who knows how much we got left?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on September 15, 2018, 06:04:50 AM
You know what if they only have two characters to add
assuming those spots account for echo's
then we'll have 69 unique fighters
nice.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on September 15, 2018, 02:49:34 PM
I'm combining 3 theories/rumors to compile the short list of characters that are possible in the base game.

THE LAST ECHO

Based on the box, there can only be one more echo on the side that isn't showing. And it can only be an echo of a character that's numbered 54-61. So from most likely to least likely:

Ken (Ryu)
Medusa (Palutena)
Zack Fair (Cloud)
Celica or whatever else Mage class Fire Emblem character (Robin)
Ms. Pac-Man (Pac-Man)
Any other choice (Echoes for Bowser Jr, Duck Hunt, and Shulk)

So this mean's echo possibilites like Funky Kong, Ninten, Black Shadow, Big Boss, Dixie (as an echo at least, Semi-Clone is still on the table but it might be like that anyway because of Isabelle), and Shadow the Hedgehog are all out of the running for the base game at least.

THE LAST NEWCOMER

Now the last newcomer comes to three different things. Once again the box theory, Verge's rumored character, and also... a music theory that's been going on where noticably a different franchise has been the music of the week each time. As some are saved for when their newcomer is revealed. Again from most likely to least likely:

Gen 7 Pokemon (Rumored heavily, most speculated to be Incineroar)
Elma (Would fall in line with Isabelle and Inklings being more recent characters. Sakurai's also a Xenoblade fan)
Tails (No this isn't just tinfoil hat theory because Tails happens to be my most wanted. Sonic music still has yet to show up. So there's the possibility Tails is our last base game newcomer if neither a Gen 7 Pokemon or Elma is it)
A non-echo Kid Icarus Newcomer (Maybe still Medusa but still done like Isabelle?)
A non-echo Earthbound character (Porky? Masked Man?)


This is all assuming the most major theories/rumors right now are true so feel free not to take this as gospel. But if there's only two left with one as an echo an one a unique/semi-clone. This is our pool of characters right now.

I do think Geno might be our Smash 4 Mewtwo of this game being the first DLC character though at least.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on September 15, 2018, 02:52:44 PM
I don't see either Geno or Bandana Dee on that list.  Sad.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on September 15, 2018, 02:58:08 PM
I still think Geno is going to be in the base game. It would shock me if everything Sakurai said about liking the character and wanting to add him since Brawl still skips out on the main game here.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 15, 2018, 03:06:21 PM
Yeah Geno is a lock at this point. He's even continue the trend of Mii costumes becoming playables. So far Inklings, Chrom, K. Rool and Isabelle are the newcomers that were previously Mii costumes.

I have something to say for the Black Knight. He was apparently replaced with someone else in the background of Castle Siege, meaning that he might actually be in the game in some way. My guess is he's gonna be a boss. Mainly because he wouldn't work as an echo of Ike since he is significantly taller, and as unique a character he would be, I think most people would be pissed to see "another Fire Emblem character" or "another sword fighter". And why would they bother changing the background a bit if they weren't doing anything significant with that? So Black Knight will probably be a boss.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on September 15, 2018, 03:14:18 PM
I heard that the character in the background of Castle Siege isn't actually the Black Knight but is some sort of generic enemy, a General according to Smash Wiki. The design is similar but not identical to the Black Knight.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on September 15, 2018, 03:52:20 PM
I still think Geno is going to be in the base game. It would shock me if everything Sakurai said about liking the character and wanting to add him since Brawl still skips out on the main game here.

It shocked people Mewtwo wasn't in the base game when people outright asked about Mewtwo right in front of Sakurai.

But that's exactly why I think Geno might just be our first DLC character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 15, 2018, 04:02:15 PM
What I think the last UNIQUE fighters will be:
Bandana Waddle Dee
Isaac
Incineroar/Decidueye
Geno
Banjo and Kazooie

What I think the last echoes will be:
Dixie Kong
Impa
Medusa
Ninten
Ken
Shadow
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Roserade on September 15, 2018, 04:22:08 PM
>no mentions of Skull Kid anywhere
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 15, 2018, 04:23:58 PM
At least there's a zelda character.

Any zelda character that's not another Link/zelda/ganon=good addition.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on September 15, 2018, 04:31:54 PM
What I think the last UNIQUE fighters will be:
Bandana Waddle Dee
Isaac
Incineroar/Decidueye
Geno
Banjo and Kazooie

What I think the last echoes will be:
Dixie Kong
Impa
Medusa
Ninten
Ken
Shadow

I think all of your newcomers besides Incineroar/Decidueye aren't coming base game. But Geno might well be the first DLC character at least.

And all echoes in that set besides Ken and Medusa are discounted as of the current box theory. Though again there could be echo fighter DLC. (Though after Isabelle, Dixie might be a semi-clone)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on September 15, 2018, 04:37:27 PM
I'm not really convinced on this theory personally, but if it is real, then the last two newcomers are probably Incineroar and Ken.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 15, 2018, 05:36:06 PM
I don’t think there will be “1 more Newcomer left” like people are saying. I think there could be 3-5 left. In October we could get a Pokémon rep and in the last Smash Direct in November they’ll announce a few more.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on September 15, 2018, 06:41:04 PM
So there's still hope for my pipe dreams? Bandana Waddle Dee, Maxwell, and (unlikely) Aloy?
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/kirby/images/c/c8/KRtDL_Waddle_Dee.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/133?cb=20111002085712&path-prefix=en)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/scribblenauts/images/c/c5/Maxwell_Unmasked.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/133?cb=20140919072025)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/horizonzerodawn/images/c/c6/NoraBrave.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/133?cb=20170629021227)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on September 15, 2018, 08:40:38 PM
My pipe dreams:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/kirby/images/4/49/KSA_Bandana_Waddle_Dee.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20180314180712&path-prefix=en)

(https://aproximatelytoomanygames.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/geno_artwork_super_mario_rpg_-_legend_of_the_seven_stars.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on September 15, 2018, 08:59:11 PM
My pipe dream:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/kirby/images/a/ad/Dark_Matter_Squeak_Squad.png/revision/latest?cb=20160707232018&path-prefix=en)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on September 15, 2018, 09:08:47 PM
My pipe dreams:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZYqnDnR.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 15, 2018, 09:19:01 PM
My pipe dreams:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/kirby/images/4/49/KSA_Bandana_Waddle_Dee.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20180314180712&path-prefix=en)

(https://aproximatelytoomanygames.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/geno_artwork_super_mario_rpg_-_legend_of_the_seven_stars.png)

My pipe dreams are above and below...

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/0/08/PMCS_Mario_2.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on September 15, 2018, 09:31:02 PM
I think Geno is more than a pipe dream at this point, but my pipe dreams are

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 15, 2018, 11:22:46 PM
Nah, Geno has a decent shot I believe.

In fact who knows how this will play out.

Anyway, I won't say these are a pipe dream, but those I want are:

-Bandana Dee, most of all.
-Isabe— Oh wait! She was confirmed!
-Geno. And no, he still has a chance.
-Any Zelda character. I'd welcome that with open arms.

However, here come my pipe dreams:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fantendo/images/f/f0/PaperMarioBeta.png/revision/latest?cb=20161203054644)

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/captain-toad/images/f/fe/CaptainToadArt3.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20141011032457)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Alex95 on September 16, 2018, 12:59:47 AM
Isaac
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 16, 2018, 01:10:51 AM
Well fellas, the plot thickens.

(http://dotup.org/uploda/dotup.org1643534.jpg)

CoroCoro has leaked and is claiming we are getting 108 stages, five more than the 103 mentioned in the direct. Now, there's a very real chance this is a misprint but it's something to be aware of. We may be getting new stages yet. Nothing is set in stone rn though, just remember that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 16, 2018, 01:26:14 AM
One of them better goddang well be Spiral Mountain! Banjo for Smash! Banjo for *bleep*ing Smash!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on September 16, 2018, 01:46:22 AM
I'd prefer a moving stage based on grunty's castle.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 16, 2018, 01:55:51 AM
I'd prefer a moving stage based on grunty's castle.
How would it work as a moving stage?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 16, 2018, 01:59:41 AM
They made New Donk City Hall a moving stage. And I thought that would be impossible but here we are.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 16, 2018, 02:01:03 AM
They made New Donk City Hall a moving stage. And I thought that would be impossible but here we are.
Yeah but that’s outside. He’s talking about Gruntilda’s castle which is inside.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on September 16, 2018, 02:04:09 AM
They made New Donk City Hall a moving stage. And I thought that would be impossible but here we are.
Yeah but that’s outside. He’s talking about Gruntilda’s castle which is inside.
A castle full of worlds
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on September 16, 2018, 02:11:30 AM
Crap I forgot about Paper Mario.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on September 16, 2018, 02:39:18 AM
We might be back to square one on the stage count. (https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1041203833244770305)

It's only the 8/8 direct stuff. The 108 could be a typo or a mistake by the writers assuming that the blank spaces would be revealed later. When they could leave it like that in the final game (And there's precedent for that in Smash(
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 16, 2018, 03:11:24 AM
That's what I figured. Oh well, back to the box theory.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on September 16, 2018, 03:12:27 AM
All of you are talking about your Pipe Dreams that at least have some chance to happen, but you've probably never even heard of mine:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/nintendo/images/f/f3/MikeJones.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080404200007&format=original&path-prefix=en)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on September 16, 2018, 07:17:37 AM
need melee mute city in glorious hd
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Borp on September 16, 2018, 10:36:41 AM
Banjo is my pipe dream tbh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on September 16, 2018, 02:33:12 PM
Well, Waluigi and Shovel Knight are pipe dreams for the current game because they were deconfirmed. Squid Sisters were already a pipe dream and then they were deconfirmed. Plague Knight and Kass from BOTW are also some characters that would be kinda cool but will never ever happen.

need melee mute city in glorious hd
Yeah, out of all the redundant stages, this one wasn't really that redundant, so it's sad that it's most likely not coming back.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on September 16, 2018, 02:39:13 PM
Poke Floats is the most unique not returning stage tbh.

I want it back because the chaos is perfect for 8-player smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on September 16, 2018, 02:57:06 PM
We might get new Poke Floats with updated Pokemon....
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 16, 2018, 03:58:58 PM
and Kass from BOTW

what.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on September 16, 2018, 07:09:59 PM
Poke Floats is the most unique not returning stage tbh.

I want it back because the chaos is perfect for 8-player smash.
POKÉ FLOATS
PICHU ONLY
BOB-OMBS ONLY ON VERY HIGH
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on September 16, 2018, 09:14:25 PM
TIME SET TO 15 MINUTES

DAMAGE RATIO 2.0

SD PENALTY -2

GOOOOO
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 17, 2018, 11:25:26 AM
Not sure if this evidence for more characters has been shown yet but...

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71BJbF%2Br8tL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)

This image for the SSBU Limited Edition on Amazon shows two empty spaces next to K. Rool. One for Isabelle (of course) and one for an unannounced character, Perhaps just one more newcomer?

Or maybe it's Charizard special edition, where he has a down-B.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 17, 2018, 11:30:01 AM
Guys...

If you think about it in some way, after that Direct came and went, Geno actually has even more chance of being in Smash now than we thought before.

Why?

Square looks like they are sharing a lot of content, since we got like... what, 6 Final Fantasy games?

And with that, what if they're ok with another Square rep in Smash? This does add some more credibility to VergeBen, and that Square character might be, of course, Geno!

So to all of you who want Geno, well, here's the hope you can cling on to.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on September 17, 2018, 12:10:53 PM
If SE gets a newcomer, I actually expect it to be Geno, if only because outside of maybe a dragon quest character, I don't expect anyone else.
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 17, 2018, 12:48:02 PM
Guys...

If you think about it in some way, after that Direct came and went, Geno actually has even more chance of being in Smash now than we thought before.

Why?

Square looks like they are sharing a lot of content, since we got like... what, 6 Final Fantasy games?

And with that, what if they're ok with another Square rep in Smash? This does add some more credibility to VergeBen, and that Square character might be, of course, Geno!

So to all of you who want Geno, well, here's the hope you can cling on to.

This is exactly what I thought as I watched the direct. Are you secretly spying on my brain?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 17, 2018, 12:54:57 PM
No.

Are you?

Or maybe we're just as analytic as each other.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 17, 2018, 01:55:04 PM
No.

Are you?

Or maybe we're just as analytic as each other.

I sure ain't.

But great minds think alike.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on September 17, 2018, 05:24:10 PM
Square has a franchise of rich games that i'd rather see before they waste it on a 4th tier Mario character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on September 17, 2018, 07:35:38 PM
I personally think Geno is the only logical next choice for a Square character, because he's equally a Square and Nintendo character. Even if Square owns the rights, he's from a Mario game so he's got indisputable ties to Nintendo's universe. As far as I'm concerned Super Mario RPG is the mascot of Square/Nintendo collaboration. But now that Cloud's in, and Square Enix is here to stay, I don't think there's any choice they have left that's more "Nintendo" than Geno.

Besides other SMRPG characters but why on earth would Geno not be the one lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 17, 2018, 08:07:04 PM
Besides other SMRPG characters but why on earth would Geno not be the one lol

Don't say that!!!

*the next month*

MALLOW
thinks he's a frog that insane son of a $&#$&
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on September 18, 2018, 12:05:18 PM
Source Gaming pointed out that

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on September 18, 2018, 12:30:27 PM
Source Gaming pointed out that

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
How about a Yarn Yoshi alt?

By the way, is the Woolly World stage returning?  I liked that stage.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on September 18, 2018, 12:57:59 PM
Woolly World is one of the missing ones, surprisingly
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on September 18, 2018, 05:54:54 PM
I personally think Geno is the only logical next choice for a Square character, because he's equally a Square and Nintendo character. Even if Square owns the rights, he's from a Mario game so he's got indisputable ties to Nintendo's universe. As far as I'm concerned Super Mario RPG is the mascot of Square/Nintendo collaboration. But now that Cloud's in, and Square Enix is here to stay, I don't think there's any choice they have left that's more "Nintendo" than Geno.

imo i'd prefer a dragon quest rep because they crossed over with mario at least three times (Itadaki Street, Fortune Street, and Mario Sports Mix), which is more games than geno has appeared in, plus dragon quest is a really popular series that has quite a few games on nintendo consoles as well. logically, i think it makes more sense than a character who has failed to even appear in the remake of the game he cameo'd in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on September 18, 2018, 06:19:41 PM
I'd rather have Lara Croft then again idk if anyone in the east actually cares about tomb raider
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on September 18, 2018, 06:26:09 PM
Lara Croft would be an excellent choice (she's owned by Square now? didn't know that) and I'd throw my support behind her, far more influential and recognizable than Geno.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on September 18, 2018, 07:29:35 PM
I thought she was always owned by them although it turns out they've only owned her since like 2009. but uh yeah Tomb Raider' s been published by them since then
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on September 18, 2018, 07:30:42 PM
haven't been following (shows you how casual i am at this knowledge) so please forgive me
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on September 18, 2018, 07:31:51 PM
Oh it's cool i was just kinda confused myself lol
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on September 18, 2018, 08:35:11 PM
the blog is showing off shovel knight's assist trophy

While I'm bummed he's not playable, I'm still glad he's in the game, regardless.  This is huge for Yacht Club and I'm super happy for them.  The fact that he's in a game alongside Mario, Mega Man, Link, Sonic, Samus, and well, everyone is amazing.

Here's hoping for Smash 6!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on September 18, 2018, 08:39:23 PM
the blog is showing off shovel knight's assist trophy

While I'm bummed he's not playable, I'm still glad he's in the game, regardless.  This is huge for Yacht Club and I'm super happy for them.  The fact that he's in a game alongside Mario, Mega Man, Link, Sonic, Samus, and well, everyone is amazing.

Here's hoping for Smash 6!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but...didn't they say that Ultimate was the finale of the series?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Alex95 on September 18, 2018, 09:00:42 PM
the blog is showing off shovel knight's assist trophy

While I'm bummed he's not playable, I'm still glad he's in the game, regardless.  This is huge for Yacht Club and I'm super happy for them.  The fact that he's in a game alongside Mario, Mega Man, Link, Sonic, Samus, and well, everyone is amazing.

Here's hoping for Smash 6!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but...didn't they say that Ultimate was the finale of the series?

Sakurai said that about every game since Melee, iirc.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on September 18, 2018, 09:02:42 PM
the blog is showing off shovel knight's assist trophy

While I'm bummed he's not playable, I'm still glad he's in the game, regardless.  This is huge for Yacht Club and I'm super happy for them.  The fact that he's in a game alongside Mario, Mega Man, Link, Sonic, Samus, and well, everyone is amazing.

Here's hoping for Smash 6!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but...didn't they say that Ultimate was the finale of the series?

Sakurai said that about every game since Melee, iirc.

I thought he said it since Brawl, but Ultimate looks like if it it the final game in the series. I cannot predict the future, so there may be another Smash game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 18, 2018, 09:16:57 PM
I don't think Ultimate will be the last game, but I think the next Smash will be a soft reboot of sorts. Maybe 40 characters with a lot of the veterans revamped. Ultimate seems like the celebration of the past 20 years of Smash, and whatever the next game is will signal a new era of Smash. Will Sakurai still be involved? That remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on September 18, 2018, 09:25:27 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

meanwhile here's the Happy Home Designer title theme
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on September 18, 2018, 09:28:12 PM
I liked neither of Totaka's arrangements in Smash 4. This one's... a little better.



So going by the "one-per-series" pattern, only songs from Star Fox, Pokemon, Animal Crossing(!), Wii Fit, Sonic and Pac-Man are left.

Completely forgot about WarioWare and Kid Icarus.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 18, 2018, 10:24:34 PM
I liked neither of Totaka's arrangements in Smash 4. This one's... a little better.



So going by the "one-per-series" pattern, only songs from Star Fox, Pokemon, Animal Crossing(!), Wii Fit, Sonic and Pac-Man are left.

Completely forgot about WarioWare and Kid Icarus.
And Mother, Xenoblade, Duck Hunt, and Punch-Out. Pretty sure Ice Climber, G&W, Bayonetta, and FF aren't getting any new music.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on September 18, 2018, 10:27:28 PM
So going by the "one-per-series" pattern, only songs from Star Fox, Pokemon, Animal Crossing(!), Wii Fit, Sonic and Pac-Man are left.

Completely forgot about WarioWare and Kid Icarus.

(https://i.imgur.com/e4QHYbU.png)(https://i.imgur.com/TKF3lrU.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on September 18, 2018, 10:29:21 PM
Uhh wow, I clearly didn't keep track of every series. :P I thought the music page would've covered those by now...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 19, 2018, 05:23:59 PM
I think Geno and Sora will make it 100% (Yes I’m saying that for Sora too.) Geno in Base roster and Sora for DLC.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Borp on September 19, 2018, 06:50:54 PM
Why?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on September 20, 2018, 04:49:44 PM
You know, I just realized that there hasn't been a single reference to Arms revealed yet. That's suspicious...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 20, 2018, 04:52:35 PM
You know, I just realized that there hasn't been a single reference to Arms revealed yet. That's suspicious...
The roster was finalized in late 2015. Arms likely hadn't even started development. I don't think we'll see any Arms content in the base game. Spring Man seems likely for DLC though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on September 20, 2018, 07:41:09 PM
It could get trophies and such in the base game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Magikrazy on September 20, 2018, 09:53:16 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316724540623421440/492401134690893824/1537432116.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 21, 2018, 09:54:26 AM
Potential character leak.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 21, 2018, 10:19:39 AM
With the stupid amount of fake image leaks these days, can't really say anything for this one. Model looks pretty good, but also pretty weird for Smash at the same time at first. Or that's how I see it.

Wouldn't be surprised if he makes it in though, he makes a lot of sense to include too.

Then again, we've seen supposed leaks for characters in action before, and those were obviously fake, so eh.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 21, 2018, 10:45:58 AM
If this is fake, it's definitely the best fake since Omni's Rayman. This is definitely an original model. If it's fake the leaker certainly did their homework.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 21, 2018, 10:51:35 AM
Potential character leak.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Who's this?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on September 21, 2018, 10:57:03 AM
Potential character leak.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Who's this?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Alex95 on September 21, 2018, 10:58:40 AM
Gotta love those blurry, out-of-focus, jpg, off-screen camera shots!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 21, 2018, 11:04:15 AM
And apparently he's fighting PacMan.

Look at the 8-bit thing that is barely seen on the right.

Idk just thought I'd mention that.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 21, 2018, 12:55:00 PM
New, full image.
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 21, 2018, 01:15:27 PM
Eh, looks photoshopped.

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on September 21, 2018, 01:24:09 PM
I think the problem is that the player 4 HUD icon has such a huge gap between it and player 3, compared to the other HUD icons.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on September 21, 2018, 01:27:36 PM
If it's real, the person obviously had access to an early build. Notice how Pichu's ears are cut off. That's not an inconsistency enough to prove it's fake really but in footage we have in the direct, Pichu's right ear is fully seen.

For another example here's Ridley's portrait with percentage in comparison from the E3 Invitational to recent Gamescon released footage

(https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/FjYOp9sBp-Gb8xFbsvPFUXwUi0FcSOBNqfJQzDlgJHY/https/smashboards.com/attachments/screenshot-1059-png.165914)

So it looks likely in the final build many characters will somewhat pop out of the rhombuses they're in. So if this picture is real, it's from an earlier build of the game albeit still with pretty much all the characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on September 21, 2018, 01:35:45 PM
I'm pretty sure the picture is fake. Ken looks like 2D artwork slapped onto the screen.

If you want someone to compare to, look at how Ryu would be rendered

(https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/3/3e/SSBUWebsiteRyu4.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 21, 2018, 01:36:32 PM
Eh, looks photoshopped.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This happens in the game normally on slanted platforms. If anything this makes it more credible.

I think the problem is that the player 4 HUD icon has such a huge gap between it and player 3, compared to the other HUD icons.
It's not, the 4 player icon is just blurred out like it does in smash 4 to show the characters on stage.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on September 21, 2018, 02:00:34 PM
I'm not sure if the shadows are supposed to be behaving this strangely but that could just be a rendering quirk.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 21, 2018, 03:12:42 PM
As long as proportions go, I think they're ok.

Still need official proof (or maybe footage) to believe this
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: YoshiSan on September 21, 2018, 03:43:52 PM
Maybe something that could back this up a little more:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on September 21, 2018, 04:57:47 PM
I think this is legitimate personally, although I consider the character in question a lock at this point regardless
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on September 21, 2018, 05:18:56 PM
That character's model honestly looks bad.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Borp on September 21, 2018, 09:01:00 PM
Believe nothing.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on September 22, 2018, 08:20:18 AM
hoping it's real.

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on September 23, 2018, 12:06:12 AM
https://www.gameinformer.com/2018/09/21/nintendo-grants-terminally-ill-fans-wish-to-play-super-smash-bros-ultimate (https://www.gameinformer.com/2018/09/21/nintendo-grants-terminally-ill-fans-wish-to-play-super-smash-bros-ultimate)

Oh wow...I didn't know Nintendo was willing to do this kind of thing.  Turns out they really do care about their fans.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on September 23, 2018, 04:39:34 PM
i'm pretty sure this is just a PR stunt but really, they made a guy with terminal cancer happy and enabled him to play smash for possibly the last time in his life so i'm willing to overlook that in favor of his enjoyment.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: winstein on September 25, 2018, 07:17:33 AM
There is one thing I would like to know:
- Any playable character met their demise in Isabelle's trailer?

Also, in the event that Waluigi is playable, who is the next most popular character that fans will rally behind? Back in Smash 4, Ridley and King K. Rool are popular requests and they are playable now, so I guess it would be Rex & Pyra?

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on September 25, 2018, 07:45:17 AM
Geno, if he's not in by that point and he's NOT the next top request I'd think something's up. If he is, idk but 99% certain it won't be one of my top requests so whatevs
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on September 25, 2018, 09:19:47 AM
There is one thing I would like to know:
- Any playable character met their demise in Isabelle's trailer?

Also, in the event that Waluigi is playable, who is the next most popular character that fans will rally behind? Back in Smash 4, Ridley and King K. Rool are popular requests and they are playable now, so I guess it would be Rex & Pyra?

Thank you for reading.

No one died in Isabelle's trailer heh. So it's not that central of a theme for a character to get "Killed" and only seemed that way because we got 2 villains plus 1 visit to Dracula's Castle for Luigi in Simon's reveal

Eh I don't know if Rex and Pyra would ever be the next popular request. If they ever get in, they're DLC in this game. But other then that they're actually kind of controversial in the general Nintendo community from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 25, 2018, 09:51:18 AM
I've seen lots of people talk about Bandana Dee, Shadow and Ken recently. And then you also have VergeBen with his Incineroar leak.

So those.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 25, 2018, 10:07:04 AM
Isaac and Geno are the big legacy requests that people have wanted since the Brawl days.

There used to be a definitive "Big 3". It was Ridley, K. Rool, and Geno. Sometimes Mewtwo would sub in for Geno. Isaac was usually the next big one after these guys. Now the two biggest requests, Ridley and K. Rool, are in, so the speculation landscape has shifted.

It's not so clear cut anymore. I'd definitely say Isaac and Geno are the biggest, as for who a potential third would be, it's hard to say. Could be Bandana Dee, Banjo, Waluigi, Ashley, etc.

I think it's better to think of it as a Big 10 going forward, but none of these aside from Geno are as rallied behind as Ridley and K. Rool were.

In no particular order after the first two:
1. Geno
2. Isaac
3. Banjo
4. Bandana Dee
5. Waluigi
6. Ashley
7. Dixie Kong
8. Krystal
9. Skull Kid
10. Shantae?

These are based on the names I see thrown around the most.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on September 25, 2018, 05:37:41 PM
Paper Mario
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on September 25, 2018, 08:36:04 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

new Pokémon ORAS song
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 25, 2018, 10:09:18 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

new Pokémon ORAS song
This... this is very good.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on September 25, 2018, 10:15:29 PM
https://www.gameinformer.com/2018/09/21/nintendo-grants-terminally-ill-fans-wish-to-play-super-smash-bros-ultimate (https://www.gameinformer.com/2018/09/21/nintendo-grants-terminally-ill-fans-wish-to-play-super-smash-bros-ultimate)

Oh wow...I didn't know Nintendo was willing to do this kind of thing.  Turns out they really do care about their fans.

The terminally ill fan has passed away

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/09/chris_taylor_the_super_smash_bros_fan_battling_cancer_has_sadly_passed_away

This is so upsetting, but it's so great he got his wish.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on September 25, 2018, 10:27:07 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

new Pokémon ORAS song

This is a good arrangement. Definitely not my first choice of music from R/S/E/OR/AS to remix, but I like it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 26, 2018, 12:20:40 PM
Sakurai talks a bit about Isabelle:
https://sourcegaming.info/2018/09/26/sakurai-discusses-isabelle-echoes-and-newcomers/ (https://sourcegaming.info/2018/09/26/sakurai-discusses-isabelle-echoes-and-newcomers/)

Also mentions that the pace at which they've been showing new characters will be slowing down. I'm really believing Ken and Incineroar are the final two.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on September 26, 2018, 12:36:00 PM
Sakurai talks a bit about Isabelle:
https://sourcegaming.info/2018/09/26/sakurai-discusses-isabelle-echoes-and-newcomers/ (https://sourcegaming.info/2018/09/26/sakurai-discusses-isabelle-echoes-and-newcomers/)

Also mentions that the pace at which they've been showing new characters will be slowing down. I'm really believing Ken and Incineroar are the final two.
Wouldn't Ken be an echo, though?  If he is, there's still chance for Geno one more character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 26, 2018, 12:55:52 PM
Why am I denied the access to this link? Does that happen to other people?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Magic_Pumpkin18 on September 26, 2018, 01:01:40 PM
I'm definitely going to have to buy a Pro Controller just for this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on September 26, 2018, 01:15:04 PM
Why am I denied the access to this link? Does that happen to other people?
It's fine for me. What happens when you click it?

EDIT: Nevermind, it's down for me too. It wasn't down when I first clicked on it, but that was some time before Koops posted.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on September 26, 2018, 01:18:02 PM
Sakurai talks a bit about Isabelle:
https://sourcegaming.info/2018/09/26/sakurai-discusses-isabelle-echoes-and-newcomers/ (https://sourcegaming.info/2018/09/26/sakurai-discusses-isabelle-echoes-and-newcomers/)

Also mentions that the pace at which they've been showing new characters will be slowing down. I'm really believing Ken and Incineroar are the final two.
Wouldn't Ken be an echo, though?  If he is, there's still chance for Geno one more character.

Echoes are still characters. They don't take as long as unique/semi-clone characters do but it's not like they can whip them up in only a week.

If Geno is playable, he will either be our final character reveal and/or he'll be among the first DLC characters. He may even be our Smash 4 Mewtwo of this game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: YoshiSan on September 26, 2018, 01:24:22 PM
Why am I denied the access to this link? Does that happen to other people?
It's fine for me. What happens when you click it?

Doesn't work for me, either. Just says the website I was trying to reach is temporarily unavailable, and I have to log in if I own the website to contact the web host.

All that to say, you're not the only one Koops.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on September 26, 2018, 01:29:17 PM
Actually, I made a mistake; it's down for me as well. See the edit to my post.

I think the site is down temporarily. It should be back up before long.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 26, 2018, 01:30:53 PM
Sakurai talks a bit about Isabelle:
https://sourcegaming.info/2018/09/26/sakurai-discusses-isabelle-echoes-and-newcomers/ (https://sourcegaming.info/2018/09/26/sakurai-discusses-isabelle-echoes-and-newcomers/)

Also mentions that the pace at which they've been showing new characters will be slowing down. I'm really believing Ken and Incineroar are the final two.
Wouldn't Ken be an echo, though?  If he is, there's still chance for Geno one more character.

Echoes are still characters. They don't take as long as unique/semi-clone characters do but it's not like they can whip them up in only a week.

If Geno is playable, he will either be our final character reveal and/or he'll be among the first DLC characters. He may even be our Smash 4 Mewtwo of this game.
Yeah, if we go by box theory, we have one more unique fighter, and an echo based on someone from Palutena to Cloud. Meaning it would be an echo of potentially Palutena, Pac-Man, Robin, Shulk, Bowser Jr, Duck Hunt, Ryu, or Cloud. Of all of these, Ken is the most likely and based on verge, Incineroar would be the unqiue newcomer.

I 100% see Geno being the first DLC character and teased at the end of the final smash direct.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 26, 2018, 01:32:40 PM
Actually, I made a mistake; it's down for me as well. See the edit to my post.

I think the site is down temporarily. It should be back up before long.

Actually just minutes after my post it started working for me.

It's really acting up it seems. You can still read it in the Nintendoeverything site if it still doesn't work tho, so head to that instead.

https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-smash-bros-ultimate-slowing-down-on-character-reveals-isabelles-inclusion-more/ (https://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-smash-bros-ultimate-slowing-down-on-character-reveals-isabelles-inclusion-more/)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on September 26, 2018, 05:26:07 PM
Sakurai talks a bit about Isabelle:
https://sourcegaming.info/2018/09/26/sakurai-discusses-isabelle-echoes-and-newcomers/ (https://sourcegaming.info/2018/09/26/sakurai-discusses-isabelle-echoes-and-newcomers/)

Also mentions that the pace at which they've been showing new characters will be slowing down. I'm really believing Ken and Incineroar are the final two.

I can't think of a more disappointing set of reveals for me, so I'm keeping my expectations in check.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 26, 2018, 05:30:03 PM
Sakurai talks a bit about Isabelle:
https://sourcegaming.info/2018/09/26/sakurai-discusses-isabelle-echoes-and-newcomers/ (https://sourcegaming.info/2018/09/26/sakurai-discusses-isabelle-echoes-and-newcomers/)

Also mentions that the pace at which they've been showing new characters will be slowing down. I'm really believing Ken and Incineroar are the final two.

I can't think of a more disappointing set of reveals for me, so I'm keeping my expectations in check.
Oh don't worry. The other heavily rumored character is minecraft Steve lol.

Man they spoiled us early with Ridley and K. Rool. I'm sure any characters who will be added will be fun, but dang they really got the big names out of the way quick.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: YoshiSan on September 26, 2018, 05:36:30 PM
What I don't understand is why Minecraft is always popping up in discussions. Did Sakurai mention something a long time ago, something I missed?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on September 26, 2018, 05:40:18 PM
Funnily enough, sakurai has talked about Minecraft before, saying he enjoys the game.

The reason it's coming up a lot recently is because vergeben, who has been a consistent leaker through all of smash ultimate's news cycle so far, has stated there is Minecraft content of some sort in the game. This could just be an assist trophy but a person verge trusts is saying Steve is in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 26, 2018, 06:58:49 PM
Funnily enough, sakurai has talked about Minecraft before, saying he enjoys the game.

The reason it's coming up a lot recently is because vergeben, who has been a consistent leaker through all of smash ultimate's news cycle so far, has stated there is Minecraft content of some sort in the game. This could just be an assist trophy but a person verge trusts is saying Steve is in.

I honestly would be interested to see Steve in Smash. I think his moveset could be cool.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Magikrazy on September 27, 2018, 03:49:56 AM
they wouldnt have already blown their whole load, they couldnt have

and i can only think of one character more requested, more hype, more awesome than ridley and k rool combined

i think its time boys

were getting goku
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 27, 2018, 11:31:59 AM
I mean, if we get another last Smash direct, they may announce something like 2-3 unique fighters there?

'T would make sense.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 27, 2018, 11:34:27 PM
So um... double post, yeah...

But today's blog update focuses on my boy Lucario, so you know I was the one that had to say it.

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/blog/index.html?category=cat02_fighter_41 (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/blog/index.html?category=cat02_fighter_41)

Sadly still no info on Final Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Koopaul on September 28, 2018, 03:35:10 AM
Also mentions that the pace at which they've been showing new characters will be slowing down. I'm really believing Ken and Incineroar are the final two.
Well the most reliable leaker, Vergeben, has stated that there is also a Square Enix character as well. I think those three will be our last.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 28, 2018, 05:07:01 AM
Not counting echoes I believe we’ll get 4 unique newcomers left.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on September 28, 2018, 09:02:59 AM
Not counting echoes I believe we’ll get 4 unique newcomers left.

4? Nah. Sakurai said they're cutting down on newcomers. 2 at least, and that's counting echoes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 28, 2018, 09:20:11 AM
Incineroar and Ken are both locks at this point, mainly because Verge, but they also really make a lot of sense to include. That screenshot leak hasn't been debunked yet either, so I'd go as far as to say that Ken is even more likely than Incineroar at this point. Other than that, Vergeben also said there would be a new Square Enix character, so that makes Geno a big candidate, especially since Square seems to be giving us all these FF games, so they might be open to give Sakurai some new things. Although for all we know, who said Black Mage couldn't be that new character? Jokes aside... what if?

As for the supposed Minecraft representation, we may get Steve, and as dumb as it may sound, Minecraft is just a very popular game whether you like it or not. It appearing in Smash in some way doesn't sound like anything out of the big blue. Although I'm more leaning towards Assist Trophy or just a regular trophy. Or stage, but this I doubt a bit.

And taking all that in consideration... Is there still hope for Bandana Dee? Well yes, of course. Because I said so. Also since he was created before Sakurai left HAL, so he no doubt knows about the guy a lot more than a lot of people. Second, one may compare Kirby's situation to Metroid. Metroid had Samus in 64, and then got a new rep in Brawl, and now has two more in Ultimate. Kirby had Kirby in 64, both Meta Knight and Dedede in Brawl, so it would be nice if now they got a fourth (aka Bandana Dee) to parallel Metroid. Just makes sense to me at least.

I actually believe we might get 4 more newcomers, because we just got 9 in a span of 3 months, so 4 in two months doesn't sound odd even if they're slowing down a bit.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on September 28, 2018, 08:13:11 PM
I guess this means I’ll have to wait for DLC to have Banjo Kazooie.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on September 28, 2018, 08:31:32 PM
Also since he was created before Sakurai left HAL, so he no doubt knows about the guy a lot more than a lot of people.
That's a bit misleading. Sakurai left in 2003. The last Kirby game he worked on was Kirby Air Ride.
Bandana Waddle Dee's design existed for Megaton Punch in Kirby Super Star, but he wasn't an actual character until Super Star Ultra's Revenge of the King Mode in 2008, 5 years later.
Bandana Waddle Dee as a character exists mostly due to the work of current Kirby director, Shinya Kumazaki.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on September 28, 2018, 10:44:40 PM
oOpS...

Oh well... should've just said that he was created when Sakurai was still in HAL.

My point still stands that he has a shot tho.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on October 02, 2018, 05:36:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DofvF_9W0AE4R9_?format=jpg)

Smash download card from Japan. Whether or not this proves the Ken and *insert not echo here* speculation (the empty spaces next to Isabelle and Ryu) is unknown, but it's looking likely.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on October 02, 2018, 05:42:37 PM
Last night, I had a dream that Aloy wasn't playable, but cameoed as a trophy, and there was a Horizon Zero Dawn stage.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on October 02, 2018, 10:08:33 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html)

Tomodachi Life for this week's music.

I already like this one more than Smash 4's.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on October 04, 2018, 12:28:41 AM
If Spirits is Story Mode, I want the Final Boss to be Lucas from that piece of *bleep* The Wizard! He is revealed to be the mastermind behind the aspect of spirit collecting, and his main weapon is what else? The Power Glove and he uses the glove to transform him into an ultimate beast!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Borp on October 04, 2018, 06:54:10 PM
Keep dreamin', bud.  :yoshi:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on October 04, 2018, 09:02:54 PM
If Spirits is Story Mode, I want the Final Boss to be Lucas from that piece of *bleep* The Wizard! He is revealed to be the mastermind behind the aspect of spirit collecting, and his main weapon is what else? The Power Glove and he uses the glove to transform him into an ultimate beast!

...the heck?
No. Just...no.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on October 04, 2018, 09:31:28 PM
Besides,everyone knows the Power Glove will be Master Hand's new form during the final battle where he gets the ability to use Final Smashes.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 05, 2018, 08:46:47 AM
So according to the blog, Mimikyu doesn't always instant K.-O.

Makes sense.

Besides,everyone knows the Power Glove will be Master Hand's new form during the final battle where he gets the ability to use Final Smashes.

Master Hand using a Smash Ball while turning into an accessory from the same times as when ROB was one himself and let him have a big role like in Brawl just because of that fact?

Makes too much sense.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on October 09, 2018, 08:56:32 PM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html)

Id (Purpose ) s here. Should be noted that this is our second Fire Emblem track
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 09, 2018, 10:50:05 PM
Music theory btfo. Good for Skull Kid, Geno, and Bandana Dee.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on October 09, 2018, 10:50:54 PM
Another Fire Emblem track instead of a different series and it's one of the songs that's already in Smash Bros (and I think that version sounds better from what I've heard of this new track).

Resounding meh from me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on October 10, 2018, 01:05:10 AM
I like the arrangement but I'm pretty sure we already knew it existed so it would have been nice to see something new. However, I'm totally fine with the music theory's unceremonious death
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Alex95 on October 10, 2018, 01:15:58 AM
Only knew it existed because it was used in Lucina's character trailer, iirc. Still a cool song, though, Id (Purpose) is one of the best tracks in FE:Awakening.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 10, 2018, 09:52:19 AM
Only knew it existed because it was used in Lucina's character trailer, iirc. Still a cool song, though, Id (Purpose) is one of the best tracks in FE:Awakening.
It was actually used in robin's character trailer. But I remember it more for Chrom's reveal trailer in the direct.

My friend is a massive Fire Emblem fan and Chrom is one of his all time favorite characters. That moment in the August direct where it shows Castle Seige and then Chrom abruptly lands while the triumphant Id Purpose plays nearly brought him to tears. Even as a non-FE fan I was incredibly hyped for that reveal.

Off topic, the Dark Samus reveal momentarily after that was also incredible. The slow fade out of Id Purpose, leading into that ominous version of Brinstar Depths, culminating in Dark Samus stepping out of that void was awesome.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Alex95 on October 10, 2018, 12:26:41 PM
I was really hoping for Chrom and Dark Samus's appearance in Smash. I do feel like their potential is somewhat limited by being Echoes (but the same can really be said for just about any clone), but I'm really happy they made it in all the same.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on October 10, 2018, 01:30:43 PM
I was really hoping for Chrom and Dark Samus's appearance in Smash. I do feel like their potential is somewhat limited by being Echoes (but the same can really be said for just about any clone), but I'm really happy they made it in all the same.

With those 2 and Daisy, seems like you've been unlucky with the echo bat hitting them.

They're still playable. But there's still a bit of a stigma on echoes. Like couldn't get in any other way.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on October 10, 2018, 01:37:56 PM
At least I don't have to get used to a new moveset once I start using Daisy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on October 10, 2018, 03:09:17 PM
https://play.nintendo.com/news-tips/comics/kirby-and-rainbow-curse-presents-saved-rainbow/ (https://play.nintendo.com/news-tips/comics/kirby-and-rainbow-curse-presents-saved-rainbow/)

Quote
You cannot use Elline in Smash Bros.

Just from reading this comic, I suddenly want Elline in Smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 10, 2018, 11:40:20 PM
So...

You know how before a fighter is announced, the "New" tag suddenly disappears from the Fighter section in the website?

Well because it just did. Are we getting a new character next week?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 10, 2018, 11:57:38 PM
So...

You know how before a fighter is announced, the "New" tag suddenly disappears from the Fighter section in the website?

Well because it just did. Are we getting a new character next week?
It's been like that for a couple days. The fighter video playlist on YouTube also updated. Both things happened shortly before previous character announcements. We'll see how things play out.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on October 11, 2018, 01:49:04 AM
Here's hoping for Reckless Wii Man!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on October 11, 2018, 07:44:32 AM
The blog's showing off Zero's assist trophy.  I know I should just be happy that he's in the game to begin with and I am.

But it's just so close.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 11, 2018, 12:24:26 PM
About that, we still don't know if third party series are allowed to have more than one unique fighter.

So on the bright side, if Zero was playable taking such things in consideration, they might have made him an echo, which granted, doesn't work obviously, but at the same time, I think you get what I'm saying.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on October 11, 2018, 12:49:28 PM
About that, we still don't know if third party series are allowed to have more than one unique fighter.

So on the bright side, if Zero was playable taking such things in consideration, they might have made him an echo, which granted, doesn't work obviously, but at the same time, I think you get what I'm saying.

At this point though, it'd practically goalpost moving compared to what we've seen before.

Remember when there could only be one 3rd party per company? Then Ryu happened
Remember when the character had to have a significant presence on Nintendo consoles? Then Cloud happened
Remember when the character had to be a legendary icon of gaming? Then Bayonetta happened (Though you could argue this was a special case)
Remember when there could only be one character in general per 3rd party franchise? Then Richter happened

I doubt it happens base game at least, but it's still very much in the realm of possibility a 3rd party franchise gets another character that isn't an echo. Tails and Chun-Li come to mind first. Though I think Tails will be the first if it happens.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 11, 2018, 01:17:08 PM
Quote
Remember when there could only be one character in general per 3rd party franchise? Then Richter happened

Then again, Richter is an echo, so he shares his number with Simon, so we still don't know how many unique reps a third party series can have.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on October 11, 2018, 01:34:56 PM
Quote
Remember when there could only be one character in general per 3rd party franchise? Then Richter happened

Then again, Richter is an echo, so he shares his number with Simon, so we still don't know how many unique reps a third party series can have.

That's why I said in general. When Echo fighters were announced, people weren't sure if 3rd parties were even going to get that. Then Richter showed they can.

"Individual 3rd party franchises can't get more then one character" to "They can, but they can only be echoes" is goalpost moving. That was my point. They probably still had to negoigate for the rights for Richter when adding him. Regardless if he's an echo.

Again, I don't think it's likely until DLC. But at this point, it's far from impossible that at some point this game breaks the "echoes only" barrier for individual 3rd party franchises too
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 11, 2018, 10:45:40 PM
Good point here...

But look at this.

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/blog/index.html?category=cat02_fighter_50 (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/blog/index.html?category=cat02_fighter_50)

Today's blog post focuses on Greninja, and apparently... it says he turns into Ash-Greninja for his Final Smash, and I don't think he did that in Smash 4, probably due to working off of concept art...

Now I'm interested.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on October 11, 2018, 11:34:13 PM
Good point here...

But look at this.

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/blog/index.html?category=cat02_fighter_50 (https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/blog/index.html?category=cat02_fighter_50)

Today's blog post focuses on Greninja, and apparently... it says he turns into Ash-Greninja for his Final Smash, and I don't think he did that in Smash 4, probably due to working off of concept art...

Now I'm interested.
In Smash Wii U and Smash 3DS, Greninja's final smash is Secret Ninja Attack.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 11, 2018, 11:36:16 PM
Well yeah.

Did he turn into Ash-Greninja while doing it?

I don't think so.

Unless his Final Smash is just Secret Ninja Attack as Ash-Greninja, he's getting a new final smash.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on October 11, 2018, 11:43:32 PM
Well yeah.

Did he turn into Ash-Greninja while doing it?

I don't think so.

Unless his Final Smash is just Secret Ninja Attack as Ash-Greninja, he's getting a new final smash.
No, he did not.  You know what this means...chances are it's a new Final Smash!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 12, 2018, 12:08:05 AM
This was one of the most obvious and expected changes for me. I wonder if it's just the old final smash as Ash-Greninja, or if he may have that big kienzan-like water shuriken from the anime.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 12, 2018, 07:34:13 AM
Which also means they actually MIGHT reference the anime...

Ok now I want Lucario's Final Smash to be something to do with the tree of beginning.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 12, 2018, 07:36:40 AM
Smash has always referenced the anime. All the Pokémon have their anime voices and Jigglypuff and Mewtwo in particular are based on their anime counterparts. Same with Lucario being able to speak.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 12, 2018, 08:29:14 AM
Oh yeah... maybe I just meant that regarding movesets, it always seemed like they were referencing the games...

I can still hope though.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on October 14, 2018, 09:07:34 AM
I just realized that the next Smash probably won't have every character again.

That's....not something I'll look forward to...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on October 14, 2018, 09:23:16 AM
I'm thinking that the next Smash would be the "back to the basics with new elements", with 8 characters.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 14, 2018, 09:37:36 AM
I'm thinking more of the kind of game they would've went for if Smash Ultimate wasn't "Everyone is here!"

Tbh it would be fun to speculate about who would make it as part of the roster there.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Rin Nelek on October 14, 2018, 11:11:17 AM
I'm thinking more of the kind of game they would've went for if Smash Ultimate wasn't "Everyone is here!"

Tbh it would be fun to speculate about who would make it as part of the roster there.

I'd prefer the roster to have distinctive characters who played significant roles in their original games. Paula from EarthBound would be a great candidate, even if Ness had to be given new special moves (on that matter, it's criminal that Paula is merely reduced to a brief appearance for Ness's Final Smash). Perhaps, if the next Super Smash Bros. game didn't pander to competitive players, Paula and some potential newcomers would finally get the respect and due they deserve, but it just won't happen. :(
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 14, 2018, 11:18:19 AM
That's probably because if you get Paula in, you'd probably have to go through a lot of other games to look for characters that have played an equally important role in their games. And there's just too much of those that some wouldn't make sense.

It's like saying if Paper Mario makes it, Koops will have to be included. I'd say Paula and any other character who appear in Final Smashes are in their rightful place.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Roserade on October 14, 2018, 11:38:06 AM
I've already discussed this before in a couple of places, but I agree with the vision of the few other people that we'll end up with a Thanos-snapped roster, with some refined or new gameplay mechanics, for a potentially new director for the series. A lot of people have been saying to literally cut the number in half, but that would still be over thirty characters so I can't really see that. Maybe somewhere in size between Melee and Brawl's roster? 

That being said, I think this supposed series reboot is going to be far into the future if it happens. They aren't just going to want to toss away a game this huge all that quickly. I'd take a gander and say that after DLC is done for this game, we're going to be sitting around for a long while before somebody takes up the reins.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 14, 2018, 11:40:04 AM
Perhaps, if the next Super Smash Bros. game didn't pander to competitive players, Paula and some potential newcomers would finally get the respect and due they deserve, but it just won't happen. :(
What does that have to do with anything? Anything that's "pandering" to competitive players (and I wouldn't use that term at all), would be mechanics stuff like the directional air dodge, faster gameplay, and the punishing for rolling too much. And these changes are good for everyone, not just competitive players.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 14, 2018, 12:19:17 PM
Yeah tbh, I don't feel like I wanna be a competitive player, yet what this game is doing seems like it's really wanting to please me as much as possible.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on October 14, 2018, 01:26:10 PM
I'm thinking more of the kind of game they would've went for if Smash Ultimate wasn't "Everyone is here!"

Tbh it would be fun to speculate about who would make it as part of the roster there.

I'd prefer the roster to have distinctive characters who played significant roles in their original games. Paula from EarthBound would be a great candidate, even if Ness had to be given new special moves (on that matter, it's criminal that Paula is merely reduced to a brief appearance for Ness's Final Smash). Perhaps, if the next Super Smash Bros. game didn't pander to competitive players, Paula and some potential newcomers would finally get the respect and due they deserve, but it just won't happen. :(
Yeah those goddang competitive players and there classic hatred of Paula how dare they screw such a worthy character.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Rin Nelek on October 14, 2018, 02:53:19 PM
I'm thinking more of the kind of game they would've went for if Smash Ultimate wasn't "Everyone is here!"

Tbh it would be fun to speculate about who would make it as part of the roster there.

I'd prefer the roster to have distinctive characters who played significant roles in their original games. Paula from EarthBound would be a great candidate, even if Ness had to be given new special moves (on that matter, it's criminal that Paula is merely reduced to a brief appearance for Ness's Final Smash). Perhaps, if the next Super Smash Bros. game didn't pander to competitive players, Paula and some potential newcomers would finally get the respect and due they deserve, but it just won't happen. :(
Yeah those goddang competitive players and there classic hatred of Paula how dare they screw such a worthy character.

:o Anyway, since I heard that adding Lucas to the roster was apparently a mistake on Masahiro Sakurai's part, Paula should've joined the roster from Super Smash Bros. Brawl onwards. Lucas, meanwhile, would be demoted to an Assist Trophy, where he could cast PK Love, dealing heavy damage to nearby opponents. Oh, well. There's always next time, I guess, so don't give your hopes up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on October 14, 2018, 03:01:18 PM
I'm thinking more of the kind of game they would've went for if Smash Ultimate wasn't "Everyone is here!"

Tbh it would be fun to speculate about who would make it as part of the roster there.

I'd prefer the roster to have distinctive characters who played significant roles in their original games. Paula from EarthBound would be a great candidate, even if Ness had to be given new special moves (on that matter, it's criminal that Paula is merely reduced to a brief appearance for Ness's Final Smash). Perhaps, if the next Super Smash Bros. game didn't pander to competitive players, Paula and some potential newcomers would finally get the respect and due they deserve, but it just won't happen. :(
Yeah those goddang competitive players and there classic hatred of Paula how dare they screw such a worthy character.

:o Anyway, since I heard that adding Lucas to the roster was apparently a mistake on Masahiro Sakurai's part, Paula should've joined the roster from Super Smash Bros. Brawl onwards. Lucas, meanwhile, would be demoted to an Assist Trophy, where he could cast PK Love, dealing heavy damage to nearby opponents. Oh, well. There's always next time, I guess, so don't give your hopes up.
It wasn't. Closest to that was Sakurai thinking of replacing Ness with Lucas in the Melee roster, but dropped those plans when Earthbound 64 got scrapped. Lucas got in Brawl due to Mother 3's release.
And I doubt adding a supporting character from Earthbound is worth cutting the protagonist of a different game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on October 14, 2018, 03:22:44 PM
What does that have to do with anything? Anything that's "pandering" to competitive players (and I wouldn't use that term at all), would be mechanics stuff like the directional air dodge, faster gameplay, and the punishing for rolling too much. And these changes are good for everyone, not just competitive players.
I think the takeaway is that if the developers weren't spending so much resources tweaking the game mechanics and promoting whatever competitiveness it has, they'd have the resources to make characters and all. I mean, I know there's a lot of things you can dispute about it, as I do, but yeah, don't want to misunderstand or resort to snide remarks on a potential misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 14, 2018, 03:41:31 PM
What does that have to do with anything? Anything that's "pandering" to competitive players (and I wouldn't use that term at all), would be mechanics stuff like the directional air dodge, faster gameplay, and the punishing for rolling too much. And these changes are good for everyone, not just competitive players.
I think the takeaway is that if the developers weren't spending so much resources tweaking the game mechanics and promoting whatever competitiveness it has, they'd have the resources to make characters and all. I mean, I know there's a lot of things you can dispute about it, as I do, but yeah, don't want to misunderstand or resort to snide remarks on a potential misunderstanding.
Sorry if I came off as snarky, I was just wondering how a more casual focus would suddenly mean Paula would be in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on October 14, 2018, 04:14:20 PM
I don't think you were being snarky. Seems more like genuine questions.

And I don't know how a "casual" focus would be either. I think we should be focused on good game mechanics as well as trying out new ideas. I don't think those changes are necessarily competitive either. Stale dodging is good for both casual and competitive; neither like roll spam. Directional air dodging is a new thing that I think both parties can also enjoy. Faster gameplay, mmm, not sure, never tried the game yet. But anyhow, my point stands. And even if the developers are allocating resources for tweaking game mechanics, it doesn't necessarily mean those resources being used automatically can translate to a new character, who also needs its own tweaking and all. Also, game balance and the game ART are the responsibilities of two different teams. I'm not sure how budget works, but people who make the model, texture it, rig it, animate it, are a different group of people from the ones that input hitboxes, gravity, hurt boxes, animation speeds, frame canceling, that other stuff.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on October 15, 2018, 05:20:10 PM
I'm thinking more of the kind of game they would've went for if Smash Ultimate wasn't "Everyone is here!"

Tbh it would be fun to speculate about who would make it as part of the roster there.

I'd prefer the roster to have distinctive characters who played significant roles in their original games. Paula from EarthBound would be a great candidate, even if Ness had to be given new special moves (on that matter, it's criminal that Paula is merely reduced to a brief appearance for Ness's Final Smash). Perhaps, if the next Super Smash Bros. game didn't pander to competitive players, Paula and some potential newcomers would finally get the respect and due they deserve, but it just won't happen. :(
Do you mean that they won't add Paula because they would have to change Ness's moveset which would upset competitive players? I'm not sure if I agree with that, but I'd like to know if that's what you meant.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on October 16, 2018, 09:07:37 PM
New song is Flash Man's stage from Mega Man 2.



The remix is good, but it's another song from a series with music on the site already. Makes me worried some series are just going to get shafted and get jack *bleep* in terms of new tracks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Alex95 on October 16, 2018, 09:31:04 PM
Not every series was represented on Smash 4's music site, iirc

Not sure on Brawl Dojo
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: JC on October 16, 2018, 09:53:11 PM
Managed to listen to it before YouTube went down for me, lol

Wouldn't expect anything less from Keiichi Okabe (Nier: Automata's composer).

Hopefully they're saving the ones from series that haven't appeared yet until the game releases. Can't wait for Magicant Ver. 2, Corneria Ver. 2, Underworld Ver. 2 etc.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 16, 2018, 11:22:47 PM
So about all that, Sakurai said they pretty much let the composers pick whatever songs they want to remix. He even mentioned there was on composer in particular who remixed a ton of Fire Emblem music because he liked it so much. So blame the composers for simply not wanting to remix Star Fox music for example.

On the topic of music though, with Nintendo's permission, the menu theme has been released.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Roserade on October 17, 2018, 12:26:19 AM
That menu theme just cured me of all ailment and disease
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on October 17, 2018, 12:29:59 AM
It's rad. Some of the instruments remind me of the alternate menu music from Melee.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on October 17, 2018, 02:00:29 AM
That music is just epic.  We need this in Sma--oh wait, it's already in Smash...
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on October 17, 2018, 02:30:40 AM
I feel like I am a better person after listening to this music
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on October 17, 2018, 06:10:07 AM
This is a masterpiece. It beginning feels very welcomed for players, and the rest is too perfect for the character select screen.

Sad that he only uploaded the "short loop" version (which Nintendo didn't allow him to upload the "full loop"), because there is a triumphant key-change before looping back. That would spoil the surprise to everyone when they hear it in a clean version.

This is the other video that is a "full loop", but recorded at the demo station.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Roserade on October 17, 2018, 10:44:55 AM
I legitimately don't think I'm exaggerting when I saw that this is probably the best menu theme I've ever heard
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on October 17, 2018, 11:14:30 AM
menu theme has a nice bass
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 17, 2018, 12:12:31 PM
Music team: *drops mike*
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on October 17, 2018, 12:53:44 PM
Brawl's is still better
this is great tho
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 20, 2018, 02:15:47 AM
So um... related to the blog post theory.

I just noticed that in any fighter page on the website whose fighter has already had a blog post, you can see that it's written right under the screenshots "Articles on this fighter".

(https://i.imgur.com/dlPc6ar.jpg)

What's so surprising, you ask? Well, take into consideration the fact that they used the plural. They said Articles, not Article. Which means potentially that some fighters may get more than one blog post, maybe to reveal some new info on them. But the point is, that would mean that the blog post theory might actually be false just because of this.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 21, 2018, 09:27:21 PM
Tonight's blog update says Luigi uses his poltergust for his throws now, which is cool. More things to distance him from Mario and further represent his canon appearances.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on October 22, 2018, 10:06:21 AM
Tonight's blog update says Luigi uses his poltergust for his throws now, which is cool. More things to distance him from Mario and further represent his canon appearances.

YES! Weegee is number 1! Never mind, Yoshi is number 1!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 22, 2018, 01:49:39 PM
I wonder if his grab is new too, or if it's just an aesthetic thing with his poltergust only being in the throw animation. Cause if it's his grab and it's like Pac-Man, that's actually a pretty big nerf given his excellent grab game from SSB4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on October 22, 2018, 02:08:44 PM
Wellllll even if it's like Pac-Man's shoddy grab, he still has his far superior throws. What are Pac-Man's throws even good for?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 22, 2018, 02:15:31 PM
Honestly I know so little about Pac-Man in the competitive environment that I can't say.

One other thing to note, Luigi apparently has his Luigi's Mansion 3 poltergust. That's likely why we hadn't seen anything on it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 22, 2018, 02:25:53 PM
That same poltergust was used in Simon's trailer though, keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on October 22, 2018, 03:33:36 PM
Honestly I know so little about Pac-Man in the competitive environment that I can't say.
Funny, I seem to know that Pac-Man has a nonexistent grab and throw game. at least from what I've read from SmashWiki. Unlike Luigi, none of his throws have any utility. Luigi's most useless throw is his forward throw (honestly Mario and Luigi should just have a buffed forward throw), I'd imagine Pac-Man's throw game is like having ALL of his throws be like Luigi's forward throw.

Anyhow, I like the change. The more and more Luigi is changed, the better. Now... Luigi's down special... should be something else too.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on October 22, 2018, 03:38:19 PM
While I don't play any of my Mains in any sort of competitive form, I can say that PAC-MAN's throws have some utility, just nowhere near enough to make has grab worth using 99% of the time.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on October 22, 2018, 05:58:49 PM
Luigi should have either a taunt or victory pose with his Polterpup.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on October 23, 2018, 01:19:52 PM
That plank one or flailing one has got to go.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on October 23, 2018, 05:58:11 PM
¿Por qué no los dos?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on October 24, 2018, 12:03:19 AM
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/sound/index.html

here's Lost Painting from Symphony of the Night

you did not see me accidentally put this in the wrong thread  :mario:
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on October 24, 2018, 02:15:04 AM
you did not see me accidentally put this in the wrong thread  :mario:
You're right. I didn't see it. But now I want to.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 24, 2018, 09:04:49 AM
Heads up, we may have a roster leak on our hands. Seems too good to be true but there's evidence going for it.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 24, 2018, 10:17:01 AM
Those image leaks have to stop.

It's too much.

But I welcome these additions if they're true.

...

WAIT STILL NO BANDANA DEE?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on October 24, 2018, 10:34:31 AM
Some people from Smashboards noticed an oddity: the shadows

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on October 24, 2018, 12:25:31 PM
Why do both real and fake images look like they are filmed/photographed with a potato?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on October 24, 2018, 01:09:24 PM
Potatoes are really good at Photoshop where I live.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: YoshiGo99 on October 24, 2018, 01:37:17 PM
Grinch confirmed for Smash Ultimate
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on October 24, 2018, 01:42:34 PM
Why do both real and fake images look like they are filmed/photographed with a potato?

this, can these types of people like not take quality photos with their phone? it's like they're constantly shaking to get one of those.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on October 24, 2018, 01:58:36 PM
I guesses it promotes ambiguity. Blurred photographs can hide flaws. But again, the real leakers for Smash 4, before that one came out, had much better photographs of Smash 3DS UI showing the leaked characters. People noticed quirks and "inconsistencies" (like Mr. Game & Watch's hand seemingly reaching into Wario's space; Wario's space looking like a screencap from Brawl) but most of it were attributed to pixel leaking from phone cameras.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: YoshiGo99 on October 24, 2018, 02:38:22 PM
Also, people were saying these were screenshoted from a snapchat video and Snapchat's camera does lower the quality than using the regular phone camera.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 24, 2018, 02:38:36 PM
The image of the banner is a zoomed in screen shot from a Snapchat video. That's the justification for it looking so bad.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on October 24, 2018, 02:45:53 PM
I'm trying not to believe this leak (like every other leak in existence) but I can't help thinking that it's real.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on October 24, 2018, 02:53:48 PM
I'm trying not to believe this leak (like every other leak in existence) but I can't help thinking that it's real.
Same with me.  Kinda like the Star Allies Dream Friend leaks.  I don't want to believe them, but it's hard to believe they're fake.

I just need to stop looking at leaks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Gamefreak75 on October 24, 2018, 03:43:53 PM
my reaction to those leaked characters:

(https://i.imgur.com/LEDk7xr.gif)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on October 24, 2018, 04:37:08 PM
Only time will tell.(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/f/fb/Stop_Watch_TTYD.png)
It's best not to get worked up over it. Getting prematurely hyped for something that might not happen is what led the internet to start hating Waluigi fans.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on October 24, 2018, 04:39:20 PM
I hope it ain't real.

But that's just because I've never heard of any of these characters. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on October 24, 2018, 04:40:56 PM
Well, they're popular. You'll get to know them eventually.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on October 24, 2018, 04:47:55 PM
Wellll

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

But anyhow, I hope people who are older than you are fair because you deserve to know, you didn't ask to be born way past after the fact. I mean, I don't even know all the names of the Spice Girls. That's to be expected for younger people or people who are just a little later to the video game scene.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on October 24, 2018, 06:43:46 PM
gonna play the *bleep* out of mach rider if this is true
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on October 24, 2018, 07:22:41 PM
Whether it's real or not it'll be fun to watch the aftermath once something proves or disproves it.

I'd be happy with those additions. I didn't really have anyone in particular that I wanted in to begin with though so any additions were welcome.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on October 24, 2018, 07:37:52 PM
The one last character I truly wanted in Smash was not there...sad.

But hey, at least there's DLC!

Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on October 24, 2018, 10:40:03 PM
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on October 24, 2018, 11:04:41 PM
I have a hunch about this leak. The same way Duck Hunt (still taste that victory) and Shulk were leaked for Smash 4.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: winstein on October 24, 2018, 11:08:58 PM
I usually have a policy of avoiding spoilers when I am going to get the game, so I have no problem look at the roster for any potential characters that are interesting (and would probably change my mind). Unfortunately, the leaked characters aren't going to change my mind. The originals are mildly interesting for certain, but not a deal-maker.

I find it interesting that Smash 4's approach to new playables is to have original fighters, since all but 2 new playables have something original to bring including the DLC characters. Now with this game, however, and this approach is more about bringing highly-requested characters, since most new characters are highly-requested in one form or another, and the return of old playables are proof enough of that (they tend to get top billing as requested characters, after all).

Thank you for reading.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on October 24, 2018, 11:25:39 PM
I think I may buy Ultimate a little while down the line, but from what I can foresee, Smash Wii U is enough for me.  I'd still want to buy this game, but it's not a priority.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on October 25, 2018, 12:22:56 AM
Look at these suckers
not buying ultimate
shameful.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on October 25, 2018, 12:37:16 AM
I skipped Smash Wii U because the 3DS version gave me enough time to let me know that buying it again wasn't worth it.

I also didn't bother with the DLC so I think I'll be getting this one just because its been long enough, content that isn't necessarily 'new' like the U stages and DLC will be new for me and the changes they've made to some mechanics seem to be a step in the right direction.

Also I want to play as Pichu again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on October 25, 2018, 01:22:46 AM
it'll be fun to watch the aftermath once something proves or disproves it
Yes, then the internet can start hating fans of another character.

Meanwhile, I am building a fallout shelter. Stocked with an ungodly number of Reese's products.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on October 25, 2018, 01:33:48 AM
Oh my God. You should see some of the Smash related groups on Facebook just trashing Geno fans. It’s *bleep*ing crazy.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on October 25, 2018, 02:23:43 AM
it'll be fun to watch the aftermath once something proves or disproves it
Yes, then the internet can start hating fans of another character.

Meanwhile, I am building a fallout shelter. Stocked with an ungodly number of Reese's products.
76 to be exact
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on October 25, 2018, 02:55:13 AM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Northern Verve on October 25, 2018, 03:01:44 PM
I think right now it's just smart to look at this as a court case.

Those who believe it's real are defense lawyers

Those who believe it's fake or at the very least are skeptical are the prosecutors

Neither has an open and shut case at the very moment, they're both just trying to find out the truth. We can only wait until the Judge with the verdict comes down. And that will likely be on Nintendo and the coming Smash direct. Rumored to be 2 weeks from now.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on October 25, 2018, 10:30:43 PM
It is Smash related when I say ETIKA’S YOUTUBE CHANNEL IS GONE!”
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on October 26, 2018, 10:07:51 AM
Nintendo posted the Wendy's College Tailgate Tour tweet, featuring new direct footage of Rainbow Cruise, Mute City SNES, and non-E3 demo characters.
https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1055519359622410241

Also, mystery new item:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqYt47LXcAYAXym.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 26, 2018, 10:37:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/zdmvXtj.png)

Looks like growth psynergy from Golden SUn
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on October 26, 2018, 12:58:21 PM
Clearly that's a Floro Sprout in a bubble
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on October 26, 2018, 03:38:16 PM
Clearly that's a Floro Sprout in a bubble

(https://www.mariowiki.com/images/9/9a/SecondMrLSPM.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on October 26, 2018, 05:06:55 PM
Luigi is dead my friends.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on October 28, 2018, 07:45:40 PM
I think at this point I would be extremely shocked if this leak was fake with how much has piled up in favour of it.

I believe in a dumbass breaking NDA more than I believe in the existence of the 500+ iq super genius that created an ace attorney plot level backstory just to *bleep* with people for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 29, 2018, 12:04:32 AM
Yeah, I was 50/50 on it but now I'm like 80% sure it's real.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 29, 2018, 12:06:40 AM
If it is true, then I'm ok with that. I don't have Bandana Dee, but I was already given Isabelle, so ha!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on October 29, 2018, 02:07:45 AM
The lack of Bandana Waddle Dee in the leak was pretty disappointing.  But give me an Assist Trophy Select feature so I can beat up Nightmare as Star Rod Kirby whenever I want, and I'm perfectly fine without him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 29, 2018, 02:21:15 AM
Nightmare hasn't even been confirmed yet though.

In his place, we got Chef Kawasaki as another Kirby assist trophy.

Does that mean Nightmare is a boss now?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on October 29, 2018, 10:54:51 AM
Nightmare hasn't even been confirmed yet though.

In his place, we got Chef Kawasaki as another Kirby assist trophy.

Does that mean Nightmare is a boss now?
Wait...what did you say?  Nightmare's not in yet?  I was hoping that they were returning every Assist Trophy from the series (except those bumped up to playable), but maybe not.  It would be great if he became a boss, but I'm not gonna get my hopes up.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on October 29, 2018, 03:57:33 PM
I'm really late in commenting on this, but the fact that one of the key elements of this leak was related to promotional material for The Grinch of all things may very well make this the most entertaining leak ever, and if it is a hoax (not very likely at this point, but still) then the guy who did it is a mastermind.
Also, everyone talks about Simon, Mega Man and Pit reuniting from Captain N, but few people seem to remember that Alucard was on that show for an episode.
http://textsfromcastlevania.tumblr.com/post/151763269622/it-has-come-to-my-attention-that-some-people-have
Let me just give a warning that it may be too intense. This is not the Alucard you know.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on October 30, 2018, 10:10:22 AM
FINAL SMASH DIRECT ANNOUNCED

NOVEMBER 1ST, 10:00AM EST

40 MIN

BRING ME GRINCH
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on October 30, 2018, 10:31:04 AM
BRING ME SPIRITS MODE!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Weasel on October 30, 2018, 10:40:26 AM
*bleep* I'LL BE AT WORK

BRING ME MACH RIDER
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on October 30, 2018, 11:10:14 AM
GOOD! I CAN STAY UP LATE AT NIGHT! (I'm at AWST)

BRING ME other modes
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Roserade on October 30, 2018, 11:12:25 AM
#TeamReal get hyped
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Fawful Claus on October 30, 2018, 12:04:08 PM
I trust my classmates. Some of them like Smash but I trust them to not spoil this for me. Let's go Geno!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on October 30, 2018, 12:08:55 PM
YES! I'M ON FALL VACATION, AND THIS HAPPENS ON THURSDAY, AND... I WILL BE ABLE TO WATCH THIS LIVE!

YES! I WON'T GET SPOILED ON ANYTHING!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on October 30, 2018, 12:14:42 PM
I'm ready for the Grinch himself to be confirmed playable
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: supermariofan on October 30, 2018, 04:09:03 PM
40 minutes?! Yeah that’s telling me the Grinch leak might be real.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas Crow on October 30, 2018, 04:35:21 PM
(Drunkenly cries to self while continuously wishing for Bren McGuire)

In other words though, I hope Spirits is a better story mode than Brawl (if it is a story mode anyways)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on October 30, 2018, 04:40:00 PM
I hope Spirits is at least an Adventure Mode with Brawl-Style levels, but Melee's style of actually using game locations, along with not being marred by a generic realistic artstyle.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Waterfall of Flab on October 30, 2018, 07:18:57 PM
I'm miffed that it's at ten ET, but it doesn't matter really. I just don't wanna be spoiled!

I can watch it at lunch though, so not too long after.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Czario on October 30, 2018, 11:51:03 PM
I'll have to leave the house 30 minutes through it... maybe I can watch the last ten minutes on the way (don't worry, I wouldn't be the one driving if I did that).

I noticed that they said it was the final Smash direct before the game's release. Perhaps this could mean post-release directs for DLC like Smash 4 had.

I'm kind of expecting the leak to be real at this point, but we'll just have to see. I'm ready to see what's in store.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on October 31, 2018, 12:00:37 AM
I'm ready for the Grinch himself to be confirmed playable
(https://i.imgur.com/0EOjejP.png)
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on October 31, 2018, 08:14:45 PM
Personally, I hope if Geno is there, I hope he gets some voice acting, it's not like he was all quiet in the original game.

Same for Mach Rider
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on October 31, 2018, 10:36:15 PM
So, in preparation for tomorrows Smash Direct, I'd like to make an important PSA so we don't have a repeat of what happened in June, hm?
Remember to keep your fan communities in check! Don't let the bad apples ruin the thing both they and you like.
If you see any unacceptable behavior coming from your end of a fandom, please sternly yet respectfully shut that down immediately.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mario's Drunken Holiday Special on October 31, 2018, 11:56:54 PM
Stuff like that is bound to happen. Best you can do is stay out of the drama if you can if you're not part of the community to begin with.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on November 01, 2018, 01:23:47 AM
That's why I'm asking people who ARE in the communities that act up to take action. I have reason to believe that it will be more effective coming from one of their own, because they will not be labeled as a "hater" of whatever character or community they're in.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on November 01, 2018, 01:34:02 AM
i for one encourage the grinch fandom to riot if we somehow dont get our man
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on November 01, 2018, 01:35:15 AM
i for one encourage the grinch fandom to riot if we somehow dont get our man
Finally somebody talking sense.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on November 01, 2018, 01:50:26 AM
After the direct...

"WHAT?  The Grinch isn't in Smash?  He would be the perfect representative of what Smash has no reason to represent!  I'm so mad at Nintendo right now.  How could they do this to me?  This game stinks!"
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on November 01, 2018, 09:55:54 AM
Here it comes, bois.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snoadgamer on November 01, 2018, 10:44:39 AM
I just saw the direct.

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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Smasher Claus on November 01, 2018, 10:44:56 AM
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on November 01, 2018, 10:46:26 AM
playable....piranha plant.......
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Miki Hoshii on November 01, 2018, 10:49:45 AM
You're a mean one, piranha plant
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on November 01, 2018, 10:53:31 AM
That was one hell of a direct. I loved it!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Luigi's Drunken Holiday Special on November 01, 2018, 11:16:23 AM
I don't mean to be so negative, but that was pretty awful. Ken as an Echo is cool, I don't think anyone wanted Incineroar, and they spent way too long going on about pointless stuff like Brightness Settings. Pirahana Plants move set is pretty cool, and I appreciate that he's free for a bit, but there wasn't really a significant character reveal. Spirits mode looks kinda fun though. I'm still all aboard the hype train for this game, but jesus, that Direct was really lost on me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on November 01, 2018, 11:32:06 AM
FEED ME SAKURAI

FEED ME ALL NIGHT LONG
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ZelenPixel on November 01, 2018, 11:35:20 AM
im 100% maining piranha plant and NO ONE will stop me
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on November 01, 2018, 11:41:34 AM
Piranha Plant might just be my favorite Mario Smash character.

This is our meme character guys. We had Wii Fit in Smash 4, now this.

Anyway, DLC was confirmed as well! 5 packs, which means 5 non-echo characters!

I'm betting those will be Banjo-Kazooie, Bandana Dee and Geno being three of those, and I'm hoping we also get Paper Mario.

Also Lucario and Yoshi's Final Smashes have been revealed!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pheromosa on November 01, 2018, 11:43:09 AM
I've heard that the Piranha Plant's final smash will involve Petey Piranha
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on November 01, 2018, 11:44:43 AM
I liked how you could change languages. I will play the game in German as I'm fluent in the language.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Isabelle on November 01, 2018, 11:49:22 AM
I've heard that the Piranha Plant's final smash will involve Petey Piranha

Yeah, that's true. Petey Piranha will be stomping around the stage.

Carrying the cages like in Sibspace Emissary!
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Luigi's Drunken Holiday Special on November 01, 2018, 12:05:32 PM
im 100% maining piranha plant and NO ONE will stop me

Me too, we should be a dynamic duo and tag team people to death in co-op
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Starkuss on November 01, 2018, 12:27:51 PM
Anyway, DLC was confirmed as well! 5 packs, which means 5 non-echo characters!

I'm betting those will be Banjo-Kazooie, Bandana Dee and Geno being three of those

Geno was deconfirmed (https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1883/04c1e250-a403-40ca-ba88-b69b7187d7d0/image.png) as a Spirit.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Captain America on November 01, 2018, 01:03:12 PM
Anyway, DLC was confirmed as well! 5 packs, which means 5 non-echo characters!

I'm betting those will be Banjo-Kazooie, Bandana Dee and Geno being three of those

Geno was deconfirmed (https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1883/04c1e250-a403-40ca-ba88-b69b7187d7d0/image.png) as a Spirit.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
Much like trophies didn't deconfirm DLC fighters in Smash 4, I don't think spirits will deconfirm characters.

Anyway, this direct was kind of meh. Incineroar at least looks fun. Piranha Plant is so *bleep*ing weird I'm still trying to process it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Glowsquid on November 01, 2018, 01:07:24 PM
I think the game looks great! Pirhana Plant is amazing and while incineroar the pokey man looks boring, his moveset look super fun!

Imo they were smart in how they focused their ressources: skimp on the stuff only angry geeks internet like and angry geeks on thre internet would've complained aobut anyway and focus on the stuff that makes the games worthwhile.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on November 01, 2018, 01:20:53 PM
The main theme got me chills.


And here's the Japanese version.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Jack Black on November 01, 2018, 01:28:05 PM
I'm not a fan of lyrical songs, and I definitely prefer the E3 version of the song to the new one.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Honoka's #5 Fan on November 01, 2018, 01:29:41 PM
I always forget how many terrible opinions this forum has
Piranha plant is best character by the way.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Lucinavidad on November 01, 2018, 01:30:00 PM
i cant decide if i like this or Brawl's more now help
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on November 01, 2018, 01:34:34 PM
I can't believe Sakurai not only killed off everyone on the roster, but quite literally everyone (except Kirby because, of course).
Also I thought Negan would be the hardest to top in terms of fighting game characters that come out of left field so hard that they come from the right, but Piranha Plant probably just came straight out of the sky.
Also also, Lifelight is amazing.
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on November 01, 2018, 02:01:15 PM
Wait, the Direct happened? I literally just woke up. What the heck, Nintendo, Directs have always been later in the day than this in my experience....
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Hisoka Marow on November 01, 2018, 02:20:54 PM
for those who think a character's deconfirmed just because they're a spirit, remember: lucas was a trophy before becoming playable in smash 4, so there's a still a chance

not giving up hope for my main man revolver ocelot
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Pinkgu on November 01, 2018, 02:30:24 PM
I believe I saw Bowser's Paper form as one of the spirits, unless they're counting them separately, i don't think a spirit is going to make their chances go away.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Рождественский Малыш Луиджи on November 01, 2018, 02:35:14 PM
I am so using Piranha Plant
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: infinite8 on November 01, 2018, 02:56:46 PM
Going to main King K. Rool.

But Piranha Plant will be my new main, when the DLC is released.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Santa Yoshi on November 01, 2018, 03:19:13 PM
Just wondering...any way to use Piranha Plant if you buy the game later on?

I'll still be maining Yoshi and Kirby but I'm interested in Piranha Plant.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Mcmadness on November 01, 2018, 03:29:37 PM
you'll probably have to buy him.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Snow J on November 01, 2018, 03:37:53 PM
Okay, so we have Ken. But where's Barbie? :posh:

I think we all want to main Piranha Plant, let's be real.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Meta Knight on November 01, 2018, 03:50:21 PM
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Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Doc von Schmeltwick on November 01, 2018, 03:51:56 PM
I was just amazed that Mouser, Stanley, Shake King, Shadow Peach, and freakin' Cannoli were among the spirits....so have the done away with trophies completely, I wonder?

....what if they left out trophies just so they'll have a way to top themselves in the next Smash game by bringing them back?
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: ThatGuy62 on November 01, 2018, 03:57:18 PM
I was just amazed that Mouser, Stanley, Shake King, Shadow Peach, and freakin' Cannoli were the spirits....so have the done away with trophies completely, I wonder?
Trophies are gone, Sakurai confirmed in the direct.
And if you think those are obscure, Princess Shokoro (Remember her?) can be seen on a screenshot on the site.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: YoshiEgg1990 on November 01, 2018, 04:18:12 PM
(https://www.smashbros.com/assets_v2/img/howtoplay/img_spirits-sec02__row02-slides_item06.png)
Man, i really didn't expected to see a character from a dead series.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Christmas White Lightning on November 01, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
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I hope that you can unlock them by tapping an Amiibo. I don't know if that will happen. Hopefully if the Amiibos don't unlock them, the spirits way could be the way of unlocking them. I don't like how they have only 8 starters when you first boot up the game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Post by: Meta Knight on November 01, 2018, 04:28:31 PM
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I hope that you can unlock them by tapping an Amiibo. I don't know if that will happen. Hopefully if the Amiibos don't unlock them, the spirits way could be the way of unlocking them. I don't like how they have only 8 starters when you first boot up the game.

Well yeah I think somewhere it said amiibo can unlock characters. I was mainly speculating a way to unlock characters, but everyone will probably have multiple conditions.